Your thoughts on evolution
Researchers found hand bones of an adult female Australopithecus sediba in Malapa, South Africa.
September 12th, 2011
12:56 PM ET

Your thoughts on evolution

We knew our story on a possible human ancestor called Australopithecus sediba would be controversial, but never expected more than 1,900 comments to come in.

The post generated some pretty intense discussions involving readers who do not believe these new findings - or any evidence of human evolution, for that matter - because of their religious beliefs.

blake

Maybe your ancestor, not mine. I was created in the image of God, not evolved from from some lifeless goo over billions of years. The accident of time and chance. I don't have enough faith to believe those kind of fantastical fairy tales.

Religious sentiments such as this received a lot of backlash from readers such as gary, who writes:

Evolution is fact. Deities and demons are pretend. Bible is folklore, myth, superstition and legend.

There's also a large contingent of readers who don't see a contradiction between accepting the facts of science and having religious faith. Judas Priest writes:

Excuse me, but why does believing in god mean denying the wonders of creation that you can see and touch and evaluate? How does accepting that the world is billions of years old, and the universe billions of years older still, deny god? How does observing that things change over time refute god in any way? Why must god, and god's creation, be small enough to be encompassed by your tiny little mind and your tiny little book?

The hundreds of comments that formed these discussions annoyed readers like Pav, who thinks people with religious reasons for denying evolution should take their beliefs elsewhere.

Mathematicians don't have to justify the Pythagorean theorem every time they apply it to a new proof, and scientists don't need to justify evolution every time they talk about a new fossil. So, stop it!

Of course, not everyone sees it this way - earth2loons feels that evolution is a lot more controversial than the Pythagorean theorem, writing:

"...when you must eliminate the possibility of a creator from your interpretation of the data because of your own agnostic or atheistic biases, you will see what you want and need to see."

It's obvious that a lot of people have very passionate views on this topic but, this being a science blog, we are going to report with the assumption that the prevailing, tested theory with the most rigorous evidence - evolution - is true. And CNN has a Belief Blog that fosters conversations about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives.

And there's a lot of misunderstanding about evolution; it's really not as clear cut as you might think. Reader John Hanson writes:

There is always controversy surrounding the "discovery" of fossils that are supposed to bridge apes to humans because they're always plagued by assumptions made by paleontologists. They touted "Peking Man" as the "link" in the fossil chain proving evolution, then came to discover bones of homo sapiens in the same pit. There are too many assumptions and too little PROOF.

The truth is that there is no simple chain of ancestry with a "missing link" that scientists are trying to find. When we talk about the lineage of Homo sapiens, we acknowledge that there were a whole bunch of ancient relatives of various anatomical forms, some of which are more closely related to us than others. Check out this piece from Science 2.0 on the "missing link fallacy" to learn more about the complexity of tracing the evolution of our species.

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  1. Pat Griffin

    Humans wrote the Bible. God created nature. If creationism is false, some humans who wrote long ago guessed wrong. If evolution is false, God is a liar.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
    • OpforOpfor

      I think you're confused.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
  2. 3mate1

    There's no real controversy surrounding evolution.... which is variation over time through natural selection. Biologists and medical researchers use that model every day and every day it works. But Mary housewife or Joe the plumber who has NO UNDERSTANDING of what science is much less evolution, they dont get it and never will. You can spot them in a discussion immediately because they always, always, leave out natural selection as the driving force behind varioation over time. But Evolution does not, can not, exist without it. There must be a selective pressure. And the big bang has nothing to do with evolution either!!!

    September 12, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
  3. XT

    Children were taught and still are taught that Neanderthals bred with humans. DNA has disproved that but the "true believers" refuse to accept DNA evidence. That is blind faith...When "evolution" or Neanderthals as the missing link is proved to be false..the darwinist REFUSE to accept facts and go on preaching that ..such things..as Neanderthals bred with human..are facts
    That is why I am very sceptical about evolution..Every time the "darwinist" get a new "fact" it is soon proved to be false..by them...
    There isn't any mechanism for evolutiom..Survival has been disproved..Selective breeding has been disproved...Adaptation has been disproved
    So now ..we have..random..and that is not scientific..because science must predict something..and there isn't any mathematical model that will now or ever ..predict a random event..
    I listen to the arguments of darwinists. I would sooner believe in the tooth fairy!..
    And God..the living God who made us all..makes the ultimate sense.."In the beginning..was the word"

    September 12, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
    • Dan

      "have..random..and that is not scientific..because science must predict something..and there isn't any mathematical model that will now or ever ..predict a random event.."

      Yes they can. Ever hear of the coin toss? Statisticians find patterns in random (stochastic variation) all the time. They use it in gambling. This is why the Indians are making so much money off of stupid white people.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
      • Bibletruth

        I agree, gambling is stupid.

        September 12, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
  4. Eric

    What part of the basic cell came first DNA, RNA or proteins?

    Science clearly states that living matter cannot come from non-living matter.

    Also, something cannot come from nothing.

    Evolution has no reasonable fact based idea as to how life began.

    ▪ The first life on earth was not “simple.”
    ▪ The odds against even the components of a cell arising by chance are astronomical.
    ▪ DNA, the “computer program,” or code, that runs the cell, is incredibly complex and gives evidence of a genius that far surpasses any program or information storage system produced by humans.
    ▪ Genetic research shows that life did not originate from a single common ancestor. In addition, major groups of animals appear suddenly in the fossil record.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
  5. Glenc

    I think we need to clarify the terms being used. Evolution means change. That's it. The idea that things change. Darwinism says one species changes into another different species. Which is interesting since the definition of species that we use in science today was not defined until 1932 (something like that). One post said that micro-evolution (I'm assuming species changing into new species) has been proven. I don't what they are talking about. Hopefully not drug resistance. Drug resistance supports the concept that a given beasty can change. But MRSA is still staph it did not become a bacillus.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
  6. RST

    First and foremost, anyone who thinks they can get anything accomplished by arguing with random people on the internet should get be entitled to nice hard slap to the face and a free ice cream cone.

    That is all.

    Live long and prosper.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:22 pm |
  7. dru

    Everyday the evidence for evolution mounts to a monumental level and the "god" hypothesis completely lacks any logic. Where was god during the holocaust, during 9/11, during anything. Religion is a mental disease.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • OpforOpfor

      Where was God when the great flood ocurred? Read the bible.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
  8. Dan

    Sure... I believe in evolution, why not?
    I also believe in those who believe in God. They give me freedom, freedom to learn about evolution.
    How else would we be able to convince people to go off to war and fight and die for us unless we convinced them that this was Holy War?

    September 12, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • Richard

      Well said!

      September 12, 2011 at 8:22 pm |
  9. Glenc

    Let us not forget that the guy who discovered Australopithecus sediba has an axe to grind. By calling the bones a "human ancestor" he gets in the news, his university gets in the news and his research gets more funding. If he announced he just dug up a bunch of monkey bones .... no press, no recognition, no funding.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • DC

      Of course FUNDING is on the line. Meanwhile, millions of kids have to listen to this crap not knowing how to read.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
      • Glenc

        My college bio professor (state liberal arts school, not a christian university) told me that Darwin is the pablum we feed kids because they don't know enough math to understand how it really works. He took the first couple weeks destroying Darwin before he started teaching such things as random genetic drift.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
  10. David DeForge

    Evolution.

    End of story.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
  11. Paul

    Micro Evolution has been scientifically proven beyond any shadow of a doubt. Macro Evolution has not been proven because the process of macro-evolution IS NOT observable and cannot be recreated or tested in a laboratory.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
  12. Richard

    When did god make all of the fossils?

    September 12, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    • OpforOpfor

      When an ape dies, its bones fossilize over time.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:23 pm |
  13. Shawn Irwin

    The "god" arguement was, is, and will always be, weak when brought up against evolution. If I were a perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful being, I certainly would not create a world where sentient beings must prey upon other sentient beings to survive. If all the animals came from the ark, why are the marsupials only in Austrailia, and likewise with many other endemic species? If "god" is all-knowing and knows the past and future, why is there a old and new testament? The real problem with the "god" theory supporters is that they are naive, gullible and under-educated, or simply mentally lazy. Those who are mentally lazy accept what others say as true without verifying it. It's simply another aspect of evolution manifesting itself, deception is a survival mechanism, political and religious leaders have mastered it.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
  14. big jon

    I need some popcorn...

    September 12, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
    • Richard

      I will get the soda and candy.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
      • OpforOpfor

        Any Kool-Aid?

        September 12, 2011 at 8:23 pm |
  15. Patrick Brinkmann

    People who dismiss the idea of evolution and having evolved from apes, and instead have been thrown into a garden of eden and descended straight form the lap of a hypothetical woman named Eve surely could not have evolved from apes and monkeys. With that kind of intelligence the monkeys or apes descended from them before evolution turned them into humans with a mind.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
  16. ken

    The answer is simple. So simple non of you will believe it. It isnt God. It isnt Evolution. Its Genetic Manipulation of life by Alien species that came to this planet from somewhere else. The Mythologies confirm it if you read them while keeping in context the fact that people always refer to things they dont understand as magic or the will of the gods. All the mysteries of the bible suddenly become common sense if God is an alien and the Angels are aliens and the so called devil is an alien as well. The bible says the devil is in charge of this world until god returns. Go back to the babylonian/sumerian myths and you find that the God of creation has all the characteristics of the devil, the trickster, the inventor who created mortal man in the image of the so called gods. The argument of the gods over wiping out humanity, the flood myth and so on. Stop believing in magic. Stop believing in chance (evolution) and start believing in the truth. we were created and manipulated for speciic reasons. Whatever happened to these so called gods is beyond our knowing for now but they threatened to return and I dont think that its gonna be the glorious wonder that the christians believe it will be...

    September 12, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
  17. OpforOpfor

    So for those that don't believe in Evolution. Then what are all these bones and skeletons that archeologist find?

    September 12, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • Ken

      Clearly put there by Satan to deceive us from the truth GOT DANG IT.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Their bones and skeletons. And what does that have to do with the theory of evolution???????????????????

      September 12, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
  18. tony the belogne

    we are created as a human not monkeys or apes. God bless you all

    September 12, 2011 at 8:13 pm |
    • Ken

      Oh really? How do you explain the 32 fossils that link us to smaller apes?

      September 12, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
      • DC

        they don't. Wild speculation.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • Cass314

      Got some evidence for that?

      September 12, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
  19. CarvXV

    Since it is pointless to argue about the whole subject while many people are completely confused about the natural sciences and also about the scientific methodology, I'll just say that you either believe it or not, and that's your choice. I'll also say that it is almost universally accepted by the scientific community, and this is an indisputable FACT.

    The brightest minds in the world believe in evolution. Are you bright enough to prove them wrong?

    September 12, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • Ken

      (physics) early classical mechanics as propounded by Isaac Newton, especially that based on his laws of motion and theory of gravity. Just in case you didn't realize that Gravity is a Theory.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Tells us something about the brightest minds I suppose...lol

      September 12, 2011 at 10:18 pm |
  20. Ian

    Evolution in scientific terms is a change in gene frequency from one generation to the next. It is very simple and really unintimidating once your actually know what natural selection and evolution are. For example: one type of the staph bacteria were once able to be destroyed with the methicillian antibiotic. Soon, a random mutation occurred in a bacterium's genetic code that imparted a resistance to this antibiotic. Bacteria that were not resistant died; bacteria that were resistant due to this mutation survived to reproduce. Now we have MRSA. This is observed empirically and is not a hypothesis or a guess, rather it is fact as much so as the fact that water dissolves salt. That's it. That's evolution. Not really scary, and not really ungodly. Perhaps a creator used the process of evolution to create us in his image...

    September 12, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • OpforOpfor

      What you explained about the bacteria is that the stronger bacteria survived. It has nothing to do with evolution. Just like if a sick person dies, and the healthier one survives. So what? Doesn't mean the healthier person is above the unhealthy one.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
      • Ian

        What I explained is the concept of sexual fitness. The organisms with mutations that are advantageous to their fitness are able to reproduce more often, sending their alleles in greater numbers to the next generation. That's is. That's evolution. A change in allele (gene) frequency from one generation t the next.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
  21. xkcd301subtext,cnn

    I think modern theories are behind, it is clear that the root of the biological tree is the bible itself, people came from the paper in the bible. everyone has got it backwards! the bible though did evolve from gods original literature, the Voynich manuscript

    September 12, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
  22. ikefriday

    There are two very important scientists who have unintentionally disproven evolution: Darwin and Dawkins. Darwin admitted that if his theory is correct there would be not just one or two potential transitional fossils, but thousands of transitional fossils creating entire completed chains between one species and another. That simply does not exist. Dawkins WEASEL project showed that if DNA could be passed by osmosis, it would take 40 generations to produce the simplest changes. But DNA is not passed on by osmosis. It is passed on through procreation, which means just the change in sex organs would have to come in one generation. Dawkins unintentionally proved that evolution is a statistical impossibility.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • Ken

      You only need one transitional fossil for hundreds of different species. Have you ever heard of Darwin's Finches?

      September 12, 2011 at 8:13 pm |
  23. Annoyed Sean

    For the love of all that is sane, why must the argument of religion and evolution be here? This is a news article, and I am trying to write a report here. I know that I don't need to look at the comments but those are apparently the main topic here when I clicked on it for research. So please take it elsewhere.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
  24. John Wilson

    Fact, we evolved. Here is the proof: http://www.amazon.com/Why-Evolution-True-Jerry-Coyne/dp/0143116649/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315872407&sr=8-1
    End of discussion.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
  25. MK54

    It has been my observation that in science and in religion, when people don't know they simply make up something to fill the gaps rather than admit that they don't have a clue. Religion fills the gaps with ideas that are often presented as absolute truths, science fills the gaps with hypotheses. Science has a relatively easy process for backing away from hypotheses that are proven wrong. Religious beliefs change glacially slow, even when they are obviously mistaken.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:08 pm |
    • Ken

      Science rewards those who prove themselves wrong, you actually get bonus points for that. Once the obersvable facts change, the hypothesis changes. Bottom line.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
  26. Eric

    ▪ The first life on earth was not “simple.”
    ▪ The odds against even the components of a cell arising by chance are astronomical.
    ▪ DNA, the “computer program,” or code, that runs the cell, is incredibly complex and gives evidence of a genius that far surpasses any program or information storage system produced by humans.
    ▪ Genetic research shows that life did not originate from a single common ancestor. In addition, major groups of animals appear suddenly in the fossil record.

    What part of the basic cell came first DNA, RNA or proteins?

    Science clearly states that living matter cannot come from non-living matter.

    Also, something cannot come from nothing.

    Evolution has no reasonable fact based idea as to how life began.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
  27. Bryce

    @fimeilleur

    So I didn't read anything you wrote. But would you happen to agree that Peanut Butter Sandwiches are delicious?

    September 12, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
  28. beelzebubba

    Christianity has taken discredited doctrine when it is so glaringly obvious that no doofus will believe it any more. It has admitted there are no witches or demons, that the mentally ill who hear voices are not communicating with gaaaaaawd, that the universe does not revolve around the earth, and now they are trying to come to terms with the fossil evidence that science has been examining for a few hundred years now. By definition they are always 'right', so it isn't easy for them to admit they have been pig-headed and misled by their cult leaders. But Divine Design is just an attempt by simplistic, self-appointed, non-scholarly fundamentalist, dishonest cult-leaders to weasel religion into the public schools... because they have no constitutional right to do so openly. And Texass school system decisions are often applied to text books that other states have to use. Repulsive! Keep religion (especially fundamentalism ) out of our schools.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • John Wilson

      Great post!! LOL

      September 12, 2011 at 8:50 pm |
  29. John Andreas Zimmer

    As a member of the radical middle that's not taking it anymore, I must say that both Evangelicals and atheists are both wrong and brat children who need a big black grandmother to beat your butts raw!

    Everybody knows the real reason you (southern) evangelicals marry your second cousins and screw your sisters. You hypocrite evangelicals also know the Bible comdemns incest, but you choose to practice it anyway. The only way you can you hypocrite evangelicals can think of to justify your incest is to believe that God created only two first humans whose offspring would have to have screwed each other to reproduce. By the way, hypocrite evangelicals and Tea Party collegues- your favorite economist Ludwig von Mieses was a fascist atheist who called Jesus the first Bolshevist. It is you hypocrite evangelicals who cause the Name of God is mocked in America!

    Nobody anywhere else in the world wants to hear atheists talk about anything- because you are responsible for communism and fascism. The atheistic Soviet Union and its Evil Empire murdered 100 million people throughout the world- because they dared to believe in God. Your atheistic communist Stalinist Gulags were far worse than the Spanish Inquisition, Crusades and al Qaeda combined. Even the young Europeans are turning back to Catholicism because of the mass murders of atheistic communists. You atheists had your turn and you ruined the whole world with your endless imperalistic wars.

    No, the Bible tells why WHY God created everything, and science tells us HOW God created everything.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
  30. Jeff

    Doesn't the existence of Rick Perry confirm humanity evolved from monkeys...with varying results?

    September 12, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
  31. Name*Mike

    JESUS IS LORD John 3:16

    September 12, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
  32. Joshua

    It seems to be as much of a religious belief as any other, which has it's fanatically devout followers and apologists.

    It's difficult for most people to swallow the idea that fish eventually transformed themselves into dinosaurs, however long the period of time between forms may be speculated as being.

    I know personally I do not reject evolution over favoring a different scientific theory, but rather as a matter of accepting the testimony of God over men and the theories of men.

    It seems to me that many people here would like to force their darwinian belief system upon us. How religious in nature.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
  33. Glenc

    Evolution (ie change) absolutely no problem. Darwinism .... totally hogwash. Not even bad science, not science at all. If "Origin of Species" were a college thesis, it would get an F. There are so many errors in it that it is laughable. Big dogs and little dogs are different species according to Darwin. LOL LOL LOL If it wasn't for the last chapter that say man and monkeys have a common ancestor, no one would even bother reading this junk.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
  34. Kenny

    Wow, lots of morons in the world today.. Heres the thing, Im a Christian and fully believe in evolution. Creationists are just stupid, plain and simple, Things evolve, therefor evolution is real. Why can't that be God's plan? Take your blinders off, you're brain washed!

    September 12, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    • Glenc

      As a fellow Christian I too appreciate the God has the potential for change (evolution) within a species. But the book I base my faith on says God created man. I see nothing in the fossil record that supports the concept that there is an unbroken change of evolution from ancient monkey to man. In fact science will tell you that it is not likely you have any Neanderthal in you. That pretty well breaks the chain right there. There are two key things between all these other monkeys and man we can see in the fossil record. Man wore clothes for reasons other than warmth, just as Adam and Evil put on leaves. Man buries their dead. Just as Cane buried Able. I am comfortable with the truth of the Bible.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Because God has told us plainly the beginning of things. Christians believe God over mens words. Christians obey God over mens requirements.

      September 12, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
  35. DC

    Evolution is junk science.

    Kids in school seem to have difficulty with things such as reading and simple math.

    Yet, people waste far too much time on evolution and significantly more emphasis is put into evolutionary gobbleygook rather than more practical studies. Most people professing to be evolutionists cannot even create separate abio from evolution. Rather difficult to reason with all those "evolutionists" who don't even know what they believe. Evolution is hardly "a fact". Abio is hardly "a fact". Only fools utter those phrases.

    A better education is spent studying real science such as physics, mathematics or chemistry with concentration on graduating more engineers and other meaningful professions rather than putting undo attention to the latest sensational hype and fraud from the latest partial fossil finds.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
    • Ken

      How do you explain the walking whale? How do you explain the ear bones changing in several transitional fossils for land-based hearing? How do you explain people being born without mollars (wisdom teeth)? How do you exlpain the tail humans have before being born? How do you explain the leg pods whales have before being born? How do you explain the teeth whales have that turn into bhales?

      September 12, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
      • DC

        How do you explain anything with evolution without changing your tune a couple years later?
        Evolution is junk science mostly predicated on hype.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
  36. William Ammons

    If evolution is true, then how exactly do fish turn into amphibians, or reptiles into birds? This is science so no conjuncture but solid scientific facts. No storytelling, folktales, or nursery rhymes. Facts, just plain facts. Again, where's the scientific proof that birds turn into mammals or that fish evolve into frogs?

    When you actually try to prove the theory of evolution then it gets problematic. How did the human blood clotting system evolve into existence when humans couldn't live without it from the being?

    I've taken 21 hours of biology and was never convinced of any truth of evolution. It is simply a theory. If you believe in the theory of evolution then that's your belief. You are entitled to it.

    However, it is incredibly hypocritical for you to make fun of and bash other people for their beliefs when you yourself hold beliefs not accepted by others. Do you belief in alien beings? Where's your proof?

    Science is not my god. However, don't fool yourself into being that you belief system is formed by nothing but facts. Your beliefs (all your beliefs) are just that beliefs. Can you proof scientifically everything you belief in?

    You can reject the Bible, but why make fun of people who choose to believe in the truthfulness of the Book. You can reject Christ and say you need no salvation from sin, but why belittle others who belief? It's illogical and just plain mean-spirited. Why make fun of people that don't agree with you? Doesn't seem right to me?

    If you desire to believe in evolution then belief, that's your right. However, calling others names and putting down other peoples beliefs doesn't make you a better person. It actually cheapens your character and shows that you aren't near as "open minded" and "accepting" as you would people belief.

    What about the issue of human sinfulness? Where does sin come from? Is murder wrong or rape or genocide? Why would one human being kill another? If we are truly "evolved" in our thinking. Why are you peaceful and others full of hate? Why do you feel superior to those that you disagree with? Are these good virtues? I don't think so.

    The fact of the matter is, we are all sinners and need redemption. Just like any relationship that depends on trust, character matters. If we are to have a relationship with God, the Creator of the universe, then our character does matter. If we are sinners, then why not confess it? If you belief you are perfect and without sin, then why do you belittle and mock others? Doesn't seem right to me.

    Jesus died on the cross for the sins of those that accept Him as Lord as Savior. You don't have to accept it, and you don't have to believe it. However, don't mock or belittle those that do. If others decided to believe in a loving God who forgives sin, what's that to you? Are you harmed or wronged? I don't see how.

    Those that refuse forgiveness and choose sin and rebellion over a relationship with God desire eternal punishment. The proof of God's love is that He created you and sent His Son, Jesus Christ to die on the cross for you and your sins.

    You don't have to belief it or accept it. But why belittle or mock those that do? Doesn't seem right to me.

    Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." John 3:16 (For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

    If you don't belief it that fine. But why make fun of those that do? Does seem right to me.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
    • Ken

      Gravity is also a "simple" theory. And read up on endothermy before making idiotic posts.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
      • CarvXV

        Gravity is a law. A law is an observation of phenomena. A theory was formulated to explain why gravity happens.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
    • CarvXV

      I think you are entitled to 21-hours-worth of refund from whatever POS college you attended.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
      • Ken

        (physics) early classical mechanics as propounded by Isaac Newton, especially that based on his laws of motion and theory of gravity You were saying?

        September 12, 2011 at 8:09 pm |
      • beelzebubba

        I'm guessing Bob Jones 'university'

        September 12, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
  37. Dan

    Hmmm...

    religion or evolution?

    Let's see...
    Bible's are free, Milford Wolpoff's "Paleoanthropology" is currently going for $190.00 used.
    Going to church is largely free, college tuition is around $1600.00 a credit for out-of-state students, $600.00 for in-state.
    "Believing" in religion is much easier than actually thinking through the complex permutations, mathematical calculations, and statistical information involved in logic and theory.

    Sadly, I think evolution will evolve itself right out at this pace.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
    • OpforOpfor

      What does math have anything to do in this? lol

      September 12, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    • Ken

      Yes, because a church never gained any money through tithe you freaking idiot. Holy crap think before you post.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
      • Dan

        Christians are some of the most arrogant people I've ever met. Ken is a perfect example.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
      • beelzebubba

        RE: "Christians are some of the most arrogant people I've ever met. Ken is a perfect example."
        But of course Ken might say... he isn't perfect... only forgiven as he relishes the thought of you suffering eternal torment

        September 12, 2011 at 8:13 pm |
  38. john

    this is the biggest troll article i have ever seen. there is no other purpose than to open up the floor and instigate a war. how bizarre.

    September 12, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
  39. Tha Sauce

    I find it interesting reading a bunch of apes arguing about whether or not they evolved from apes. Hello! YOU ARE A MONKEY and are still evolving into something else, generation by generation. Hear that? You didn't evolve from ape to "godlike" human, you are just a sophisticated ape, and one day, unless we annhilate ourselves, apes more advanced than us will roam the earth. Take that, you silly monkeys with your ass-scratching and beating off.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
    • Ken

      Great ape =/= monkey. ^_~

      September 12, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
    • OpforOpfor

      Been watching Planet of the Apes lately? lol

      September 12, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
  40. Moses

    As a child while reading my Father's (Sabbath observant) schoolbooks I asked him why the book said earth was created millions of years ago and the Bible said it took G-D 6 days and HE rested on the seventh. His answer was "Do we know what length of time was a G-D's day?". That was good enough for me as well as for my Father.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
    • Someone

      Actually, there is some truth in your father's words – we base days on the cycle of the sun and the moon, both of which were created on the third day – so time itself, as we know it, wasn't created until the third day – hence demanding that G-d punches a time clock, based on earthly cycles, is bogus.

      September 12, 2011 at 11:16 pm |
  41. dcomus

    Evolution – in terms of the diversity of life originating from completely random mutations - is a farce and impossible. If you take just about any complex thing such as a cell, eye, wings on numerous kinds of completely different creatures (let alone the instinct to know how to even use them), could never have evolved through a series of random additive mutations. Can you explain why a partially evolved eye (or just about any other organ) would be allowed to someday evolve into something useful? Why would evolution/natural selection retain random mutations and propagate them to the next stage if they have no purpose? Does it propagate them in the hope that some day down the road it would actually turn into something useful after millions and billions of random mutations have occurred???? What a complete joke.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
  42. Elohim

    It's sweet that children believe in Santa; but they're children. Adults have no excuse except sheer stupidity.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
    • john

      scientitsts have proposed theories that are far more ridiculous than santa claus (string theory) and there is some seriously scary sht going on between quantum mechanics and g. relativity. you think everythings as easy as you think? theres more to it than "does god exist"

      September 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
  43. joe

    One thing I always hate about questions like this being posed by websites, is that when you ask a question like "what do you think about evolution?". You are actually asking "what do you believe?". Science isn't about belief, it's about what can be shown through evidence. The theory of evolution is backed up by ton's of evidence in the form of fossils and can be seen working in bacteria and viruses in a time scale that can be measured. If you don't believe in evolution then why get vaccinated against the latest strain of the flu? Why worry about new strains of bacteria? Anyone who disagrees with this just isn't seeing what's right there in from of them. The evidence is there and more is being found all the time that helps complete the missing parts of the puzzle. Also a theory in science is considered more "true" than a fact because it is backed up by so much evidence. When websites reduce the question to what you "believe", the loud crackpots of creationism will always try to hog the conversation and try to be the loudest. It doesn't make them right just loud and annoying. As a kid we are encouraged to believe in some form of Santa Claus. Doesn't make him real. Belief does not equal evidence.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
    • DC

      "Science isn't about belief, it's about what can be shown through evidence. The theory of evolution is backed up by ton's of evidence in the form of fossils "
      --–
      The fossils are real.
      The theory is mostly BS.
      A bunch of idiots making stupid assumptions they retract a couple years later.

      Your argument is the same stupid one certain BIble people make. They may state: Everything I study and find is so complex my idea about a god must be correct.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
  44. ruben

    the bible doesn't deny evolution nor does accredit it. i don't take the bible literally nor the ancients as well. for instance, when the bible mentions the sun going black and the moon turning red, it's not literally talking about such matters but a change in governing bodies. i believe in both. i think evolution actually proves the bible right. just think, God chose us. meaning, we evolved faster than other species. he saw something in us that was different. charles darwin even said that creation is evolving towards perfection.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • Ken

      So much stupidity, so little time. First and foremost, if you can't believe in one book in the Bible, why in the HELL would you believe anything else in it? If you don't take it literally, then how can you say that it provides actual evidence? Why was God so mysterious in laying out his work, could it be a bunch of moronic, illiterate shepards with no grip on reality wrote these things? I think so, and I think you're an idiot for not taking it seriously but still believing.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
  45. Patrick

    This is a news site, this is a NEWS story.
    Just because you dont belive it doesn't mean it doesn't exsist.
    i don't belive in the bible, but if they discover new writtings from one of the Twelve Apostles it is news.
    i've never seen sarah palin in person, and i'd like to belive that she does not exsist, but, unfortunatly, CNN will keep reporting on her.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
  46. Dave

    In the New Testament, Romans Chapter 1:18-24, 'For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
    Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.'

    September 12, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • Ken

      Blah blah blah, no single credible source to verify that since humans weren't made yet. Therefore no one actually saw any of this happen. Therefore you're just blindly following some stupid stone-age literature.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
      • Dave

        Well Ken, I understand that you don't have any reason to believe this but the premise of the passage is that from God's perspective nothing needs to be further revealed of His exisitence to mankind than what is already simply observed in nature... and this will be the basis of His judgment on all mankind. Believe it or not. That's what it says.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
      • Ken

        I believe that it exists within the passages of the Bible, I'm just saying for such a holy book inspired by God, you sure cast a lot of doubt on multiple passages, so why should I take THAT one seriously, if you don't even take it all seriously?

        September 12, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
      • Dave

        In repsonse to your last post... the idea of God cannot exist apart from the idea that He is Creator... all-powerful, all knowing, etc. certainly, it is understood that if the book of Genesis is undermined then the entire message is undermined... but with a passage like the one in Romans... it is clear enough to state that He has already revealed Himself... and for those who reject this He turns them over to a debased mind and to their lusts... The Scripture is very clear... that God created the physical world in a week... the stars as well as the beam of light that transmits its light across the 'light years' I am willing to be called a fool and an ignoramous by anyone for believing this... because the idea of who God is... is based on the idea that He is the One who created everything by speaking it into existence... and as Romans says... His invisible attributes are clearly seen in a simple observation of nature to where at the end of our lives no of us will have an excuse when we stand before Him... I am willing to be ridiculed for this

        September 12, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
    • Answer

      'For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness .. " blah blah

      Why don't you sissies ever look at the sentence for what the sentence can tell us.
      For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven .. that's it.

      What was the wrath of God? Okay list them, a volcano erupting? Earthquake? Tsunami? Hurricane? Rain? Sleet? Snow? Slipping on a banana peel?

      What have we learned about nature? For the simpletons that keep themselves in constant fear of god's wrath, keep hiding, go off and die. Don't care.

      Simple facts were those idiots from our past did not understand nature. The force and power of the earth itself. It's weather and the energy of the earth. You can attribute anything you want to God himself to explain something that happened in nature but it will not be so. Until you can prove it as being from God.

      Writing that stupid line "For the wrath of God is revealed" only serves to remind yourself that you had FAITH in believing and attributing it to your god. Of course you never did understand a statement from a conclusion based on facts. Go back school.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
      • Answer

        Here I'm going to help you stupid people see how stupid your logic is.. I will hope you will follow this to your tragic end. Please follow these instructions as I will point them out as coming from God himself. So please follow them.

        The wrath of God comes in the forms of a tsunami and hurricane. Of which you can not disprove because your faith tells you to, it is written in your book. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness .."

        Man can predict with a modest precision that hurricanes will and do form out of the Atlantic. You've witnessed them.

        You eastern state on the Atlantic coast have felt them. They are a sign from your God of your unfaithfulness to Him. Accept the hurricanes as your punishment. Why will you not move towards the point of a hurricane that came from God to punish you? When is the next hurricane that will form? The guys at the National Weather gives you updates at most three days in ADVANCE of God's hurricane. So the next time you hear of a hurricane PLEASE RUN and catch up to it! Accept your punishment and come to HIS divine embrace. This is God's will.

        Tell me you'll go and do as advised. I will be glad to read about your deaths.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:59 pm |
  47. havanaclipper

    It's really frightening to see that this is even being debated in the modern world – mostly by citizens of this country, I might add. It would be like debating that the sun is a star. It's not really up for discussion and it doesn't require your opinion. Just like the fact that the sun rises from the east does not require your opinion.

    That being said, I also do not see a problem with believing in both evolution and intelligent design if you so desire. There is no conflict in believing that God, among His many accomplishments, also created the laws of physics and the laws that make the universe "work", including evolution.

    What we are hearing are the voices of a small minority who have not yet evolved into higher thought but we should take solace in the knowledge that even they will become extinct eventually.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • john

      evolution is still a theory with MANY holes. alien seed implantation has as many theories, and probably more evidence than evolution. you stating it is a fact is bizarre. even evolutionary scientists know we have no proof, only good "leads" so to speak. hubris. it never ceases to amaze me

      September 12, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
      • havanaclipper

        I know where the many holes are, and they reside within the ludicrous idea that this is being debated. Neither my opinion nor yours matters. However, we will continue to evolve whether you believe it or not. The sun will rise from the east tomorrow whether you believe it or not. I'm confident the universe does not need or ask for your opinion before the sun rises or sets or a species becomes extinct.

        September 12, 2011 at 9:36 pm |
  48. Wonderkid

    WE ARE ANCIENT ALIENS 🙂

    September 12, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
  49. WoI Admin

    Evolution provides a far more realistic, believable and satisfying account of creation than religion does for me – however even evolution, traced back through biology and astronomy, cannot ultimately explain the unknowable aspects of the origins of creation regarding life or the universe itself.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Ken

      Evolution =/= Abiogenesis. Get your science right before you make such stupid posts.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
      • WoI Admin

        Perhaps you'd care to explain where the first life on earth came from then?
        From what did those original bacteria evolve?

        Please tell me you're not one of those people who believes they arrived on earth from aliens or asteroids.

        September 12, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
    • WoI Admin

      The reason for this is very simple: There is lots of evidence for evolution!

      If creationism had thousands of fossils I could hold in my hand to verify its claims I might take it more seriously.

      But as it stands – evolution has evidence and religion asks me to take it on faith. I am not inclined to believe in things without even the slightest shred of evidence.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
      • Ken

        Just wiki abiogenesis, this isn't that complicated.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
  50. Bill

    Evolution is an observable and real. As far as a "Designer" is concerned, I like the ancient astronaut theories.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • john

      um. no its not... not by a long shot.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
  51. James

    How about, God created evolution?

    September 12, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • Ken

      How about leave God out of it until you have tangible evidence, and stop attributing stupid ideas to the ambiguous one?

      September 12, 2011 at 7:52 pm |
  52. Jerome

    Simply stated, I concur with Blake's response. (first response in this long list of feedback).

    September 12, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
  53. Wonderkid

    We humans are an extraterrestrial race. Our earthly ancestors evolved here on this planet along with other organisms millions of years ago then were genetically "jump started" by our humanoid ancestors who were more evolved. Thus, explaining the "missing link". Adam and Eve were the first human prototypes.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
  54. Eric

    What came first DNA, RNA or Proteins?

    September 12, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
  55. tgreen7

    Yes, I believe that there is an infinite being that has infinite power. Yes, I believe that that infinite being created the universe and everything in it in 6 literal days around 6,000 years ago. Yes, evolutionist believe that life came from a rock.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • Ken

      Nice strawman, it's a common tactic from the layman religious folk who have no clue what they're talking about. And I'm not sure if you'r eretarded, or just trolling.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
      • tgreen7

        It is completely true. according to the Primordial Soup idea, which many people agree, there was only earth and since this was before life there were only rocks. Apparently it rained a lot and life was somehow created. Therefore life came from a rock.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
  56. Eric

    1. How did life begin?
    Does science say something can't come from nothing?
    Doesn't science say something alive can't come from non-living matter?
    2. Is any form of life really simple?
    The complex molecules in the simplest living thing cannot reproduce alone. Outside the cell, they break down. Inside the cell, they cannot reproduce without the help of other complex molecules. For example, enzymes are needed to produce a special energy molecule called adenosine triphosphate (ATP), but energy from ATP is needed to produce enzymes. Similarly, DNA is required to make enzymes, but enzymes are required to make DNA. Also, other proteins can be made only by a cell, but a cell can be made only with proteins.
    What came first dna, rna or proteins?
    3.Where did the instructions come from?
    If evolution is true, then it should seem at least reasonably possible that DNA could have come about by means of a series of chance events. If the Bible is true, then DNA should provide strong evidence that it is the product of an orderly, intelligent mind.
    Fact: DNA is packaged within the chromosomes in a manner so efficient that it has been called a “feat of engineering.”
    Question: How could such order and organization arise by undirected chance events?
    ▪ Fact: DNA’s capacity to store information still has no equal in today’s computer age.
    Question: If human computer technicians cannot achieve such results, how could mindless matter do so on its own?
    ▪ Fact: DNA contains all the instructions needed to build a unique human body and maintain it throughout life.
    Question: How could such writing come about without a writer, such programming without a programmer?
    ▪ Fact: For DNA to work, it has to be copied, read, and proofread by a swarm of complex molecular machines called enzymes, which must work together with precision and split-second timing.
    Question: Do you believe that highly complex, highly reliable machinery can come about by chance? Without solid proof, would not such a belief amount to blind faith?

    4.Has All Life Descended From a Common Ancestor?
    Recent research continues to contradict Darwin’s theory of common descent. For example, in 2009 an article in New Scientist magazine quoted evolutionary scientist Eric Bapteste as saying: “We have no evidence at all that the tree of life is a reality.” The same article quotes evolutionary biologist Michael Rose as saying: “The tree of life is being politely buried, we all know that. What’s less accepted is that our whole fundamental view of biology needs to change.”

    ▪ The first life on earth was not “simple.”
    ▪ The odds against even the components of a cell arising by chance are astronomical.
    ▪ DNA, the “computer program,” or code, that runs the cell, is incredibly complex and gives evidence of a genius that far surpasses any program or information storage system produced by humans.
    ▪ Genetic research shows that life did not originate from a single common ancestor. In addition, major groups of animals appear suddenly in the fossil record.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • Dan

      you lost me at "Does science say something can't come from nothing?"...

      September 12, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • JoJo

      Matter and anti-matter can diverge from nothing and then annihilate each other into nothing again.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • CarvXV

      What is the point of using scientific facts if you are using them to ask rhetoric questions? Also, nowhere in the scientific world has there ever been a valid argument based on the fact that the original hypothesis lacks certain evidence. Lack of data is never the answer to prove a hypothesis false.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      "▪ Fact: DNA’s capacity to store information still has no equal in today’s computer age."
      If you know about Moore's Law then you know this will only be true for about 10-20 more years. Better hope the rapture happens before then, otherwise you will be faced with more reality you'll have to try to find ways to deny. Sounds exhausting.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
      • Eric

        The word rapture never appears in the bible and is a false teaching that contradicts God's purpose for the earth and would indicate that God failed to make a paradise earth.

        Your scientific response is that you are going to prove it in 10-20 years?

        Why can't you admit evolution is a theory, not a fact. Saying that evolution is hard science without giant loopholes is just not accurate. True Christians love science because all scientific fact supports what the bible mentions about science even thought the bible is not a science book.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
      • Answer

        Oh you can't read is that it?

        Theories are based on testable facts.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
      • Ashrakay

        @Eric, believe me. When I responses like yours, I actually do doubt evolution. But I guess intellectual maturity will take a lot more time to reach its apex.

        Evolution is a fact. The only people who doubt it, are the ones who either lack the intellect to understand it, or the intellectual integrity to accept it. To deny it is just another form of laziness that you are employing to justify whatever doesn't fit into the story you tell yourself to make yourself feel better.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
      • Eric

        I am stating facts based on scientific evidence. Keep an open mind and investigate. Responding with an insult does disprove valid points I have made.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
      • Ashrakay

        @Eric, The thing is, I state everything you listed as well and then say, therefore evolution is real. What you presented is called reductive reasoning.

        not to mention that, "Doesn't science say something alive can't come from non-living matter?" No science (as if it's a person) doesn't say this. Re: antimatter, quantum theory.
        "Is any form of life really simple?" Yes, they're called single-celled organisms.

        "Where did the instructions come from?" More reductive reasoning that assumes instructions come from somewhere and not just based on the laws of physics that govern the particular dimension we live in. To assume that if there are rules, someone must have made them, is reductive.

        You getting my point? I can go line by line and have a ridiculous list actually targeting your list, but I think any thinking person can see the flaws without me needing to spell them out.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
  57. GOD MADE MAN OUT OF DIRT, AND WHEN MAN DIES HE TURNS BACK TO DIRT

    Simple fact, yet true.

    All all these natural disasters, and economic crises happen as a punishment from God for dening Him.
    It will get worse, and America WILL fall apart if people don't change.

    Read the last book of the Bible(Revalation) and you will have lots of proof God existes. Thats for those who are unsure he existes.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • tgreen7

      I completely agree. Like my dad says there are no unbelievers in Hell

      September 12, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • Dan

      Have you ever read Ezekial? I'm convinced that it is an alien sighting. Seriously – read the first few pages, you'll crap.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      Well, if we non-believers can take a few believers with us when we go, then it'll be worth it.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • Answer

      I'll be glad when your own personal gods do take you away. Be sure of that.

      Just make sure you fools don't ever come back.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
      • Ashrakay

        And leave the keys under your door mat!

        September 12, 2011 at 8:30 pm |
    • Someone

      A stupid argument. In early US history, we had slavery, which was is the exploitation of human beings. We have always had natural disasters – but now it has gotten so much worse since we now have most of our population in the coastal areas in harm's way. There are those that said that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was G-d's retribution.

      So tell me – how are you doing on Earth's resources, hmm? Do you at least try to minimize your abuse, or do you drive a big gas guzzler because it is cool? Do you walk a mile in someone else shoes, or do you think that giving someone access to something that couldn't afford is evil Socialism?

      September 12, 2011 at 11:26 pm |
  58. goober

    we are all made in his noodley image, we just can't see reality to realize that our meatballs need sauce.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • Dan

      I'm hip... and just imagine... if it weren't for His noodly appendages, we would all float away!

      September 12, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      Blessed be his meat sauce.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • john

      did you wake up today and say "Hmm, i think ill find a conversation about the meaning of life.. and jump in and suck the blood out of the marrow by displaying my ignorance on a stage the size of kansas"?

      September 12, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
  59. goldminetown

    According to the bible,all of men to day are descendants of Noah !

    I have problem with how Noah collected all animals from all over the world with the mode of transportation he had then.How did he feed them.How did he send them back to places all over the world,including North pole ?Well,don't ask questions,just believe,OK ?

    Bible,I think,was written by men.IMHO men created God because of fear of unknown phenomena.It was easy to believe and understand thousand years ago but not to day !

    September 12, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • OpforOpfor

      Believe me, alot of people did not believe in God back then.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • tgreen7

      according to the bible God brought the animals not Noah. and to prove the bible to be true how can a book that has been around for around 4,000 years old, written by 40 authors, be completely consistent with each other, prophesied events years before the events actually occurred, not be true.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
      • Answer

        You have your doctrines firmly in place... how can I possibly argue that you are not delusional?

        September 12, 2011 at 8:22 pm |
      • tgreen7

        because everything i said is fact

        September 12, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
  60. Dan

    It was a struggle, for me to finally believe in evolution, because of my Catholic upbringing. However, because certain people grow up under certain constraints, i.e. wabble back and forth memorizing only the Quran in Madrassas, or reading only the Bible as the only Word of God reminding themselves day in and day out that they are sinners... kind of gives brainwashing a whole new meaning. I am convinced though that knowledge of evolution will slowly be weeded out of our curriculum because Religious fanatics see it as competition. In order to reach a level of analytical and critical thinking, you must go to and stay in school, at least until your early thirties. Even then, learning never stops after that. School teaches you how to learn, and continue learning, and lead. Religion only teaches you how to follow.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
    • Ryan

      Good post.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
      • OpforOpfor

        Dan, have you ever read the Bible?

        September 12, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
      • Answer

        @OpforOpfor

        Dan, have you ever read the Bible?

        Hilarious! You're asking him to follow a book. Dan already stated his opinion on religious as followers.
        Nice.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
      • Ashrakay

        OpforOpfor: I've read it many times. Which parts do you recommend for people. How about how god tells people to murder children? Or slavery? The promotion of incest and rape? Human sacrifice? Which parts are a good place for people to start?

        September 12, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
      • tgreen7

        Ashrakay you may have read the Bible but you didn't understand it. nowhere it says you can sacrifice your children in fact many times it condemns it.and it condemns all those things you mention.

        September 12, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      @tgreen7: You're right. I don't understand it. Explain to me how it's justified to kill children and genocide as commanded by god Gen 15:16, Dt 25:17-19, Josh 6:22-25, Gen 19:12-13. God also commanded Abraham to kill Isaac. Explain this god-induced miscarriages here too please, Hosea 9:11-16. Here's another forced miscarriage by god, if the woman commits adultry, Numbers 5:11-21. There's more, but please start by explaining those. Is there some magical thing that happens when you get saved that allows you to overlook god's atrocities?

      September 12, 2011 at 10:00 pm |
      • tgreen7

        Gen.15 has nothing to do with Children sacrifices. neither does Deuteronomy 25, it just talks about justice for what they did against the Jews. Joshua 6 is your first reasonable question in which can be answered very easily, they were a pagan people that God did not want influencing His people, which, if you look at their history, it happened a lot. Gen. 19 is about God's judgement on the land of Sodom and Gomorrah for their evil. God commanded Abram to kill Isaac then stopped him because it was a test of faith. Hosea 9 is also a righteous Judgment on His own people. Num 5 is talking about a sacrifice in which the woman committed adultery secretly that the water that she will drink from the priest will make her belly to swell and her thigh to rot, it doesn't kill her just gives her a severe punishment, and if she didn't she has nothing to worry about. Yes, i did look up these verses i hope you are satisfied but i don't think you will.

        September 12, 2011 at 10:49 pm |
      • Ashrakay

        1 Samuel 15:3
        "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

        Deuteronomy 21:18-21
        "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

        Exodus 12:29
        "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle."

        Psalms 137:8-9
        "0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones"

        September 12, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
      • tgreen7

        I Sam. was talking about the amalakites who in previous history killed the elderly and the children of the Jews as they were making their way out of Egypt so God wanted Justice. Deuteronomy was talking about a rebellious son who won't obey his parents no matter what punishment they give him, therefore resulting in horrible actions, therefore the best solution is to kill him. Exodus is the tenth plague on Egypt which was the death of all the firstborn, while the Jews were in slavery the Egyptians killed all the children of the Jews so God wanted Justice. and again the Psalmist is saying that God will bring justice on the people of Babylon.

        September 13, 2011 at 10:41 am |
  61. Vlad Smith

    God made man out of dirt, and when man dies, he turns back to dirt.

    It's shocking how american people forget that America came to existance becasue of all the cristian leaders.

    Our nation will very soon fall apart, because we American's DENIED GOD.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
    • Observer

      Check your history books. One of the key men in forming our nation was Thomas Jefferson who thought the Bible was so full of nonsense that he created an edited one of less than 50 pages. Many others were Deists, which meant they believed in God, but were NOT Christians. Do some research.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
      • tgreen7

        are you talking about the history books without footnotes and sources? look, 50 out of the 52 signers were CHRISTIANS not deists and isn't funny that the one of the only ones, Thomas Jefferson, that wasn't christian also the only one who owned slaves.

        September 12, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • Someone

      No – our nation is falling apart because we have turned into a bunch of greedy, self centered jerks who all think their ideas are right and everyone else is wrong, and that we believe that we are special as opposed to being one nation among many.

      September 12, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
  62. cephy

    I'm an evolutionary biologist and also an Evangelical, but I don't believe in a god who did "hocus pocus" to create human and nature. Everything is gradual, even your faith!

    September 12, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
    • tgreen7

      I'm about to give you bad news

      Ready?

      WAKE UP YOU'RE GOING TO HELL.

      September 12, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
      • Ashrakay

        If hell means not being around a bunch of non-thinking sheep for eternity, I think we get the better end of the bargain.

        September 12, 2011 at 10:01 pm |
      • tgreen7

        nope Hell means an eternity in fire, brimstone, constant death, complete darkness, no communication with anybody, and worst of all no hope.

        September 12, 2011 at 10:51 pm |
  63. MK54

    Science is not a faith, it is a methodology. It is a powerful tool for discovering the truth. Unfortunately, it is a very human weakness to reject or ignore ideas simply because those ideas cannot be made to conform to the person's pre-conceived perception of reality. It is easier to deny the obvious than to accept that the entire belief and value system you were taught and held dear since childhood is no more real than a fairy tale.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
    • sean

      we can't accept science on all the things. because science proofs and disproof quiet often. After all they are humans. 100 years later from now new scientist will come and try to teach some thing new to the new generation.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
      • Answer

        Sean,

        I like to go into the future and see for myself the state of affairs that Intelligent Design's 'junk science' can turn the world into. If that is your opinion of what actual science is. The ID -iots really want to turn everybody into ID-iots.

        September 12, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
  64. OMG NO WAY

    Lets carry this debate to FOX news, shall we? XD

    September 12, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
  65. Paul Willson

    Evolution does not cancel creation. After all who the material there to evolve ? Now as for teaching evolution as FACT well maybe not.Mainly cause not even Darwin claimed it as fact he claimed it as theory. Now as for
    teaching strictly a creationist view point .No that violates seperation of church & state . Only exception would be for religously based schools.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
    • Ken

      Come now, you can't utilize the God of the Gaps argument. Why would a God be this erratic in his creation? The tool of evolution only suggests that there isn't one. Why make imperfect beings if you're God?

      September 12, 2011 at 7:48 pm |
  66. JoJo

    Some people who say they didn't evolve from apes, are correct. They indeed have not YET evolved, like the rest of us have.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
  67. sean

    Open Challenge to anyone in the Quran. "bring one chapter a like if you are truthful, Indeed you can't and never will". the shortest chapter in the Quran is smaller than my paragraph. Read Quran get knowledge. This life is artificial. Seriously how many of you think if he/she was in his/her mid 20s and living forever in this life and never die ? we are born to Worship. God doesn't need our worship. we need worship for our benefit so we do not follow the footsteps of evil in our society. evil stuff like stealing, cheating, lying, hurting others etc etc media shows few bad muslims to hide all truth. There are Whites, Black, chinese Muslim turning to Islam after reading Quran.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
  68. erica

    I dont see why both sides cant be right. Maybe "God" created monkeys and cave men so we could have the chance to evolve and become what we are today. If we were still in original form we would not be thinking or arguing about this right now. I personally think thats an amazing oppertunity "God" gave us to become better and better as we EVOLVE

    September 12, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • Ken

      Yeah, or maybe God just doesn't exist, or is beyond our ability to comprehend. So why should we attribute anything to the ambiguous God, or the defined God of Christianity/Islam/Judaism? All of their holy books have nothing about evolution, absolutely nothing, and this exclusion is proof enough that none of them are true.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
  69. Steve

    Get your ideas straight people. Evolution is a FACT. The theory is Natural Selection...it explains the fact of Evolution. Giving an organism a name is for our little minds to be able to talks about it. It is difficult to view a species through time and we are only naming little slices in time when we find new fossils.

    One more thing:

    Specie = money
    Species = an organism.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
  70. MLS

    As both an evolutionary anthropologist and a good Catholic boy, I am most frustrated by the perception that evolution and faith are mutually exclusive. They are not. Some of the misconception would be cleared up if popular press would clearly define terms such as hypothesis and theory. A 'theory' is NOT an educated guess, it is an explanation supported by a great deal of testing of hypotheses; it is a claim that STANDS UP TO TESTING and answers questions of natural phenomena.
    Faith is a powerful tool for coping with the world, and answers other questions; science CANNOT answer whether a soul lives on after the body dies, but faith does. Faith does not answer questions like, "How do disease-causing bacteria become resistant to antibiotics?"
    The Christian Bible says God created the heavens and the earth, and then made man on the sixth day; the Popul Vuh of Central America's Mayan-speakers tells that the gods made man out of mud after earlier men didn't live up to expectations. Neither say HOW or what the recipe was. I cannot imagine a God who could create a Universe but couldn't come up with and make use of evolution through natural selection to run things.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • Ken

      I actually think they are mutually exclusive. How do you explain away Genesis if they are not? And how many books of the Bible can you throw out before you just put your hands into the air and say it's all worthless?

      September 12, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
      • MLS

        How many human cultures are there? All have a creation story; why is yours the only correct one and not the Mayan Popul Vuh or the Hindu version?
        Additionally, it is a story. While the writer of Matthew was on scene and knew Jesus, the writer of Genesis was not present at the events described and wrote a story about it. Nobody was there when the world was born.

        Evolution through natural selection is a demonstrable phenomenon; it happens all around us. It is why diseases mutate, it is why there are hundreds of kinds of tomatoes and why some species (Irish elk anyone?) are no longer with us.

        September 12, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Faith in God's word says ONLY God hath immortality. Faith in God's word says the soul that sinneth shall die. Faith in God's word says Satan, his angels, and sinners have an end in the lake of fire where they will be burned to ashes and never be anymore. This could be multiplied many times...how about " the living know that they shall die (every person knows that) but the dead know not anything" To be dead = non-life. When you die you are dead, i.e. non-life, period. Thats why the great Christian hope is ressurection...resurrection from death.

      September 12, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
  71. ProfJoe

    "Let's take the picture up close and out of focus. Maybe mix in a few other bones and say it's billions of years old. Then we can say it is anything we want." – Evolution Scientist

    September 12, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • Ken

      An unnamed evolution scientist, at that. "Let's see how many idiots will believe that God made the earth when there was no one there to actively take down the notes or witness the endeavor." – Two random Jews crapping in the woods.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
      • Bibletruth

        And God put Adam to sleep before he created eve, and before that Adam was created last so he never saw God create. Have you highly intelligent folks no discernment...has the evolution nonsense actually dulled youe senses to have no real understanding of the reason of things?.....

        September 12, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • CarvXV

      Using reductio ad ridiculum only weakens any argument you are trying to make.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
  72. Daniel the Believer

    I believe that God intended for us to be able to interpret our own views on the past and that we can have no irrefutable evidence for either side. That is the whole point of FAITH! The point of science is to provide FACTS for us to use to make our interpretation. We could be related to monkeys but we are also equally related to angels. It is the decision of the individual to decide who they want to act like.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
  73. Dave

    If apes, monkeys, and modern man all came from a common ancestor... what did the common ancestor evolve from?

    September 12, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • Ken

      Evolution is more of a bush than anything. We (the great ape familiy) actually came from a much smaller ancestor. Chimps, gorillas, they're our COUSINS, not brothers. Homo habilis, erectus, etc. etc. are much different. I suggest you look up transitional fossils for humans.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • CarvXV

      The science that deals with the beginning of life is called Abiogenesis. Evolution only attempts to explain the diversity of life.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
      • Dave

        What is the direct link to the common ancestor? What did it evolve from? I would like to know...

        September 12, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
      • Ken

        The idea of a "missing link" between humans and so-called "lower" animals remains lodged in the public imagination.[12] The concept has been fueled by the successive discoveries of Australopithecus africanus (Taung Child), Australopithecus sediba,[13][14] Homo erectus (Peking Man, Java Man, Turkana boy), and other Hominina fossils.[15]

        Apidia was one of the first of our bush.

        September 12, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
      • CarvXV

        Apes are thought to have evolved from monkeys during the Miocene epoch. The first monkeys evolved from the prosimians, who evolved from proto-primates, which were small mammals that appeared during the end of the Mesozoic era.

        September 12, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • MLS

      That is actually a very good question, and one with an answer.

      Humans and apes share some traits in common (dental, skeletal, genetic), and we can trace the lineage of these similarities through time in the fossil record. The last common ancestor of the human lineage and great apes was likely around 25 million years ago, and was a primate that was adapted in more ape and human-like ways, so the common ancestor of all primates was a mammal in an Eocene forest in what is now Africa that became more adapted through time to the traits that mark primates from the other mammals...grasping hands, nails instead of claws, stereoscopic vision, the 2-1-2-3 dental formula, cerebral expansion, long neonatal development period and elaborated social behavior.

      Look up 'Procunsul' online, and see what we do know.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:48 pm |
  74. We Are Doomed

    It does not matter all that much either way. We are doomed- either climate change and or nucleur bombs are going to kill us all-but the world- will continue to evolve without us-just beautifully and better than with us on it- no doubt.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
  75. GAW

    To the evolutionists, what if your wrong?

    September 12, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • Ken

      What if you're wrong about Islam? What if you're wrong about Buddhism? What if you're wrong about Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Scientology? If there is a hell, I will see you there.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
      • GAW

        I will pray for you Kenny

        September 12, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
  76. Ken

    No matter how much evidence you give, they will never believe you. Mention homo habilis and they'll pretend like you've just sneezed. Point out the walking whale, and they'll refer to a cartoon. Tell them that evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life, that's abiogenesis, and again they have no idea what you're talking about. The only way to possibly believe that evolution is not true is to be willfully ignorant and avoid the facts.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:36 pm |
  77. Super Sam

    How about in the beginning God created monkeys and told them to evolve slowly to different race of men.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
  78. CarvXV

    It gets increasingly difficult to remain faithful to the idea of intelligent design the more you delve into the natural sciences. There is statistical significance (it is important to denote that statistical significance is an approximate representation and not the reflection of the absolute numerical figure) that the more educated you are into the natural sciences, the more likely you are to believe in evolution. Many surveys have been done (the evidence for such studies can be googled with ease) demonstrating than the vast majority (sometimes as close as more than 99%) of natural scientists believe in evolution, meaning that there is a very strong positive correlation between education in the natural sciences and belief of evolution.

    I invite anyone who denies evolution to attempt to understand the theory, even if approaching it with subjectivity. Evolution does require that you accept theoretical constructs from Geology, Mathematics, Physics and Chemistry, among many others, that might create conflict with your own ideas but that are universally accepted by the scientific community (things as simple as the theory of probability, the radioactive decay of an atom, etc). There is no shame in being unable to understand it at some point, or any of the required constructs that foment its veracity, BUT IT IS CRUCIAL to understand that your ability to competently argue against a scientific theory is proportional to your understanding of the subject.

    Debating wielding ignorance is tantamount to fighting a war without weapons.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
  79. Steve

    The correct term is Homo sapiens. It should be underlined or in italics (I cannot do it here). The first word in a scientific name is ALWAYS capitalized. the second is not.

    It is like sheep...you can have one or ten. They are still sheep...not sheeps. Homo sapiens ALWAYS ends in an "S". There is no such thing as Homo sapien

    September 12, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
  80. alex

    If you do not know the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning, you should not be commenting on, let alone writing, a science blog.
    pathetic

    September 12, 2011 at 7:33 pm |
  81. Consultofactus

    Evolution as the driver of adaptation – of course, it's all around us. Evolution as the driver of speciation, probable but not yet proven under controlled observation. Evolution as the driver of inspiration, ridiculous. To believe that the Empire State Building, the entirety of the works of Shakespeare, Freud, Einstein, Matt Groening, the Beatles, Bach, Beethoven, Led Zeppelin machines like the Apollo spacecraft, the '57 Corvette, the intel i7 processor, the internet, and the iphone, etc, etc, etc were somehow encoded in a primordial pool of slime or popped out of nothingness is to be intellectually blind from birth. Our own science tells us that while bonobos share 93%+ of our genetic make-up, yet despite being on the planet far longer than homo sapien, chimps have yet to come up with anything like 93+% of quantum chromodynamics. There's something going on here far beyond biology.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
  82. ProfJoe

    I took a dump the other day and saved it in a glass jar. Can't wait to see what creature it will evolve into in 50 billion years!

    September 12, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
    • Answer

      Well let's deduce the outcome. It's in a jar correct?

      The chance of anything evolving to come to a size greater than the container. Not possible. So it won't anything really big.
      Did you cap off and suction out any or all of the oxygen? Then it would mean – that it would not feed off oxygen.
      Did you add anything else towards the fecal matter? Solvents, preservatives?

      Could you offer more information? At this point.. I could not readily say that it will amount to anything living.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
  83. Saffrondog

    Dear Petell

    What you state as a fact is a complete falsehood. Have you studied anything about the plants and animals of Australia. Zoologists and Botanists can link all the species in Australia with plants and animals that existed in Asia at the time the land connection was severed. Isolation of same species populations over long periods of time and different environmental pressures result inevitably – not sometimes but always- in the development of new species. The same thing happened when the land bridge was cut between Siberia and Alaska. Herds of migrating animals were cut off and began to diverge, resulting in the evolution of different species. Climate changes tend to accelerate the speed of evolution, because the law of evolution is adapt to change or become extinct. This is all very well documented and any open minded person who does even a small amount of research must realize the truth.

    PeteIL

    @XO

    If a specie has the genetic potential to adapt to its surroundings, it has the genetic potential to evolve into a new species. Its through the same exact mechanism, just more time and isolation. This whole micro-evolution vs macro-evolution, adaptation vs evolution argument is a red herring. People don't seem to realize that "species" is a man-made identifier that biologists use to attempt to make sense out of the staggering amount of diversity in this world, and is argued over all of the time.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
  84. ProfJoe

    It is sad that CNN has to continue to post controversial articles, like evolution, and the 9/11 "victory mosque" (on 9/11 even!), to keep it's readership up.

    Evolution is a Theory, not a fact. Luckily Texas is far enough advanced to offer better alternatives to schools to teach.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:31 pm |
    • Answer

      Ya good ole Texas .. the center of disease of the mind. The center for Intelligent Design.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
    • ProfJoe

      Texas is one of the few states that are prospering right now. Maybe NY and CA could learn a thing or two...

      September 12, 2011 at 7:36 pm |
      • Observer

        ProfJoe,

        Let Texas share the incredible money it makes from just having oil there. Let Texas share the subsidies that oil companies there get from the government. Then we'll see.

        September 12, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • Answer

      Just type out for the few who are interested.. you are an Intelligent Design support?

      Just state yes or no.

      I am against your dogma of false science. You ID -iots are so funny.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • ProfJoe

      Your old school, Intelligent Design is the future. Oh, and by the way, Texas creates the curriculum for most states. Time to "evolve" your billion year old thinking...

      September 12, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
      • Answer

        So you are afraid to state your position. Well that's settled.

        You can only promote your view herein. I can surmise that Texas will be a population who will be rather far behind in real education. The test of time and the associated trouble will have to be studied as time comes due. Right now your bragging is just that. You feeling superior? That must be it. Oh how is your fecal matter in that jar?

        September 12, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
    • Someone

      Let's see – Texas currently has an illiteracy rate of 19% – see http://nces.ed.gov/naal/estimates/StateEstimates.aspx. Not quite as bad as California, but a whole lot worse than the Northeastern, "liberal" states, and certainly far worse than, say, North Dakota, which is also experiencing an employment boom.

      Go back and keep drinking Perry's Kool-Aid baby.....

      September 12, 2011 at 11:46 pm |
  85. Kossde

    Ironically, in the case of humans, we evolved into what we are today because of a defect. Way back in the day, a random mutation caused some unlucky person’s jaw to become smaller (bad if you want to bite someone) but in return, due to less jaw muscle development in the skull, created space for the brain to grow larger (good if you want to pass college algebra). I guess a human who doesn’t bite other humans is less likely to suffer a premature death. Furthermore, a human smart enough to avoid undue confrontation (and biting), will probably have better luck finding a willing love interest. And the ‘defect’ gets passed on!

    As a side note, I’m pretty sure humans started walking on two legs so the male human could obtain and deliver enough food for himself, his woman and the youngsters. This, and the ability to carry a woman’s purse, made men who walk on two legs quite a bit more attractive than their quadrupedded peers.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
  86. Dmac

    Yes, evolution is a theory. But so is the existence of God.

    I am not interested in every theory out there as to why we are here – only those that are the most likely to be true. Religious theories, which cannot be tested and are not based on evidence, are not valuable to me simply because they cannot offer anything that can increase or decrease their validity relative to all the other theories. A Flying Spaghetti Monster created universe is just as plausible as a "God" created one. Neither can be tested, so both are equally probable and equally valid. If they cannot be tested, they are useless theories because there are an infinite number of them with no way to determine which is more likely to be true.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
  87. Brian

    And so it goes ad nauseam.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
  88. cm

    I think evolution and God can be side by side without any drama. Only the humans create the drama. Although evolution is a theory and I don't think the so called experts got it totally correct. Survival of the fittest doesn't apply to many violent things humans do – rape ain't fit – manipulation ain't fit, cruelty ain't fit, etc. This behavior destroys not enhances any life form.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
  89. Dave

    What did the common ancestor evolve from?

    September 12, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
    • Answer

      Well Dave,

      You will have to educate yourself won't you? You want to know where, go to a science website and poke around. The knowledge is there at your finger tips.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
      • Dave

        Do you know? Can you tell me? Can you direct me to a website?

        September 12, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
      • Answer

        Type out science in Google.

        You can cross into the Intelligent Design group and then work your way around to real science. It will take you years of real hard learning to cross reference the real facts from the lies. I will not sway you. You have a brain capable of logic. I trust in you to convince yourself through your own trails with this ongoing battle of the mind.

        September 12, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • Cass314

      Search for a primate phylogenetic tree. They have them assembled by genome and by fossil record, and they agree. If you instead search "phylogenetic tree of life" you should be able to find a tree that goes back to the proto-eukaryote and includes the archaea and prokaryotes on the side, though we do not yet know what that proto-eurkaryote was. If you would like an explanation of these trees, I would recommend going to the library and seeing if they have any books on phylogeny or taxonomy. Wikipedia is actually a surprisingly good resource aggregator on the subject, but if anything is unclear or sounds iffy I'd check the source they cite. A university library would be ideal, actually, because you can probably find someone who will be able to direct you to some primary research articles that deal with this. For example, I recently read a publication looking at primate adaptations to viral infection, comparing various translation factors across the great apes and several other primate species, which did a lot of sequencing and re-verified (this has bee re-verified hundreds if not thousands of times in various papers in the field using different genes) the positions of many members of the phylogeny. All the information is out there, but it takes a little effort to get at.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
  90. Steve

    Evolution is a FACT. The theory describes hoe it works. The correct phrase should be Theory of evolution BY NATURAL SELECTION. The last part is the mechanism. We can see evolution at work through fossils, dna evidence, human medicine. we can follow its changes in a wide variety of organisms from Darwin's finches to Anole lizards. We can directly measure it. You are correct that sciences changes over time. It is fluid and open to new interpretations. Science proves nothing. There are only "proofs" in mathematics and those are quite different. Religion is dogmatic. It is not open to change...It results in some scientists being burned at the stake or put under arrest (Galileo).

    There is a beautiful clock in the castle of Hampton Court that was supposedly designed by Henry VIII The sun and moon go around the earth. That was the science of the time and we have built on much of it. Should the clock be torn down??? Evolution has been shown to be the case from huge amounts of scientific data. It may be refined...it is possible, but not likely that it is scientifically wrong...if so we will need a new theory to explain the hard evidence. Can you name a religion that is that open to change??

    September 12, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
    • ProfJoe

      Lol, you need to "evolve" your thinking. Evolution is old hat...

      September 12, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
  91. Auntiegrav

    Wow! You people really believe that stuff, don't you?
    The dictionary definition of Evil should read, "Action taken based on unquestioned belief."
    Too many people believing too many things.
    Beliefs don't matter; actions do. Beliefs influence actions, but they don't cause them to happen.
    Stop looking up for answers to your questions. Good work does not begin 'On High', it begins with the lowest common denominator, such as the soil, water, and air. If we don't take care of those things, then we go extinct because we consume our own future.
    Any species survives only if it is generous to the resources which it needs. This "Net Future Usefulness" is more important than anything you can imagine you want to believe in.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
  92. Xairesephos

    Evolutionary theory, its precepts, suppositions and conclusions have been substantiated by geology, climatology, paleontology, anthropology, and most tellingly of all, genetics. Creationism has as its foundation, faith and scripture. What amazes me is that people in our society reject science when applied to the natural environment but are perfectly willing to trust the same evidence when condemning a criminal to the death sentence. Why is it that we accept scientific evidence in a forensic context, but not in a discussion of human origins and the natural order?

    September 12, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
  93. AJ

    I am Catholic and like Blessed Pope John Paul II I believe in evolution. Why can't science be the tool God used to create us? It really is not that hard to accept. One can't argue with hard fact scientific evidence.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • ProfJoe

      Except there is no hard fact scientific reasoning for evolution. Intelligent design is the more advanced and probable of the two.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Makes total sense when your faith is not biblically based.

      September 12, 2011 at 10:46 pm |
  94. WhyBother

    There really is no point in arguing with people of faith. Eventually, some will open their eyes and see the facts that disprove everything they ever thought was true. Then their whole world will crumble. The strong will stand up and accept what is, and the weak will spiral downward into the pit of denial. The only thing we can do is not enforce our beliefs on others, both people with faith and those of us without. (yes, that means you too christians, stop knocking at my door and try to convert me because you only further my opinion that you are brainwashed little sheep)

    September 12, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • DrMark

      True. The only way "people of faith" can ever hope to be saved from the brain numbing effects of religious nonsense is to point out the insanity, nonsense, contradictions and errors of their book. Its all about the book. Once doubt creeps in that the book simply cannot be information from the creator of the universe, there may be hope of salvation by reason. For some anyway. Others are too far gone or dont have the mental capacity.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
  95. weallgotone

    And a million years from now, who cares? Why can't we all just get along?

    September 12, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
  96. commonsense43434

    Democrates Evolved from Space aleigns and Jackasses

    September 12, 2011 at 7:21 pm |
    • Observer

      Well done. You actually spelled a few of the words correctly.

      September 12, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
      • Old Fool

        Only the monosyllabic ones.

        September 12, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • Observer

      Old Fool,

      Fortunately, we'll skip punctuation. We don't want him to look like one of those "Jackasses".

      September 12, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
  97. gabe

    Search Archaeopteryx; anyone who doesn't believe in evolution needs to read about it...

    September 12, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
  98. Trent

    "Intelligent design" is a misnomer. The people who believe in it are idiots.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
  99. SteveG.

    I understand the anti-science mindset of the evolution deniers. I was once a fellow traveler. They sincerely believe, thanks to an abysmal understanding of the evidence and the scientific method, that the theory of evolution is a demonic lure to the dark side. It flows from an ultra-literal interpretation of the Bible and a distrust of what they view to be a cabal of "unbelieving" scientists. For people like these, no amount of evidence will be sufficient until there is a willingness to objectively view it in light of modern scientific thinking.

    September 12, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
  100. Timothy Lee

    The argument is laughable – I wish people with the deluded line of religious reasoning would consider trying to find some sources (real sources) to back up their wild claims. Why is it that reason and rational, scientific thinking is expected to proove its case 100% and solve every single remaining question in order to satisfy you – while you are willing to accept 2000 year old crackpot mythology at face value (including its many obvious errors, inconsistancies and contradictions)?

    September 12, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      True. Really what we're facing is intellectual laziness and emotional obesity, and god is like a chicken leg we're trying to wrestle from them. Sometimes I think we should just let them gorge themselves into oblivion, but I still have loved ones that are imprisoned by this mental slavery.

      September 12, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
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