September 8th, 2011
10:00 AM ET

Ancient fossils question human family tree

At a family reunion of the direct evolutionary predecessors of our species, there would be a lot of arguing over whether Australopithecus sediba gets in the door.

Australopithecus sediba is the name of an ancient species discovered in South Africa in 2008. Researchers now have substantial evidence, published in this week's edition of the journal Science, that Australopithecus sediba could be a direct ancestor of the Homo genus, of which humans are a part (we are Homo sapiens). If that's true, it means our family tree may have to be redrawn, with Australopithecus sediba at the stem of the Homo line.

But that's just one possibility, and a controversial one at that.

Researchers studied two partial skeletons, a young male named Karabo and an adult female who has not yet been named, which were found in the remains of a collapsed cave. "Australopithecus" means "southern ape," and "sediba" is "natural spring" or "fountain" in the Sotho language. The team announced the discovery of the previously unknown species in 2010.

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Scientists have several theories about what these skeletons might mean for human evolution.

The earliest undisputed Homo genus member is Homo erectus, which researchers estimate to be about 200,000 years younger than Australopithecus sediba, so Homo erectus could theoretically be the direct evolutionary descendant. Alternatively, Australopithecus sediba could be the direct ancestor of Homo habilis, considered to be a toolmaker because its hand bones were found next to stone tools, or of Homo rudolfensis, a contemporary of Homo habilis of disputed evolutionary origin. Australopithecus sediba could be related to both of them, and perhaps their current labels are inaccurate. Or, of course, it could be a dead end, although researchers say the skeletons' human-like features suggest otherwise.

Species as experiments in evolution

It makes sense that there seem to have been many variations in anatomical form evolving around 2 million years ago, said Lee Berger, paleoanthropologist at the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa, who led the discovery of the fossils.

"As you’re beginning to have the stresses and stressors of environmental change and the things going on in Africa around 2 million years (ago), you would think that many experiments would emerge, Sediba just being one of those," he said.

There can be only one species that gave rise to Homo erectus, which is our direct ancestor, however. To demonstrate stronger evidence, Berger said, archaeologists would have to find fossils that come before and after Australopithecus sediba in the evolutionary lineage.

Based on the variety of Australopithecus forms that have been found, Ian Tattersall, paleoanthropologist and curator at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, who wasn't involved in the study, said he believes Australopithecus sediba probably did not give rise to Homo. Instead, it represents the context in which our true ancestor, in whatever form it was, did arise: during a time when there were many different forms of upright creatures. About 2.6 million years ago there was a huge change in the African fauna, with more grasslands arising; these kinds of environmental factors probably shaped the evolution of different species.

"In some population, some genetic novelty became established which basically set the patent for the genus Homo in a short period of time," Tattersall said. "What we’re not going to see, I think, is the gradual modification over millions of years of an Australopith into Homo."

Exploring the skeletons

Based on the two skeletons studied so far, Australopithecus sediba represents a curious, unique combination of human-like and primitive features.

For instance, consider the brain: Australopithecus sediba's skull shows a cranial capacity of 420 cubic centimeters, whereas a chimpanzee's is about 380 cubic centimeters. Homo erectus is about 200,000 years younger than Australopithecus sediba, and its cranial capacity would be a whopping 900 cubic centimeters. If Australopithecus sediba is the direct evolutionary ancestor of Homo erectus, it suggests a more rapid expansion of brain size over the course of evolutionary history than previously believed. Also, the overall shape of the brain appears to resemble a human's more than a chimp's.

Then there's the matter of feet. Australopithecus sediba has a mostly human-like ankle joint, but the heel bone is mostly ape-like. That's surprising because the species of Lucy, the famous 3-million-year-old skeleton classified as Australopithecus afarensis, has a more advanced heel than Australopithecus sediba. If Berger's skeletons descend evolutionarily from Lucy's species, that would mean that heel anatomy would have evolved from advanced to primitive to advanced again - which is unlikely. Alternatively, Lucy's species may be more of a cousin to Australopithecus sediba, and to our genus, on the evolutionary tree, rather than an immediate relative.

"If that's the case, then there may very well be a ghost lineage," Berger said. In other words, there are probably more fossils out there to explain where these species came from.

At the same time, Australopithecus sediba's pelvis is the most human-like of any found in the Australopithecus genus, Berger said. While females of Lucy's species have wide, stable platforms with a birth outlet, the human pelvis is more bowl-like and curves around the body, and Australopithecus sediba's pelvis is closer to that.

Researchers have good evidence from the hands and feet that Australopithecus sediba was spending a decent amount of time climbing in trees. And the hands, which have grasping capabilities, are more advanced than those of Homo habilis, suggesting it, too, was an early tool-user.

"Sediba and the other early bipedal apes were creatures of relatively small stature that retained a lot of climbing features, particularly in their upper body skeleton, so they spent a lot of time in the trees even though, when they came to the ground, they walked on two legs," Tattersall said.

What led to the deaths of these possible proto-humans that Berger's team studied? They appear to have fallen, perhaps while looking for water, Berger said. But further investigation will reveal more precise details.

From the other evidence that hasn't yet been unearthed or examined, Berger promised his team will also likely discover the dietary habits of Australopithecus sediba and whether they were hairy. Researchers may already have found evidence of soft tissue. And they've got more skeletons to explore from the same area.

"What makes this really exciting is that this is opening this whole question of where the genus Homo came from to re-examination. What they have is a wonderful sample of individuals, of a kind that we don’t really expect to find in the human fossil record. Just one complete skeleton is rare, let alone a whole bunch of individuals," Tattersall said.

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  1. angel

    It's just a weather balloon.

    September 8, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
    • Judas Priest

      Win!

      September 9, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
  2. Atheist

    I've been to actual hell . Read this –> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna . This is right outside of Jerusulam. Gehenna is cited in the New Testament. In early Christian writing it represents the final place where the wicked will be punished or destroyed after the Resurrection of the Dead. In the synoptic gospels Jesus uses the word Gehenna 11 times to describe the opposite to life in the Kingdom (Mark 9:43-48) It is a place where both soul and body could be destroyed (Matthew 10:28) in "unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43).

    Gehenna is also mentioned in the Epistle of James 3:6, where it is said to set the tongue on fire, and the tongue in turn sets on fire the entire "course" or "wheel" of life.

    The complete list of references is as follows:

    Matt.5:22 whoever calls someone "you fool" will be liable to Gehenna.
    Matt.5:29 better to lose one of your members than that your whole body go into Gehenna.
    Matt.5:30 better to lose one of your members than that your whole body go into Gehenna.
    Matt.10:28 rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.
    Matt.18:9 better to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into Gehenna.
    Matt.23:15 Pharisees make a convert twice as much a child of Gehenna as themselves.
    Matt.23:33 to Pharisees: you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to Gehenna?
    Mark 9:43 better to enter life with one hand than with two hands to go to Gehenna.
    Mark 9:45 better to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna.
    Mark 9:47 better to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into Gehenna
    Luke 12:5 Fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into Gehenna
    James 3:6 the tongue is set on fire by Gehenna.

    So your "Hell" as the way you see it doesn't exist. It was an actual place here on earth to destroy the sick, etc. In fact there are accounts of mothers saying to their kids, "kids behave or you will go to hell". Funny how all these years later people just want to believe what they want. Nobody actually reads the bible and performs critical thinking about it. Nobody studies religion and history and finds out information about the true past.

    September 8, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • Paul

      Starwood Hotels should perform a valuation of Gehenna for a new Four Seasons Tent Resort. It did wonders for them in the Golden Triangle...

      September 8, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
      • Paul

        ...only because I'd love to justly send people to hell as a recommendation.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
    • Atheist

      haha, yea, should go on a vacation to hell and come back with a nice tan and a picture of me eating ice cream. Who knows, it could be quite nice during the fall and winter months.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:10 pm |
    • literate

      No sorry. Gehenna is an Arabic/Aramaic word for Hell. It is the place where God is not. It was not described as an actual place or location on earth. So, sorry again. You Fail.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:31 pm |
      • Atheist

        No sorry. Gehenna is an Arabic/Aramaic word for Hell. It is the place where God is not. It was not described as an actual place or location on earth. So, sorry again. You Fail.

        Apparently you can't read. Gehenna is a GREEK word which translates to Valley of the son of Hinnom. (literally). It is an actual place on earth you moron, in fact here is a nice little picture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Valley_of_Hinom_PA180093.JPG

        I think someone should draw it in crayon for you though so your simple mind can process it. So once again, YOU fail!!

        September 8, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
      • Sparky101

        Sorry Atheist, you fail: "English "Gehenna" represents the Greek Geenna (γέεννα) found in the New Testament, a phonetic transcription of Aramaic Gēhannā (ܓܗܢܐ),[citation needed] equivalent to the Hebrew Ge Hinnom, literally "Valley of Hinnom"." Wiki.

        September 10, 2011 at 11:16 pm |
    • Bill

      Anyone who uses quotes from the bible as a source of reference for historical fact is a complete idiot.

      September 8, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
      • Atheist

        haha, I know right. It's like saying, "The bible is true because the bible says it's true." Um, what is circular reasoning again?

        September 8, 2011 at 11:16 pm |
    • paxman

      Still no reasonable explanation from any of you non-believers as to what has been going on in Medjugorje for 30 years now. In this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSbN0T6rAIc&feature=fvsr, Mirjana says as children they were arrested by the then communist police, they were put in an insane asylum and told they would live there for the rest of their lives, then they were brought to a mortuary and were left in a room with dead people and told they would have to live there for the rest of their lives. The threatened teenagers, the youngest one 10 years old never backed down from the 'story' they were telling – and still are 30 years later.

      Starting in June of 1981 6 kids, ages 10 to 15 dropping to their knees at the same time, focusing on the same spot (even though they have side –blinders on), bright flashing lights and hot skin probes not showing up on their EEGs, all raising their heads simultaneously when she leaves. Being arrested by the communist police and threatened with jail and torture and refusing to change their testimony. And now 30 years later, still going to church daily, praying many hours every day, all sticking to their ‘story’ while raising families. Six pathological liars? I guess the proof will be if they die without the signs happening that they say will happen in their lifetimes. Search vimeo for Mirjana or Medjugorje. Look how young Jakov is in the 1984 vimeo video 10286499, how they all raise their eyes at the same time. Someone said there's no sound (which is true) so maybe there was an audible signal so the children would synchronize their looking up. Well, there's a crowd of hundreds of people all around them, don't you think they would have heard the signal. They've done this in front of crowds of hundreds of people hundreds of times. Search u-tube videos of Mirjana. Please reply with your explanation. She says in one of her videos that Our Blessed Mother doesn't refer to atheist as non-believers but as ‘those who do not yet know the love of God’, so at least there’s hope in the way she puts it, sounds like you'll eventually come around. But she also says you'll regret waiting until the great sign, don't let your hearts become too hardened. Keep an open mind and look into it. Also, how do you explain similarities and out of body experiences in people who have had NDEs? I almost drowned as a teenager and I know what I experienced wasn't just my brain failing from lack of oxygen. I’ll keep praying for you.
      Pax.

      September 9, 2011 at 8:21 am |
      • Judas Priest

        Simple. Physiology.
        By the way, did you know you can generate a religious experience by either a) administering LSD, or b) stimulating the brain with electrodes?
        That being the case, why do you blindly accept any religious experience as authentic?

        September 9, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
      • paxman

        Yes Judas, but can you explain how these 6 "kids" have been doing that simultaneously for 30+ years, and they were arrested and tested for drug use. Now they are in their mid-40's, have families, live fairly normal lives except for their daily or monthly visions. 6 pathological liars? Or in your opinion, 6 drug addicts? You can refuse to see the truth, but sooner or later you will have to face it. I'll keep praying for you. Pax.

        September 9, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
      • Judas Priest

        Epilepsy.
        I do hate to say it,fraud is also a possibility.
        Thanks for your kind prayers, but they're upsetting my hellhounds.

        September 13, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • Jessica

      What's FUNNY is that "atheist" spend MORE time talking about MY RELIGION than I do! IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE AND YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT CHOICE AND YOUR ETERNITY, THEN FINE! STOP talking about it then, and go GET A HOBBY! But you won't will you?... you'll keep trying to bring people into your damnation too won't you? Kind of weird that you would do that if you felt good about your decision. hmmm yeah THAT is funny.

      September 9, 2011 at 9:11 am |
      • magnus

        you're an idiot

        September 9, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
      • satanbug

        hey if you want to believe a lot of silly nonsense written by goat herders..more power to you...not really...it is time for human race to grow up and stop tying their hopes to a lot of hogwash written by people who didn't know why the sun came up in the AM...grow up...Santa isn't real becuase he couldn't possible visit all those houses in one night...it is really simple logic...you know that dragons and leprechans don't exist right? because you are an adult, no? Well apply the same logic

        September 10, 2011 at 10:36 am |
  3. Whatever

    Yawn.

    I am much more interested in those conehead skull from Peru. Sometime during 2012, genetic testing will be posted to see whether they are entirely different species or not. Keep it in mind that those skulls are very recent... We already found a skull that is 900 years old and was genetically tested and ran against BLASTing data. Turns out to be an entirely different species.... Google Starchild skull. It is legit because they covered all bases not to be considered an hoax. Impressive stuff.

    September 8, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • Judas Priest

      DNA tests on "starchild" skull prove it to be 100% human. Additionally, the skull deformations are perfectly consistent with severe cases of hydrocephaly. I can also show you hundreds of "conehead" skulls which are 100% human; it's called skull-binding, it was a common practice in Mesoamerica and is a common practice in Tibet and Mongolia to this day.

      September 9, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
      • Jon

        It was a common RELIGIOUS practice.

        September 10, 2011 at 9:56 am |
  4. Leewa

    Hey Fanatics of evolution,

    many of your comments show that fanatics exist among religious and evolutionists too.
    this artical is a good reading, and shows that fanatics like you should admit that the hole picture is not there yet,and it is different to what researchers believed until now.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:58 pm |
    • Judas Priest

      Fanatics are fanatics.
      "Different from what we thought" in this case is not "we're wrong and nothing ever evolved", it's "hmm, the line of descent may be different than we thouht before". This happens in science, and in no way disproves evolution. It's much the same as analyzing the linguistics of the bible and discovering the meaning of some words are slightly different– it does not invalidate the entire text.
      Claro?

      September 9, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
      • Leewa

        I did not say, the evolution is rejected here!
        With this discovey, there are changes and less certitude about the real picture of evolution..

        September 9, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
  5. Paul

    Basically, it's all nonsense both ways – both science and religion. Both require faith, either that more of unknown can be discovered/explained or that it will somehow lead to salvation. We're all seeking answers to things which seem profound to us now but quite silly in retrospect, years from now. Those science brains posting anti religion here have tiny, under developed brains in some sense when compared to those who have the 'capacity' to dream. It's not that you are less human, it's just that you lack capacity. Those religious here who fail to understand how innately ridiculous their faith sounds and cannot accept repudiation have little, under developed areas of their brain as well. I'm agnostic to you both, science and religion, you will never meet. You will always fail to answer all of my questions in the end. In that knowledge, there is true faith. We must continue within the limits of our capacity and seek to expand into that which we innately do not naturally accept as true. Only then can we understand that Hobbits walked among us and somehow achieve some sense of humor the tedious work we do – because no one clearly gives a damn about your English, if the words make no sense. 😛

    September 8, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • ItsComing

      I'm sure people would have ridiculed you only 300 years ago if you would have told them that they will be able to have active two-way conversations with people on the other side of the world using their fingers. Everything is possible. Humans have only scratched the surface.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • Faye

      Homo floresiencis? :p Of course it walked among us. Or, at least, those of us who lived in Indonesia for a while.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Bill

      Paul, you obviously were asleep during your science classes. Go get any grammar school text and look up the words observation, inference, hypothesis, theory and so on. Then you can be involved in some more intelligent conversations to show that science is not a faith.

      September 8, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
      • Paul

        What can I say? As expected, you really don't have a sense of humor about all of this, do you? You're intelligence is overwhelming; your kung-fu, better than mine. The question, dear child, is a philosophical one where by making an inference of science as faith, I'm reducing the mixture of these comments here to mere animism (queue reader; takes out dictionary; looks up word, animism). There is no real science in these posts or in your post and there is hardly anything you're capable of convincing me or anybody of without faith. There is always faith, whether in science or in religion – that is a fact. You know no more than what you think you know. It's not because you're smart but because you have faith in order of things. You seem smart to me but I know you also have faith. That knowledge doesn't make me superior to you. I am just more capable of dreaming and making my dreams a reality. This is probably why I am rich and why you are crazy. 😛 How sure are you that I can't buy a first class ticket to your home town and punch you in the face? In my mind, it's already done – it sure was fun. 🙂 There's nothing you can be sure of without faith. I hope you read my books in school, son.

        September 9, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • Lee

      Science has pretty much answered most of the evolutionary questions of human evolution. You just have to be smart enough to understand it which you are obviously not.

      September 9, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
  6. Adam

    Sad to see people attempt to deny God by pointing to the multitude of opinions on the matter.

    Imagine dismissing the presence of global warming simply on the premise that there were a lot of different opinions on the subject. That would obviously do nothing to argue against global warming's existence.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • Adam

      It is truly staggering how terrible people's arguments are against God's existence. They are mostly embarrassingly misplaced.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:59 pm |
    • Observer

      "It is truly staggering how terrible people's arguments are against God's existence"

      Believers have a book full of morals, but also talking serpents, unicorns, errors, contradictions, nonsense, and hypocrisy.
      Nonbelievers have physics, biology, astronomy, math, geology, botany, etc.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
      • Larry

        I believe those are mostly theories.
        Larry

        September 8, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        @ Larry,

        Are you using the commonplace definition of "theory"? You know, easily interchanged with the word guess? Well that is you problem. You are approaching this from the wrong angle.

        Say you and I are having a conversation about gophers... if I was talking about a burrowing rodent with fur-lined pouches on the outside of the cheeks, found in North and Central America, and you were talking about a tortoise of dry sandy regions that excavates tunnels as shelter from the sun, native to the southern US... we'd never agree on anything.

        So, from now on, in THIS forum, the word "theory" is reserved for explanations of phenomena which meet basic requirements about the kinds of empirical observations made, the methods of classification used, and the consistency of the theory in its application among members of the class to which it pertains. If anyone wants to infer the word "guess" use "guess". Scientists talk about theories, others talk about guesses.

        September 10, 2011 at 12:14 am |
  7. ItsComing

    Think for a second... How would a person who was born at the time of the Bible (or even before) describe a modern television? Or a car? Or the space shuttle? Or something as simple as an LED flashlight? A laser pen? A gun? A flamethrower? Let's imagine for a second that the moon was life sustaining just like earth, and those same people actually lived there in their same era, when Neil Armstrong landed and took that "one giant leap for mankind" from the lunar shuttle. Is it possible that he would have been perceived as a God who descended from the heavens? After figuring out their language, and teaching them some things they didn't know, and telling them to all get along, he leaves. Do you think they would have wanted to document this visit from "God"? And perhaps worship him until the day of his return? In this instance, is Neil Armstrong really a God? Or is he just a being of higher intelligence from another world?

    September 8, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • Whatever

      I used to think that Bible was full of BS but over time as I gain knowledge in some things. I am beginning to think Bible may be more of "history" book but with wrong interpretations of what may have happened 6000 years ago. As I dug around for more information, it lead me to Sumerian civilization in what is now Iraq. They appeared out of nowhere 6000 years ago. I thought that was strange so I kept digging around. Seems that everything we use or do came from Sumerian. Other holy books beside Bible showed similar stories as well. They all led to Sumerians. Sumerians were very advanced. Extensive writing. it's pretty fascinating.

      Now I think Bible was written to explain what happened to humanity when we rebuilt the world after biblical flooding which may have caused by the end of Ice Age. That's probably why some people thought Earth was created 6000 years ago. They just got the interpretation wrong...

      September 8, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
      • Jessica

        I have the same thinking.

        September 9, 2011 at 9:14 am |
  8. Truth

    What year is it again?? If I'm not mistaken it's 2011. I'm just curious as to why atheists use the Christian calendar. Also I'm pretty sure today is Thursday. Again everyone goes by this but where did the name come from?? Ohh yeah,, where did all the names of animals come from? Oh yeah I forgot once again that the atheists use the names given to the animals by the Bible.

    Hmm let's see what the great scientists come up with this one. What does physics state again? You want to put your faith in the "Big Bang". It's a religion not science. Here's the proof:

    Religion requires FAITH.

    If you want to subscribe to the religion that the Big Bang created the universe then where did the mass come from that blew up? Do you begin to understand that no scientist or anyone else will even begin to answer that most basic of question? It's because there is no answer. To answer that question with "well the matter came from..." would require the illogical statement that the mass created itself. Which is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. No scientist is stupid enough to state that. But they put their FAITH in exactly that without ever physically saying it.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • Observer

      "Also I'm pretty sure today is Thursday."

      Yep. It's Thursday. Any research at all would have told you it was named after the god THOR, who you probably don't believe in, making you an atheist when it comes to Thor.

      Oops.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
      • Truth

        Oops, where did the matter come from again??

        Haha,, it's so funny that the people that hate religion the most subscribe to a religion that is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • Observer

      "where did the matter come from again??"

      The hypocrisy of many believers:

      (1) Nonbelievers are wrong because for something to exist, something must have created it.
      (2) God exists
      (3) Nothing created God

      September 8, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
      • Truth

        You're a fool by definition.

        Humans that believe in God believe that he is Omniscient. Not only that but that all things are possible with God. In direct contrast to humans where you obviously prove you're not only not omniscient but that you can not make the impossible possible. Instead of believing that a supernatural being greater than you created everything you along with others believe that NOTHING created EVERYTHING all by itself.

        Which is easily disproved because after all,, mass can not create itself. At least not by humans.

        One thing is for certain. One day you will prostrate yourself before God. It will matter little that at one point in time you didn't believe. You will beg on your knees not to be punished forever. You will think back to this conversation and you will have to answer that indeed you were told, yet you cast God aside. Then the words "Depart for I never knew you" will be spoken. And the words won't come out of your mouth.

        There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        @ Truth,

        I guess I am more powerful than your God... for I can do one thing that he is incapable of... I can forgive unconditionally... your God will only forgive on condition of bag licking his ego before such forgiveness be granted. I can even forgive your arrogance at believing in your fairy tale to be the "truth"... even though I can point out many inaccuracies, contradictions, and outright lies in the first two books of Genesis ALONE. No, there is only one fool on this thread... and that's the TRUTH.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
      • Kyle

        Truth,

        FYI, hell was a Greek mythology fabrication. The name for hell in Greek mythology is also used in the bible. The word is Tartarus. It is SPECIFIC to Greek mythology, yet this is used by the bible.

        There is no such thing as hell. You are tragically misinformed and painfully uneducated.

        September 8, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
      • Kyle

        Here you go "truth."

        http://www.2001translation.com/Hell.htm

        September 8, 2011 at 11:23 pm |
      • Faithistheevidenceofthingshopedfor

        @ Truth... Love ya bro! Keep the faith; it will be worth it all one day! @ Kyle.. Where do you think the Greeks got the idea of hell? Just MAYBE... from the Bible. The first Bible to be compiled in modern times, the KJV, refers to Hell as just that. Later versions inserted terminology like "hades" instead, in an effort to make the text easier to understand. If you have any questions let me know.

        September 13, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • Björn

      And would you be so kind as to tell us how the notion of god solves this dilemma?

      God was created out of nothing first, and then god started big bang? Or has god "always" existed, and waited for the right "time" to start create? Putting down some dinosaurs in the ground as a practical joke or to test us?

      Personally, I think that god is a creation of man. The awareness of our ridiciously short lifetime on this tiny planet in the enormous universe creates a need for meaning, a purpose, anything but nothingness when we die. But you know, nobody gets to see the whole game, the last inning, the last period. We all leave permanently, when we thought we were just buying hotdogs. From stardust we came and to stardust we return.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Observer

      Truth,

      You can always tell when someone is defenseless in a discussion, they resort to name-calling.
      Here's today's lesson on HYPOCRISY:

      – Matthew 5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court;
      and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever
      says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery Hell."

      Oops again.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
      • Atheist

        Aww, you beat me to the punch. So easy to win in any debate against believers. http://godisimaginary.com/

        September 8, 2011 at 6:31 pm |
    • Atheist

      All of the animals were named from the bible.... LOL are you kidding me. And how many pages of the bible have you read? Also the days of the week??? Are you kidding me. Those were named after SAXON gods. So unless you believe in Thor then you are wrong. You probably think its laughable there is a god named Thor that exist but why laugh? You dismiss that gods and all others but your story of christianity is just as laughable. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. [OWNED]

      September 8, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • Jessica

      WELL SAID!

      September 9, 2011 at 9:15 am |
    • Justin

      The real fact is that you are afraid (or it has just never occurred to you) of the idea that you don't actually have to believe in anything. If you don't actually know the answer to our origin, why not just live a life of curiosity, keep an open mind and accept that there are some questions that simply haven't been answered yet? Why be a douche when you don't REALLY (I mean, REALLY) know any more about life than anyone else. It seems as though we are getting closer and closer all the time, but the true answers will be weirder yet more believable than a bunch of stuff you simply take on faith.

      Before you start in, I actually do believe in a "god" but it has nothing to do with anything that requires doctrine to explain and is completely compatible with an ordered, scientific universe. What if god is less a singular supernatural intelligence and more an "intelligent" and malleable energy that exists in all things at a subatomic level? Quantum physics sort of suggests this very thing when you take into account that particle that actually changes its properties based on whether or not it is observed by us. I think there is something in that that explains why prayer/meditation/yoga/thinking in long hot showers/focused DMT trips/etc etc seems to work.

      Or...OR, consider the rate that we are evolving the internet, creating a universe in our own image. One day we will almost certainly hit a point of Singularity when we create a sentient machine. If we release that entity into the net, then that environment becomes its universe. At that point, are WE gods? Not even close.

      In short, if you had more imagination, the things you yell about would be a lot more fun to read and make you seem more credible. Enjoy your day.

      September 9, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • Lee

      Please tell me you did not go to college. If you did then your college failed. I love how people who have no background in science seem to act like they know what they are talking about and attack it. You my friend have been brainwashed.

      September 9, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • Jon

      People use the Chrstian calendar because it was put into their heads when they were very young and very susceptable to brainwashing – the same reason you believe in the god of Abraham. They also use it because it's a common frame of reference, even when one uses CE instead of AD. What's your excuse for continuing to believe that a god who had existed forever and ever suddenly felt lonely and decided to create something to keep him company?

      September 10, 2011 at 10:13 am |
  9. shinden58

    For all of you who don't believe in science and evolution, If you have ever been sick and took medicine to get healthy you were using medicine that was formulated by science. Funny how you will embrace science when it suits your needs. Next time you get sick pray to your imaginary friend in the sky and see if you get better. If you don't get better you have just proved that you were wrong.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • Whatever

      You'd be surprised how little those educated people really know...

      For an example – vitamin D as a powerful natural antibiotic that can easily replace synthetic ones. Medical doctors had no idea about that. Doctors have no idea that we have a widespread vitamin D deficiency which is responsible for a lot of chronic health problems...

      Same for cholesterol and saturated fat consumption causing heart disease. Turned out to be entirely wrong yet most medical doctors don't know that.

      It's impossible to know everything so don't act like you know more than others in everything. You're likely to be very ignorant in some things that you don't even realize...

      September 8, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
      • Paul

        I just checked Bloomberg and can see you have a long position on Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM)... come on, come clean.. what are we talking here? 1,000 shares...10,000?

        September 8, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Jessica

      GOD CREATED THE MAN WHO CREATED THAT MEDICINE! GOD CREATED THAT SCIENTIST WHO SPENDS HIS LIFE DIGGING IN DIRT AND GUESSING. EVERYTHING GOES BACK TO THE SAME CREATOR.

      September 9, 2011 at 9:17 am |
      • Justin

        You don't even realize that you're not a smart person. Of course, if you actually knew you that you were not a very clear thinking person, you wouldn't spout out all your illogical nonsense in the presence of people who are really just laughing at you.

        PS: The content of your posts is one thing, but it's 2011 and if you aren't savvy enough to realize that typing in all caps makes you look like an angry psycho then I have to wonder from which Virigina coal-mining meth haven you are posting.

        September 9, 2011 at 10:32 am |
      • Jean-Sartre

        Sorry about that Jessica... MAN created GOD... PERIOD!

        September 9, 2011 at 9:55 pm |
  10. Religon is for the old, life is for the young

    It’s all good. Religion is a dying institution. Everyone two generations above me is obscenely religious, yet my generation consists of about 5 percent religious fundamentalist and about 15 percent who believe you inherit religion beliefs from your parents and thus don't know any better. The young are starting to awaken from the 3,000 years of delusion. And they are starting to realize that depending on god for your answers is about as useful as depending on an infant for intelligent conversation. The funny thing is you can actually here the panic in some of these voices. They know that soon they will be a massively ridiculed minority, and they desperately cling to any nonsense that their under-stimulated brains can manifest.
    But on a different note, why can't this "higher creator" simply be an unconscious, force of nature that’s been tediously balancing this world’s eco-systems for millions of years. The irony in this is that my "god" is being killed to build a house for yours.... and you call me intolerant... or you were going to...

    September 8, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
  11. Northern2011

    Evolution makes more sense than those stupid far fetched ridiculous make-believe fairy tale stories contained within man made and man written books. I will take Science over Religion any day, any time any place. At least Science admits when it is wrong and tries to improve their research, at least Science has evidence of how things around us work, Religion has absolutely no evidence to suggest that it ever was real.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
  12. The Bible is the Truth

    This is garbage

    September 8, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • Northern2011

      Most of the people here claiming to be 'Religious' or 'Christians' are full of themselves. We all know that hardly any of you attend church or follow the book 100%. What we have here are casual and part time 'Christians'. There are no real 'Christians' left anymore. That's a fact.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
      • Paul

        I am a real Christian and I bless you. Now go forth and heal others.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      So, is it the talking snake? the Unicorns? or all the scientific knowledge that is the "truth"? Please specify... Thanks.

      September 8, 2011 at 9:53 pm |
    • Evolution is a Fact

      Sorry but the bible is a fairy tale. Please keep your religion off scientific articles. It has no place here.

      September 9, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
      • paxman

        My dear atheist brothers and sisters, please go to http://www.medjugorje.com/medjugorje/scientific-studies/627-specific-tests-administered-to-the-medjugorje-visionaries-and-their-results.html and look at the results of the scientific studies done by more than a dozen scientist, neurologists, psychiatrists, and psychologists. The names and degrees held by each of the testers is listed at the bottom of this web page. Why would the people who tested them lie about the results? Gives an awful lot of authority to 6 'psychotic' kids. Seems like you believe in science until it goes against your beliefs.

        Still no reasonable explanation from any of you non-believers as to what has been going on in Medjugorje for 30 years now. In this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSbN0T6rAIc&feature=fvsr, Mirjana says as children they were arrested by the then communist police, they were put in an insane asylum and told they would live there for the rest of their lives, then they were brought to a mortuary and were left in a room with dead people and told they would have to live there for the rest of their lives. The threatened teenagers, the youngest one 10 years old never backed down from the 'story' they were telling – and still are 30 years later. Some respond to this by claiming that the children have predicted things that haven't happened or said things that are lies or that the apparitions have been condemned by the church but none of this is true. Both Pope JP II and the current Pope have said favorable things about Medjugorje (it's out there, look it up) but they will wait to approve the apparitions until they end. (which they really won't have to bother because by then the whole world will know the truth)

        Starting in June of 1981 6 kids, ages 10 to 15 dropping to their knees at the same time, focusing on the same spot (even though they have side –blinders on), bright flashing lights and hot skin probes not showing up on their EEGs, all raising their heads simultaneously when she leaves. Being arrested by the communist police and threatened with jail and torture and refusing to change their testimony. And now 30 years later, still going to church daily, praying many hours every day, all sticking to their ‘story’ while raising families. Six pathological liars? I guess the proof will be if they die without the signs happening that they say will happen in their lifetimes. Search vimeo for Mirjana or Medjugorje. Look how young Jakov is in the 1984 vimeo video 10286499, how they all raise their eyes at the same time. Someone said there's no sound (which is true) so maybe there was an audible signal so the children would synchronize their looking up. Well, there's a crowd of hundreds of people all around them, don't you think they would have heard the signal. They've done this in front of crowds of hundreds of people hundreds of times. Search u-tube videos of Mirjana. Please reply with your explanation. She says in one of her videos that Our Blessed Mother doesn't refer to atheist as non-believers but as ‘those who do not yet know the love of God’, so at least there’s hope in the way she puts it, sounds like you'll eventually come around. But she also says you'll regret waiting until the great sign, don't let your hearts become too hardened. Keep an open mind and look into it. Also, how do you explain similarities and out of body experiences in people who have had NDEs? I almost drowned as a teenager and I know what I experienced wasn't just my brain failing from lack of oxygen. I’ll keep praying for you. Pax.

        September 9, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        Oh, dear Paxman,

        I noticed you posted this tripe twice, but I will only respond once. I hope you don't mind.

        So, you story is made stronger because the children, under hypnosis, didn't waver their story...

        Some interesting statements about hypnosis: the American Psychological Association describes hypnosis as a cooperative interaction in which the participant responds to the suggestions of the hypnotist. Fifteen percent of people are very responsive to hypnosis; Children tend to be more susceptible to hypnosis; Approximately ten percent of adults are considered difficult or impossible to hypnotize; People who can become easily absorbed in fantasies are much more responsive to hypnosis. Despite stories about people being hypnotized without their consent, hypnosis requires voluntary participation on the part of the patient. (from your first link: Dr. Ludvik Stopar was the first doctor to examine ... He also used hypnosis to determine whether the children were being manipulated or not... However, he hypnotized her without her knowledge or consent. “If I had asked, I am sure she would have refused. In therapy one does not ask permission.” Begs to ask if she was truly hypnotized, or just playing along.) Also, the polygraph was used... interestingly enough, the researchers never mention if the polygraph was ever used to determine if the children are actually lying... just to take measurements... I wonder why that is?

        What does this say about the children and their credibility? Well, researchers have been fooled before, and seeing as the researchers come from the international French-Italian scientific theological commission, I'd think that the theological spin on the whole of research may place some bias to the research.

        So, take your Bosnian visionaries, have them call up an Atheist, have the (do we still call her a virgin? new version of the Bible says she was a young woman, but not a virgin... don't get mad at me, it's your bible...) Mary appear to... not just him/her, how 'bout all of us... make us sh!t our pants and BELIEVE!!! Oh, right, she only "appears" to the already gullible... how convenient.

        Your personal experiences are just that, they cannot be validated, nor verified... therefore, they are of no interest to us... sorry, that's just the way it is.

        September 9, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
  13. Larry

    And how does this put food on my table, or help the economy???

    September 8, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • Foodforthought

      May be you need to put food yourself on your own table. Some of us need to know more than food and economy.....

      September 8, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
  14. Josh Gonzalez

    Looks more like Australoteabagger.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
  15. Majestic_Lizard

    The woman writing the article is not accurately representing the concept of evolution. "that would mean that heel anatomy would have evolved from advanced to primitive to advanced again – which is unlikely." If you have multiple morphologically distinct populations of Australopithecus capable of hybridizing that is exactly what would appear to happen looking at the fossil record, but what is really happening is that multiple distinct populations are hybridizing and eventually characteristics like bipedalism and large brain cases would become more prevalent as their biological advantage arises. So one population could gain the large brain-case and mingle and through genetic rift lose the human-like feet, then that same population could interbreed with a smaller-brain cased population with more human-like feet.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
  16. Paul

    When will we wake up and realize The Hobbit was a first hand account? 😛

    September 8, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
  17. BL

    My mistake, at first I thought it was a still from last night's GOP debate. They both have similar worldviews.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  18. Ashwin

    Ok first of all it is ridiculous to have religious nuts spewing nonsense on a science article, but its is equally ridiculous for atheists to act like science is on their side of belief. Atheists are just as fanatic and ridiculous as teh religious nuts. Athes is nothing but based on belief rather than science, you are no better than the religious nuts in your fanaticism when you claim there is no God. Fact is we just DONT KNOW. There is no proof for the existence or non-existence of God so far and we have just begun looking, how in God's name can you claim the search for the ultimate truth closed when we havent completed it?

    September 8, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
    • smlynch

      atheists and religious fanatics are NOT on equal footing. The claim of the existence of something supernatural requires proof. The claim that that which cannot be empirically observed does not exist does not require proof: it is definitional.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
      • Ashwin

        By your argument there is no life outside of earth, because we have so far not found any evidence to point to the fact. Yes organic molecules maybe, but is that enough to spark life? Using atheist logic we should just give up and say well we are alone in the universe!

        September 8, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
      • smlynch

        No, that's an invalid extension of what I'm saying. First, there is no imperative to "give up" looking for life elsewhere. I'm not saying to give up looking for evidence of God. I'm simply saying that, at the moment, atheists and believers are not on equal footing. The evidence (or lack thereof), coupled with logic, favors the atheist.

        Second, whether there is life on another planet is an empirical question: we can (and have) searched for it, and we seem to be finding some evidence that there may be (conditions seem to favor it). Whether God exists isn't even an empirical question.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
      • Ashwin

        The search for the ultimate truth is a very important question one that will include the matter of a creator or non existence thereof, to dismiss it is being facile. By your argument the argument now favors people who say we are all alone in the universe just as atheists are being favored.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • Majestic_Lizard

      Atheists cannot logically base their beliefs on sophistry and emotion if they do not have beliefs. You are basically stating that a man with no box made the box that does not exist out of so-and-so materials.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
      • smlynch

        this makes no sense to me. I'm not sure whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me or the OP. Existence requires proof. Nonexistence is presumed without proof. Obviously, that's only if you agree with the basic rules of logic. I don't consider logic a "belief" system. It simply IS.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
    • HamsterDancer

      You are right. Someone can't be an atheist based purely on science and logic. Science doesn't look into anything that is not a physical process that can be analyzed. Therefore, at this time there can be be no proof either way in the existence of a supernatural creator. The most logical and scientific viewpoint is to be an agnostic on the subject.

      But alot of athiest are also motivated by the emotional/non-rational parts of them just as much as believers are. Because of their life experiences (my prayers weren't answered/Why would a God allow evil?/Never being raised with any spiritual affiliation, etc.), they have decided there is absolutely no God.
      I don't care what anybody's worldview is, but if you are one of the fanatical atheist insulting people in your comments and are 100% sure of your viewpoint, its obvious you are just as motivated by non-rational thinking as believers.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
      • smlynch

        NO. Logic dictates that existence claims require proof. Nonexistence claims do not. The burden of proof is on s/he who wants to claim the existence of something that cannot be empirically observed. If one can't demonstrate it, then, by definition, it does not exist. As for science, science is not theory in the absence of evidence: it is theory with evidential support. Science does not support the existence of the supernatural, by definition.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
      • HamsterDancer

        @smlynch, those are some good points. My knowledge of the use of logic is in error.

        I guess the point I was trying to make is that at the moment observation and scientific experimentation on the subject of a creative organizing..something can't be analyzed at this time. As our knowledge expands in perhaps quantum physics or some similar area, this subject could come under study and might provide some insight. But until that time it seems to be a better attitude to say "All that we know of the existence of the universe and the evolution of life does not require a God but the possibility of it might one day be studied." In other words, "I don't know."

        See we just had a nice exchange of ideas without insulting each other. Everybody oughta do that!

        September 8, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
    • Björn

      Ok, I believe there's a microwave oven orbiting one of Jupiter's moons. Since I can't prove it and you can't disprove it, we'll just have to keep an open mind and respect each other's beliefs...

      September 8, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
      • smlynch

        right! And, right now, there are 10,000 invisible purple unicorns roaming the streets of my neighborhood. You can't prove me wrong, nor can I prove it true. So, take my word for it.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
      • Ashwin

        Why stop there? I say there is life elsewhere in the universe, you say no there isnt, until we actually do an exhaustive search and find out, we cant just claim the argument settled in favor of non-existence because as someone claimed "logic"dictates that non existence requires no proof,

        September 8, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        @ Ashwin,

        I'll tell you the difference... finding life on another planet is possible by definition... if life exists it WILL be observable. Your God, by definition, is Unobservable (even if your Bible contradicts itself in this respect: Genesis 32:30: And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved; John 1:18: No man hath seen God at any time; Numbers 14:14: Thou, Lord, art seen face to face; John 6:46: Not that any man hath seen the Father... Book of truths can't agree on any of these claims). Therefore, why search for God? The evidence presented is contradictory. Since the Bible is indisputable (??? really???) we can only surmise that the Bible made an error about God. If it made one error, it probably made many more (and it did). If God is an error, why believe in Him? See, it's easier to keep looking for life on another planet, than it is to do the mental gymnastics required to believe in your God.

        September 8, 2011 at 7:12 pm |
    • Acromyrmex-versicolor

      simple logic would suggest that God, at least the most commonly accepted omniscient, ominpotent, and all-loving God of the Bible, can not exist...

      September 11, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
  19. BL

    Someone my mom would call "kid."

    September 8, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  20. Me

    Just read this on the web..

    "The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the Unabridged Dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop." – Professor Edwin Conklin

    September 8, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • Observer

      "All the articles of our Christian faith, which God has revealed to us in His Word, are in presence of reason sheerly impossible, absurd, and false."
      –- Martin Luther, Werke, VIII

      September 8, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • smlynch

      repeated explosions over millions of years will produce a dictionary.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • Majestic_Lizard

      Evolution is not accidental or random. If you knew anything at all about biology you would not make such ignorant statements.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
      • Me

        So what causes evolution and what caused that and before that. In fact go all the way back to the so called big bang, what caused that?

        September 8, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        @ Me

        Ok, what did cause the Big Bang? and what caused the cause of the Big Bang? and what caused the cause of the cause of the Big Bang? and what caused the cause of the cause of the cause of the Big Bang?...

        Oh this infinite regression is fun... hard to type, but fun... absurd, but fun...

        September 8, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
      • Iconoclast

        @Me, So glad you asked. New theories of cosmology are arising even as I type this. There is a theory called "brane" theory, as in short for Membrane. In very basic terms, our universe exists on an extra-dimensional membrane along side countless other universes on their own membranes. These membranes ripple in extra-dimentional space and when they collide a "big bang" event happens, creating matter in the universe. An extention of string theory and quantum physics. Science is so cool!

        September 8, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
  21. Neanderthal at heart

    Hey be nice, this person was my great great great.... grandma.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  22. gary

    Evolution is fact. Deities and demons are pretend. Bible is folklore, myth, superstition and legend.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
    • Me

      Try explaining how scores of predictions in the old testament came true upwards of 700 years later in the new testament? Not just one or two of them, scores of them...

      September 8, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
      • Paul

        I predict you will fall victim to a mosquito bite.. and that bite shall begat the itching and that itching shall begat some additional discomforts. Disbelieve this, and you shall suffer all of the maladies mentioned in the book of Revelation... which is more like a chapter really, but beware nonetheless...

        September 8, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
      • smlynch

        hmm. First, what "predictions" are you talking about? Second, just because the "Old Testament" is called "Old" doesn't mean it's writing occurred before the writing of the New Testament! In fact, the books of both testaments were written over a long span, and it's difficult to date them.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
      • cyclobrwn

        how about this. edited till it all worked together. oh yea suddenly decide a half dozen chapters didnt really fit so take them out. makes it pretty simple.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
      • Kyle

        The old testament was written in Hebrew and Aramaic from 1400 to 400 BC.

        The new testament was written in Greek and finished in the 80's or 90's AD.

        Who said no one knows when they were written?

        September 8, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
    • mo

      Evolution is not a fact. Just because it is taught today as factual, i does not mean or prove it is. Most of us humans have decided to be Gods instead of believing in one a long time ago (therefore the need in believing in something – evolution). Specifically, ever since the humanism boom during Renaissance... When reading and researching history books, one can even see the many doubts in Charles Darwin...

      September 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
      • Majestic_Lizard

        You do not understand what the word fact means. Look it up in the dictionary.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
      • mo

        I've looked it up – and it's exactly what I thought it meant and I've used it exactly as I initially intended. your point of view is welcomed...

        September 8, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
      • cyclobrwn

        it is not ever taught as fact. it has always been called the theory of evolution.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        Now, now, cyclobrwn, let's not confuse the simpleton... He seems to think theory and guess are interchangeable. What he doesn't realize is that fact and observation are interchangeable, and a theory is actually a sentence about the predictability of the outcome of a fact being tested, observed and repeated. So, really, the theory of evolution is a much better predictor of what we'll find in the fossil record, where we'll find it. It doesn't predict where we're going or how we're evolving... we see freaks of nature (two headed snakes etc...), in time, this might prove to be the next species of the animal.

        September 8, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
      • Evolution is a Fact

        Sorry Mo, evolution is a fact and has been proven by thousands of people all over the world who are a lot smarter than you.

        September 9, 2011 at 4:42 pm |
      • paxman

        For the record, I believe in science and the scientific evidence of evolution, but I also believe in an intelligent being who is the Creator. I'm still waiting for a reasonable answer to explain what has been happening in Medjugorje since 1981. Please go to http://www.medjugorje.com/medjugorje/scientific-studies/627-specific-tests-administered-to-the-medjugorje-visionaries-and-their-results.html and look at the results of the scientific studies done by more than a dozen scientist, neurologists, psychiatrists, and psychologists. The names and degrees held by each of the testers is listed at the bottom of this web page. Why would the people who tested them lie about the results? Gives an awful lot of authority to 6 'psychotic' kids. Seems like you believe in science until it goes against your beliefs.

        Still no reasonable explanation from any of you non-believers as to what has been going on in Medjugorje for 30 years now. In this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSbN0T6rAIc&feature=fvsr, Mirjana says as children they were arrested by the then communist police, they were put in an insane asylum and told they would live there for the rest of their lives, then they were brought to a mortuary and were left in a room with dead people and told they would have to live there for the rest of their lives. The threatened teenagers, the youngest one 10 years old never backed down from the 'story' they were telling – and still are 30 years later. Some respond to this by claiming that the children have predicted things that haven't happened or said things that are lies or that the apparitions have been condemned by the church but none of this is true. Both Pope JP II and the current Pope have said favorable things about Medjugorje (it's out there, look it up) but they will wait to approve the apparitions until they end. (which they really won't have to bother because by then the whole world will know the truth)

        Starting in June of 1981 6 kids, ages 10 to 15 dropping to their knees at the same time, focusing on the same spot (even though they have side –blinders on), bright flashing lights and hot skin probes not showing up on their EEGs, all raising their heads simultaneously when she leaves. Being arrested by the communist police and threatened with jail and torture and refusing to change their testimony. And now 30 years later, still going to church daily, praying many hours every day, all sticking to their ‘story’ while raising families. Six pathological liars? I guess the proof will be if they die without the signs happening that they say will happen in their lifetimes. Search vimeo for Mirjana or Medjugorje. Look how young Jakov is in the 1984 vimeo video 10286499, how they all raise their eyes at the same time. Someone said there's no sound (which is true) so maybe there was an audible signal so the children would synchronize their looking up. Well, there's a crowd of hundreds of people all around them, don't you think they would have heard the signal. They've done this in front of crowds of hundreds of people hundreds of times. Search u-tube videos of Mirjana. Please reply with your explanation. She says in one of her videos that Our Blessed Mother doesn't refer to atheist as non-believers but as ‘those who do not yet know the love of God’, so at least there’s hope in the way she puts it, sounds like you'll eventually come around. But she also says you'll regret waiting until the great sign, don't let your hearts become too hardened. Keep an open mind and look into it. Also, how do you explain similarities and out of body experiences in people who have had NDEs? I almost drowned as a teenager and I know what I experienced wasn't just my brain failing from lack of oxygen. I’ll keep praying for you. Pax.

        September 9, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
  23. Me

    Moms are proof evolution is a lie, they would all have eyes in the back of their heads if it were true...

    September 8, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
  24. JEff

    It will take another 2.2 billions years for our brains to evolve so we can understand this s-t.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
  25. blake

    Maybe your ancestor, not mine. I was created in the image of God, not evolved from from some lifeless goo over billions of years. The accident of time and chance. I don't have enough faith to believe those kind of fantastical fairy tales.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
    • John T Draper

      Excellent contribution to the debate. Now, go outside and play.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • gary

      saying "God did it" is so much easier than learning the science and thinking, right?

      September 8, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • Observer

      " I don't have enough faith to believe those kind of fantastical fairy tales." So instead you believe in talking snakes, unicorns, men living in whales and 600-year-old men building a ship big enough to hold hundreds of thousands of animals and months of food.

      Sure.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
    • cyclobrwn

      in the 50's in N Carolina we were told there was no evolution because that means we all had the same ancestor. that would include black people so it wasnt happenin.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • smlynch

      How do you know God isn't a monkey?

      September 8, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
  26. Geezer

    Just look at Palin and Perry, they both are missing links in the very human evolution that these pre-neanderthals are denying.

    September 8, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • Kyle

      Palin is a LOT more successful than you'll ever be. Guess that means you're a few hundred steps down the evolutionary ladder.

      September 8, 2011 at 11:40 pm |
  27. Ray

    Thank the Creator for Evolution.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
  28. Paranoid Nutcase

    HAHAHAHAHA Silly scientists! The earth is only 6000 years old!

    September 8, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
  29. MRM

    The problem with everyone arguing, bitching, condemning and defending their own ideology is that if anyone is indeed secue with their own beliefs, there is no need to tear another person down.... unless you are truly insecure and need to do it in order to pump yourself up. Adult discussion requires adult interaction and response, including respect towards others' perspectives. Human pride & arrogance is at the center of Biblical theology. You don't have to be religious to fall victim to it.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
  30. pooper

    If there is no God, why would there be anything physical or dimensional whatsoever? Why is there space and matter? Shouldn't there be absolute nothingness (which we can't even imagine)? How did this matter move and organize itself to be conducive to life? How did order come from chaos? How does the greater come from the less? How does life arise out of inanimate matter? How does intelligence and love ultimately come from a rock? An atheist must admit that he has to believe in an almost infinite number of logical absurdities and astronomical coincidences.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
    • gary

      Just because one don't know the science, and saying "God did it." doesn't bring truth to the myth of a creator being. Read a few good books on cosmology. Try Brian Greene

      September 8, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • Kyle

      It's less absurd than believing in a god that promises to give me anything I ask for, but when I ask for it, it doesn't appear.

      September 8, 2011 at 11:43 pm |
  31. Noah Benzing

    Don't buy anything these university idiots tell you. They have based their careers on narrow-minded lies that have evolved themselves. These are MONKEYS, not ancestors to humans. Humans DID NOT evolve from primates.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • John T Draper

      The same 'university idiots' created that very computer you spew your nonsense from. They harnassed the power you use to run it and everything else in your house. They created the medicine you take and give your children. They have fed the starving with advances in cultivation. 'University idiots' have taken man to the moon and safely home. They have built telescopes that give us a view of the universe for billions of miles.

      We have become a nation of ignorant, superstitious, anti-science morons.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
    • gary

      "God did it" is so much easier than learning the science and thinking. God is pretend.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
    • cyclobrwn

      right we all descended from 6 people on a boat who descended from two people living in a magical garden. if you were an ancient Syrian you believed aliens came from space and populated the earth, etc. please prove you is righterer

      September 8, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • cyclobrwn

      guess what you arent fully human really. you are a small (3-6%) Neanderthal. thats right your grandpappy was gettin some hot monkey love according to you

      September 8, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • Kyle

      YES NOAH!!

      And that's why you'll always have a job at burger king.

      September 8, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
    • Evolution is a Fact

      You need to take a biology class. I hope you didn't graduate from college. Homo sapiens(humans) are in the order Primates. WE ARE PRIMATES.

      September 9, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
      • paxman

        I'll ask it again, since none of you are giving a valid answer... For the record, I believe in science and the scientific evidence of evolution, but I also believe in an intelligent being who is the Creator. I'm still waiting for a reasonable answer to explain what has been happening in Medjugorje since 1981. Please go to http://www.medjugorje.com/medjugorje/scientific-studies/627-specific-tests-administered-to-the-medjugorje-visionaries-and-their-results.html and look at the results of the scientific studies done by more than a dozen scientist, neurologists, psychiatrists, and psychologists. The names and degrees held by each of the testers is listed at the bottom of this web page. Why would the people who tested them lie about the results? Gives an awful lot of authority to 6 'psychotic' kids. Seems like you believe in science until it goes against your beliefs.

        Still no reasonable explanation from any of you non-believers as to what has been going on in Medjugorje for 30 years now. In this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSbN0T6rAIc&feature=fvsr, Mirjana says as children they were arrested by the then communist police, they were put in an insane asylum and told they would live there for the rest of their lives, then they were brought to a mortuary and were left in a room with dead people and told they would have to live there for the rest of their lives. The threatened teenagers, the youngest one 10 years old never backed down from the 'story' they were telling – and still are 30 years later. Some respond to this by claiming that the children have predicted things that haven't happened or said things that are lies or that the apparitions have been condemned by the church but none of this is true. Both Pope JP II and the current Pope have said favorable things about Medjugorje (it's out there, look it up) but they will wait to approve the apparitions until they end. (which they really won't have to bother because by then the whole world will know the truth)

        Starting in June of 1981 6 kids, ages 10 to 15 dropping to their knees at the same time, focusing on the same spot (even though they have side –blinders on), bright flashing lights and hot skin probes not showing up on their EEGs, all raising their heads simultaneously when she leaves. Being arrested by the communist police and threatened with jail and torture and refusing to change their testimony. And now 30 years later, still going to church daily, praying many hours every day, all sticking to their ‘story’ while raising families. Six pathological liars? I guess the proof will be if they die without the signs happening that they say will happen in their lifetimes. Search vimeo for Mirjana or Medjugorje. Look how young Jakov is in the 1984 vimeo video 10286499, how they all raise their eyes at the same time. Someone said there's no sound (which is true) so maybe there was an audible signal so the children would synchronize their looking up. Well, there's a crowd of hundreds of people all around them, don't you think they would have heard the signal. They've done this in front of crowds of hundreds of people hundreds of times. Search u-tube videos of Mirjana. Please reply with your explanation. She says in one of her videos that Our Blessed Mother doesn't refer to atheist as non-believers but as ‘those who do not yet know the love of God’, so at least there’s hope in the way she puts it, sounds like you'll eventually come around. But she also says you'll regret waiting until the great sign, don't let your hearts become too hardened. Keep an open mind and look into it. Also, how do you explain similarities and out of body experiences in people who have had NDEs? I almost drowned as a teenager and I know what I experienced wasn't just my brain failing from lack of oxygen. I’ll keep praying for you. Pax.

        September 9, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
  32. pooper

    wow, if an alien dropped in and looked at cnn's message boards, they would think that 95% of the world is atheist.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • Zeta Reticulan

      We already know it is .. many of you are too afraid to admit it. It's that last 5% that are holding you back from the Galactic family.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • John T Draper

      That's an interesting observation. Perhaps CNN readers – or readers in general – are better educated and more well-informed.

      Here's another theory: we are all atheists; some of us just don't know it. None of us were born with any knowledge of thought of god. It has to be shoved down our throats from a very early age. I've often wondered about the priests that molest children. If they really believed there was a god watching every move they make, how could they do it? I slow down when I see what I think is a police car in my rear view mirror. I don't have to be sure. Even if it's a white car with a luggage rack, I hit the brakes.

      In my mind, nobody knows better that god doesn't exist than someone that ignores his rules, despite what they say.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
      • mo

        Priests molest children because they are human beings, and humans are of sinful nature. They may claim that they have God in their lives but because of this specific sin (as an example), and their inability to change this, they become incompatible with Gods scripture and entire message. Just because you see in the news priests doing whatever it is they do and certain religions fighting one another, and amongst many other absurd things, it is silly to blame God for all the chaos 'we' men create – whether or not made in the name of God.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:33 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        @ Mo,

        No, priests molest little children because they know something about God that you don't... they know there is no afterlife, just a really good money making scheme while you're living... lot's of parents will trust you with their children 'cause they are "men of the cloth" (need someplace to wipe the goo from their d!cks) and they will be protected by their church... most the RCs, but other denominations as well. Yup, they're human, and corrupt as Hell...

        September 8, 2011 at 7:31 pm |
      • Kyle

        mo. If god created man, then god is 100% responsible for every terrible thing that ever happens. It's not our fault we were allegedly created with flaws.

        September 8, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
      • Guest

        Free will is not a flaw...

        September 9, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    • gary

      Great! Only 5% more and the world will be much better. Maybe then we can progress into the 21st century.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • Dale

      Every single person on this planet is an atheist – just not of the blanket variety. Most make a single exception in their atheism. Some are willing to allow a few more exceptions to stand. The problem is that there is no working definition of god. This definition comes from each individual. Since no two people will 100% agree in their conceptions of god, in some respect, they reject each other's god. Rejecting the idea of god is a form of atheism. Hence, we are all atheists.

      September 8, 2011 at 11:16 pm |
  33. Fred

    What's all this talk about evolution? My pastor tells me the Earth was created in 4,000 years! Of, course, I live in Kansas...

    September 8, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
  34. DrJStrangepork

    Why does the presentation of fossil findings kick off a theist vs anti-theist "yo mama" fight?

    September 8, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • IceT

      Because even conversations (& posts) evolve ... some, like this one, are simply an evolutionary dead end.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
  35. Dr.K.

    Blind cave fish have eyes.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
  36. o_O

    for everyone that says we evolved from apes, why didn't apes evolve?

    September 8, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • MaybeAgnosticMaybeNot

      Example: you have a large group of a particular species. take half of them and put them in a new envirinmont. they will adapt to the new environment. The ones left in the original environment do not have to adapt as the environment did not change.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
      • HPNIII

        I could think of something racial to say here but I won't.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
    • Dr.K.

      Who in the world said they didn't?

      In answer to what I think you are asking, for the same reason that farm ducks came from wild ducks, but there are still wild ducks, and both wild ducks and domestic ducks have continued to change since the time of that common ancestor. For that matter, most Americans came from Europe, but there are still Europeans.

      The misinformation that you have been fed is that humans came from apes. The actual argument is that humans and apes share an ancient common ancestor. So do apes and dogs, dogs and fish, fish and algae, humans and algae, etc.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
      • MaybeAgnosticMaybeNot

        Well said Dr.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
      • HPNIII

        This evolution stuff is a bunch of crap, anyone knows that homos can't reproduce.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:42 pm |
    • IceT

      We did NOT evolve FROM Apes. Humans & Apes BOTH EVOLVED from a common ancestor. What you asked is a common mistake for many.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • Fred

      Because God said they are fine just they way they are...

      September 8, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
      • gary

        god is pretend

        September 8, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • John T Draper

      It's a classic red herring. If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes? It's a ridiculous question.

      The answer is, why wouldn't there still be apes? The apes themselves didn't change overnight into humans. Nobody ever said a gorilla went to sleep one night and woke up the next morning as a human.

      Apes and humans have a common ancestry. It's a fact. If you don't believe it, that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means you don't undestand it.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
  37. MaybeAgnosticMaybeNot

    I just don't know about the whole savanah theory. I find the aquatic ape theory more plausible.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
  38. Jesus Einstein

    You know religion and science don;t have to be mutually exclusive. Some of humanities greatest scientific and philosophic minds have also been religious ones. This divisiveness is manufactured. Ask yourself where you'd be without science for a second. Everything around you that is man made can be attributed to science in one way or another. You do yourselves and your children a disservice by pushing science away. Your world can and does include both!

    September 8, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      If I may, I'd like to take your idea one step further: Ask yourself where you'd be without religion for a second. What have you lost? We'd still have art, music, society, law, theatre,... if you need to socialize once a week for an hour... go to a Bingo hall.

      September 8, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
      • Dale

        Possible. Much of music, art, etc was a direct extension of (or at least inspired by) religion. Although a lot of crap has been dished out by religion, it is undeniable that great things have come from it as well. It's not that art/music/etc would not have existed without religion, but religion did shape it and played a part of what it has become today. On the other hand, these contributions happened a LONG time ago. It's about time to stand up and ask, "What have you done for me lately?". Personally, I'd like our species to psychologically "evolve" to lose this need for imaginary friends...

        September 8, 2011 at 11:23 pm |
      • Kyle

        Religion destroyed a LOT more than it has ever and will ever create.

        September 8, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        @ Dale,

        Is the theme to StarWars more or less impressive because it was inspired by the movie? Or how about the theme to Jaws... Music is music... how about the Mona Lisa? Inspired by religion? no, beautiful and intriguing? Yes. Art is art. Just because it is inspired by a fairytale does not make it more so.

        September 9, 2011 at 7:31 am |
  39. Ann

    To say if science has founfd the last and "lost" evidence on how we as humans "started" is not for me to judge. I hope they have not found the "last evidence". Mostly because I want something in life to be left for the coming generationes to find out and wonder about.
    What amuses me with this tread and discussion is that Christians, Muslims, Jews and so on are so on line and so concur when the question comes up: " are we decendend from the apes?" So what if we are? We have proved it over and over thrue wars and bad behavior that we are at least not better than them, some will even say we are worse.
    If Christians, Muslims, Jews and their likes could show the same will to agree in other aspects we would have taken a giant step towards becoming real humans...

    September 8, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
  40. MaybeAgnosticMaybeNot

    Whales have leg bones.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • HPNIII

      Of course they do, which just goes to prove there was once a global drought.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • smlynch

      I don't think so–they have pelvises. Which is something no fish has, and generally only legged creatures have them.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        But a whale is not a fish... fish don't give birth to live young, nor do they produce milk, nor do they have belly buttons...

        September 8, 2011 at 10:35 pm |
    • Dale

      Well, how else could the 'whale' get to land in order to let Jonah out?

      September 8, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
      • Kyle

        Wings, Dale. Seriously. It's an easy answer. god gave the whale wings.

        September 8, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
  41. Camron

    Why cant both religion and science be of the same brew? Humanity is incredibly ignorant to be thinking that we even have a slight grip on the reality surrounding us. Not a history fiend myself but i do know we haven't been around for a very long time. So to think we have it all figured out is pretty childish.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • Kyle

      Because religion has been proven time and again to be a myth. All of it.

      That's why.

      September 8, 2011 at 11:58 pm |
      • Evolution is a Fact

        Well said.

        September 9, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
      • Sparky101

        Bull, Kyle. Your bigotry has clouded your brain.

        September 10, 2011 at 12:31 am |
  42. bigdoggie

    Actor Hugh Laurie said, "If you could reason with religious people, there'd be no religious people!"

    September 8, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • Sparky101

      He's a good actor. He's not a theologian. He should stick to his craft.

      September 10, 2011 at 12:32 am |
  43. Nic Briones

    Evolution of Man and Negroes diverges due to the Break Up of the super-continent Pangaea, approx. 220 million years ago. Four-limb Apes, gorillas, chimps...had adapted, after 108 million years of evolution, to the forests and jungles of tropical Africa that had drifted away from the Americas, as an isolated continent in the Atlantic ocean; simultaneously, life forms on other parts of Earth had adapted to surface-dwelling environments into biped Giants, and to cave-dwelling environments into the biped Caveman. Then, recent translations of ancient clay tablets found in Iraq, Turkey etc. overturned the "god created Man" into nothing but "Canned Thin Air" Made in Italy, as well as the "Man and Negroes are Equal..." by U.S. Politicians. Annunakis had genetically engineered the Apes and Chimpanzees into the Original biped Negroes in Africa; and the Caveman into the Original Civilized Man in the rest of the Earth etc. etc. For more, order 6TH AGE and DINOSAURTOMAN; $25 free shipping; the two books, in a 1gb usb Flash Drive; to Nic Briones, General Delivery, Fort Stockton, TX 79735-9999

    September 8, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • jimmymax

      Fool.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • John T Draper

      Complete gibberish. Here's the rule: if you can have sex with it and produce progeny, it's the same race.

      'Negroes' are the same race as 'orientals,' 'jews' and every other made-up description of people: they're all humans and genetically compatible. Those words refer to a collection of traits, like hair type and eye color. Poodles aren't a differenct 'race' than greyhounds. They are the same race, with varying traits.

      Your made-up science reflects a strong desire to see yourself and your kin as better or somehow more advanced than some others with dissimilar skin color. But I can assure you, from a scientific point of view, you are better than nobody.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
      • smlynch

        No, the ability to interbreed means they're the same SPECIES, not the same race.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
      • Sparky101

        That superior race stuff came from Darwin and his half cousin Galton. It got a large following by the elitists up into the 1930s (Progressives, Democrats, Nazis and Communists), but was largely discredited after it resulted in forced sterilization in the US and Hitler's Final Solution. It was the "science" of the day back then, and I suppose if you didn't believe it, people called you ignorant and uneducated. Same as has taken place here by the "elites" of our day and age.

        September 10, 2011 at 12:38 am |
  44. bigdoggie

    Well, that about wraps it up for god! (apologies to Douglas Adams).

    September 8, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
  45. Jon

    XO, why doesnt the Bible say anything about Pangea? I have no problem with the concept of a greater being who created everything. I have a big problem with the comncept of a greater being who created everything for us.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
    • Sparky101

      Hmmm, so you have exposed your ignorance of scripture, what now?

      September 10, 2011 at 12:39 am |
  46. Matt

    People who take any religion seriously make me LOL so loud... Though anywho, this article is very fascinating...
    Got to love science 🙂

    September 8, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
  47. Michael

    "It would be convenient for you if, in fact, there were no controversy. But there is a controversy. "

    There is less of a controvery between Ph.D. Biologists if evolution from common decnent is the best explanation for our physical bodies than there is among Pd.D. Historians if the Holocaust happened. Or among MD if HIV is the cause for AIDS.

    "Though frustrating as it may be for naturalists, the burden of proof falls upon the shoulders of evolutionists to explain all the anomalies in the fossil record that do not comport with the Darwinian model"

    1) Can you please be specific about anomalies in the fossil record that do not support our current understanding of evolution? Have there been rabbits found in the Precambrian Era when I wasn't paying attention?

    2) Just because there are unanswered questions do not mean that general idea is wrong. What to start a fight among physicists? Ask how gravity works. Our current understanding of gravity does not explain 1) The Pioneer Anomaly, 2) Why 85% of the mass needed to cause the galactic rotation seems to be missing. 3) Why the expansion of the Universe is increasing.4) Our current understanding of Gravity, General Relativity, makes contradictory predictions in sever instances with Quantum Mechanics, they both can't be right 5) Why gravity is so weak compared to the other forces and resists attempts to combine it with the other fundamental forces.

    "But when you must eliminate the possiblity of a creator from your interpretation of the data because of your own agnostic or atheistic biases, you will see what you want and need to see."

    There is a difference between philosophical naturalism, which I do not subscribe to, and methodological naturalism which I do. The supernatural has no place in science because it cannot be measured, poked, prodded and looked at by every grumpy skeptic. It's sad, but that's the way it is. I can point to the inconsistencies in our understanding of gravity and propose Intelligent Falling which answers all these problems by saying God Controls Gravity and He makes it work however He wants. This is impossible to disprove, however no testable conclusions come from this idea. I can also smooth out the problems with Quantum Mechanics with the proposition of Intelligent Electrons each which has a tiny spirit causing them to move in a random, probabilistic fashion. Similarly with Intelligent Design; it doesn't make any testable predictions therefore is not science any more than Intelligent Falling or Intelligent Electrons are. Philosophy? Yes. Possible? Yes. But not science because it is, unfortunately not equipped to handle the supernatural.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
  48. Dr.K.

    Sure wish we could actually discuss science news stories, rather than being overrun by theology shouting matches.

    Maybe it at least demonstrates why theology has no place in science classrooms – no one would ever be able to actually discuss the scientific ideas.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  49. ??.

    Um, why all the god stuff? This article doesn't even mention god? You know, there's a whole board called "faith" or something similar where you guys can talk about god all day. This article is about bones. If you'd like to talk about bones by all means, join in. If not then you're instigating animosity which I'm pretty sure the bible doesn't want you to do. Then again it's full of stuff you're not supposed to do but I guess if you're a good christian you get to decide which parts to pay credence to.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • the chick who says meh

      hahahaha, you're assuming christians are totally cool with letting science play in it's own sandbox. nonono, everything must be bible related, and if we don't agree, we're "shoving" science down their throats.*

      *personally, if this were true, i wish some of them would go ahead and choke on it already.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
      • Guest

        Wow, all your comments seem to end with someone needing to die. I really think you need some help. Also Theists can say the same thing to Atheists regarding shoving things down there throats. What everyone needs to do is respect people's beliefs since it doesn't affect them what others believe.

        September 8, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
      • Kyle

        I don't respect religious beliefs. It's all trash.

        I respect logic, which is the polar opposite of religion.

        September 9, 2011 at 12:02 am |
      • Guest

        Thanks for making my point Kyle....That's the arrogant idiotic attitude that gives me little hope for people.

        September 9, 2011 at 12:16 am |
      • Guest

        You respect logic Kyle?? How logical is it for an atheist to post numerous times on a board bashing people with religious beliefs? Disrespect is not logical.

        September 9, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
  50. gee

    The dog in the cave has six legs...

    September 8, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
  51. GeorgeD

    Evolutionists are so gullible. You do realize that the more zeros that scientists add to the age of each new find, the more funding that they receive for the next year. Follow the money...

    September 8, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
    • b3aner w3iner

      Except that Science (the name of the journal which this article is based on) is peer reviewed, which adds a dimension of complexity if a research group makes extraordinary claims. Granted, that doesn't guarantee the information therein is completely accurate, but it makes a conspiracy of the variety you seem to be indicating much less likely.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • Kyle

      I bet the catholic corporation has more zeroes in it's bank account than the vast majority of scientists as a whole.

      September 9, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • Evolution is a Fact

      And religion is not about money? They would ask me for money when I was forced to go to church as a kid. Even then I knew it was a fairytale. I was a smart kid.

      September 9, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
  52. steve samples

    Yahoo has a different evolution story out today. Two evolution stories in one day? BS....your not even wise with your propoganda

    September 8, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
  53. Jean Andre Vallery

    speaking of truth, could these people who found these remains please look for heirloom seeds of fruits and vegetables? Because Monsanto Chemical company is successfully genetically modifying seeds and claiming full patent and ownership to seeds. Please help the Americas and all other nations stop this chemical giant from destroying our natural food source. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Monsanto-Bought-and-Stole-Our-Future/254347647939063?sk=wall

    September 8, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • gee

      and support companys like....

      http://www.landrethseeds.com/

      September 8, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  54. Willdone

    Ever since human beings gained the ability to think and reason they have looked for answers to how they came to be. Some looked to others who explained our existence to a higher being who placed us here for a purpose. Others explained our existence as a natural process of life's continual evolution to create a more efficient host to perpetuate life itself. Wars are fought and lives are taken in support of both theories, but my point is, that regardless of any religious beliefs or scientific thinking, there will never be an answer to why we are here that satisfies everyone. So, why not just believe what you want to believe and allow me to do the same?

    September 8, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • b3aner w3iner

      Just curious, which war did humans fight in the name of science?

      September 8, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
      • ??.

        Star Wars?

        September 8, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
      • Willdone

        There appears to be a never ending war between those who believe that God is responsible for human existence and the scientific community that believes otherwise.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
      • Dale

        Bay of Pigs (not a war, and only indirectly linked), Iraq (WMD – that's science), and...a future possibility...Iran, over their nuclear development. While these are not "over science", these are not religiously motivated. It can be argued, in the case of Iraq, the religious nuts certainly had their input, including the POTUS. In all cases, these fights were/will be made possible by the advances of science and countries looking to gain access to the results of scientific discoveries.

        September 8, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
      • b3aner w3iner

        @Dale, you seem to have confused "in the name of science" with "not in the name of religion". The kind of examples that I would be interested in during a serious debate would be on par with the Crusades as a religious war to put non-Christians to death. I'm no historian, but I can't think of an example of a war waged to put non-scientists to death.

        Although you are not incorrect that certain WMDs are related to science, the motivation for the US war on Iraq was probably much more motivated (and I admit, this is speculation outside the area of my expertise) by politics, and arguably humanitarianism or economics (depending on which propaganda and/or conspiracy theories sway your interest). I'm sure you'll understand my reasons if I believe that the claim that the Iraq war was waged in the name of science is a matter of grasping at straws.

        September 9, 2011 at 11:59 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      Why? Because one train of thought promotes thinking, discovery and progress, the other... not so much. I want the world to be better for my children and my children's children.

      Religion teaches to ask no more, God done it all for ya so you don't have to think about it anymore.

      September 8, 2011 at 10:46 pm |
  55. Dorian

    Humans no longer have to adapt to our surroundings, we change the surroundings to adapt to us for the most part.

    In the past, if food was only available at the tops of trees, evolution would alter necks to grow longer or arms to reach the top. Short animals would die off and not be available for procreation thus altering the overall genetics to slowly weed out the gene that relates to being short.

    Today, humans will make ladders to reach the top or machines to cut the trees down. The short person will no longer be excluded from the food so they will still procreate thus keeping the genetic pool of short people alive. Our big brains are compensating for our genetic shortfalls thus slowing down the natural selection process.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
  56. Wally

    It's a monkey skull. Plain and simple. Monkey, ape, chimp...whatever. Not human. Don't buy into this crap!

    September 8, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • the chick who says meh

      not a monkey, and btw, chimps are a species of ape. you should at least have a rudimentary grasp of these facts before you dismiss them as "crap." otherwise you look, well, dumb. really, really dumb. for real.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  57. Pen Swordsman

    Our 'evolved" brain may not phathom infinite creation, while we may categorize according to our own narrow and arrogant perspective, the belief in a higher power is also consistent throughout human history. Is this too, a product of evolution?

    September 8, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
    • Zebula

      Why yes, it is. A plethora of scientific journals have explained just that, recently. Look it up.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
  58. BobZemko

    I'd liike to lay a bing bang on the heads of the Creationists with a primitive projectile point.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
  59. Chris

    The Devil put these " Fossils " int he Ground to Confuse us. The Earth is only a few thousand years old ! S.U.R.E

    September 8, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
  60. ItsComing

    Everyone knows that science and religion contradict one another. You cannot strongly believe in one, if you believe in the other. There is only one theory that successfully marries the two. That is the Ancient Astronaut theory. Look it up.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • b3aner w3iner

      while you're at it, look up "nutjob"

      September 8, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
      • b3aner w3iner

        Also, as long as we're talking about marrying things, look up "pretzel bagels". Incredible. Never has their been more solid proof for the existence of a higher power.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • Zebula

      Let's not forget peanut butter and chocolate. Mmmmm, thank you Reeses god.....

      September 8, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  61. Merecat

    Not my family..

    September 8, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
  62. b3aner w3iner

    One reason why the idea of "guided evolution" makes some people laugh:

    In many christian-flavored religions, god forbids adultery.

    Per the idea of guided evolution, god then had a hand in evolving the mushroom-like shape of the human phallus, such that if a woman copulates with a man, and then copulates with another man, the phallus of the second man acts like a plunger to extract the first man's semen to give his own semen a better chance of contributing to offspring.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
    • earth2loons

      That is kind of sick man.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    • truefax

      Makes it more fun for chicks, imagine trying to get a bj if you had spines growing from your yang.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
  63. Buriedcomicbook

    its just nice to see there are so many non believers out there. I buried a superman comic book series in the ground and one day they will be know as the new bible. Its amazing people can believe in a all powerful GOD that has done nothing since Jesus was alive. I feel so bad for these people when they realizes he is not real they are going to all flip out and kill everyone.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
  64. the chick who says meh

    i swear, if one more ignorant wingnut whines about evolution only being a "theory", i'll scream. freaking gravity is only a "theory" as well, why don't you do us all a favor and find the closest high rise and demonstrate how silly that "theory" is.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • Guest

      Wow, what a totally appropriate response. Maybe you should join them.....

      September 8, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
  65. Tea Bag Betty

    I mean like EVERYBODY knows it's only 6,000 years, not millions. Get out yer Bible, thump it several times and you'll see the light.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • b3aner w3iner

      lol

      September 8, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Guest

      Read the bible and it says nothing about the age of the Earth. People that say that are basing there comments off an assumption made by a bishop in the 17th century....a very incorrect one. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before making ignorant hateful comments.

      September 8, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
  66. truefax

    You are all HOMOS, just saying.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
  67. Phil

    God isn't real. I'm not gonna add an explanation. Nobody listens anyways (as shown below/above idk)

    September 8, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
  68. ronnie realamerikan

    YOU ARE THE LYING MEDIA SOCIALIST ELITE!! My pastor says the the earth is 6000 YEARS OLD, and so do the evangical candidates i will VOTE FOR in '12!!!!!
    (... now do we realize why we're the laughing-stock of the planet? thanks for your time... and by the way, there's every chance that someone who DOES embrace this dogma may just become the next president...)

    September 8, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
  69. smartfool

    To assume the bible is 100% correct is foolish, to assume that science is 100% correct is foolish.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • b3aner w3iner

      An important distinction is that although the body of data humans have accumulated with the scientific method is not 100% accurate, the usage of the scientific method itself provokes accurate results, even disproving previously held scientific beliefs.

      In short, scientific knowledge is subject to revision, given proper evidence. Religious knowledge is not only not generally subject to revision, but you will face criticism from religious fundamentalists for questioning it, evidence or not (i.e. the bulk of debate on this article)

      September 8, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
    • cyclobrwn

      no actual scientist would say that. a "believer" wont say anything else.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • Iconoclast

      To assume that a fool is 100% correct or that 100% of fools are corect is biblical!

      September 8, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
  70. Zeta Reticulan

    We've been waiting for over 1500 of your years for you Humans to mature in your reason & grow out of your infancy to make contact ... after monitoring these comments (among other things) it appears we will be waiting a long time for that contact... end of transmission ...

    September 8, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • GeorgeD

      Drag nugget! I have been waiting for ya in my trailer park for years! I got my beer stained Elvis shirt on and "I luv Guns" baseball cap. You probed my next door neighbor a few years back and I've been waiting me turn!

      September 8, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
      • Zeta Reticulan

        Trust me ... you've been probed

        September 8, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
  71. Sybaris

    If you would prefer to believe that some invisible sky daddy made you out of dirt over evolving from primitive ancestors then you are stupid.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
  72. ItsComing

    It's called God Shock. It's the day when it is revealed that the God of all religions is really a highly intelligent being from another world who travelled here in a space ship thousands of years ago and helped to evolve humans, and taught our ancestors things it would have taken them thousands of years to learn on their own. All of the stories in the holy books speak of how "God decended from the heavens in a burst of light and smoke". The words UFO and space ship were not in anyone's vocabulary back then. How else would they describe it? And what if God is really is a vastly intelligent Extra Terrestrial being from another world? Does that make him any less of a creator of man kind? This would not change anything that is written in the holy books, as no one truly knows the origin of God anyway.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • Jon

      Actually, God is a member of The Foundation, that group of intellectual trying to shorten the dark ages that followed the collapse of the Galactic Empire.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
  73. Mark

    I definitely see the family resemblance. That nose runs in the family. Cursed.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
  74. Dan

    Rick Perry was right!!
    Do you see how stupid these scientists are – they can't get it through their thick skulls that the world is only 4004 years old! Bishop Usher came up with that a long time ago. What – don't these socalled academics read?

    September 8, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Guest

      No where in the bible does it give the Earth's age. A bishop from Ireland came up with that and obviously made very big assumptions using the gealogies in the bible to come to that figure. Atheists and Theists alike need to read then have original thought...

      September 8, 2011 at 10:31 pm |
  75. IceT

    After reading sooo many of these posts I've come to the conclusion (again) that evolution still has a lot of work ahead if the human race is to survive.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
    • Mark

      Funny, too bad it's true.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • Stu

      evolutionists advocate population control, but catholics, on the other hand, advocate fruitful multiplication.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
      • Jon

        No, catholics advocate unfruitful multiplying. Someone should point out to the right-to-lifers that the Bible saying "Be fruitful and multiply."

        September 8, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
      • Iconoclast

        Another biblical misinterpretation. Be fruitiful and multiply meant: "Eat an apple a day and do your math homework".

        September 8, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
  76. will

    oh look, they found another one of these. Watch how fast people forget about this article. I give it a month.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
  77. RobbyT

    Just reading these comments are all the proof I need to know that we evolved from monkeys.....

    September 8, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
  78. GeorgeD

    Our scientists get dumber each year. In the United States right now, 735 species of plants and 496 species of animals are listed as threatened or endangered. Dragon "myths" are present in almost every per-historic culture. Perfect cave drawings of "extinct" dinosaurs can be found on every continent. But no, they were long gone millions of years before man oozed out of the sea, grew two legs and invented taxation.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • Stu

      like

      September 8, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • Stu

      esp b/c taxes propagate evolution which means the idea is, by definition, weak.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • WhatWhatWhat?

      Perfect cave drawings of dinosaurs? I can tell you've never actually seen any of those drawings, have you? You just wanted to spout off, and you thought you would sound intelligent. The thing is, all of the dinosaur bones have been laying around long before we came, and many myths and legends and cave drawings were based on people finding the fossils, and then interpolating what the creature was. To stipulate that cave drawings imply men and dinosaurs were contemporary is as stupid as believing in religion.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
      • GeorgeD

        Lol, dude, do some research...

        September 8, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
      • WhatWhatWhat?

        I think you were just talking to yourself, George.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
      • GeorgeD

        No, talking to you actually. I study Archeology, the proof is there, but you have to ignore the crap you have been told for years in school and actually look at the evidence.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
      • WhatWhatWhat?

        What, of a 6000 year old earth? There's evidence for that? You're kidding right? Are you one of those who think god made all the light beams from distant objects in the universe all start only 6000 light years from earth to fool us into disbelief and test our faith? Man, that is the lamest thing I ever heard, but my dad believes it too. I can hardly type I'm laughing so hard.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • John T Draper

      George: Luckily, we have geniuses such as yourself to keep the world safe from stupid scientists and their fancy book larnin'.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • Jon

      Where in North America might I find such caves?

      September 8, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
  79. Pav

    You all sadden me.

    This is a fascinating find with compelling implications about human evolution. Important aspects of what defines our species, which we have been piecing together over the last 40 years, may have to be reconsidered in light of this find. And EVERY SINGLE COMMENT here is part of a truly inane dialog about science vs. religion.

    Mathematicians don't have to justify the Pythagorean theorem every time they apply it to a new proof, and scientists don't need to justify evolution every time they talk about a new fossil. So, stop it!

    To those who accept the scientific evidence: When you post in reply to those who are ignorant by choice, you validate the idea that there is a controversy to discuss. You legitimize their position when you fall prey to the notion that it merits a reasoned response. They don't want dialog, they want to proselytize. But when you respond, it looks like there is a legitimate discussion to be had. Don't do it. Just ignore them. You can't change their minds. Their minds are impervious to change. They actually think that's a virtue.

    To those who hold fast to belief in spite of any contrary evidence: Take it elsewhere. This is not the forum to discuss your religion, or the pseudoscientific mental contortions you have developed to respond to the realities of the world that occasionally disagree with your preexisting ideas of how things work. Do that at church. Or Sunday school. Or at a picnic with your fellows. Stop trolling the internet for the word "evolution" waiting to pounce. Go away. The grown ups are talking here.

    To those who are legitimately on the fence: Take what you can from the science discussed, but ignore the discussion. It's not going anywhere. All the arguments put forth have been rehashed and rerehashed a million times over on the internet already (and for decades before there was an internet).

    Now, can we get back to talking about the article?

    September 8, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
    • BBoy705

      Wow! That was perfect! I might copy and paste that into Word to use in similar situations. Good going!! THANKS!

      September 8, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • WhatWhatWhat?

      Dude, the religious delusionists are not going to go to other web sites because you asked them too. They come here to be ridiculed, and that's the only way we can get them to leave, or shut up for that matter. So I think you are wrong. It's a nice ideal, but it's not practical.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • earth2loons

      It would be convenient for you if, in fact, there were no controversy. But there is a controversy. And for good reasons that are not often cited by the less scientifically informed readers. Your analogy between mathematics (Pythagorean theorem) and paleontology (evolution) does not hold. For one, you are confusing inductive and deductive reasoning. Though frustrating as it may be for naturalists, the burden of proof falls upon the shoulders of evolutionists to explain all the anomalies in the fossil record that do not comport with the Darwinian model. For someone who does not need to subscribe to the naturalist paradigm, it is obvious that evolution is a fact within limits. But when you must eliminate the possiblity of a creator from your interpretation of the data because of your own agnostic or atheistic biases, you will see what you want and need to see.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
      • WhatWhatWhat?

        Wrong, wrong, wrong. By INCLUDING a deity is when you only see what you want. You got it backwards. Not surprising since you see only what you want due to your deity.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
      • earth2loons

        Be my guest and explain the anomalies – cambrian explosion, absence of transitional forms in the fossil record, the frozen accident called DNA, the finely tuned properties of the universe, our solar system, and planet earth. Or better yet, please explain the conclusions and implications of the space-time theorems. A transcendant cause to the universe is a scientific fact. Somewhere between the extremes of naturalism and the hard core creationist who believe the universe was created in six 24 hour days, there is a more objective reading of the record of nature than either of you can offer. You lack objectivity because you adhere to a tenuous metaphysical/cosmological view – you deny, more exactly, that there is a God despite the evidence in front of your face every day. That is your personal issue, not a matter of science.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
      • WhatWhatWhat?

        What evidence? There's no evidence whatsoever. None. I can explain many of those things you mentioned, but they would be the explanations that all of science accepts, which you obviously would not accept.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
      • John T Draper

        The Cambrian Explosion occurred over 500 million years ago. How does that support creationism? Do you think that every time science has a question, the default answer is 'god,' unless we can produce some other explanation? Creationism explains absolutely nothing.

        Every form of life is 'trasitional.' There is no 'final' or 'finished' form of any lifeform. Evolution is not something that happened in the past – it occurs every day. Next time you get a flu shot, ask your doctor how that works.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
      • cyclobrwn

        i dont see your proof either

        September 8, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • John T Draper

      Well said.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
  80. GeorgeD

    Goodness knows that a human skull couldn't have been deformed being buried under the ground, and we have absolutely no skeletal deformities now, so it must be a billion year old pre-man!!!

    September 8, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • Zeta Reticulan

      This type of comment is why you earthlings won't be invited into the galactic fold for many many more milenia.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • GeorgeD

      Zaggot!! Then I purchased my tin foil hat and a used butth0le plug for nothing!

      September 8, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • John T Draper

      Please tell us you're kidding. Nobody is really that stupid, are they?

      September 8, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
  81. Edsr

    Looks like one of Obama's distant cousins.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • GeorgeD

      Like the ones that keep getting kicked out of the country for being here illegally???

      September 8, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
  82. spoo

    the only thing I like about the bible is the soft paper it is usually made with, great substitute when charmin goes out

    September 8, 2011 at 3:17 pm |
    • cyclobrwn

      makes tattoo ink in prison. sweet

      September 8, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
  83. BBoy705

    Why does anyone "with faith" bother reading an article about science? If you believe that everything your religion teaches what is the point? And if you are a believer in everything in your holy book do you not have enough faith to accept what others believe? Then to come on a blog like this and resort to name calling... what is up with that? If you don't like the message of science go read the Bible or the Koran or some other religious book. You won't convert any who don't believe by coming across as an angry believer!

    BTW, I found the article interesting.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
    • BBoy705

      Not well articulated I know but I'm sitting at my desk at work eating, of all things, BBQ ribs coated with the most incredible sauce! They're good but sticky! Yum!

      September 8, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
    • earth2loons

      Some of us attempt to integrate faith and science, but we are typically less outspoken because it requires intelligence and forethought on difficult and challenging subjects to make a comment worth reading. As I read this article, I see what I would expect to see if, in fact, a God created through and alongside evolution. The fossil record does not support Darwinian gradualism at all. Every honest evolutionist knows that. But the fossil record does appear to support sudden appearances of complex life. Evolution offers no mechanism to exlain this. But even a superficial reading of the Bible offers an answer.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
  84. Josh

    These scientists seem to be always thinking that branches in the tree of evolution of man will always be sharp and crisp. However, knowing humans today, I doubt that there was no inter- or cross- breeding especially immediately after a branch was formed. In other words, the branches that lead to humans, would be blurred and intertwined.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • cyclobrwn

      we all have a small % of Neanderthal DNA and that split was long before. Homos are horny litlle monkeys.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
  85. GeorgeD

    Evolutionists just kill me. How did an eye and sight evolve?? Hearing? Please explain this to me.

    But there is strong proof that some humans came from apes. Look at our current president and many professors in our higher education system...

    September 8, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
    • b3aner w3iner

      If this is a serious question, the eye theoretically evolved from light sensitive cells (i.e. a simple organism which has the ability to tell the difference between day and night may be able to make distinction between the best times of day to look for food and/or evade predators). Half an eye is indeed better than no eye at all, light sensitivity can be accomplished with the primitive ancestor of rods and cones found in modern human eyes.
      Hearing, at least in the ear as we usually think of it with the bone structures consisting of the anvil, hammer, stirrup, etc, has it roots in the reptilian jawbone. Presumably, the less like a jawbone and more like an ear that the structure became, the more sensitive to vibration it became and indeed suited to distinguishing different vibration.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
    • GeorgeD

      Yeah, and these light sensitive cells and amphibian jaw bones just randomly evolved from? Dude, it is like saying if I put my black and white single shot camera outside and if atmospheric conditions are just right, it will evolve into a color video camera in a billion years.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • WhatWhatWhat?

      Yes George, it's exactly like that...if your an uneducated ignoramus that is. Those arguments are so old and lame, it's laughable. Why not go back to school and learn about all the questions you asked, the answers are all there. You're just not looking because you're scared of what you might find.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
      • GeorgeD

        No, actually the answers are not there. I enjoy science, but just assuming things randomly come together and form life is very improbable. The is why Evolution is on the way out and Intelligent Design will be the standard curriculum in schools soon.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
      • WhatWhatWhat?

        Boy, you really are off the deep end, aren't you? The answers ARE there, and the discussion of early vision equipment, and the modifications by evolution, is well documented. The age of the dinosaurs is also well documented. The thing that's missing is evidence for the flood, you wouldn't happen to have any, would you? Because nothing in the geologic column shows that it happened, and there's no evidence that it occurred.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Jon

      Good point. Apes are obviously smarter than most humans. Theyre not trying to destroy the only planet known to sustain life.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    • smlynch

      three words for you: argument from ignorance. The fact that you don't understand something doesn't make it false. If so, then I'd say I don't understand how something came from nothing so I don't know how God was created. Therefore, he doesn't exist.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
  86. hippypoet

    the idea that people really believe the earth is only 5-10,000 years old is just sad. As comedian lewis black said, fossil!

    September 8, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
    • earth2loons

      young earth creationists believe that...and that makes them an easy target, no doubt. But such a belief has little impact on their faith and relationship with God. For old earth creationists, scientific findings based on fact and proper interpretation of the evidence provide the basis for a reasonable faith. but that requires far more work and intelligence than taking the easy way out and denying God's hand in creation like atheists do.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    • GeorgeD

      The Bible says that creation was made out of water and by water. And in the beginning God's spirit hovered over the face of the water. If this was a water planet originally, it would explain how the Earth could be millions of years old, but humans only 6-9,000 years old.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
      • smartfool

        No at the beginning earth was a molten piece of rock that would have been a very literal version of hell on earth, with no water and way too hot to sustain life.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
      • GeorgeD

        Well, as neither of us were there, I guess we just have to take other people's guesses about it.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
      • WhatWhatWhat?

        Oh, now I get it. You're one of those young-earth delusionsts. Man, those are the fossils of religious delusionism.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
  87. Mike

    What increases information in the genome?

    September 8, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
    • earth2loons

      Chance and dumb luck is the answer. DNA was a frozen accident according to Francis Crick, the discoverer of the structure of DNA. I try my best to respect both sides of the debate, but the naturalist response to your question is weak at best. Naturalism by definition rules out a transcendant cause despite the fact that the space-time theorems prove that the universe had such a cause. Naturalists, in short, impose their assumptions on the evidence. And they lose objectivity as a result. The evidence of design in DNA is overwhelming, unless you are wearing ideological blinders. Science can be used as an instrument to test for design. But the theological implications are too repugnant to atheists.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
      • WhatWhatWhat?

        Someone designed DNA...full of flaws. As a fetus matures, the DNA tells different parts of the body to grow gills, and flippers, and a tail, and then, just when you think it's a fish or an amphibian, it starts to revert to a human form. And what about all of the parts of the DNA that don't do anything? Large sections are skipped , due to poor programming, and the code was left behind in the program so that it was a bloated with unused stuff. And what about the gender not being apparent until much later? We must all be born bi-sexual because the programmer couldn't get it right the first time. Anyone who says that DNA was intelligently designed didn't look very well. The problems with DNA clearly show that it was made ad hoc, at random, with no forethought whatsoever. Please stop trying to tell these people lies about it. Thank you.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • Stu

      wish we could observe that in something other than yeast.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  88. jrh

    What do Rick Perry & Michele Bachmann say? They can't say "Australiopithecus" much less spell it. Clearly this theory has gaps.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
  89. mbane

    Everyone knows God created us 6 thousands years. When Adam ate the apple, he expelled from paradise to live side by side with the dinossaurs. Dinossaurs were to big for this earth so we ate them all until there were none left We don't know history or science and we like it that way. After all the Bible says so and we will ignore the fact that it was put together by men in 325ad and written by different people at different points in time. That means it's God's word.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
  90. Stu

    questions for evolution: when did clothes come about? why aren't clothes a part of these hominid fossils when they were apparently using tools ? a creationist might say they were used at the fall of man 6-9,000 years ago. But under an evolutionary timeline with tools and clothes assuming to appear at roughly the same time, why no clothes on these hominids. man is one of the weakest, physically, of all creatures, yet he only evolved this physical weakness in the past 9,000 years? we know so little.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
    • WhatWhatWhat?

      Stu, Stu, Stu...wow, you need some help and I have the answer. There are no clothes, get this, because the fossils are MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD. Clothes don't survive that long, Stu, along with the stomach contents, hair, guts, and anything else that might decay. I know you thought you had busted this theory wide open, but, next time, take a minute to think about how dumb the question is before you post.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
      • Believer

        anyone with any intelligence can not believe in evolution. It's a theory with wide holes in it. Anthropology is not science. If it is, it is for those with IQ less than 0.1. Ha Ha Ha...

        September 8, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
      • Iconoclast

        Wow Believer, you don't understand the theory of evolution or the scientific method so you resort to name calling. Evolution is a much better, more intelligent explanation than: "Magic dude created everything out of nothing, and oh yeah we look just like him because my fairy tale book says so" It is you sir with the fractional IQ.

        September 8, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
  91. R

    Religion: You assume something is true and live to protect your belief from any type of contradiction. Zero tolerance and Zero flexibility. Result: Terrorism.
    Science: You assume something and constantly check if assumption is true or false. All the conclusions are based on logic and observation. Keep studying because world is infinite. Result: Technology.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • earth2loons

      It doesn't work that way. science and the bible both call for putting all theories and teachings to the test. That is why a more astute mind sees how to integrate truth from each.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
      • R

        Proverbs 3:5-7 ESV / 39 helpful votes

        "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil."
        Fear the lord ???

        September 8, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
      • R

        2 John 1:9-11

        Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
      • R

        There are many more such quotes in Bible and Quoran to prove my point.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
      • WhatWhatWhat?

        R you just trying to show us how absurd your delusions are? It's working.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
  92. God created EVERYTHING!!

    Yes, GOD created everything! And I think SHE's Great!

    September 8, 2011 at 3:03 pm |
    • jrh

      If you want to believe that, then yes. Including Australiopthecus and the humans (like you and me) who evolved from them! Isn't it great!

      September 8, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
    • markjuliansmith

      HE HE how many times must I tell you HE.

      We got rid of HER years ago from a previous 'holy text' as it was interfering with Religions only utilitarian value-Mans control over Woman.

      Once women take over – Religion will cease to exist – no longer holds any value for Man.

      Its Man-God not Woman-God – Will they ever learn their place!

      September 8, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
  93. Isaac

    It's amazing there are actually people still so ignorant as to say evolution isn't real.... sad.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:03 pm |
  94. Tonelok

    @Abrondon
    Homo Sapien is unique because of the tremendous amount of diversity within the species. Look at any other species and you will see much more uniformity. That being said, our skeltal structure, and the remnants of us left behind would appear very similar.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
    • jrh

      And if homo sapiens impresses you, take a look at canus familiaris sometime. Genetically, a teacup chihuahua and an Irish wolf hound are identical species. Makes comparing a Japanese person to a Venezuelan pretty trivial, eh?

      September 8, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
  95. Observer

    In the beginning, God created talking serpents that were fluid in language. They then evolved into the serpents of today that can't talk and can't understand language.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
  96. LeeCMH

    In the beginning MAN CREATED GOD. God is entirely an abstract human construct.

    September 8, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
  97. Abrondon

    I want to avoid any vitriolic comments, there are enough of those on this topic. But it does seem that there are constant declarations of new species based on "partial skeletons" or "bone fragments." It strikes me as similar to future paleontologists digging up the bones of Shaquille O'neal and Danny Devito and declaring them to be two different species.

    September 8, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • NotQuiteRight

      Are you always this stupid, or is this a special day for you?

      September 8, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
      • Abrondon

        Responding with ad hominem attacks is common, but unproductive and ineffective.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
      • WhatWhatWhat?

        Ok, how's this. The first thing that's found by the scientist is a "fragment". Many such fragments go into making a "partial skeleton". Never before has a perfectly preserved "whole skeleton" been found, so the best we can hope for is a partial. But guess what, there are many similarities that allow scientists to determine minimum and maximum extents within a certain percentage uncertainty. And those uncertainties are well below the level of noise that would make the findings inconclusive. Therefore, Shaq and Danny would be classified as the same species.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
      • Atheist

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

        so eat it. And these are just the FOSSILS that we have found. For a fossil to happen it takes perfect conditions rarely seen. Even this alone would PROVE that the earth is older than 6,000 years old. Religion=false. ...win 1-0 again!!

        September 8, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
  98. WhatWhatWhat?

    In the beginning, there was the book. And the book was withoot flaaws. And it was revered by the mindless.

    September 8, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Muhammad

      And on that Day We shall gather from within every community a host of those who gave the lie to Our messages; and they will be grouped [according to the gravity of their sins]
      until such a time as they shall come [to be judged. And] He will say: “Did you give the lie to My messages even though you failed to encompass them with [your] knowledge? Or what was it that [you thought] you were doing?"
      And the word [of truth] will stand revealed against them in the face of all the wrong which they had committed, and they will not [be able to] utter a single word [of excuse]:
      for, were they not aware that it is We who had made the night for them, so that they might rest therein, and the day, to make [them] see? In this, behold, there are messages indeed for peo­ple who will believe!
      And on that Day the trumpet [of judgment] will be sounded, and all [creatures] that are in the heavens and all that are on earth will be stricken with terror, except such as God wills [to exempt]: and in utter lowliness all will come unto Him.
      And thou wilt see the mountains, which [now] thou deemest so firm, pass away as clouds pass away: a work of God, who has ordered all things to per­fection! Verily, He is fully aware of all that you do!
      (From the Holy Qur'an).

      September 8, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
      • earth2loons

        nice post, but it is too long. nobody likes reading chapters, cut it down and you might find an audience next time.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
      • MohammadThe Pedo

        The "prophet" Mohammad was a murdering pedophile.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
      • floris

        I just drew a picture of Mohammed. He's wearing a ladybug hat.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
      • Shawn M

        Yeah, I love being an intolerant prick too. Lay off and go make better use of yourselves..

        September 8, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
      • Scott

        Is the world still flat? Is the Earth Still the center of the Universe?

        September 8, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
      • Capt'n Crunch

        Pleazzzzzze. Muhammad wears little girl's panties.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
      • mike hunt

        Holy Quran my as-s ... you people are so chronically brain-washed it doesn't pay to even talk to you. Wake up....grow up....get a life will ya. Or go put on a vest and your ar-se out the window!!

        September 8, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
      • Bruinyourlife

        The world has no time for ignorance. Your book was written by a guy who takes a dump just like me and you. Don't pretend like his ish don't stink. Goes for Jesus too

        September 8, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
      • Displeased

        Nice to see you all bashing other religions. You must be the loving Christians I hear so much about.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
      • jimmymax

        I'll wait for the movie.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
      • zulu

        Wow..Muhmmad knows how to cut and paste. He probably doesn't understand a single word of it...

        September 8, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
      • HPNIII

        This evolution stuff is a bunch of crap, anyone knows we could not have come from a bunch of homos. (sorry just couldn't resist it)

        September 8, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
      • Don

        All religions are ridiculous including yours.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
      • babaooey

        Did you really have to type all this horse shyt?

        September 8, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
      • Lynn

        Well I see there's still ignorant people in the world. As for me, I am a firm believer in Evolution.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
      • James M. Brundage-Neill

        "There is no Allah but Science, and Charles Darwin is his Prophet (Peace be unto Him)" (From the "Newest Testament").

        September 8, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
      • Leewa

        Hei,

        You used "Muhammed" as a nick name, copied and pasted some quranic texts to pretend being a muslim.
        that shows a lack of moral.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
      • Ed

        There is no God.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
      • Bill

        Hey Muhammed, when is the last time a member of your religion made a contribution that benefitted mankind? All religions have done their best to stop scientific knowledge and your stone-age religion is one of the worst. We would be a much more advanced society if religion hadn't been invented by man. Next time you get a serious disease, don't go the the doctor, have your Imam say a few prayers. It will be a quicker path to Allah.

        September 8, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
      • ruemorgue

        1000 plus years ago, Arabic civillization was at high-point having made many advancements on knowledge obtained from Rome and Greece. Our number system is Arabic. These days, though, Islam is against most science, unless it gets Islam the bomb and more oil. What a tumble - from a zenith (Arabic word) to a nadir (another Arabic word).

        September 8, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
      • Andy

        How about just give a link to your book of lies and you'll get about the same interest as writing a novel here.

        September 8, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
      • markjuliansmith

        "grouped [according to the gravity of their intellect]" and they that understood an invisible self-defining bucket was simply implausible will go to the Right of the Chair (made of mahogany) and snicker whilst those believed an invisible self-defining bucket was indeed God would pass to the Left of the Chair (made of pine) and have to deal with the shame in whatever way they can. So it is written so therefore it is 'Truth'. So saith markjuliansmith earth.

        September 8, 2011 at 9:23 pm |
      • QuranLies

        God, who has ordered all things to per­fection! Verily, He is fully aware of all that you do!
        (From the Holy Qur'an).

        Guess he screwed up, because faith is far from perfection but the root of all evil in this world. How can smart people believe in such rubbish? Muhammed or however you want to spell his pedophile, serial killer name is nothing more than a man if he was even real. No different than 600 year old noah building an ark and god telling slaves they should be good slaves. It is amazing how so called religious people want to take only certain parts of the bible or quran as real and ignore the rest of the bronze age books of evil.

        September 8, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
      • markjuliansmith

        "they will not [be able to] utter a single word [of excuse]:" for verily they are gobsmacked to find God is indeed not an invisible self-realized bucket but a ticket to the movie JOHNNY ENGLISH REBORN upon which they wake up and rejoin the real world. As it is written it will be done – because I said it would.

        September 8, 2011 at 10:43 pm |
      • Nutty Nut Bar

        He might be a brainwashed retard but I bet he knows how to make a great car bomb.

        September 9, 2011 at 8:08 am |
      • gil vazquez

        very interesting article. can't wait for more studies to be performed on the fossil.

        September 9, 2011 at 8:39 am |
      • Jessica

        YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED OF YOUR INTOLERANT COMMENTS TO THIS MAN THAT HAS DONE NOTHING BUT STATE HIS OPINION OF FAITH. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THAT'S OK BUT LEAVE HIM ALONE. SECONDLY, THE REASON THAT NO SCIENTIST CAN TELL YOU THE EXACT EVOLUTIONARY PATH OF HUMANS, EARTH, OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER IS BECAUSE IT IS ALL EDUCATED GUESSING. THATS RIGHT GUESSING. THERE IS SOMETHING MUCH GREATER THAN ANY SCIENTIST THAT CREATED IT ALL. WE CAN KEEP DIGGING UP DIRT AND GUESSING OVER EVERY BONE THAT WE FIND, THATS PERFECTLY WELL AND GOOD. YOU WILL FIND THAT ALL THAT WILL BE DUG UP WILL BE MORE QUESTIONS! BUT IT DOESN'T WEAKEN MY FAITH TO READ YOUR COMMENTS, IT ACTUALLY STRENGTHENS MY FAITH... BECAUSE THIS WAS ALL PREDICTED LOOOONNGGGG BEFORE ANY OF YOU, AND IT WILL BE STILL TRUE LONG AFTER YOUR GONE AND YOUR BONES ARE BEING DUG UP! THE HOLY BIBLE...CHECK IT OUT SOMETIME IF YOU WANT....OR DON'T IF YOU DON'T WANT TO! ITS YOUR CHOICE! SO MAKE YOUR CHOICE AND THEN LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR CHOICE BUT LEAVE THIS POOR MAN ALONE. ALL GLORY BE TO GOD.

        September 9, 2011 at 9:07 am |
      • Doug

        Jessica, the sky is purplish-green. There will be people who tell you I am wrong, but I have foretold of their coming. This means I have predicted it and they are liars.

        See how that works? Anyone who wants to spin a lie to fools will tell you they will be contradicted. It's a catch-all. Only the truly blind will believe it.

        September 9, 2011 at 10:06 am |
      • Druid

        Luckily, I possess magic to protect me against such an event. It comes from the Gods of yore, when men were men, and mice were mice, and Muslims did not exist.

        September 9, 2011 at 10:38 am |
      • Anthony

        Muhammad and Jesus are both dead. I'm not sure incantations has anything to do with ancient skeletal remains.

        September 9, 2011 at 11:02 am |
      • Judas Priest

        Up here in space
        I'm looking down on you
        My lasers trace
        Everything you do
        You think you've private lives, think nothing of the kind
        There is no true escape, I'm watching all the time
        I'M MADE OF METAL
        MY CIRCUITS GLEAM
        I AM PERPETUAL, I KEEP THE COUNTRY CLEAN

        September 9, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
      • mag

        I didnt read your stupid post. Instead, i drew a picture of Muhammad wearing a skirt with flowers, and a blouse with pictures of butterflies, and a big coc.k. jammed up his arse. just the way he liked it.

        September 9, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
      • ireuel

        You Say:

        and all that are on earth will be stricken with terror, except such as God wills [to exempt]: and in utter lowliness all will come unto Him.

        So whom is exempt? Terror we know and we don't frighten easily. So do what you may and we shall respond ten fold. So let it be written so let it be done. And have a nice day.

        September 9, 2011 at 2:16 pm |
      • WillH85

        Yep, because it's written in an old book means it must be true. But seriously, go back to your cave. That thing you're using to spread your hate with, it came to be because of inventors and scientists, people that didn't accept things as they were. So put down the computer, go back to where Islamic law rules, and have fun beating your wife.

        September 9, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
      • Sodapophead

        God is a lie, given to control society.

        September 9, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
      • Ghostbuster

        There is no god....Only Zool!!!!!!

        September 9, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
      • Jean-Sartre

        I really think you need to get back on your MEDS... MAN created GOD to explain his lonely, insignificant existence!

        September 9, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
      • satanbug

        Haaaaa...good luck on that score....wasn't that written by a dude sniffing gas in a cave??? What a crock of nonsense....your pal mohammed didn't even know why the sun came up in the morning...yeah I'm gonna listen to him

        September 10, 2011 at 10:29 am |
      • ERH

        Do the posters replying to this message with such angst not embrace the clear message presented here? Does it really matter who sent it? It is, or should be, intuitive. Whether you have hatred for Muhammad or Christ – men you clearly do not know – doesn't matter. The wisdom is in the message and many of you have shown a disdain for knowledge and wisdom. If you cannot embrace this, then what can you embrace? Hatred and ignorance? The message clearly is for those of you who harbor hatred for even being counseled. Your ability to reason has been compromised by your lost souls. May God have mercy on you all.

        September 10, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
      • Sagebrush Shorty

        And Elvis is alive and working at the Wal-Mart in Winnemucca,Nevada.

        September 10, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
      • Guest

        Silly, deluded fool cowering before your imaginary god instead of embracing this, the one, and ONLY, life you will have and trying to drag everyone else down to your level of ignorance and fear. Sad!

        September 10, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
      • koga001

        I despise when a scientific article is posted and mindless apes quote bible verses at it rather than attempt to support or refute it using discourse. Evolution is a fact, and religion is dying. Good riddance.

        September 11, 2011 at 8:31 am |
      • KeepItReal

        Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married her when she was six years old, and he consummated her in marriage when she was nine years old. Then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

        September 11, 2011 at 8:45 am |
      • marty

        Islam is a religion so confident in it's beliefs it puts you to death if you express doubt or question it's teachings. I think Muhammad got an STD from a prostitute then went crazy and wrote the quoran.

        September 11, 2011 at 8:52 am |
      • John Galt

        During the life of Mohammed, one day one of his servants informed him that one of his wives, Fareen, was planning to leave him. Mohammed immediately went over to the wives' tent and found Fareen packing her belongings.

        Mohammed asked her, 'is it true that you wish to leave me?' Through her tears, Fareen nodded her head 'yes'. So Mohammed asked her, 'but why??'

        Fareen then told him, "it's because the other wives are all calling you a pedophile".

        Mohammed then smiled, gently touched her shoulder and said "that's a mighty big word for a 8 year old".

        September 11, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
      • Acromyrmex-versicolor

        Only in this day and age does commentary on an article about human evolution immediately devolve into mindless ranting about Islam...

        September 11, 2011 at 7:03 pm |
      • RJ

        Muhammad needs that story to make him feel safe. Someone to tell him he's ok because at heart he's just a little boy looking for mommy to make everything alright. The idea of God makes him feel strong because he is really weak inside. I understand I was there once, then I grew up. I would hate to see him without mommy or daddy, that could be dangerous. Yes Muhammad you are saved and everyone else is doomed. Congratulations!

        September 11, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
      • Atheist

        Like lawyers, the world would be a much happier place without them (lawyers & religion).

        September 12, 2011 at 2:27 am |
      • Pointless1

        earth2loons – seriously? you're lazy as heII to not be able to read a whole three paragraphs...

        September 12, 2011 at 3:13 am |
      • Jorge

        Like all raving megalomanics thoroughout history who have amassed a following of the irate, deluded hopeful and gullible, religious persecution and genocide proponents (no matter who they are or which religion they profess), are no better than the likes of Attila the Hun, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler or Idi Amin. This leads me to believe that religion has absolutely NOTHING to do with God, as it has historically proven to be an instrument of self-service of the few fuelled by the oppression of the many.

        September 12, 2011 at 7:49 am |
      • MarkPA

        Because a tome written by a MAN based on his DREAMS is so much more BELIEVABLE than scientific evidence based on physical fact.

        The problem with religion is that the dogmatic can justify every hatred, fantasy, bigotry and ignorance with merely reinterpretting the words of a long dead warrior who used his "Dreams" to justify his murderous ideas and looked to become immortal in the eyes of history or reinterpretting the words of desert bound clerics and religious oppressors claiming their "Messiah" was a direct result of "Immaculate Conception".

        Oddly, these same people will discount, vehemently, the existence of extra-terrestrial life forms by making the very same arguments against thatt that would also dispel their ideas on God, Jesus and Muhammed.

        September 12, 2011 at 7:58 am |
      • CvG

        And on that Day the trumpet [of judgment] will be sounded, and all [creatures] that are in the heavens and all that are on earth will be stricken with terror, except such as God wills [to exempt]: and in utter lowliness all will come unto Him.

        So will Lucy [and Karabo] get to come? Maybe then [we can get] some answers.

        What is with the [ ]s – and why does an Islamist even read science articles – is that like Moslem intellectual pornography? Very naughty, Mohammed.

        September 12, 2011 at 9:19 am |
      • Exqmaster2

        I really like that verse. It talks about false prophets. Mohamed might have wrote this, but it is in the bible as well as in Torah! You'd think it means that I am telling the true prophecy and the rest of you are lying! That is what every religion speaks of: Believe in me and not in them for they do not know what they speak! If everybody is saying that, then who is saying "Believe in them for they speak the truth!" ? I wonder.
        Jesus christ preached against violence, yet we have been at war with Muslims since the crusades. Christians at war with christians as well as muslims against muslims because of the above saying. When will it stop? When will religion be about the message and not with my god is better than your god? Cause as far as i am concerned, there is no God, just a supreme being with many nicknames. and when we go up in heaven? Don't be suprised that good natured atheists will walk in to "heaven" faster than these socalled God fearing Bible Torah and Q'ouran thumping hate mongers and religious zealots.
        We all say that our religions talk about loving each other in peace and harmony. Why don't we practice this?

        September 12, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
      • Abdullah

        There is no conflict between Science and Islam...

        "And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together when He pleases." (Al Quran 42:30)

        The Arabic word فِيْهِمَا is very specific here and means 'in both,' implying earth and the heavens both contain physical life. The word used here for life is دَآبَّةٍ which means physical life and there is no reason to invoke spiritual life here. If this verse pertained to life after death then by definition it cannot be called a sign of God as is mentioned in the beginning of the verse. The last part of the verse also predicts that 'Allah has the power to gather them together when He pleases.'

        September 14, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
      • Nietzsche

        "God is Dead". We have killed him with science.

        October 3, 2011 at 7:27 pm |
      • KEVIN2121961

        Muhammad, then those anthropoligist must be killed in the name of Alah ( you are such a nut and a sub-species that will eventually die out)

        August 9, 2012 at 7:23 am |
      • samiam

        God is Man's Worst creation!

        August 21, 2012 at 3:56 am |
    • WhatWhatWhat?

      Just another worthless fairy tale book. What's with all the brackets, did you put those in there? Without asking Allah, shame on you. It looks and sounds like the Unibomber's manifesto.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
    • SmarterthantheBible

      You shouldn't need an imaginary friend or a fictional book to guide you to being a good person.. . Religion was created to control the masses and keep order. Nice thought, until wars over religious opinion started. O wait NOW religion is the cause of most, if not all of the wars this world has seen. Everyone who thinks the Bible is fact needs a history class.. Constantine and his predessors edit the Bible we know today to fit the needs of their empires.. soo, unless GOD wrote it- it's just another fiction best seller.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
      • CMulier

        So all the major empires and wars of the world are based on religion ? really ? I must have read different history books than the ones you read in school – if you in fact did study history.

        September 8, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
      • Believer

        You say wars were mostly based on religion? Really? How about the cold war between USA and USSR? What about America-Vietnam war? What about brutal invasion of China by the Japanese? Wars between England and France before-during-and-after Napoleon's time. The Viking's invasion of England? Or wars by Alexander, the great murderer? Or wars by Chengis Khan, the great murderer? Do you have any answer?

        September 8, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
      • Steve

        Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Edward Gibbon

        September 8, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
      • emodido

        I was going to let this just pass by in observance but the examples used were so absurd that I couldn't help myself. Are you seriously saying the Cold War had no religious implications? Who could ever forget the "Evil Empire" speech by Reagan? Did you sleep during the 80s when religion was being used to support the ills of communism? I won't even go on to the rest.

        September 8, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
      • Larry

        You can say anything you want about our beleif in God, but if I really didnt beleif in Him people like you would have to go underground, my hate for so called atheists is so intence I would not be able to control myself, its my fear and Love of God that keeps me from falling into this horrible temptation.
        "I know you will think I am being radical but I am shareing the truth with you". You should be happy that we have this fear of failing our God.
        Larry

        September 8, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
      • emodido

        So Larry, let me get this straight. You are saying that the world is safer because you believe in god, and if there were no god then you would kill everyone who does not believe in god. So, your assurance that there is a god makes it safer for those who don't believe in a god because otherwise you would be a murderer for a god people don't believe in. That's seriously messed up.

        September 8, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
      • Venusian

        I couldn't have said it better. Religion is but a means of controlling the masses.

        September 8, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
      • John

        Sigh. If you believe in being good, then you are religious. Good vs bad. Why are there always polar extremes. I think when the answers are revealed we will all be ashamed of how we behave. Even th scientists bicker amongst themselves and call each others theories "religious and fairy tales". Those of you who laugh at the IDEA of god have given blind acceptance to men. Who have continuously proven to be wrong. So very strange

        September 9, 2011 at 11:19 am |
      • magnus

        @Believer, you are correct. Not every war was due to religion. But, every war is conducted by humans in the image of god.

        September 9, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
      • AMcCaffrey

        Wars are fought over resources and power – but religion often serves as justification...

        September 11, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
    • Aharown

      “There is no need to be worried by facetious people who try to make the Christian hope of ‘Heaven’ ridiculous by saying they do not want ‘to spend eternity playing harps’. The answer to such people is that if they cannot understand books written for grown-ups, they should not talk about them." C.S Lewis

      September 8, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
      • Some Guy

        Then obviously C.S Lewis needs to shut up about it aswell.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
      • b3aner w3iner

        Shameless self promotion... indicating to anyone that they shouldn't read adult books, coming from an author who writes children's books.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
      • b3aner w3iner

        correction,, "wrote"

        September 8, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
      • Correction

        He wrote a lot more than children's books. Look it up.

        September 8, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
      • Kyle

        Well, if the bible was written for grown-ups, then perhaps they should have used some editors to get rid of the lies and contradictions before us nay-sayers found out about them.

        September 8, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
      • Kyle

        Well, if the bible was written for grown-ups, then perhaps they should have used some editors to get rid of the lies and contradictions before we found out about them.

        September 8, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
      • Mike

        The Bible was written by goat herders for goat herders.

        September 9, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
      • b3aner w3iner

        @Correction, I did not say that he wrote only children's books. In fact, I looked the matter up up before I posted my comment.

        September 9, 2011 at 11:42 pm |
      • Reader

        So if the bible is the literal word of 'God' which version is the 'correct' version and why are there so many impostors. Is NRSV right? or King James" or 'the Jefferson bible' or any one of a dozen others. As for the argument the prophet Mohammad is a pedophile the same would be true for the one who impregnated Mary; she was 13 (at most) at the time of the conception of Jeshua. It is foolish and self deceiving to apply modern standards to ancient cultures.

        September 10, 2011 at 7:48 am |
      • 60minuteman

        I have some of those adult books for grownups. I especially like the pictures.

        September 10, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    • kevin

      you gotta be kidding me. we were all placed here. do you honestly think i'm stupid enough to believe that shazaaam we just grew from an microbe or an organism to evolve on this planet. Search for Spock suggests that even if a planet was made from scratch you'd have to have someone put on it to evolve not evolve from it in it's process of creation. This is crap. God made this planet and put all of us here or someone did. We are not from here. If you think we are the only species in this galaxy or universe you are sorely mistaken. the dinosaurs also tell a much different tale. It appears they were exterminated by an asteroid or a comet and then suddenly we evolved. Your going to tell me they grew from this planet also? nope not buying it.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
      • Eric

        Your ignorance and lack of imagination seem to imply a lack of intelligent design.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
      • what

        So you believe a magic man in the sky made us with magic and put us here? Theres evidence and factual theories for microevololution. None for religion because religion is a whole lot of bull shit. You people pray to an imaginary being in the sky because you cant comprehend the idea of organisms changing over time .

        September 8, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
      • aster

        Wow, Kevin. I don't know where to start with this post. You are not buying that we evolved on this planet and so you think we must be "put" here by someone? Does that really sound like a good explanation to you? Pretty crazy world you must live in then. Kind of magical, where something can be created of nothing and then require no further explanation. Do you understand that we share some features with microbes, that you mention, such as some basic principles of life sycle, DNA, chemistry, etc. Why do you think that is if we were just "put" here? And if we came from a different planet, how do you think it happened, what brought us to Earth and why do we share so much with other species all the way down to microbes that you mention? The sad thing is that you are using computers and other technology which were invented by scientists and I am sure that you are using medicines that were created by biologists, yet you think you are not "stupid' enough to buy into the scientific claim that we evolved from tiny bits of protein over myriads of ages. So you are ok with using the tangible products of scientific research, yet consider yourself smarter than scientists because you believe in your dead-end fantasies. God, I hope people like you can change with a bit of education.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
      • digitaldemon62

        you must have never seen the research that completey shows how everything on this earth is made up of the same elements found in stars, asteroids, meteors, etc etc. we have evolved from stardust to be blunt. when has anything magical or holy ever happened to you? apparently used to happen all the time 2000 years ago but somehow just stopped happening. dont be so naive. religion has been used to control populations, make money (some churches are some of the most profitable businesses in the world), and start wars. sure theres the faith aspect in it. but god never said in the bible you need to attend church. but millions do every week. what is free will and freedom of thought if these supposed truths are never proven? you are just being suckered into believing an unknown.

        point is. everything on this earth came from space. and it has been proven. and even most world reknown scholars, physicists, etc, etc do not believe there to be a god. Something cannot be created out of nothing. it is physically impossible.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
      • mo

        Last time I checked, a human cell was as complex in parts as an entire major US city – and humans are still unable to reproduce one. All past theories about natural cell creations have been debunked. DNA is so complex that it removes all possibilities of being a part of evolution and points straight to a creator's hand, or better, a signature. And furthermore, nothing can explain, in case we actually did evolve, why we would evolve in the ways we have. Not trying to sell you anything here but facts.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
      • cyclobrown

        no there was no shazzam moment. billions of years actually.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
      • Reson & Logic

        Watch the history Channel's Ancient Aliens series and you will realize that all past exterminations on this planet were done by aliens and that the human line was introduced by them and helped to evolve according to their plan. They will revisit us probably in 2012 or later. All the stories in the Bible, the Koran, the Mahabharata, and even the Mayan and Aztec codex are of alien visitations misinterpreted by the people observing them.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
      • doughnuts

        You're obviously stupid enough to believe that one of a dozen collections of mythological stories is true.

        "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." – Stephen F Roberts.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
      • Frank Mondana

        Well, at least you site a Star Trek movie for your thesis. You just can't argue with that.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
      • Iconoclast

        So, let me get this straight. You are using a Star Trek movie to try to disprove evolution? Really?

        September 8, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
      • Martin

        If you are going to reference Star Trek to prove evolution then you have to carry thru the entire trek story line that an ancient race called the Progenitors seeded the entire galaxy with DNA similary to there own that is why all habital planets have developed huminoid spieces. So again no god but an advanced alien life form.

        September 8, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
      • Simon

        You yourself grew from 2 cells to a human being in only 9 months. Why do you think it so improbable that this is the same path as described by evolution that took place over billions of years?

        September 8, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
      • Total Nonsense

        how does it feel, Kevin, to be the number one idiot in the universe? i mean how can someone beleive that a fictional character created the universe? What kind of morron will beleive that a great magicien created the human race? How low is your IQ? Religion is a LIE and GOD DOES NOT EXIST, now you will have to accept REALITY.

        Religion is a illness you should seek MEDICAL HELP NOW.

        September 9, 2011 at 10:40 am |
      • Amused

        So, Kevin, Do you think the thousands of ancient bones and artifacts that CLEARLY show a progression of evolutionary changes over thousands of years were placed in the ground by Satan just to confuse us? REALLY ?

        September 9, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
      • Ed

        "shazaam"?! – No, we don't expect you to believe it all happened in an instant. It took about 3 billion years.

        September 9, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
      • isolate

        Kevin, you cannot support any of the claims you make with evidence that will stand up to scientific scrutiny. Science is based on real, provable, repeatable, falsifiable data. Faith has no need for evidence, as Galileo's battle with the Catholic Church over his heliocentric hypothesis demonstrated. As the unknown author of the Epistle to the Hebrews said, "Now, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." ~ Heb 11:1 (KJV)

        This is the unbridgeable chasm between faith and science: the first operates on belief and has no need of proof. The second is based on proof and is constantly tested for validity. Note that new discoveries are slowly absorbed into science after rigorous challenges have tested them and found them to be true. Organized belief systems do not accept changes to their doctrine.

        An excellent example of this is the Mormon belief system: it's still going strong, even though not a shred of outside evidence has been found to substantiate the account given in the Book of Mormon of the activities of the descendants of Jewish immigration to North (or South, or Central) America long ago. The BoM is an account of the history of these alleged people, beginning in 660 BCE and the mighty civilizations that were built up here, lasting a thousand years,and ending with a titanic battle in what is now New York state in 385 CE. ALL independent archaeological, genetic, linguistic, paleographic, and other attempts to authenticate the BoM story have failed to turn up one iota of evidence. Yet the LDS Church is growing day by day. That's the essential difference between organized belief systems and science.

        September 9, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
      • Lee

        You are not very smart.

        September 9, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
      • Jon

        So Kevin, is your divine being named "Rene Goddenberry"?

        September 10, 2011 at 9:42 am |
      • Heath

        I agree with you kevin. It is one of the laws of science that life cannot arise out of non-life. A barren planet will not suddenly begin to have life on it, no matter how simple of an organism it is. Life must have been placed here by someone who created it.

        October 3, 2011 at 8:08 pm |
    • jimmy deansausage

      this isnt anything new. this is just a sub species of an already known hominid. not sure how this even makes news. they human tree is constantly redrawn when we find new fossils. bottom line is we evolved from apes. thats all the really matters. everything else is a technicality.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
      • Jacob

        Technically, we did not evolve from apes. Apes and us evolved from a common ancestor several million years ago. Its a subtle, but very important difference. So when someone says "I did not evolve from an ape!", just say, you are correct, you did not.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
      • John Holroyd

        I am sorry but you are incorrect. Apes and humans both evolved from a common ancestor.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
      • ExAnthro

        It's true that we did not evolve directly from any modern ape; apes and humans both evolved from a common ancestor.

        It's also true that, if we came into contact with the common ancestor; we would unquestionably call it an ape. Lighten up, folks.

        September 11, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • witness

      Stick around... all will soon witness this God you despise. For a FOOL has said in his heart that there is no God.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
      • Rick

        i don't care what a book written by bronze age sheep buggerers says about pretty much anything.

        September 8, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
      • The Brown Note

        Only fools believe in lies. Of course, you've never completely read your religious text, so you have no idea what it actually says.

        Pity.

        September 8, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    • David

      Oh, Please 2 million years old. Every, Right Wing religious nut case knows.. The Earth is only 6000 years old. All these scientists and their tests are wrong.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
      • Guest

        No where in the bible does it say how old the Earth is. I'm assuming you're being sarcastic with your statement so maybe do some research or possiblly read it before commenting on it. And by chance if you are being serious....the same applies.

        September 8, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
      • Guest2

        Guest- he is serious, they are called Young Earth Creationists

        September 9, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
      • guest3

        guest –
        David's 6,000 year estimate is based on the bible's genealogoical record from Adam to Jesus, so he's not just pulling the number from nowhere. Just google the words Biblical Chronology and you will find several sites that breakdown the lineage and age of these fictional biblical characters.

        September 9, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
      • AGuest9

        Ugh! You beat me to the 6,000 year old comment.

        September 10, 2011 at 11:46 am |
      • gjensen

        The "scientific" law of cause and effect is accepted by most rational people. Regardless of what we think that we believe, everything is able to be traced back through a series of causes and effects. At some point in pre history, there has to be an original cause. Nothing happens by chance. El nihilo, nihilo fit. Out of nothing, nothing comes. Chance has no being so it cannot exert any force. Since it cannot exert any force, it cannot be a cause. There has to be an original cause.
        I do not see what I believe as being in opposition to good science. Not at least when it is sought out with a good dose of humility. We have to consider for what little we do know, there is so much that we don't know.
        What I do see as revealing is the overall animosity and arrogance in many of the responses towards anyone that believes that there is more than what our eyes have seen. I read the article with a sense of curiosity and wonder. Still my wonder always leads me back to a more original cause.

        September 11, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • LEGO MY EGGO

      Humans are like the aids virus. Super smart, very resilient, and we want to take over a living organism until we eventually kill it, and ourselves. But we may make spaceships and bounce to another living orgasism (water based planet) and murder it too. YAY!

      September 8, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
    • John

      Adolf Hitler – Catholic / Osama Bin ladin – Muslim / Joseph Stalin – Atheist
      Its sad how bad science gets so much media attention, but these so called scientist love it because this is how they get funding for there work. This is just as sad as churches passing around a collection plate. You must have strong faith to beleive in evolution, to beleive that living matter came from non-living matter. A belief based on BLIND CHANCE! Mankind does not evolve he gets more stupid everyday becoming more like an animal killing and stealing from each other.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:42 pm |
      • smlynch

        um, scientists have already been able to take "nonliving matter" and watch it evolve into the building blocks of living matter over a short period of time. It's not far-fetched to believe that over millions of years life would evolve from it. And not a single testable hypothesis derived from evolutionary theory has been disconfirmed. So, your argument is simply an argument from ignorance–a logical fallacy.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        Ummmm, don't you believe that man just appeared out of dirt, and woman was made from a rib? Sure it took some hocus-pocus mumbo jumbo from a magical sky daddy, but ... ... ... the irony.

        September 9, 2011 at 1:25 am |
      • Vicki

        Man is an animal. A vertebrate of the Animal Kingdom...

        September 10, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
    • Marivs_Marivs

      If that thing is your ancestor that's your problem. As for me, it is not.
      It's funny that we the mindless don't accept a mindless creature as an ancestor.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
      • Zebula

        Only inanimate things (e.g. rocks) are mindless. But you would know this if you didn't have a rock in your skull and read a science book.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
      • Marivs_Marivs

        Now your're talking like your ancestor.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
      • Justin

        That's your ego talking. What is so objectionable that a less evolved creature than you (well not YOU specifically, but the rest of us) existed at some point before you? Don't you see how exciting it is that we are constantly in flux, that there are more advanced iterations of us yet to come? You are a fool to believe that we are the height of anything, let alone evolution. You've clearly not ever REALLY thought about this. That's not a bite on you that suggests that you are stupid, only that you and a lot of the people writing on this post spend most of your day worrying about the immediate matters of your life, and that understandably precludes any thought about the true nature of the universe and how you connect to it. Given that, and understanding how intensely complex it all is, why default to such ridiculously oafish comments and beliefs?

        September 9, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • colleen

      Looks like a Gorilla's head.....And by the way why aren't the apes we have now not evoling....What's up with that? This is clearly an apes head. By the way Christians all believe that all species evolve (within their own species) Man cannont evolve into a dog etc. Do not be amazed at the created but be amazed by the Creator. And who made the Scientist up in the sky? And why did he not write a book?

      September 8, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
      • cyclobrwn

        check back in 2 million years, you know as old as this specimen.

        September 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
      • Rational Mind

        This question is spectacularly stupid!! The parent Ape evolved into 4 different races where humans were one – the others were chimpanzees etc. THAT PARENT APE is no longer living. Please study genetics before you bring in fairy tales. Evolution takes millions of years – don't expect to go to a zoo and see monkeys evolving!! But please read before making comments!!

        September 8, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
    • John

      I got an idea, lets make a prebiotic soup and see if it comes alive!!!! Evolution is a faith and its founder is Charles Darwin.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
      • Björn

        If we make trillions of soups and waited for a couple of billion years, I guess some really cool stuff could happen. Given the size of the universe the odds doesn't have to be that good. Actually, one successful soup would be enough.

        The odds of a god suddenly coming by seems lower to me.... i'd go with the soup!

        September 8, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
      • nmgirl

        already been done, google miller-urey experiments.

        September 9, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
      • the joker

        John!!! You just got 'flushed'!!!

        September 10, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
      • Faithistheevidenceofthingshopedfor

        @John.... Amen. Everyone must choose where they place their faith: In an intelligent, Almighty God or in an unprovable theory that devoids life of hope and purpose.

        September 13, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • Faye

      Actually, Homo habilis is the earliest member of the Homo genus. My physical anthropology professor would cry.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
      • elandau

        Hi Faye, according to these researchers, there is actually a lot of controversy surrounding whether Homo habilis truly belongs in the Homo genus.

        Thanks for reading!

        Elizabeth Landau, CNN

        September 12, 2011 at 10:02 am |
    • gary

      god is pretend 🙂

      September 8, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • Atheist

      Put another tickmark on science and reason vs. religion. Just more proof that we are right and religion is wrong. The bible is evil, god doesn't exist and one day man will look back at this point in time and call us primitive for even believing such non-sense about gods or god. Everyone laughs at the thought of Zeus or Jupiter or egyptian gods....why? Because it's not real. Contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

      And believe it or not but we are all atheists!! You look across the street before you walk, you take medications for sickness right? Stop doing anything that relys on science and just pray then and see where that will get you. Supposedly everyone had read the bible but you don't really follow any of it. Certainly won't kill another for working on Sunday right? Says so in the bible. Punishment is death. So go ahead and follow that.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
      • duder

        what does evil mean?

        September 8, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
      • Atheist

        Look in the bible and read and you will see it.

        morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked:

        September 8, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
      • Jd

        That's an interesting prediction and glad your keeping score. Btw, where did the first life form come from? Let me guess, it manifested out of thin air and then proceeded to evolve into a complex life form that has a brain that contains billions of neurons. That takes more faith than believing in God.....

        September 8, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
      • Atheist

        Pretty much. Scientist are working on where did the first life form come from. I can say that it first started with amino acids which is the building blocks of life. You are not going to see evolution in your life time. It happens over a LONG period of time there smart guy. Not in a hundred years but thousands and thousands of years if not mllions upon millions. I'll believe in proof of fossils than a flying spahetti monster anyday. Furthermore,
        Many believers will say, "It is impossible for you to prove that God (Allah, Ra, Vishnu, whatever) does not exist. There is no way to prove that something does not exist." This is a silly argument for the following reason.

        Imagine that we have a conversation one day and I say to you, "I believe in the gerflagenflopple. You cannot prove that the gerflagenflopple does not exist, therefore it exists." You can see that this is ridiculous. Just because I have invented something out of thin air does not mean that its non-existence is suddenly unprovable. There has to be some evidence that the gerflagenflopple exists in order to assert its existence. Since there is not, it is quite easy to say that the gerflagenflopple is imaginary.

        Now let's imagine that we have a conversation one day and I say to you, "I believe in Leprechauns. You cannot prove that Leprechauns do not exist, therefore they exist." You actually have heard of Leprechauns. There are lots of books, movies and fairy tales dealing with Leprechauns. People talk about Leprechauns all the time. Leprechauns even have a popular brand of breakfast cereal. But that does not mean that Leprechauns exist. There is no physical evidence for the existence of Leprechauns. Not a single bit. Therefore, it is obvious to any normal person that Leprechauns are imaginary.

        If you think about it, you will realize that there is no difference between God and Leprechauns. Lots of people talk about God as though he exists, but there is no actual evidence for God's existence. For example:

        God has never left any physical evidence of his existence on earth.

        All historical gods were imaginary and we know it. (see this page)

        None of Jesus' "miracles" left any physical evidence either. (see this page)

        God has never spoken to modern man, for example by taking over all the television stations and broadcasting a rational message to everyone.

        The resurrected Jesus has never appeared to anyone. (see this page)

        The Bible we have is provably incorrect and is obviously the work of primitive men rather than God. (see this page)

        When we analyze prayer with statistics, we find no evidence that God is "answering prayers." (see this page)

        Huge, amazing atrocities like the Holocaust and AIDS occur without any response from God.

        And so on…
        There is absolutely no evidence indicating that God exists. There is a tremendous amount of empirical evidence that God does not exist. Therefore we can conclusively say that God is imaginary. That is the only thing that a rational person can say.
        Another angle

        Here is a second way to look at the same question.

        With every other object and phenomenon in our experience, we use the scientific method to determine whether it exists or not. For example, X rays are invisible, but we know that they exist. We can devise scientific experiments to prove that they exist. Then, once proven to exist, X-rays can be used predictably in all sorts of beneficial ways.

        If you would like to hypothesize that God exists, then you should say to yourself, "Let's devise a repeatable scientific experiment to provide evidence that God exists." Every experiment we devise demonstrates, yet again, that God is imaginary.

        Isn't it odd that God, unlike everything else in our universe, has been put into a special category? When we talk about God, we are supposed to do so "philosophically." Why? Why not treat God just like all other objects and devise experiments to detect his presence or absence?

        The classic religious response is, "God must remain hidden. If he proved his existence, that would take away faith." This is clever - here we have an object named God that proves its existence by completely hiding its existence. Of course, in the real world, any object that provides no evidence for its existence is classified as imaginary.

        Even more interesting, this object called God, which is supposedly hiding its existence completely, is in the meantime supposedly writing books, answering prayers and incarnating itself. How can that be? This obvious contradiction shows how imaginary God is. When we look at prayer scientifically, we find that "answered prayers" are actually nothing but coincidences. When we look at the Bible scientifically, ethically or rationally, we find that the Bible is wrong. When we look at all of Jesus' miracles scientifically, we find that none of them left behind any scientific or historical evidence. Nor, for that matter, did Jesus, nor did Jesus' resurrection. Strangely, not a single historical source independent of the Bible ever mentions the resurrection.

        The reason why we can find no empirical evidence for God's existence is not because "God is a magical being completely able to hide from us." It is because God is imaginary.

        September 8, 2011 at 8:08 pm |
      • JD

        If you would like to hypothesize that God exists, then you should say to yourself, "Let's devise a repeatable scientific experiment to provide evidence that God exists." Every experiment we devise demonstrates, yet again, that God is imaginary.....this actually exist and it's called prayer. For example: I pray for peace, patience, compassion etc and I am granted these things. I believe because this belief has yielded invaluable and remarkable results not because someone told me to...

        September 8, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
      • Atheist

        What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

        Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
        We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
        Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

        This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus - according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

        If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

        Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
        If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
        In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

        For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
        If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.
        In Matthew 21:21:

        I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
        If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."
        The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:

        Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
        If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.
        In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:

        "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." [ref]
        Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No – Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.
        We see the same thing over and over again...

        In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:

        Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
        In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:
        And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
        In Mark 9:23:
        All things are possible to him who believes.
        In Luke 1:37:
        For with God nothing will be impossible.
        Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.
        And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of "inspired" human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.

        September 8, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
      • kingnpriest

        Athiest, your comments are so ignorent and misleading, they are making me sick to my stomach. You do well to quote Jesus, but no nothing of the meaning of His comments. We can't pray against the will of God, and right now it is not the will of God to alleviate all human suffering such as disease. This will occur after this current age, where we live under a curse, even after being born again, of which you are not. You have no way to pray to God, until you are in Christ as a believer. Until then, your prayers are not heard. GET RIGHT with God, John 14:6!!

        September 10, 2011 at 3:58 am |
      • fimeilleur

        @ kingnpriest.

        Cry me a freak'n river...

        September 10, 2011 at 4:01 am |
      • chaz

        God is a scientist. This is an experiment. And perhaps one day we will look back and think we are primitive for believing in stuff. But then one day farther perhaps they will think the more advanced us were primitive also for believing there is no God. Religion does not have a trademark on God. God might not exist ( she does but its complicated) but your 'religion' is atheism. And you probably spend a lot of time and thought thinking about God... So you dont believe but God is on Yo Mind. Fool.

        September 10, 2011 at 10:06 am |
      • the joker

        To 'athiest'..... sorry but you are wasting your breath on the 'brainwashed' and 'lowbrow' on this post. Christianity has had 2000 years to perfect all their answers to any possible questioning of the bible....(I.E.Earth not flat? its not supposed to be 'literal'!, etc.)Even though it was completely believed in the past, when it was shown to be enormously incorrect, they could fall back on "You do not understand the ways of god". Leave them to their ignorance, as, only at death when they see no heaven, maybe they will, for a nano-second, realize they have been duped!

        September 10, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
      • gjensen

        Atheist, to not believe in God you sure have spent a lot of time on the subject. In fact, I will go so far as to say that you are not an atheist. I here a lot of spouses in divorce that say repeatedly that they hate the other spouse. I see instead a lot of hurt and frustration, a feeling of being let down. Maybe it easier that way.
        I think that it requires more faith to not believe than to believe. There has to be an original cause, regardless of any stand on evolution etc. There isn't any chance in science either. There are causes and effects. Out of nothing, nothing comes. That is not disputable for science or religion.
        I tell you the truth ,what you might call nature (and to me creation) if it does prove to be chance or a series of random events (yes events) then it is even more amazing to have become so beautiful. Still I see a series of causes and effects with an original cause.
        Atheist to me I see an incomparable amount of evidence for a creator, an intelligent one beyond our imagination and above our thinking. I believe that he reveals himself in creation. I see how high he is in the mountain tops, how deep he is in the canyons, how vast he is in the heavens, how big he is in the oceans. I see evidences of him in my life and the world around me.
        "as the waves of Hawaii, are generated by storms off of Japan; I can't see your face, but I see the evidence of your hands." Everything is a series of causes and effects.

        September 11, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
      • fimeilleur

        @ gjensen,

        So the original cause... what caused it? What is so intelligent about creating your favourite animal (man) and limiting him to less than 20% of the earth's surface for survival? What's so intelligent about creating your favourite animal to be so frail and vulnerable? What's so intelligent about any of it? No, the workings of the world, as explained through science, are just as accurate whether there is a god or not... so why add him to the mix? He's just a placebo.

        September 12, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • Marivs_Marivs

      And the tribe of the homo-brutus-brutus started worshiping the homo-1.0, homo-2.0, homo-3.0... homo-n.n.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • Mike Linski

      I hope your not talking about the Bible because it's full of contradictions, flaws, people talking about others in third person, lies, deceit, racism, bloodshed, reincarnation, super natural births, walking on water...
      Go to any Seminary School and you will find out that you have been taking marching orders from this book.
      This goes for ALL religions.
      When are you people going to get out of the stone ages Mr. Flinstone?

      September 8, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • Thad

      Hello,
      How are you?
      My idea is:
      Let's be more respectful to each others ideas.
      Let's use proper words for peoples beliefs.
      It does not hurt anyone to believe in God.
      It only makes people more peaceful and humane.
      People who uses and abuses religion for their personal benefits are the ones we should target.
      We can not curse at people who are talking about living together in peace, harmony, tolerance and forgiveness.
      We should all fight against ignorance, poverty and disunity.
      United we stand, divided we fall.
      God Bless America.
      Have a nice day.

      September 8, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
      • Doug

        I would like you to talk to the victims who were deemed "witches" about "humane and peaceful". Burning at the stake and being thrown into lakes to drown was not exactly humane or peaceful.

        September 9, 2011 at 11:14 am |
      • Truth

        @ Thad – you are IGNORANT of the TRUTH !
        Let's be more respectful to each others ideas. DANGEROUS ideas do not merit respect
        Let's use proper words for peoples beliefs. - DELUSION
        It does not hurt anyone to believe in God. - What planet are you on? – http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
        It only makes people more peaceful and humane. - LIAR! – http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
        We should all fight against ignorance – especially YOUR OWN – http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

        Education IS AVAILABLE – try to learn to think RATIONALLY and get informed

        September 11, 2011 at 11:16 am |
    • jaymes35

      Nice to see all of the intelligent comments on here about what the article is about. Thank God no one here is whining like babies about religion and name calling. Is this a comment board or Romper Room?

      September 8, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
      • Dale

        How tremendously AWESOME!!! Cheers to you, man. Cheers!

        September 8, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    • Paual Dutcher

      Key Phrase is ....

      "that would mean that heel anatomy would have evolved from advanced to primitive to advanced again – which is unlikely. Alternatively, Lucy's species may be more of a cousin to Australopithecus sediba, and to our genus, on the evolutionary tree, rather than an immediate relative"

      If you believe that I have some land in Florida to sell you

      Fact is if evolution were true we would have millions of intermediate skeletons. All they come up with is a handfull of pigs teeth and a few himan skelatons that don't add up.

      September 9, 2011 at 8:33 am |
      • the joker

        Boy.....you need to read more and open your eyes to PROOF!!!!!
        And, please, learn how to spell next time!!

        September 10, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
      • the joker

        .....and what is wrong with Florida land....it's really quite expensive and pretty there. Stupid!!!(you are supposed to allude to swampland or the Brooklyn Bridge)

        September 10, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Chase

      Books are created by humans. They dont just poof out of thin our by a higher power. BOOKS ARE BOOKSSSSSSSSSSS......people are so fn stupid to think their are truth behind these books. Look around you at what is real, what you can touch. Faith is great and all but terrorist and christian nutjobs are becoming a virus to society.

      September 9, 2011 at 9:11 am |
    • bob

      Why do dumb people read science articles anyways. go read ur fairytale books

      September 9, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • Catholicperson

      Am I the only one here that belives Science and religion are compatible? Seriously, the creation story is probably just a literary device used to explain the unexpainable.

      September 9, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
      • the joker

        Hahahahahaa......see 'athiest'? Just what I said in my earlier post!!!!

        September 10, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
      • the joker

        I knew it would not be long until one of these 'air-heads' spouted this baloney!!!!

        September 10, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • Robert O

      Most of you readers have the attention span of a Nat. Read the article and reply to it, not someone that quotes the Qur'an.

      September 9, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    • Maxine

      In the beginning, there was absolutely NOTHING. (Never mind about previous universes. They also had to come from something.)

      September 9, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • Future Case Scenario

      Imagine couple hundred thousand years from now where our history is lost to those looking back. They are curious about same origins as we are. So one day they find the skull of an orangatang or chimp from our present time and they think ..... hmmmm is this where we come from? They look at the similariities, create hypothesis that this creature has the ability to walk on two legs, but probably does not most of their lives. But since they have the ability, that is part of the human lineage, which we all know is wrong. Think people, think.

      September 9, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
      • kyle

        The only way they would think that is if no modern human remains were found (which considering there is a few billion more humans then orangutans, highly unlikely). In this case like ALL cases of comparative anatomy and taxonomy, scientists consider all the similarities, and all the differences, compare with other possibilities, then choose the skeleton most similar to a living species to consider the transitional fossil of the ancestor of the modern species.

        September 11, 2011 at 2:20 am |
    • MK

      Evolution and God have at least one thing in common, neither is really affected by whether you believe in them or not.

      September 10, 2011 at 12:13 am |
    • Iron Maiden

      Revelations–Is it about religion, or about washing the car? I'd say it's about opening a pair of curtains.

      Just a babe in a black abyss
      No reason for a place like this
      Walls are cold, souls cry out in pain.
      An easy way for the blind to go
      A clever path for the fools who know
      The secret of the hanged man, the smile on his lips.

      September 11, 2011 at 9:38 am |
    • Realist

      Lets remember that evolution is still just a theory. So believing in evolution is just as believing in any religion. Check out what the creation science points out, if you really are a true believer in science.

      September 11, 2011 at 11:52 am |
      • gods_special_snowflake

        Evolution is a fact – the Theory of Evolution is the theory that best currently explains evolution. Why don't you learn a little something about it before you start slamming it and parroting other creationist/IDer's catchphrases?

        September 12, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • Realist

      evolution is just a theory yet it is mindlessly accepted by many.

      September 11, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • Michael

      Mindless, interesting statement when we look at the state of our community, country and world. This Book will change our lives for the better if we would let it. It's your choice. Do we actually believe everything that Science teaches us...that something was created from nothing? I've never seen that, nor have they, but this is what Science is now teaching. Given enough time something will appear. Now that is mindless.

      September 11, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • your a moron

      nice try at looking bright perhaps you will use that spark to set your self alight you muppet..

      September 12, 2011 at 7:24 am |
    • Moe Smith

      God doesn't leave evidence. That way no one can prove or disprove anything. the mindless sheeple will believe whatever they are spoon fed and the self-righteous atheists can say, "OH YEA! Prove it! See!!! You CAN'T!"

      September 12, 2011 at 10:28 am |
    • John P. Tarver

      In 1853 their was the attempt to publsh the book, sans ant study, but then in 1859 the racism was published with ant study and the rest is pretty much as you write anon,

      September 4, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
  99. Tonelok

    @wisdom4u2
    What about the Nephilims? You need to be more constructive when yelling on a message board. Are you trying to say they were the creators of modern humans, or they are the ancestors? Please provide your theory and evidence to support said theory, so that it can be considered.
    .
    'Nothing can get done when people with great ideas take sides'-Me...

    September 8, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
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