Your thoughts on evolution
Researchers found hand bones of an adult female Australopithecus sediba in Malapa, South Africa.
September 12th, 2011
12:56 PM ET

Your thoughts on evolution

We knew our story on a possible human ancestor called Australopithecus sediba would be controversial, but never expected more than 1,900 comments to come in.

The post generated some pretty intense discussions involving readers who do not believe these new findings - or any evidence of human evolution, for that matter - because of their religious beliefs.

blake

Maybe your ancestor, not mine. I was created in the image of God, not evolved from from some lifeless goo over billions of years. The accident of time and chance. I don't have enough faith to believe those kind of fantastical fairy tales.

Religious sentiments such as this received a lot of backlash from readers such as gary, who writes:

Evolution is fact. Deities and demons are pretend. Bible is folklore, myth, superstition and legend.

There's also a large contingent of readers who don't see a contradiction between accepting the facts of science and having religious faith. Judas Priest writes:

Excuse me, but why does believing in god mean denying the wonders of creation that you can see and touch and evaluate? How does accepting that the world is billions of years old, and the universe billions of years older still, deny god? How does observing that things change over time refute god in any way? Why must god, and god's creation, be small enough to be encompassed by your tiny little mind and your tiny little book?

The hundreds of comments that formed these discussions annoyed readers like Pav, who thinks people with religious reasons for denying evolution should take their beliefs elsewhere.

Mathematicians don't have to justify the Pythagorean theorem every time they apply it to a new proof, and scientists don't need to justify evolution every time they talk about a new fossil. So, stop it!

Of course, not everyone sees it this way - earth2loons feels that evolution is a lot more controversial than the Pythagorean theorem, writing:

"...when you must eliminate the possibility of a creator from your interpretation of the data because of your own agnostic or atheistic biases, you will see what you want and need to see."

It's obvious that a lot of people have very passionate views on this topic but, this being a science blog, we are going to report with the assumption that the prevailing, tested theory with the most rigorous evidence - evolution - is true. And CNN has a Belief Blog that fosters conversations about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives.

And there's a lot of misunderstanding about evolution; it's really not as clear cut as you might think. Reader John Hanson writes:

There is always controversy surrounding the "discovery" of fossils that are supposed to bridge apes to humans because they're always plagued by assumptions made by paleontologists. They touted "Peking Man" as the "link" in the fossil chain proving evolution, then came to discover bones of homo sapiens in the same pit. There are too many assumptions and too little PROOF.

The truth is that there is no simple chain of ancestry with a "missing link" that scientists are trying to find. When we talk about the lineage of Homo sapiens, we acknowledge that there were a whole bunch of ancient relatives of various anatomical forms, some of which are more closely related to us than others. Check out this piece from Science 2.0 on the "missing link fallacy" to learn more about the complexity of tracing the evolution of our species.

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  1. palintwit

    Sarah Palin believes that early man parked their dinosaurs inside the Roman Coliseum while they were in church.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • Questionable

      Well... didnt they?

      September 12, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
    • eatdodo

      they did, didn't they? it was actually dinosaurs that pulled their chariots, right?

      September 12, 2011 at 9:15 pm |
  2. bystander

    It's a hoax, just like Piltdown Man.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • what

      You're a hoax

      September 12, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
  3. ApeMan

    Why should everyone believe in the "Theory of Evolution", and why is it taught as LAW in our schools. It has not been proven. There is more evidence in everyday life for "Intelligent Design". Heck, even you atheists can get behind ID, you can claim "Aliens" created us and left us here to evolve. You can still deny God and all will be good for you.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • Terry

      Ok, where is your evidence?

      September 12, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
  4. Data1000

    Gawd did about 6,000 years ago including planting dinossaur bones to fool the unfaithful. Wisdom is foolishness in the eyes of Gad. He'll throw you in the fire to be tortured forever, unless you accept his love.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
  5. Egads

    The difference between understanding that evolution is a fact or not understanding isn't a matter of religious faith. It's a matter of education and scientific literacy. It is sometimes hard to respect the opinions that creationists have when it becomes so quickly apparent just how little they even know about the theory or evidence they claim to disbelieve in. Most don't even seem to know what the word 'theory' means in science. Imagine trying to have a serious discussion about gravitational theory with somebody, to have them respond "gravity is just a theory, and I don't believe in it ".

    September 12, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • The Jackdaw

      Beautifully said!

      September 12, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Terry

      Perfect!

      September 12, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
  6. Jesus

    Please, do not pay any attention to the man behind the curtain, or to the process by which you evolved....

    September 12, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • hmmph

      and pay no attention to those monks who wrote the bible, or all the different versions that had to be edited to agree with each other. Pay no heed, the bible really fell from heaven, already in English too.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
    • DoesntMatter

      Thank you, Jesus. But won't sloth make us burn in hell?

      September 12, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
  7. Questionable

    Need and answere!!!! How do christans explain neanderthals, homo erectus, and homo heidelbergensis? And dont say we evolved from neanderthals because homo sapiens and neanderthals existed at the same time, so at one point in time there were two distinctly different very intelligent primates on earth. Oopps must have forgoten to put that in the Bible.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
  8. Grand Oil Party

    Whether or not we fully evolved from monkeys or not, or if we evolved from something we have to discover, the fact is we evolved from somewhere and were not created out of clay in some sky man's image and our wives certainly weren't made from one of our ribs. It seems for most of the people on this board that their brain is the last thing to evolve – still needing to cling to fairy tales because they are too dim witted to understand empirical evidence.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
  9. Michael

    I have to agree that some are evolving when others are not.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • DoesntMatter

      Actually, that is exactly how it works. However, evolving would not necessarily favor the intelligent.. just the survivors.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
  10. JT

    The ignorance concerning the theory of evolution is simply breathtaking among US Christians. Please crack open a second grade Science textbook and educate yourselves instead of spewing the lies your pastor is telling you.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • Questionable

      I agree, I believe in evolution but I also know a hell of a lot about Christianity. Why? Because it is stupid to only look at one side of an arguement

      September 12, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
    • JT

      One does not "believe" in scientific facts but "accepts" facts. One "believes" in fairies, gobblins, gods, zombies, talking snakes, religions, etc.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
    • eatdodo

      He's not lying, is he? Why just yesterday when he bung-holed me he said that God said he should do it.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:18 pm |
  11. The Jackdaw

    I always get a kick out of how the church denies evolution while it itself is always busy evolving.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • eatdodo

      My pastor's little dick gets larger when he sees me.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:39 pm |
  12. Casey

    Evolution is a load of BS and so is CNN

    September 12, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • InFormed99

      What a stupid comment. Go troll elsewhere.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • ApeMan

      They are two peas in a pod aren't they??

      September 12, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
  13. MonkeyBoy

    Religions give us something to laugh at everyday – Amen

    September 12, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
  14. Joe Ortiz

    The answer to all of this is in the book of Genesis, somewhere in the line of time a seed from outside genetically mix with this ancient cave men to create a smart thinking creature "Men" that's why we are above all creation on earth because we were genetically alter to the image and likeness of a superior being "God" it's really simple if you believe ...
    The problem with scientists is that they need proof that Genesis took place....when the proof is in our DNA it would have taken millions of years for our chromosomes to fused we went from a cave to a pyramid. DATA RESULTS = ADAMU

    September 12, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • GoDucks

      Um....ya it did take a few million years?

      September 12, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
  15. Allan L. Gustafson

    If God can create, then he can also evolve! There really is no issue here! Science pretty much proves the existance of God! Just look at the complexity of our planet.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
  16. EnergyBeing3

    Even Christianity has gone though evolutions and changes. This is a fact. What we see though is that Christianity is going through a degrade and Science is going through real day upgrades. One is dissolving away and the other is blossoming with new discoveries and realizations.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
  17. DoesntMatter

    The real fight is between Charles Darwin and Bishop James Ussher.

    Bishop James Ussher calculated the earth is 6,000 years old. He was wrong.

    Is Charles Darwin right? We don't know.. but it's a good guess for now that he is.

    You want to prove him wrong then come up with a better scientific theory.

    Does evolution disprove creationism? No. Charles Darwin was not an atheist. He would not have wanted that in any way. However, he did not believe the earth was only 6,000 years old. Neither should anyone else.

    Does creationism disprove evolution? No. We have no idea when anything was created. There's no timestamp.

    If creationism could be proven then it would destroy faith. Faith does not give you the right to be lazy and not think.

    Unfortunately the constitution does give you the right to be stupid.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
  18. Dave

    More shall be revealed. We will see how smart you all are when you pass on. The Universe was created from nothing and systematically balanced itself into a well oiled machine and created all sorts of interesting creatures over trillions of years. Ok. I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  19. ApeMan

    Nice close up picture of chicken bones. Okay, you convinced me! They are pre-humans! I will stop giving my thousands of dollars to the greedy churches and now give them to greedy evolution scientists!

    September 12, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • ReasonableXX

      That's a key difference you just highlighted. The scientists aren't doing anything for your money. They don't want your money and are not asking you to send them money. They do what they do to increase knowledge for the benefit of all humanity.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • ApeMan

      Lol, have you ever worked in Higher Education?? I have...
      No funding, no science...

      September 12, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
      • ReasonableXX

        Funding education...how ridiculous! Are scientists asking for 10% or more of your income for nothing in return?

        September 12, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
      • Answer

        ApeMan

        Suits you.

        Say anything, say stupid things but never gives out his own explanation. Pitiful being.

        September 13, 2011 at 1:37 am |
  20. XYZ

    I find it curious that the people who are the most adamant about evolution are usually the ones that know the least about it. Even Stephen Jay Gould (for those who dont know, a top evolutionist) would tell you that the fossil record does not jive with darwinian evolution since there are NO transition forms to speak of. It is also interesting that Darwin wrote in "origin of the species" that lack of transition forms in the fossil record would falsify his theory. Simply put, darwinian evolution did not stand up to the test of science. Evolutionists hang on to it because they dont like the alternative. So Goldsmith and later Gould came up with punctuated equilibrium, arguing that the changes in evolution were abrupt, rather than slow. In other words evolution was so fast in the past that it left no evidence, and it is so so slow today it cannot be observed...

    September 12, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • The Jackdaw

      No transitionary fosssils? Seriously? And you call the pro-science ignorant? Here, wikipedia has a nice list of them for your easy-reading pleasure:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

      My god man, please try not to sound crazy.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • DoesntMatter

      Disproving his own theory.. nice. However, the basic idea of it could still be true. There is a lot of evidence leaning in the direction of his theory but from what you're saying is that some evolutionary scientist should be rewriting the theory to correct the holes in the old theory. Maybe it's a little controversial right now.. like when Darwin wrote it so no one wants to step up to the plate.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • Actually...

      Steven Jay Gould has been disgraced and discredited as a scientist, having been shown in 2011 to have committed serious and possible deliberate miscalculations and misrepresentations of data in his book 'The Mismeasure of Man', with the apparent intention of slandering and discrediting the (now proved valid) work of Henry H. Goddard. Gould has been knocked clean off his marxist/egalitarian self-righteous pedestal. Try reading his Wikipedia article to brush up.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • Actually...

      Steven Jay Gould....busted!

      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science/14skull.html?_r=2&ref=intelligence

      September 12, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
  21. hawkechik

    "We knew our story on a possible human ancestor called Australopithecus sediba would be controversial...," Yes, you did, but you did it anyway, didn't you? It's like someone throwing a bloody chunk of beef into a pool of piranha and then sitting back and watching the fun.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
  22. Rob

    Evolution does not exist. It is not listed in the bible so it can't be true...just like cell phones, interent, and soft drinks.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • DoesntMatter

      The bible had gay marriage though...

      September 12, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
  23. sweetwater15

    Prefer to believe you were created in god's image? Does god eat food? Where does he urinate? Can he get cancer? Why did he need eyes before he created light? Why does he need reproductive organs? I don't get you creationists.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
  24. Bill

    My Freshman year high school biology teacher made a very astute comment to me in 1963. The Bible states what God did and science edneavours to understand how. Evolution and religion do not need to be mutually exclusive.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • Terry

      How very 1963ish thinking.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
  25. The Dude

    So I believe in God. Good for me. I also believe in science. I've never had an issue with science and God. If I believe that God created the universe then I believe he created all the processes within it. Science attempts to explain these processes. So what's the issue? Is it somehow a sin to want to know how the whole system works? I don't think so at all. If evolution challenges your faith then I think you need to go back and re-read the Bible with a truly open mind as opposed to one filled with expectation.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • Steve the mean machine

      Openmindedness is a sin! Vote Republican!

      September 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • JT

      You "believe" in science. So..you believe in gravity and that the Earth revolves around the Sun? Or do you "accept" these things as facts? Religion, talking snakes, fairies, gods, leprachans are things one "believes" in.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
  26. ApeMan

    Humans did evolve from ape's. It is true. Just look at our president and all doubts will fade away!

    September 12, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • InFormed99

      What a stupid comment.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • physnchips

      I've seen much better juxtapositions of Bush with apes than Obama.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • trigtwit palin... America's favorite tard baby

      *** poot ***

      September 12, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
  27. Melissa

    Anyone that denies evolution is fact is simply foolish and should be ignored. People like them would have been eaten by wild animals a hundred years ago if not for the idiotic idea that everyone should survive no matter what.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • Steve the mean machine

      But, Jesus told me that thinking is a sin! He also told me to vote Repuglican and to help burn library books!

      September 12, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
  28. Frank

    Anyone who thinks that we were created by clanging rocks together is a freakin idiot.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
  29. physnchips

    I'm a scientist, engineer, and christian. I follow the teachings of Christ, and I study/use scientific theories to give all you ungrateful people some of the technology you use everyday. I believe that humans have really only scratched the surface of both science and faith. Evolution is an incredibly good theory for describing the changes we see in species over vast expanses of hundreds of millions of years, at least vast relative to human time. Anyone who rebukes a theory should actually have a very thorough knowledge of the theory. Anyone who actually studies science finds that scientific theories are usually on very solid ground. Make no mistake, evolution is an extremely good theory, and you would be very foolish to discount evolution, especially without a detailed study on the theory. One last thing, I want to make a point to all the atheists posting: it takes the same amount of faith to disbelieve in God, Buddha, Krishna, Flying Spaghetti Monster, as it does to believe, and it would be extremely foolish to discount religion without any real knowledge in it.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • ApeMan

      You are not a Christian if you believe that the world evolved over millions of years. Sorry, it just does not fit in with the Christian faith.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
      • Thor

        Proof?

        September 12, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
      • ApeMan

        Proof of what???

        September 12, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
      • physnchips

        Um, well, I don't believe that God created the world in 7 days, but I believe in the message of Christ. So there you have it. You know, not everyone that's a Christian hinges on every single word of The Bible as some ultimate Truth. There's many fallacies and wrongdoings in The Bible, and any modern Christian is a hypocrite to live in our society if they say otherwise.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
      • Answer

        ApeMan thinks that he has the right to judge on who is or who is not a proper Christian.
        So do the many who think like himself.

        They act – just act, feign the own authority – and judge. When reality is that they hold no power to effect another Christian or condemn them to hell. After all – all christians- are supposed to go to heaven. Some poor fools only want their idea of what constitutes a pure Christian to be the only ones to go to heaven.

        Fact is they do not even know what a pure Christian is supposed to sound or adhere to themselves. Laughable.

        September 13, 2011 at 1:45 am |
    • Thor

      ...so, why oh why are you a different religion than that of your Christ. Jesus Christ never rescended the Jewish faith in the bible... now did he? There is NO passage at all in the bible that says you are not to follow the Jewish faith, yet.... you are not a Jew.... you are a Christian. Is your faith not strong enough to follow your bible?

      September 12, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
      • ApeMan

        Christian's are adopted Jews. They do not follow the Old Testament law, but they are jews by faith.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
      • physnchips

        Haha, you clearly have no understanding of Jewish or Christian theologies and religions.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
      • Jack

        Thor, I'd like to give you some advice. Stop doing drugs. That was how this whole evolution thing started. Apes started doing drugs. That expanded their minds. Thats how you came to be. So now is the time to " Don't Worry, Be Happy.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
    • Jack

      They all seem to forget that it was religeous societies that created science.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
  30. lets_vote

    OK Let's settle this with a vote. All those who believe humans were created by God either out of nothing or through an evolutionary process reply "Yes" to this post. If you do not believe that, then vote "No" on someone else's post.

    I'll tally up the results.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
    • Questionable

      This will for sure solve the debate FOREVER

      September 12, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
      • lets_vote

        Thanks Questionable, I knew you would see the genius in this!

        September 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • Jack

      I vote for Pedro

      September 12, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
    • Answer

      Another person who thinks he has authority.

      Most people who have a problem with reading these blogs always think that they should be the judge.
      "What is the point of arguing? Let's stop. Let's take a vote..."

      Get a life. Either you become actively involved or when you are reading (and if you do not like it) do not post your comments. For the people who are active – we the passive readers who want education will read it.

      September 13, 2011 at 1:48 am |
  31. muddflap

    MAN EVOLVED FROM MAN!! ...AT SOME POINT SOMEONE FAR SMARTER THAN US SEPARATED US FROM EVERY OTHER FORM OF LIFE ON THIS PLANET.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
    • André

      Only morons yell during discussions.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
      • DoesntMatter

        He's not yelling. That's just how he talks.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
  32. TonyK

    I must say I am appalled at the dismissal of primates as somehow "less" than humans. We are both magnificent creations, each beautifully adapted to our environments and possessed of amazing gifts. Major difference is that it is humans that are destroying those gifts and that environment . . .

    September 12, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • Answer

      Beautifully adapted? No. Adapted is certain, but not beautifully.

      September 13, 2011 at 1:50 am |
  33. Steve the mean machine

    Jesus ate all the dinosours so that he could mate with monkies in peace to create mankind.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • eatdodo

      OK...I can believe that. Is that in the Bible?

      September 12, 2011 at 9:20 pm |
  34. jar jar

    I am Christian and don't believe in evolution. My grandpa ate some red apple and that is how it all started. There were snakes and two of us. Then some biscuits fell out of the sky to feed the children. Two fish on one side of the boat, then I walked between the waves.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
  35. Judas TheNewsman Priest

    Can't tell if trolling or just devout.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • eatdodo

      I'm a devout troll who believes iin the evolutionary power of spooge.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
  36. rick

    Billions of people have searched for thousands of years for god, heaven, hell, etc. And no one, NO ONE, in all that time, and with all those eyes looking, has found even the tiniest possible shred of proof for any of it. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. What does this possibly tell you? Religion(s) – all of them, are the most childish of made up fantasies. I understand the human need to answer these enormous questions (where did we come from? where do we go when we die), but for any 'religion' to presume that it has all the answers (when it actually doesn't have any of them) is the absolute height of arrogance, hypocrisy and lunacy. And then to go to war and kill over this nonsense! Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance is stupidity.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Frank

      Not true.... Many Christians believe they can speak and hear God. He is the creator not your supplier of good and happy times. He does everything his way and you ain't got nothin to say about it.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • Jack

      Billions of people have searched for thousands of years for god, heaven, hell. Billions of people? really? for thousands of years? really? gee Rick, you're so smart.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • InFormed99

      The beauty of religion is that proof is that last thing that is sought after because proof denies faith.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
      • Bibletruth

        Not exactly. Demonstration or proof does not require faith. It is because God is all knowing, all powerful, all present, and his creation is none of those, that faith (trust) is an absolute requirement for a harmonious universe. Just think of the universal implications if his intelligent creatures had to be shown the beginning from the end, the cause and effect of everything that came up between God and man before man would do what God asked. Man does not and never will have the attributes of deity for all eternity so there has to be that element of perfect trust on the part of man.

        September 12, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
  37. Questionable

    How do christans explain neanderthals, homo erectus, and homo heidelbergensis? And dont say we evolved from neanderthals because homo sapiens and neanderthals existed at the same time, so at one point in time there were two distinctly different very intelligent primates on earth. Oopps must have forgoten to put that in the Bible.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Jack

      The more important question is how does science explain neanderthals, homo erectus, and homo heidelbergensis? They can't explain it. They're spending years and billions of dollars trying to but they can;t explain it. NICE TRY, LOL

      September 12, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
      • DoesntMatter

        Failure is for those who give up.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Christians dont have to explain it. Just because someone makes an observation about something, notices something, gives names to things, and thinks that in all their wisdom they just have to explain it and everyone else should acknowledge their explanations because they have this or that degree or read 10 or 100 books related to this subject, but which explanation is usually just a pronouncement based on the "authority of degrees", i.e. pulled out of thin air........no thanks. Have those folks ever read the history and "evolution" of "medicine" and the wild and dangerous remedies and drugs and procedures that have permeated that "science". Almost everything was wrong all the time and those of that time who went against the common knowledge and the authority of degress were ridiculed just like now, just llike a few years ago when the issue was, for example, the coming ice age. Now its global warming....sorry, climate change.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
  38. André

    God believers, ask yourself this:
    Why won't God heal amputees ?
    From the thousands upon thousands of supposed "miracles" that have been (fraudulently) recorded, not ONE case where an amputee's limb regrows or spontaneously reappears ! Surely, amputees who believe in god pray as hard as other people with deadly diseases or cancers ? Then why are there no amputees being healed thru prayer ?
    Why this obvious discrimination against amputees ?
    The answer is simple: Prayer has no effect on the physical world. And God is imaginary.
    All recorded miracles ...are frauds.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Questionable

      Also if I am a good person who helps people my entire life but dont believe in God I go to hell. A serial child rapist and murderer commits to God before he is exicuted, goes to heaven. WTF!

      September 12, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
      • André

        Please stay on topic of Why Won't God Heal Amputees.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • André

      Think about it, this would be a 100% certain proof that god exists.
      If someone's brain cancer heals by itself, god believers will ASSURE you it's a miracle because the person prayed to
      Saint X. However it's just a case of the body healing itself and is no proof of miracles or god's existence.
      HOWEVER if someone's arm was regrowing, then there would be no doubt that god exists. All non-believers would convert and believers would change religion to that deity. Religion wars would be over.
      Obviously you can't have limbs regrowing.....so......Why Won't God Heal Amputees ??

      September 12, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
      • Questionable

        The Bible says you are not supposed to test God, that will be their defense

        September 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • Terry

      What they perceived as miracles were simply circumstances that rarely happen. Just this year a little girl in the States is one of only 3 people recorded to ever survive rabies after the point where a vaccine could help. Is this a miracle? No, just a very, very lucky little girl. But, long ago, beating such odds would be seen as a miracle. I believe there is some basis in the *stories* in the Bible, but to hold onto these beliefs today is quite ridiculous.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      As Jesus said, if one were to be raised from the dead you wouldnt believe. And He raised lazerus who already "stinketh" and what did the leaders do? You guessed it, they sought to kill Jesus, and Lazerus. Miracles will never make people believers in the truth. Satan is the great miracle worker in the end times. God does miracles selectively, not to prove a point, especially not to ridiculars. He does often to bring honest hearted souls over a certain hurdle, but it is usually not his way.

      Everyone, never forget this: if a miracle , that you cannot help accept as a supernatural happening happens before your eyes, and then your told something, make doubly sure that what your told or asked to believe is scripturally sound...i.e. has a plain thus saith the Lord (from scripture). Bedcause that will be a test multitudes will fail to their eternal loss in the end times.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
  39. TheTruth72

    Can anyone tell me why this isn't in the Belief section? Evolution is a belief isn't it? You're believing a man that says he is telling you the truth about his scientific findings that we evolved from apes or that the big bang happened. See how everything can be categorized as belief?

    September 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • InFormed99

      Evolution is not a belief. It is just about a close to a fact as you can bet on. Faith is no different from children's fairy tales.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • André

      It's not a belief because we have thousands upon thousands of evidences.
      Evolution has been proven over and over again, that's why it's a THEORY.
      A "THEORY" in the contact of science is not the same as THEORY in general talk.
      A theory in science is the most certain statement you can make. It is stronger than a law.
      It doesn't mean "I have a hunch about this".

      September 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
  40. Chris

    Idea... You can reject evolution and live in a cave talking to yourself, and the rest of us get Cell phones and Antibiotics!

    September 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
  41. Ro

    There is one aspect of the evolution theory that doesn't seem right (but it may be my lack of knowledge). It is the theory that the world is billions of years old, or that rocks are millions of years old, or that a fossil is xxx years old. The reason I can't grasp this as fact is that there always needs to be two points to measure something. For example, if I tell someone New York City is 100 miles away, that information is 100% useless unless the starting point is known. "100 miles away from where???" You need a solid starting point and a solid end point no matter what. Well, the age of the earth is said to be billions of years old. That's like me saying I'm 50 years old. Will you believe me and take my word, or will you do some research. The only way you can prove this is to find my starting point (birth certificate or the doctor who delivered me). Otherwise, you'll have to take my word for it. So let me ask this….how else will you know my age?

    September 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Thor

      Get a degree in archeaology.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
      • RoD

        I'm laughing so hard at you right now! You didn't answer the question.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
      • Jack

        Did you mean archAEology? Nice try Thor. LOL

        September 12, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Terry

      Believe me, it's your lack of knowledge (as you pointed out).

      September 12, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
      • RoD

        STILL NO ANSWER!!! Seriously. Give me some type of answer. Otherwise, you're all looking like fools.
        (I'm sure you're going to reply saying I'm the fool.....and still not answer the question). I'm still laughing!!!

        September 12, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
    • Answer

      Laughing at what?

      You want others to tell you how old you are right? Or guess?
      If a person wants myself to guess how old that person is – I would go by physical traits first.
      Looking at the formation of the ears. The size specifically. The amount of blemishes around the mouth and eyes.
      The hair's resilience and it's overall fullness or thinness. Then by the build of the overall body.

      To get a rough estimate of the age of the earth. You can get it through round about means. We've studied enough trees to properly associate tree rings and water intake to determine tree age. So we can thus test the chemical signatures to the elements found in the trees' wood. Using extrapolation we can assign referential dates to chemical and decay.

      Resolving accuracy is hard. By no means it is easy – but doable. So overall this is really the simply way. Others could name the actual method and the chemicals.

      September 13, 2011 at 2:02 am |
      • Answer

        There is also ways to look at volcanic rocks for age. Since history has records of past or recent eruptions. Like Mount St Helens or Vesuvius. The chemical and mineral compounds are quite dateable.

        September 13, 2011 at 2:06 am |
  42. EnergyBeing3

    Religion thrives on suspension of disbelief. Science does not. Religion needs blind faith. Science does not. Religions use control factors to manipulate people and control their behaviors. Science doesn't care about any of this or have hidden agendas of control over people through make-believe. Religion is ancient and it's tools horribly outdated science is updated and 'now' with a healthy attitude toward making new discoveries.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Evolution needs blind faith as does a lot of religion Really, the only religion that I know of that doesnt is bible based Christianity.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
  43. Dan

    What does it matter whether or not I am able to convince people of evolution? I am having a hard enough time explaining to kids and Tea Party members that 9/11 wasn't the result of space aliens.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  44. Deep North

    If Man evolved from Lower Primates......why are there still Lower Primates?

    September 12, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • Thor

      Because he evolved from dust. Read your bible. Dust to dust. From dust, God made man evolve into what he is yet to become. ....and to dust he shall return. One's own arrogance portends that God is not powerful enough to create a complex process that the "children of God" could not understand. Of course he makes the explaination simple to children, mysterious to the mystics, religious to the profiteers, and scientific to the questioners......

      September 12, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
      • Chris

        Exactly. Which is why women are all made out of rib bones, and to rib bones they will return... Retard...

        September 12, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • Chris

      The same reasons there are wolves and dogs. Evolution doesn't mean that one day all the Chimpanzees stop giving birth to apes and start giving birth to humans. It's a slow, meandering process, where some move forward, and some are left behind. It's the same way that some people on this thread have a high school education, and some still believe that they were made by god to be magical inside.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • The Jackdaw

      It is called speciation. Look it up instead of just trying to sound like a smart a$$.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
  45. Dave

    Embrace your inner fish.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • eatdodo

      I can't....but I'll firmly embrace my outter eel.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:23 pm |
  46. Michael

    I have to agree that some arr evolving when others are not.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
  47. MJ

    It is always amazing to me how people can be totally convinced that their opinion is fact..... Ignorance is NOT a position! Ignorance is a virus that is spread by Megalomaniac's we call Pastors, Priests, Clerics and Holly Men.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • Kay

      Yes!

      September 12, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • RPG

      Not all "Pastors, Priests, Clerics and Holly Men"

      September 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
      • MJ

        Agreed. However, Many. A vast number in the southern United States.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
      • RPG

        Well, That is a given. Small minds are easily influenced.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • Pam

      A fact is a fact.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
      • MJ

        Only if you have an open mind

        September 12, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
      • kill bill

        Or a mind at all

        September 12, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
      • eatdodo

        Actually, a fact is a fart.

        September 12, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
    • EnergyBeing3

      Lets see now... does the Science Community have more pedophiles or does the Religious Community?

      Does the Science Community have a history of abuse, torture and psychological manipulations to push it's views?

      September 12, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
  48. Abolish All Religion

    I've noticed CNN does this on slow news days. Nothing generates more comments faster than a piece on evolution. This one is not even an article, just warmed-over past comments dug up from old articles.

    CNN is the ultimate troll.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
  49. Hayte

    Here is what I think: There is no debate. Evolution has a grounded, proven, predictable seat at the table of science. It accurately discribes reality. NOT fantasy. But, now we are at the real argument: fundamentalist or progressive?
    Either way, I'm gonna go with science. With a proven track record that has brought us virtually everything that sustains modern society, I feel it's the safest bet.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
  50. dee

    ......in the beginning, God created..... God created us all....God's word says so. God's word is foolishness to those who are perishing.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Chris

      Or, Ra masturbated humanity into existence. Or, we're all the blood of Cronus, spilled by Zeus. Your theory of creation replaced a previous theory, which replaced a previous theory. Evolution is the first theory that can be tested and proven. We are replacing you.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
  51. abnrgr69

    Religion sometimes gets in the way of science. Perhaps God did use evolution for the human species, rather than an instant human being as we are today. The bible can be used for many purposes both good and bad and an interpretation by any church, sect, is simply an interpretation by that group.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • Chris

      Except that the bible says that Pi is equal to exactly 3. In the first chapter of Genesis, humans are created after plants. But in the second chapter, we are created before plants. More succinctly stated, the bible is incorrect.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
  52. Jack

    Some people still believe in Hope and Change. Science has proven that this emotion, feeling we call Hope is crazy. So they cling to Change, yet science has proven for every action there is an oposite reaction. So believe in Creation or Evolution if you like, for me we're here from another planet and science can never disprove that. .......Stay thirsty my friends.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  53. Thor

    For one to not believe the facts that ones parents gave them would be considered disrespect: for example; ones father tells his son that he must be quiet on the hunt to be successful.... the ability to follow that behavior, which was the result of many trials and errors, producing a successful result.... ie.... a SCIENCE experiment that was passed down to a generation following.... and as time passed... those who could be more quiet, would be more successful. Because the hunters who were successful, were able to survive, their children survived. And so on.... Well, evolution is certainly a selection of those who executed successful behaviors that were passed down from one generation to the next. Also, in parallel similarity, those hunters who had longer legs were able to follow game further and faster... so ... they were more successful. From an evolutionary standpoint, if the only way to survive is hunting, then those who were taller would survive best, and.... so would their offspring. Although this is a very rudamentary example of natural selection, it might, perhaps, indicate to some, that science and evolution are real. Although the "religious" would want to believe the story that man was not evolved, it is lacking that their "All Knowing Father" was not capable of creating a metaphor to explain to the easily distracted humans, how they were developed from a primordial mud. Perhaps, if the text of the bible were decoded even further, more evolutionary basis might be discovered, rather than blind obedience to an idea of magical incantation and creationism. God is a bigger being than just a creature, but, IT is a god! And a god takes whatever form it wants, if it is a true god, and it controls everything, is all around, and is all the sum of all power in the universe ( Oops... did I say that god is the equivalent of the sum total of all physical energy in the universe?) Perhaps, the bible code has more depth in science and evolution but.... the christians are too limited in their understanding to take it beyond magic. Of course evolution is real. Magical creationism is the explaination for a child. Grow up!

    September 12, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • Jack

      Holy smokes Thor, don't you know that the hunters with longer legs didn't catch their prey at all. The hunters with shorter legs invented the bow and arrow. Wow Thor you're a real nit wit.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
      • Humanoid

        @ Jack – I love your humour! You just brightened me up after reading all this drivel. Thanks.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
      • eatdodo

        I dream of women with long legs...and then I spooge.

        September 12, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
    • Humanoid

      So, Boom! > Mud > Puddle > Fish > Ape > Trolodyte > Man > Millions of people each with their own DNA and fingerprint, Billions of insects, animals, trees and plants all produced in 6,ooo years [when it takes 10 thousand years for ONE small change to take place] ............ISN'T a fairy story???????

      Give me God any time.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
  54. d

    The idea that science trumps the Bible is nonsensical. The theory of evolution is just that, A THEORY! Furthermore, it takes quite a bit more faith to believe the in the evolutionary nonsense that a big bang occurred about 10 billion years ago than to simply believe the Bible. Furthermore, is it just coincidence that over a hundred ancient cultures had a flood story somewhat similar to the Biblical flood story? It is because it actually happened. Is it coincidence that the places mentioned in the Bible such as Jerusalem, Jericho, Damascus, Syria, Egypt, Babylon, Tyrus, Mt. Sinai, and a host of other places truly exist? It is because the Bible is true. Is it just a coincidence that the names of Biblical characters such as David the king, Nebuchadnezzar, Belshazzar, and a host of others have been found in archaeological digs? It is because it is true. The Bible is true, but it is men and women who stubbornly hold onto their erroneous teachings of evolution that dominate the scientific world today. In fact, the Bible even described these people in Romans 1:18-32 (focusing on v. 22). It says, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." That is what many of the scientists and professors of our day are, nothing more than "fools." By the way, you can go ahead and speak bad about me, all you want, but the truth is the truth. If evolution is true, than where did the gas come from that caused the big bang? Why aren't there any intermediate forms? Why aren't gorillas, apes, and chimpanzees still turning into human beings? Where did the fruit and vegetables that just so happen to supply us with the necessary amounts of vitamins and minerals come from? If evolution is true, where did the water come from that just so happens to quench our thirst? How did such a complex thing as a human brain just evolve out of nothing, and why aren't amoeba still being formed from bolts of lightning in the water? How come our planet just so happened to be far enough from the sun that we don't get baked, but yet close enough to the sun that we don't get frozen? Why is it that our planet just so happened to have oxygen so that we can breath? Why aren't human beings evolving into an even higher species? The Bible said it so clearly in Psalm 53:1, "The FOOL hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good." Honestly, it makes me see that much more clearly that behind the scenes the devil really does have the entire world deceived (Revelation 12:9), otherwise people wouldn't believe one of the biggest lies ever told that has to do with the idea of macroevolution. Furthermore, it's so sad that many of the youth of this culture have become atheists, because of this false religion, which they claim to be pure science (that's right I said "religion), that is being propagated to them in the public schools of America. If we were really to have the separation of church and state in our schools than it seems that origins shouldn't be taught AT ALL until we come to the time of written history (Mesopatamia, Egypt, etc.) because all of the rest of that stuff is nothing but SPECULATION. The Biblical account of a 7 literal day creation week is truth, and this is final. You might think this a very authoritative statement, but those on other side state the same thing for their belief system. Now some of you might say, "You Biblethumper, or whatever..." May God bless you, and I pray that you have a wonderful day, and an encounter with Jesus Christ.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • Thor

      .... the innocence of a child begots that level of an explaination.....

      September 12, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Sauce

      The Bible is partially true. But not all of it. It's not meant to be taken literally. If you think Noah honestly gathered 2 of every animal on Earth, you're naive. There are plenty of truths in the Bible, but some of the truth's might be exaggerated. So relax pal.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • MJ

      Wow! Really? You are really that simple minded? The places" that the Bible talks about are real because the "places" that the Bible talks about were actually around when the Bible was written........Hello? Most are still here today! You do know the Bible is a collection of writings by actual people....Right? Do you realize how small the Human population of the earth was 3,000 years ago? You do realize that all of these tribes lived in the same general location right? If there was a flood, it would make perfect sense that other cultures would be aware of it if not involved in it.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • TonyK

      All of your questions are answered by evolutionary thought (which is not "theory" in the sense you are using it).

      Please, read a book besides the bible. I don not believe that God approves of ignorance, nor does he like ideologues.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
    • Chris

      I know for a fact that the North Pole exists. That doesn’t mean I believe in Santa Clause! And how in the world would all the worlds’ cultures write about the flood? I thought it killed everyone but Noah’s family? The fact that it rains really bad sometimes, doesn’t prove the 'The Great' flood.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
  55. Joe

    First of all how many God's have been around in our History? How many different religions belief in different gods even now? We can't all be right? Secondly, I don't care how "supreme" of a being you are, nothing can create every little intricisy down to the microscopic atom that can be "preplanned" . There is way to much detail in life, to be created by some being or entity. Third, If there is a supreme being that created everything, the only way we are here right now, is if this being created the building blocks then let it grow on its own. That being said, where did this being come from? Lastly, if this "God" loved us so much, why is there so much suffering?

    September 12, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  56. Stew Pidaso

    If we were made in God's image, why'd he make dinosaurs first? Just testing the waters?

    September 12, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  57. palintwit

    Sarah Palin believes that those millions of years old fossils were planted in the ground by god as a practical joke. In other words he just wanted to mess with everybody's head.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • eatdodo

      I'd like to spooge Sarah's fossil....or inner fish.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:32 pm |
  58. Dargo

    Darwin never ever said that we evolved from apes. He said that apes and man share a common ancestor, big difference. Religious people are fond of pointing out the absurdity in the idea that we evolved from apes & yet still have apes, when really Darwin never said that. Of course, religious people haven't ever been known for their awesome powers of discernment.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  59. Amused

    I love this statement in the article above..."It's obvious that a lot of people have very passionate views on this topic but, this being a science blog, we are going to report with the assumption that the prevailing, tested theory with the most rigorous evidence – evolution – is true." So you were here billions of years ago, huh? Have you ever seen evolution occur? Don't tell me that a bone fragment is "tested" or "evidence". I am not here to argue creation versus evolution. I just want to make one point....you call faith "myth" and you call evolution "science". I believe faith is believing in something you cannot see. So wouldn't that make the THEORY of evolution a faith-based belief system? Quite honestly, I tip my hat to you people because your faith often trumps those of Christians (unfortunately). To believe that out of nothing came everything is a faith that I cannot grasp.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
    • Hayte

      Believing something isn't the same thing as knowing something. You should look into it.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
  60. Majicmisha

    Evolution is only a theory. Like gravity.

    September 12, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
  61. Gman

    God may have created the earth old. In the bible, Adam was not created as a zygot, but as a grown man, and the stars were not hung in the sky and then billions of years later, light arrived on the Earth. It was instananeous. This would explain a lot. But either way, He created it and it was good.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    • Chris

      The stars billions of light years away aren't just pretty little dots. If you look though a telescope, you'll see sunspots, solar flares, planets orbiting, and even some stars dieing in a brilliant Supernova. These are dynamic, 'living' things that were born, existed and died billions of years before the earth formed (from your time line or the real one).

      September 12, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
  62. Alex

    I don't believe in Evolution...my biggest problem with evolution is that we shouldn't even have to look for the missing link....Apes exist today, and people exist today....so where's the in between there should be in betweenies trying to make the same leap that some ape "billions" of years ago made. Evolution is only good enough in the context of billions of years ago....if the world is in a constant state of evolving show me where it is happening today!

    September 12, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    • Gman

      Amen! So true. Don't see any half men – half apes walking around trying to make it in this world. I have also thought of that before, seems pretty hard to substantiate evolution because of that fact. Great point!

      September 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • eatdodo

      As I get older, my spooge is turning from milky white to a brownish yellow.
      That's evolutionary, isn't it?

      September 12, 2011 at 9:34 pm |
  63. Sauce

    I am quite religious and I am disappointed at some of the comments made by other "religious" readers. The Bible is open to interpretation and any educated Catholic should realize that at least 75% of the Bible is either a) Exaggerated or b) Not meant to be taken literally. Evolution does not contradict belief in God. Slim chance that there was a garden of Eden and Adam and Eve were the first people, but the point is listen to God when He talks to you and He created us. So basically, I'm cool with the whole evolution thing, I'm not cool with these religious nutbags who make my religion look silly. But I pray for them and their families and I (although you cant tell from what I just wrote) respect their opinions.

    And for all of the people bashing organized religion as a whole and the Bible, don't argue with these uneducated Catholics/Christians/Muslims/Whatever because they don't know what they are talking about, don't let their assanine theories and diehard dedication to the Bible being absolute truth shape your opinion of our religion.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
  64. scott kesson

    sigh..
    evolution is not that hard to understand if you just read a little.
    It's not a moral discussion, it's not a religious discussion, it's just biology.
    The subject of evolution does not negate the existance of God, in fact the 2 subjects have nothing to do with each other.
    It's discouraging to see science indermined by unrelated fields of inquiry.
    Random Mutation and Non-Random selection...it's not that difficult.
    It has nothing to do with Metaphysics or Metaphysical assertions and subjects, and yet every time the discussion comes up before you know it people are talking about God, and Spirits and Heaven and the continuity of consciouness, all wonderful subjects, but subjects that have absolutely nothing to do with Bilology. It's like people trying to measure a building with Tarot Cards and Dreams when a simple ruler would suffice.
    s.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
    • BBoy705

      Read? Why would anyone with "faith" bother to read? If you have "faith" there is no need to read and learn more all you need to do is believe it's as simple (literally) as that!

      September 12, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • Chris

      They have nothing to do with each other, except for the very first part about why we all exist at all. Genesis vs. Evolution. And after Genesis was proven wrong, the rest of the bible falls in line nicely as a long-winded fairy tale.

      September 12, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
  65. The Jackdaw

    In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"–part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science–that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."
    Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

    Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.

    Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory–natural selection–to explain the mechanism of evolution.

    – Stephen J. Gould, " Evolution as Fact and Theory"; Discover, May 1981

    September 12, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
  66. Terry

    Ask yourselves this: "Why do I believe in GOD?" Were you presented with facts and figures to back up the claim of God? Or was it simply an indoctrination process from early childhood, where you were told what to believe and if you didn't you were scared out of your mind with the prospect of he11? This is evil, telling a child he/she is going to burn for an eternity if God is not believed in. Sick, sick, sick. Religion should be ashamed for the horror it inflicts on the human mind.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
  67. ReasonableXX

    The lack of understanding of evolution by those who choose to not believe it is stupifying. It really highlights a great divide in our society that could eventually lead to our downfall if we don't correct it. As a whole, our society must stop denying facts and stop teaching our children false information because it conflicts with preconceived beliefs. Do you want your children to grow up and become morons, ignorant of the realities of the world? They will never be able to compete for jobs in a global economy with children who are properly educated on the facts from day one of their schooling. At best it's negligent, at worst it is outright child abuse. Evolution is a reality and the only current explanation for the development of life that fits all known facts. If new facts arise one day and disprove evolution, I will be happy to modify my views on the subject.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Harry

      I never have to deal with anything on a daily basis in my job about evolution. We may diverge into a discussion here or there, but this minor debate which effects scientists etc does not really play to much in the web dev crowd (my area). If my daughter never learns the theory (and that is what it is) of evolution her whole like I am pretty sure she can grow up alright and have a productive life. I don't understand how we take a theory that can not be proven, but some people say is likely as proof of anything. Look at the major scientific gaps that they keep filling in year after year. Really look at it. I actually have. My 8 year old doesn't need to learn this and it shouldn't be taught in public school. Teach science you can prove. Let them debate this in college, they wont miss much. They are not making DNA gels in High school .

      September 12, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
      • ReasonableXX

        Evolution is as close to provable science as anything ever was. Evolution occurs, that is not debatable. The mechanism for how it occurs and why it works the way it does is debatable. As for your daughter, a lack of understanding of evolution is an indicator of a more general deficiency in education and intelligence. It is a denial of facts that will translate into other areas of her life. In a world becoming dominated by science and technology, your daughter will not compete with those being eductated properly on all the facts. It is that simple.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
      • Harry

        Reasonable, you are anything but, however, you put a lot of faith in the ideas of man.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
      • Harry

        My main concern is my daughters eternal soul, not her temporary home.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
      • ReasonableXX

        And god is not an idea of man? Where did man's concept of god originate then?

        September 12, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
      • Harry

        not to do this in piece mail....but I am sure now you will insult, tell me how stupid or ridiculous I am blah blah blah...your opinion matters so much to me, cause I am still in HS and care what the cool kids think.

        well i have looked at this pretty closely and come to one simple truth. You do not get life where there is no life. in science lab they can make life in petry dish with sperm and egg. Life has never been created in a lab or anywhere else unless life already existed. and the thing that existed before there was life, there has to be something there, and that thing by definition is God.

        So don't paint me as some yokel who is spoon fed from another master while you are spoon fed your science. I believe in science. like things like explosions in vacuums so not happen. How things start "perfect and wind down to chaos. all these scientific elements that themselves disprove Big Bang and evolution. Constants speed up slow down change this and that, anything to prove that there is no God. that s what this becomes.

        You can use bigger words but it all comes out the same. I used to believe it too until I really looked at it, then I saw the folly in the science.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
      • ReasonableXX

        How arrogant of you to think that this is something you can "look at closely" and draw a definitive conclusion. What qualifications do you have? Just because science hasn't solved something yet doesn't mean it can't or won't. The beauty of science is that it is never done. New answers only generate new questions which helps farther our understanding. If science hasn't solved something yet, that doesn't mean we automatically jump to the wildly unfounded conclusion that god did it! Why do you believe in god in the first place? Because you parent told you to? Because their parents told them to? Because a preacher (who is motivated by getting donations) told you to? All of these are man made origins.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
      • Harry

        thats the response I expected from you. My belief in God has nothing to do with my disbelief in evolution. How do create lief with no life. How did our planet just amazingly stop in space...with no outside force in a vacuum (First law: The velocity of a body remains constant unless the body is acted upon by an external force.) right where we need it to have a pool of whatever to accidentally start to build the elements of life.

        I am not quoting scripture to disprove what you cling to. I am using the laws of physics. I can separate my life in Christ and this debate... can you take a good look at what you believe and do the same. I don't see it. I did. I grew up with the evolution as fact. Went to seminars, studied the subject. Read some on what scientists say who disagree with evolution and why. I came to my conclusion that right now there are GLARING holes in the theory and do not accept it as truth.

        Now I am not a scientist, that is true, but I did my own research, which sounds pretty scientifici to me. Now I could waste my life chasing a pursuit i am mildly interested in...or I could enjoy the world we live in.

        As far as my relationship with God...more specifically Jesus Christ, it is beyond the scope of this discussion. It is true that my mother was a Christian, and Her mother was as well, but I am not a believer because of them. so lets stick to the facts, since thats what you are saying I am missing.

        There are glaring holes in the two theories here, big Bang and evolution, but the fact is we are here. So just the opposite of how these were developed, if they are bunk, how did we get here. If there is something existing before life exists than it is God. and that is what I contend. Prove me wrong.

        September 12, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
      • Chris

        So, bottom line… you say a book written thousands of years ago about a theory that has no evidence, is more accurate then any of the several hundred books written every year, supported by the latest physical findings on the subject? How successful do you think you'd be, if the last book on web development you read, was 2000 years old?

        September 12, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
      • Harry

        Chris, I would assume you are talking about the bible, and it is a very historically accurate document and many many elements have been proven through science and continue to be proven. You can do your own research on that.

        Truth has no time limit. it isn't that its only valid then and then all of a sudden has no relevance.

        So no, I am not saying anything that you are saying. I am saying that through scientific laws and Physics you can punch immense holes in the theory of evolution and the big bang and so I have a hard time believing them to be true...what are you saying.

        Oh nothing, you are trying to make me look foolish to make yourself look more intelligent. Good for you 🙂

        September 12, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
      • ReasonableXX

        You're wrong on the laws of physics and don't seem to understand them anymore than evolution. This leads me to believe that your "scientific" self-study on the origins of life may be slightly flawed. Gravity put the planets and everything else in the universe in place. If you fail to understand the most important force int he formation of the universe when using that as the basis for your counter arguement, then I am simply at a loss for words. The burden of proof is on those making a specific claim not on those who refute the baseless claim. Anyone can claim anything. I can say I have a unicorn in my garage, prove I don't. Maybe you then walk into my garage and see it is empty. I will just claim that my unicorn went for a walk. Since you can't prove that I am wrong, I must have a unicorn. The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim.

        September 12, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
      • Harry

        There are smarter men then you or I who can describe this to you better than I can. Can produce proof of the holes i describe and you can refute them with cute claims of Unicorns and think that passes as intellectual humor when the real joke in the room is you. I can point you to the information but I am sure you will just say, as you have, its not correct for this or that. I am glad we all accidentally was created from goo so you can prove just how smart you are in a anonymous post.

        September 12, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
      • ReasonableXX

        Point me to a single legitimate study, not funded by any religious organization, that has been peer reviewed and directly contradicts evolution then I will point you to hundreds of peer reviewed studies that support it in a variety of ways. Call any biology department at any non-religiously supported university in the world and ask how many creationists are on staff. This is not even a debatable topic and yet we must still argue the point to death against people with no facts in their corner. People on the evolution side of the "argument" don't have anything to gain except the right to be lead by leaders who will not use their irrational faith to legislate for all people. We don't argue just to annoy the religious, we argue because we are correct and it is not fair for us to deal with leaders who don't acknowledge reality.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
      • Harry

        not a study but some reading:

        http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-Black-Box-Biochemical-Challenge/dp/0743290313

        http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Evolution-Scott-M-Huse/dp/0801057744

        http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml

        a page on Creationism, you can email them your rebuttal. I have been to a seminar, not extensive at all but a 12 hour seminar specifically on the subject, read a book, about 300 pages and watched a video on biochemistry makeup of single celled organism and how complicated it is, too complicated to accidentally be made.

        I am sure your qualifications are stellar, but couple those I have above with being told every year for about 6 years of HS and then college how Evolution is the only way we exist.

        So why dont you take a look, there was a Ben Stiller documentary on this a few years back as well that was pretty main stream, but I am sure you will say this is one sided and skewed, but hey...so are you. GL XX

        September 13, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
      • ReasonableXX

        Nothing you listed is a legitimate peer reviewed study that is verifiable and reproducible. They are meaningless. That is not being one sided, that is simply acknowledging that your position has no facts. I don't care how interesting or well made a documentary or book is. Anyone can produce both without a single shred of true evidence backing them up. Scientific and academic papers must be reviewed multiple times by independent experts in the field who have nothing to gain or lose by either approving or finding fault in the study. They must confirm that the data, methods, and conclusions are accurate, valid, and reproducible by others. That rigourous process is what validates them as facts.

        Here are a handful of the many academic papers that support my position and detail direct obersvations of evolution occuring. There are many more where these came from. If you can provide any type of similar documention for your position then we have an actual debate. Until that time, I will remain one sided in support of the facts.

        Rice, W.R.; Hostert (1993). "Laboratory experiments on speciation: what have we learned in 40 years".
        Jiggins CD, Bridle JR (2004). "Speciation in the apple maggot fly: a blend of vintages?".
        Boxhorn, J (1995). "Observed Instances of Speciation"
        Weinberg JR, Starczak VR, Jorg, D (1992). "Evidence for Rapid Speciation Following a Founder Event in the Laboratory"
        Kirkpatrick, Mark; Virginie Ravigné (2002-03). "Speciation by Natural and Sexual Selection: Models and Experiments"

        September 14, 2011 at 11:47 am |
  68. Randy S

    Does anybody really think they're going to change anybody's mind by posting anything here? If so, they are definintely related to a monkey. By the way, monkeys are not apes.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
  69. ApeMan

    To believe than one type of animal can become a completely different type (or human) is ridiculous. To bad research groups and "scientists" gain more funding by adding extra zeros to the age of fossils that they find and mix bones of different animals to create "pre-humans".

    September 12, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • ReasonableXX

      Your denial of science and the scientific method is absolutely ridiculous!

      September 12, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
    • SarcasmIncarnate

      darn those greedy scientists! their logic and reason pale in comparison to the piety and wisdom of the religious right! they are truly the only ones who strive for fact-based truth!

      September 12, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  70. Harry

    I am pretty sure all these "ancient ancestors" are just ugly people who we still have around today, they live in trailer parks. So when they find the fossils they say, "wow this is some missing link from a million years ago. " when it was just some redneck no one would take to prom. It takes more faith to believe in evolution, and its major flaws, then to believe in any Religion.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • SarcasmIncarnate

      if by "faith" you mean "observable facts" then you are right on point sir! evolution is based entirely on "faith".

      September 12, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
      • Harry

        I stand by my statement. Last time I saw an explosion in a vacuum Luke skywalker was involved. Last time an explosion made something...nothing comes to mind. So many holes in the Big bang theory that leads to Evolution you cant point to one thing and say which is more ridiculous. Yay we accidentally exist...how cool.

        So I yeah Faith is believing in what you cant prove or see. I have faith in God, and science, but not Darwin.

        September 12, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • eatdodo

      I believe in your daughter's pussy.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:36 pm |
      • Harry

        She 8 so thanks for that.

        September 13, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
  71. DoesntMatter

    How can we possibly get people to listen one way or the other? The uneducated will believe either side depending on emotional reasons.

    Once you rip the emotion out of the discussion and do some reading on both subjects you'll be able to make an informed decision.

    What are the chances that sloth will be your sin?

    September 12, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
  72. Joe Tunon

    The author couldn't believe that an article on evolution generated over 1900 comments? Yeah, right. That's as intellectually offensive as some of the typical bashers here on both sides of the issue.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:55 pm |
    • DoesntMatter

      Bingo.. these discussions are for the bored.

      September 12, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
  73. Truthwillsetyoufree

    My thoughts... some do not evolve and run for congress....

    September 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
  74. MATTY13

    One of the things that we have to remember about the creativism and evolution debates is that God does not care about our physical bodies. If he did we wouldn't be burying people and finding skeltons. We would move up to Heaven when we died. Lock, stock, barrel, and bones. Yes, God created us in his image, but it's our soul that is in his image, not our body. It is our soul that he cares about not our body. It wasn't until millions of years after this evolutionary process that God choose Man to be the vessel in which he put a soul. We were developed as apes without a soul. It is at the point that we acquired a soul, when we were given the ability to reason that counts. That is the missing link. When did God give that ape creature a soul? I am a very very devote person who believes in God and I know that we came from apes. I know that it is our soul that is in his image, not our bag of bones bodies. He could care less about this dust we are, but he cares a great deal about our soul. Show me the bag of bones from the past that was the first to have a soul, and there you have the missing link. Impossible to find of course, but.......

    September 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
  75. InFormed99

    Denying evolution exists is like trying to deny gravity exists. You can't see either, but both explain a great many things without any form of contradiction. Faith, on the other hand and by definition is the absolute absence of proof or explanation and is hence fatally flawed and will forever be.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
  76. BBoy705

    "Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record of dead religions." – Oscar Wilde

    September 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
  77. TRH

    All religions were created by man to control the masses. Thomas Paine knew that.

    So get over it and move on. If you wish to continue to worship a man in the sky, a virgin, or a tree trunk, that's your business. Just keep it away from me and especially out of politics...something else our "god-fearing" founding fathers were smart enough to know....which is why this country was intended to be a secular republic.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Keep it out of politics....interesting...anything else that should be kept out of politics? How about the taking (by vote) of one groups goods (money or other) against their will? Why should religion be kept out of politics? Government favoritism re religion or any religious control over government should be numero uno, by strict law, prohibited, as it always leads to coercion and eventually the cruelest persecution. But religion is often a part of a persons fabric so it cant be avoided, as it is not avoided In fact, keep your eyes open, it is coming that religion will become very much involved with government and many here that decry religion will be most ardent supporters of said involvement. Remember this: If you are involved in promoting such involvement (the mark in the forehead) or could care less but go along with it to "get along" (the mark in the hand), you will be lost.

      September 12, 2011 at 6:46 pm |
  78. Evolunacy

    I think that a species of a same kind can evolve into a sub species of its samekind but to say monkeys come from trees and we come from monkeys is just assinine. Circular reasoning is behind all evo claims and the evidence is not there. Go back farther than your monkeytheory and where did the rock that the terrestial rain poured on that made to goop that all living things came from?

    September 12, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
    • RalphMouth

      A person who says we came from monkeys or trees for that matter, is as ignorant as the person who believes it. It is all about a common ancestry. There are things that are common about our genetic structure. We all know about the closeness of the primate family, but a good chunk of our overall genetic structure is very close. Also, things like all things have eyes. Is this a universal truth or is it because we all have a common ancestor?. Yes, there are blind species, but most ot those have reverted, not the primary direction it was in until circumstance decided eyes were no longer necessary, save the energy for more whiskers. But the sockets are there. The genome is there and it's casual almost ho hum now. Now they are getting genomes of cancer cells, you name it. The proof is there. Oh, here's a quicky, if you put a shark embryo next to that of a human early on, you can't tell the difference. Only a very trained eye could see it. Why is that one might wonder?

      September 12, 2011 at 9:16 pm |
  79. EnergyBeing3

    We don't see Scientists forcing their discoveries onto people through intimidation and manipulation with a hidden agenda set for behavioral control, like we do with Religion or Priest's Agendas. We don't see wars started over who's science is more real or who's science can be forced onto different communities like we've seen with religious fanatics. We don't hear about scientists caught being pedophiles like we do with priests. So who are we to believe? Those with a history of abuse or those who simply have an agenda to make new discoveries with the healthy attitude that others in the world also make new discoveries without suppression and oppression?

    September 12, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    • unknown11

      two words. Global Warming.

      September 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
  80. justme

    be careful who you worship they may be human or not.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
  81. Jerry

    I will say this right off. Evolution is a fact. If it was not a fact, forget the fossils, every one of us would still be unskilled cavemen still searching for something to eat. If you don't evolve you would still have an infant's mind in a grown body. You could not learn because learning is evolution.
    Forget about the finches in Galapagos, which in my mind, is proof positive, as are so many microenvironments we have on the planet, do the ultra conservatives believe the hand of God is enlarging infants heads so that we have more cezarian sections than any other time in our history? Our brains have evolved and the cranium has had to enlarge to house it. That is evolution you can see. I think we are lucky. Most times it takes so long, it is hard to relate to something like that without being able to see it. Well, there it is. So, we don't have to try to make an argument that a narrow mind prone to myth can understand. That is proof right there.
    Part of the problem is our Western way of thinking. I dare say the eastern religions don't seem to have a problem with religion and science...it is a holistic approach to the universe where science and religion coexist on equal terms.
    Besides, If you believe the earth is only a few thousand years old, that means all the dino bones we find in the ground are massive hoaxes all over the world, then you are too ignorant to understand it anyway. Just like the iclansmen types that don't realize we are all of African descent, you can't argue with that kind of unbridled ignorance. They have their fantasys and they will hang on to it for dear life.
    But for all you hardline atheists who don't believe in anything, well that is kinda ignorant as well. I hate absolutes. As the old saying goes, "There are greater things in heaven and earth than are contained in your personal philosophy." I find it is best to keep an open mind, lest you find yourself in a box you can't get out of.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
  82. BenB

    who says you must deny belief in God for belief in evolution? -somehow, I believe the two are compatible... -I just don't
    know how to bridge any supposed gaps between them... however, as one who also believes in the literalness of the
    Biblical record (in places where it is literal/historical text), I also believe in a literal Adam and a literal Eve. -the Biblical
    record is very explicit about this geneology both in the OT and the NT. -so at some point in the distant past (per the
    book), there was a literal Adam and literal Eve. -how they came to be "the" literal Adam and literal Eve is up for
    speculation and scientific investigation. -maybe God created several "protoypes" first before declaring Adam and
    Eve as the first literal humans? -who knows? none of us were there, so I would suggest that whoever suggests
    answers to this question is going to be speculating to some degree. -there are many potential possibilites that have
    been proposed for how to resolve the historical, Biblical record (and extra-Biblical records) with what science is
    finding via Evolution...

    September 12, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
  83. Volntyr

    I believe in Joe Pesci, cause like a great man once said, He sounds like can get things done.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
    • justme

      if they are still looking for qaddafi they might ask joe he knows how to make him talk, all you need is 8 heads.

      September 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
  84. Matt

    If I see that Monkey has some way to train and/or teach/pass on knowledge to the younger generation (Please don't tell me the surviral instinct that very animal has that was instilled in it.) as human do then I will believe that evolution is true. Otherwise, it is just a wild assumption without eyewitness.
    If a god can't create something out of nothing then He is not God.
    On the other hands, If there a god and he is omnipresent, omnipotient then nothing can stop him from using evolution to create creatures beside human.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
    • Volntyr

      Here is an oldie but goodie for you
      "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
      — Epicurus

      September 12, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  85. Blake

    Simple: God/dess is Evolution. Or Evolution is God/dess. In other words, the Tao.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  86. Michael Peters

    Scientific reaons why I do not believe in evolution. 1. If natural selection were true homosexuality would be extinct because it provides no functional advantage to the species. This is not a moral statement just an obvious contradition of natural selection. 2. Evolution cannot explain the sacrifical behavior of the first responders on 9/11. Species preserving behavior does not account for it. They were not related. 3. Evolution cannot explain pleasures that probide no functional advantage. Sigmund Freud reconized that evolution offered no explanation for beauty. 4. Evolution cannot explain free will because it is based on chemical necessity. The theory of evolution might explain some fossil records but doesn't explain the world we live in. .

    September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Volntyr

      Your logical falicies are as follows: 1. If Natural Selection were completely true, then we would not have mutations such as birth defects which range from babies born Fetus In-fetu, Albinism or a host of any other genetic quirks. Homosexuality could be have more of a basis in neurochemistry than we know about. 2 and 4) Evolution is biological in nature. Over riding ones self preservation instinct is not. That would be more of a psychological response that one can learn to overcome. That is why we have the soldiers, firefighters, police officers, etc… If a person wanted to run into the side of a building but did not know it was going to hurt, they would do it. However, one learns about things that can hurt so that person will rationalize the wall will hurt so they would probably not do so. 3. Evolution was meant to further a species biological traits to its maximum potential. It’s a person’s own individual experiences that would determine whether something is beautiful or not. For example, many people think Angelina Jolie is beautiful. I on the other hand, do not think she is beautiful

      September 12, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
  87. Paul

    All I have to say is that if we came about just by a crap load of random chemistry and odd "selection" it was heck of a lot of remarkable "random" and "selection.". Nope. Sorry. Orchestrated.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Volntyr

      You are not looking at the time period though. Such things take millions and millions of years.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
  88. justme

    all i can ask is how is that piltdown man evolving for all you rockchoppers?

    September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  89. evolutiontheory

    Evolutiontheory : " a blast happened in a printing press, and see, here comes out a dictionary "
    bing bang of something , of which the 'something ' came from somewhere, (if indeed there was someone?) , amoeba came, micro organisms became macro to flying things and eventually animals , monkeys transformed to human, in affect saying monkey is my father, so me coming out of a particle (thru bing bang), to accept amoeba , & ape as my father , is GROSS transgression of whatever logic & sanity left in my mind. I'm so much better believing God as my Loving FATHER Creator, and so have peace, of where I came from , and where I am going, having a consistent healthy world view - of which evolutionists poor guys think they came out of nothing , for no reason, going nowhere since they like to deny God, they aint going to find PEACE, until they accept and follow the heart, which needs the explanation of a Creator/Father/God a personal savior in Jesus christ.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  90. BraveSaintStuart

    Christian here... first, I'm not sure why I'm bothering. Dialogue and discussion through these types of forums seldom produce any sort of common understanding. I would recommend reddit.com for such dialogue as there actually is some. Secondly, many many MANY Christians, including the former head of the Human Genome Project, have found that Creation and Evolution are certainly not exclusive to one another. Many Christians accept evolution as fact. It's not simply an either/or argument. Furthermore a lot of other Christians, along with many atheists, will make tons of claims based on talking points without having any sort of substance with which to back up those claims.

    Do yourselves a favor folks... if you don't know about it, don't claim to know about it.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  91. Eric

    Reality check. It's 2011, and it does not matter how you think you got here. It has ZERO relevance to anything happening in the world today. How about focusing your energies on fighting our corrupt government rather than something you cannot now, nor probably ever will, be able to prove conclusively one way or the other?

    September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  92. Tangent

    What I think is humorous is that the evolutionists believe what they believe as fanatically as the religous people. Yet they mock them for their belief... So tell me, since you all seem to have the answers (Or PROOF as you call it), for all your knowledge, what exactly happened to the dinosaurs? Oh yeah, you don't KNOW, but you have a THEORY. Where did the moon come from? Oh yeah, you don't KNOW that either, but you have a THEORY. Did man evolve from apes? Oh, you don't KNOW that either, but you have a THEORY. So there you are mocking people who've held the same belief all these years while you change your BELIEFS to fit whatever the latest THEORY happens to be. Consider this, it was men of science who openly mocked Capt. John Hunter for what they KNEW was a hoax, but later found out the Platypus was real.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Volntyr

      I would rather believe in a Theory than some Invisible man, sitting on a cloud telling people to jump from one foot to another, follow these laws he has and if you dont, you will burn in eternal damnation but He loves you.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
      • Tangent

        That's it??? That's all you have to respond with??? More power to ya'. Please, when you draw your last breath (As we all will), please try to remember your obstinance.

        October 28, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
  93. Charms

    I always got the As in bilogy, evolution, etc back in the days but I surely always laughed at the cases made. I simply think there is a creator. Just an opinion.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  94. Keith

    I have long ago come to this conclusion:
    Religion and science are on two parallel paths, never to meet.
    To my scientific friends: religion is about FAITH
    To my religious friends: science is about FACT and OBSERVATION
    Both can and do exist in their own right. They are the antithesis to one another.
    If entry into heaven depends on true faith, then as God, why not challenge His prospective members?
    And if you don't believe in God, then what does it matter?

    September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  95. unknown11

    I personally have a 4 year degree, and thus earned passing grades in several science classes from grade school through college. I in no way consider myself an expert in the scientific method, or any particular branch of science as that is not really my field. However, it is obvious from the comments of those who most strongly defend evolution and what thay call 'science', that they generally know even less than I do. They attack those who they perceive as oponents with name calling, and disparaging remarks about intelligence. Their lack of knowledge about their chosen subject only serves to lower the level of the conversation. They argue only to hear themselves, and not to hear others. Those here would generally make lousy scientists as they don't seem able to observe and change.

    I guess that what I ask is for those who defend what they think is 'science' and deride what they see as faith to at least learn enough about the field in question so that they do not have to defend it using only the faith of the uneducated.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
  96. brian

    Religion explains why. Science explains how. These are different questions and one can not be applied to the other. Why deals with motive and intention, science deals with logistics. If I open a copier, I can see how it works, but I can not see why it is here. the purpose it to give the copier company money. Yet, if I open up earlier models of copiers, I can see how the current model has "evolved".

    Genesis 1 and 2 teaches us that we are created in the image of God and our purpose is to look after the Garden and be stewards of the Earth. If a day to God is a thousand years to man, I see no problems with Evolution and Creationism existing side by side. When each side gets hung up on literalism, evolutionists seem cold and creationists look like idiots.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
  97. motomot

    WERE WE CREATED OR DID WE HAPPEN BY CHANCE?:
    I'm a computer programmer, some of the most entertaining programs are the ones I've made to generate random output. Maybe God used such a random or evolving program in our DNA just to see what would result? Even if only for entertainment value during the creative process?
    DO SKELETONS OF MONKEY-LIKE HUMANS MILLIIONS OF YEARS OLD PROVE WE CAME FROM THEM?
    I don't think so, there's lots of intelligent & social animals...even monkeys today use tools. It doesn't mean we slowly evolved from whatever those creatures were. If he made dinosaurs, why couldn’t he have made something between human & ape for a while? It doesn’t make them human.
    IF WE CAN'T BELIEVE SPONTANEOUS LIFE , THEN HOW DID A GOD HAPPEN TO BE FROM NOTHING?
    I'm a Christian, this thought has troubled me more than any other...but science helped me understand how this is possible and supported my faith. The bible says that God has always been there, no beginning, no end. Einstein’s theories (accepted as fact today by most) show that time and space are connected, time is also relative and changes. Example: Time on the space station moves faster than it does here on earth (Fact. Look it up) so if time was something god created along with the universe, then it's possible in his realm, he could have always been there and he would also have the power to manipulate time which would explain how he can see the future (accurate bible prophecies are well documented).

    In the end, I find that most science supports a creator rather than discredits him. I believe in "intelligently guided evolution by a creator with power over everything, even time itself". It's all just too miraculous to have happened by chance alone.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
    • Answer

      Well motomot,

      When you live with a dinosaur who wins? Did God then give weapons to man to fend off the dinosaurs?
      Ohh .. .I see you think those dinosaurs were so big and cuddly right? That man rode them at their leisure? Had them with pets? That our perfectly formed status could talk with them and make them docile to our every command?

      Maybe that's how Noah had the capability to gather all those animals right? They never fought with each other.. they were passive and loving to each other. All your assumptions is just that. Dinosaurs will eat us or several of humans.
      I guess you want your version to be true with your fantasy in full bloom.

      September 12, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Answer

      Please enlighten me as to what those loving pets of ours, that lived alongside us, had as food. What did they eat?

      September 12, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  98. Answer

    I rather be educated with science than with religion.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
  99. Terre

    Of all western nations evolution is only controversial here in the US, probably similar to Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
  100. Kreamowhat

    Scientific fact is based on proof, no? We know mixing A+b=C and we can show our arithmetic or experiment how we arrive at the answer. Evolution, although it has some evidence to support it, is just one explanation to the origins of man. I love how everyone here is using evolution as "proof" God doesn't exist when that is one thing evolution has not proven. We dont know where humans branched off from other types of animals. We dont know where those organisms originated. We have a good guess, but i can guess what the weather will be like tomorrow with some accuracy but that doesnt mean i will be right. Evolution is in it infancy and to use it as definitive proof that God does not exist..is...well... unscientific.

    September 12, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • DustinMyselfOff

      You're right, but that fact that evolution IS TRUE (as much as almost anything we can "prove"), does prove (partially) that the bible is wrong. Therefore; the basis of most of the people commenting here for being christian in the first place is incorrect.

      September 12, 2011 at 3:55 pm |
    • Answer

      It is correct – evolution is less than 200 years of study.

      When you cling to your religious dogma and refute facts – you are refusing to be educated.
      Humans like to think of themselves as superior beings – and we are not. Animals in the wild can easily kill us if they were of intent, with hunger. If you like to keep on thinking that you're especially special, always wrapped in the sheltered hands of your imaginary god, well so be it.

      You can keep on denying all you want, for as long as you want. You'll die eventually like all humans will.
      The one thing you can never proof is your afterlife. Feel free to come back and tell us when you've died.

      September 12, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
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