Scientists getting clearer picture of 'God particle'
The CDF detector at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois, has given scientists new clues to the Higgs boson.
March 7th, 2012
04:00 AM ET

Scientists getting clearer picture of 'God particle'

This could be the year of the Higgs boson, the most sought-after particle in all of physics. More clues about it are emerging at a U.S.-based collider whose budgetary woes shut it down last year.

The Department of Energy’s Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory (Fermilab) has just announced that it has found hints of the ever-so-important particle, which are consistent with observations from the Large Hadron Collider.

Finding the Higgs boson would help explain the origin of mass, one of the open questions in physicists' current understanding of the way the universe works. The particle has been so difficult to pin down (metaphorically speaking) that physicist Leon Lederman reportedly wanted to call his book "The Goddamn Particle." But he truncated that epithet to "The God Particle," which may have helped elevate the particle's allure in popular culture.

Scientists working on two independent experiments at the Tevatron accelerator in Batavia, Illinois, see patterns in data that might - just might - be indicative of signals from a Higgs boson. If so, that particle would have a mass between 115 to 135 GeV.

"A clearer picture is starting to emerge," said Rob Roser, physicist at Fermilab.

But the results from U.S. collider experiments don't have enough statistical significance to call their data a discovery.

Neither do the analyses that have come out of the Large Hadron Collider, located 328 feet underground beneath the border of France and Switzerland. The LHC announced similar results in December 2011. But the $10 billion machine, which is much more powerful than Tevatron, did not deliver proof of the existence of the Higgs boson, either.

"The search continues," Roser said.

Related: Why is the 'God particle' so important?

Tevatron, which booted up in 1983, had its final run in September 2011. Scientists are still investigating the dataset gleaned from smashing protons and anti-protons. Anti-protons can be extracted from colliding protons into a target.

The Higgs boson announcement comes on the tail of another breakthrough from what used to be the United States' most powerful particle accelerator: The Tevatron measured the mass of the W boson, another particle, at an unprecedented level of precision. This number and the mass of the top quark, another particle, can help predict the mass of the Higgs boson. That, too, is consistent with this new result.

Sadly, there's no more data to analyze from the defunct collider, Roser said. But he and colleagues may still be able to improve their analyses enough to have just a bit more certainty about the potential Higgs boson.

"All our good ideas are done already. What’s left are some hard ideas," he said. "Maybe we can improve it [the Higgs analysis] at the 10 to 20% level."

Also on the bright side, the LHC is expected to deliver four times the amount of data in 2012 than it got in the last two years. "That should be enough for it to make a proof-positive statement" about whether there really is or is not a Higgs boson, Roser said.

Scientists announced the development at Rencontres de Moriond, the annual conference on Electroweak Interactions and Unified Theories, in Italy.

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  1. MandoZink

    This is really the most important particle left to discover. One of the most intriguing mysteries in particle physics is why there was a slight matter-antimatter imbalance at the onset of the expansion of the universe. Most of the matter and antimatter annihilated each other, leaving a slight surplus of matter. This is called the "CP violation", an unexplained imbalance. The Higgs Boson is thought to be the particle responsible for breaking the symmetry that should have left the universe with only radiation and no matter.

    March 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Mark B.

      Try God.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
      • owen

        Which god? Osiris? Thor? Yahweh? Allah? Quetzalcoatl?

        March 7, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
      • clearfog

        First, you have to indict Him.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
      • mh

        I tried him – didn't like it. Science is better, much more truthful.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
      • MandoZink

        Which one? Besides, been there – tried that. It is comforting for those who have no other perspective. I will admit that. "Got Science?"

        March 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
      • Earthling

        Try the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
      • Paul

        Owen, whichever God you choose, as long as you come to the reality that order and design is the result of an intelligent mind. That something outside of our own universe began what we know today to be... and God said, "let there be light". funny how we just learned about the big bang in the past century, however moses saw it, or was revealed to him, thousands of years ago. What a brilliant and beautiful (not to mention susinct) way to put, what must have been, a truly awesome revelation. I love how no matter how much science uncovers, there is still so much more to explain. Praise the Lord of our universe! whatever you choose to call him owen.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
      • Primewonk

        " and God said, "let there be light". funny how we just learned about the big bang in the past century, however moses saw it, or was revealed to him, thousands of years ago."

        Except, of course, that your bible got it all wrong. "Let there be light came AFTER your god says he formed the earth.

        In reality, the early universe was way too hot and way too dense for any planets, stars or light. The universe had to cool and expand for 300,000 years before there was light. A few more million years before any stars formed, and a whopping 9 billion more years before the earth formed.

        Why do you guys lie?

        March 7, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
      • Patrick

        *Thumbs up to that one!

        March 7, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
      • jim

        @Primewonk They lie because the truth destroys their fantasy.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
      • Rob

        One if their was a Spaghetti monster an Italian would have eaten by now. Damn ginnies also really you are talking god in a science topic. That's like putting vinager on my baked potato don't do screw with my baed potato. I'll beam it at the thick head of yours.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
      • cwestions

        @ Primewonk

        Of course you know, because you were there...

        March 7, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
      • David Claytor

        God explains the creation eloquently and poignantly in exactly one chapter of the Bible. Man is still trying to explain away creation with countless theories, models, books, speculations, assumptions etc. It's amazing how He laid out the creation and the order in which things were created cannot be disputed by any one examining it through an objective lens.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
      • Edwin

        Primework - you sound like one of the intolerant religious bunch, assuming your particular literal interpretation of everything is the only correct interpretation.

        The Bible was never meant to be a piece of scientific literature. I do not believe it to be God's work, either, but to dismiss it because it states that light came after the earth is foolish. Remember, it was less than a century ago that we as a species thought up the Big Bang. In another century or two we will look back at it as one of our more foolish notions, having since moved on to bigger and better theories of the origin of the universe. Prove to me that the Big Bang *MUST* have occurred exactly as you understand it, and I can accept your belittling of the Bible - otherwise be quiet.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
      • conrad

        This has become such a tired old conversation. Why does it have to be either/or. Can't there be God and science? I'd think in as complex a universe as this there would be room for both.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
      • clearfog

        @Paul You are confused. Moses did not write Genesis. In fact, there is almost no evidence that Moses existed, that the Jews were ever in Egypt, or that they wandered for 40 years, lost in a fairly small desert.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
      • CueBallSTL

        @Paul: "Owen, whichever God you choose, as long as you come to the reality that order and design is the result of an intelligent mind."

        Belief in intelligent design is a sign of an unintelligent mind.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike

        March 7, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
      • Suzanne

        God has some awesome science! Oh, there's only one God and you can use whatever name is familiar to you:) Silly mortals.

        March 7, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        he don`t never answer his phone ,

        March 7, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
      • Suzanne

        It's a party line. Just pick up and start talking.

        March 7, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
      • Patrick

        Just don't expect the main attraction to be on the line. It's just a bunch of chatter with other people expecting miracles.

        March 7, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
      • mickey1313

        I find it funny that in the belief blog thiests complaine about athiests posting, but in the science blog, they have no problem pokeing their fairy-tale believing noises into the subject. HYPOCRITES

        March 8, 2012 at 12:32 am |
      • mickey1313

        paul, your argument is very weak. All arguments for thiesm are so weak they hold no water. I want one, just one good sound argument that does not rely on self reliance to make a point, to be brought forward by the thiests to justify their bilnd faith. It is so sad that humans are so dumb.

        March 8, 2012 at 12:37 am |
      • What Now

        Science is less judgemental. Science encourages critical thinking. I take science.

        March 8, 2012 at 9:59 am |
      • raawww

        The only thing outside are universe is more universes yep and they are the reason for the big bang which the old sea splitter never thought of and order what kind of order is in the universes there is no order only similar chaos

        March 9, 2012 at 1:31 am |
      • Jessy The Gnostic

        I tried God. Ironically, he told me to look at the large Hadron Collider. Imagine God having to explain to me the complex and scientific details on the creation of the universe. That conversation would be as long as there are books in a library. I just had a thought though... what God, doesn't exactly know how he came into being and that maybe, just maybe, we are here in this mortal world to figure that out?

        ***puts on the flame-resistant suit for the inevitable flame from the religious trolls***

        July 3, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • clearfog

      How does the asymmetry of the K-Mason fit into this?

      March 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
      • MandoZink

        Not sure. The K meson, or kaon, is another broken symmetry that occurs during a weak interaction decay. Google the "hyperphysics " website for a neat physics particle tree with explanations. You might attend a few good lectures first.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
      • MandoZink

        clearfog
        "You might attend a few good lectures first" was not an insult, in case you though it might be. I used the Hyperphysics for years. When I finally saw some particle physics lectures, the Hyperphysics site became a lot more interesting.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
      • clearfog

        No offense taken. It was a good suggestion.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Bnowell

      theoretical physicists are nothing more than mathematiallly gifted science fiction writers. They stand to profit by coming
      up with "theories" that can neither be proven or disproven.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
      • clearfog

        You are confused. "Theories" that cannot be proven or disproven are called religions. "Theories" posited by scientists by definition can be proven or disproven.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
      • MandoZink

        Oh, I wouldn't say that. They eventually all become testable as we advance. They weren't just making these things up. We definitely ended WW2 with a "proof of concept".

        March 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
      • nightscout

        what do you think religion is?

        March 7, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
      • tffl

        Yeah, that's it. They come up with theories because there is so much money in it for them...

        March 7, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
      • nightscout

        Ok, I will clue you in: Religion started as a set of guidelines for human conduct, which turned into 'beliefs'. The problem with beliefs is that you kill or die for – and with no proof as to why.
        Consider the number of times the Bible has been written, interpreted, with questionable motives 'updated', the number of versions, etc etc etc all at the hands of a few men that had to justify their actions to other men. So, where's the beef?

        March 7, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
      • Maccerz

        You're absolutely right. Why, just the other day I saw a scientist driving his Ferrari into his million dollar mansion

        March 7, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
      • dmac

        Actually, religion started as a way for primitive man to explain anything he could not understand, or more specifically, things that he was afraid of (weather, drought, famine, good harvests, rain, etc.) They had no concept of how thigns worked so decided it must be the work of a higher being or beings. So the god(s) were either happy with them or mad at them and they would act accordingly. I gotta tell you, the human race is still a long, long way from being able to do without it.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
      • boobie

        'Maccerz" HAHAHAHA!! that was awesome. i sure do love my civic... wonder when i'll see the $$$ start rolling in. maybe i'll change careers and go into one of the snazzy tax free clubs and wait for donations to start rolling in. guess i'll have to learn to cry a lot and make up stuff on the fly... ugh.. that almost sounds as hard as what i do now.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
      • iamdeadlyserious

        Might want to look up the definition of "Theory" as it relates to science there, pal.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        Bnowell sounds like a man with a GED.....

        March 7, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
      • Neeneko

        Yeah.. the computer you are typing on does not work without the 'theories' that theoretical physicists came up with. You think private industry came up with the science behind modern computer chips? Nope...

        April 5, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • M-Theory

      Yes but the anti Higgs boson destroyed all but a few Higgs bosons..... Find the Anti-Higgs boson by watching Jersey Shore tonight at 8PM. thanks

      March 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Popso

      Okay, so God didn't create light...it just existed? What? You're saying there was no existence before the Big Bang occurred? Sorry, but science will NEVER completely understand the universe. I choose to believe in a God because it simply makes more sense that it was intellectually created rather than "it just was". Its a better explanation overall. I'm not saying people are wrong in their scientific answers; I'm simply arguing that science will never fulfill the intangible parts of life...dreams, faith, love, belief; these things cannot be explained through science. I actually believe that we are a fractal of a fractal of a fractal and there are infinite universes inside of us...just like we are inside a universe inside a universe inside a universe, etc...for infinity.

      March 7, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
      • brian

        You make it sound completely one-sided. you say there was nothing before the big bang as if you are mocking it... but then believe that a god created everything.. and nothing was before him.
        How can you say no to the big bang, because they cant say what was before it.. but accept god (1 of thousands.. so your odds of choosing right are very bad) who just came out of no where, flies around space creating planets and life forms.
        Bit hypocritical.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
      • clearfog

        If you understood the physics of the Big Bang, you would understand that asking what happened before it is a meaningless question. In logic, it is called a category error. EG What is the Earth like one mile north of the north pole? There is no such north and there was no such time before the Big Bang.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
      • Patrick

        Putting it simply here, best to research further if you want to know:
        The background radiation that we can measure at the furthest point of presence in our cosmos is the evidence of the Big Bang. As we look further and further away from Earth, we see earlier and earlier events of the universe. The background radiation is the furthest presence and there is nothing beyond it. This has led to the consensus that the Big Bang was a starting point of the universe and nothing – not even time – existed before the Big Bang.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        Popso you need to grt back on your meds......

        March 7, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
      • Malta

        Popso what you said is brilliant. That's exactly what I think. It's much more difficult to not believe in God than to actually believe. According to these people the big bang is God! Which is obviously not the case. God won't prove to anyone he's alive just because He's tested. He doesn't need to prove anything. With or without us He's alive and always and forever will be. If you chat to Him with a believing heart you will then see Him. But that's the only way.

        March 8, 2012 at 9:23 am |
      • Patrick

        "Simply makes more sense" is a cop-out and intellectually dishonest. But go ahead and explain that simplicity so we can all understand.

        Also, do you feel all the faiths make more sense, or just some of them? Which ones?

        March 8, 2012 at 10:47 am |
      • christopher

        I'd like to pipe up on this topic and clarify (or get clarifies!) about this.. Are we talking about OUR galaxy and the big bang? Because it certainly looks all blown to hell. Why cant an explosion bigger than that exist? maybe God is outside of that, playing with his fireworks, trying to get a quark to pop out!

        March 10, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Edwin

      It's the most important particle - now... in 50 years, there may be something WAY more interesting to study. I sure hope so - imagine a universe with no more bizarre mysteries left to explore...

      March 7, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
      • Samskwirl

        ...well, there will always be the religious nuts to study.

        March 8, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • Elizabeth

      The answer is the time stamp of your posting: 3.33 These three numbers represent the Holy Trinity... the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

      March 7, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
      • CueBallSTL

        So what does 5:27 say about you?

        March 7, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.

        March 7, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
      • Jim

        Elisabeth, apparently someone lied to you when they said the bible says god is trinitarian. If you think that 1 John 5:7–8 (aka comma johanneum) proves it, you were lied to again. This was added centuries later by scribes who wanted to force their own personal interpretation into the New Testament. It is a well known fact that many early Christian groups did not believe in a trinitarian God. As is usually the case, history was written by the winners. The most powerful group then oppressed, persecuted and murdered the groups they believed were heretics. There is no devine inspiration in your theology of a trinity. It is all man-made.

        March 8, 2012 at 3:26 am |
      • Malta

        @Jim. Funny first time I heard that this is a lie. Not even the harshest critics of Jesus ever dared to say He lied. It is known to be the most accurate piece of history in the world. I wonder why people still wish that it is all a lie.

        March 8, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • conrad

      Doesn't the fact that there was a slight imbalance of matter effectively demonstrate that the assumption of balance is inaccurate, or at least conditional? Maybe all things only tend to equilibrium unless willed to be otherwise?

      March 7, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • femanvate

      Really, this is the last great piece of the puzzle that will let humans understand the universe? Please pick up a history book, Mr Scientist. People have been claiming that for thousands of years. We only understand a fraction of the universe and its good to know more, but don't claim you know it all. Arrogance is dangerous.

      March 7, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
      • MandoZink

        No! This is about discoveries in the Particle Physics field, not the entire gamut of knowledge. Please pick up a science book! By the way, history books are full of these types of misunderstandings of science.

        March 7, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • dink

      Thank you mando.. this is not about any god. Those people, in another time and place, would be condoning torture as spiritual cleansing. All over a book written by ancient politicians. I am highly spiritual, not ignorant.

      March 18, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Caveman

      The Higgs will never be found. Matter gets it's mass from space itself and the more dense matter is, the more energy it pulls from space to give it it's mass "THROUGH FIELDS", not particles.

      "My second discovery was of a physical truth of the greatest importance. As I have searched the entire scientific records in more than a half dozen languages for a long time without finding the least anticipation, I consider myself the original discoverer of this truth, which can be expressed by the statement: There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment." — Nikola Tesla

      July 3, 2012 at 9:00 am |
      • emte

        The Higgs particle is a part of the Higgs field, as a water partical is part of a cup of water.

        July 5, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • M&M

      Look all you want: GOD is the creator of the very first particle!

      July 3, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
      • Earthling

        Sorry, no. In order for someone to create something, it is first necessary for that being to actually exist.

        July 4, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Vijay

      I appreciate the progress of Science. But I think, there is no need to give it the name as 'GOD PARTICLE'. It unnecessarily invites the debate between the Science and the God. The 'God' is a limited idea of human mind and that's why it has just created many religions so, I appreciate Science as it is progressing towards the Truth step-by-step.

      I, at this time, wish that the Science no on-wards think above the physical level so that it can progress more swiftly towards the Truth and not be enslave in one idea like 'God particle' ( as the religion is enslaved in just one idea of 'God').
      The Truth has a vast opportunity bring real freedom to the mankind – let us hope Science can do that.....!

      July 3, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • DFZ

      If the Higgs boson is ALL the LHC turns up I'll be disappointed.

      July 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • tim

      as technology improves, we may find that the god particle is made of even smaller parts. it is only our inability to get a clear picture of such small elements. keep your minds open.

      July 4, 2012 at 12:42 am |
    • HolisticDNA

      Higgs Boson / “God Particle” -2012 Science validates a 150+ year old discovery ……….Steve Meyer / New Thought Movement

      This definition of New Thought / The New Thought Movement represents an excellenet summary from Wikipedia, and I agree wtih 98% of it. The other 2% – I believe that sickness can start in the mind and/or the body; not just the mind, and that “God” is a religous manufactured term and description of what is actually Infinite Intelligence, and therefore should be removed from the definition….

      “New Thought promotes the ideas that “Infinite Intelligence” or “God” is ubiquitous, spirit is the totality of real things, true human selfhood is divine, divine thought is a force for good, sickness originates in the mind, and “right thinking” has a healing effect.[1][2]

      Although New Thought is neither monolithic nor doctrinaire, in general modern day adherents of New Thought believe that “God” or “Infinite Intelligence” is “supreme, universal, and everlasting”, that divinity dwells within each person, that all people are spiritual beings, that “the highest spiritual principle [is] loving one another unconditionally … and teaching and healing one another”, and that “our mental states are carried forward into manifestation and become our experience in daily living”.[1][2]

      The New Thought movement is a spiritually-focused or philosophical interpretation of New Thought beliefs. Started in the early 19th century, today the movement consists of a loosely allied group of religious denominations, secular membership organizations,[citation needed] authors, philosophers, and individuals who share a set of beliefs concerning metaphysics, positive thinking, the law of attraction, healing, life force, creative visualization, and personal power.[3] The three major religious denominations within the New Thought movement are Religious Science, Unity Church and the Church of Divine Science. There are many other smaller churches within the New Thought movement, as well as schools and umbrella organizations.”

      August 11, 2012 at 10:04 am |
  2. rudix

    To much bull and speculation, its hard for scientists to admit that the knowledge they have is close to zero...just look into space and into our DNA and you can realize how small we are in the search of knowledge..... a big ego will not bring more knowledge..about faster than the speed of light and what will happen go to wwwTheDimensionMachineDOTcom

    March 7, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • clearfog

      I am an idiot and I approve this message.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Christian Mildh

      it is interesting how often people who know nothing about science want to claim that science knows nothing...while using airplanes and the internet and getting cats-cans...the ramification of scientific principles, not result of prayer...

      March 7, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • TonyNVA

      Just how would you know that?

      March 7, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
      • nightscout

        probably more reliably than you can go from NY to London on a prayer or two!

        March 7, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        what has your god done for you today ?

        March 7, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • Maccerz

      Damn those ignant scientologists!

      March 7, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
  3. Avatar

    This is an article of essentially someone scratching their head saying, "hmmmmm."

    March 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • lowwwman

      Not Snooki!

      March 7, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
  4. Ben

    It's not that I think this is all an exercise in futility - a boondoggle - if you will, but I believe that at this level what we end up studying is the foundations of our own consciousness and it's projection into matter. Matter is just a hypothesis and who knows what it's real essence is independent of our brains/psyches? It's not that we're chasing our tails, but we should understand what we're really studying here under what we think we're studying.

    March 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
  5. clearfog

    I don't get it. Why do we waste money on things like this? We never learn. Look at all the money we wasted on Newton's Laws, Leeuwenhoek's microscope, Maxwell's Equations, Einstein's Relativity, Wegener's – well you get my drift.

    March 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • DancingInPDX

      Why are you using a computer then, or a cell phone, or a GPS, or a microwave over, or ...

      March 7, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
      • nightscout

        didn't you know? they were developed through prayers!
        If it wasn't for science, the moon would still be made from cheese!

        March 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • geoff

      so, allow me to paraphrase, it's too much effort to learn so let's remain ignorant.......

      March 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
      • DancingInPDX

        LOL.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • clearfog

      I guess you didn't catch my drift. I needed a bigger hammer.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
      • igetyourdrift

        It is sad that they didn't catch your pun. Wegener and drift :) good stuff.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
      • nightscout

        just messing with you, there is no fog in your comment!

        March 7, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
  6. Doomsday Prepper

    Wonderful! Let's create a mini blackhole in 2012. What can go wrong?

    March 7, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • clearfog

      Instead of stocking up on canned tuna and AK-47 ammo, you need to devote your time and resources to developing a device that can pinch off your bunker from surrounding space time so that you and yours will not be sucked into the impending vortex. Trust me on this one; it will be worth it.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • MandoZink

      A mini blackhole would have no more "pull" that the matter it was created from. It would also be small enough that it could pass right through your body without even touching one of your atoms, just as trillions of neutrinos do every second. Even at that, a mini blackhole would last only seconds, as it would evaporate (best term we've got) into something called Hawking radiation.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
      • clearfog

        Is there a difference between the paradigm of virtual particles posited by Hawking and quantum tunneling?

        March 7, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
      • MandoZink

        clearfog
        I don't see how those two concepts would be related. I know it is the virtual particles appearance on the event horizon of a black hole that are responsible for the both the evaporation and the Hawking radiation.

        March 8, 2012 at 1:23 am |
    • TP320

      Particles with energies far greater than the energies developed in the LHC come from space all the time. yet we are still here...

      March 7, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
  7. justmeanddog

    I was just smiling to myself as I imagined the level of debate if this was originally called the Higgs Bosom particle and then people started to call it the God Particle.

    March 7, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • DannoB.S.

      Fairly true! Atheists get upset about the religious connotations and religious people get upset by comparing it to God. And everyone else gets upset that these Physicists are not studying a cure for cancer (what Physics and Cancer research have in common... I don't know. But apparently laymen people do).

      March 7, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Mac Qurashi

      After we successfully identify Hobs bosom, we will be looking for some other particle. Scientists keep discovering that nature has deep secrets and may be incomprehendible by human minds.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • cmildh

      ...you have heard of sarcasm...

      March 7, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  8. MDPhDBeth

    People without a doctoral degree or equivalent really shouldn't even try to have an opinion on this stuff.

    March 7, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • John Gault

      You are a snob

      March 7, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
      • Yer right

        *Like

        March 7, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
      • DannoB.S.

        And you are quick to judge. Good job. You get a cookie.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • D.O.R

      so 98% of the world can't say what they think ?

      March 7, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
      • DannoB.S.

        Considering that more than 98% of the world doesn't even have internet. No, they can't.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
      • ALex Eastman

        considering the U.S makes up more than 4% of the population and europe even more and almost everybody there has internet connection you just flat out wrong

        March 15, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • clearfog

      Thomas Alva Edison dropped out of school. Perhaps you should have emulated his example.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
      • basketcase

        First of all, Thomas Edison may have "dropped out," but he continued to study science diligently. Second, while he was no doubt brilliant, and developed a number of great inventions, he was not by any means qualified to discuss complicated physics like the Higgs boson. There is a difference between a great inventor such as Edison who can develop and produce a product, and a scientist like Einstein who can ponder the inner workings of the universe.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
      • TonyB

        Ditto re: Einstein.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
      • GEDfailure

        Einstein dropped out of HIGH SCHOOL – you don't need a BLACKBELT to know how to fight – PhD morons!!!

        March 7, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • DannoB.S.

      As someone with only a double bachelors and a minor... I fully agree. Science and physics were a major hobby of mine growing up, and recently I've had to take a separate career path. This is fascinating work, but still for the layman requires Wikipedia to look up words that they don't understand (esp. the "Santa Particle" and what this will mean when combined with Fusion Technology)

      March 7, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • BS/MS/Ph.D/Lightning

      A lot of the statements are borderline brainless, but your comment concerning the ban of opinions is the worst example of brainless pontification. If in fact you are an MD/Ph.D, that makes you all the more a churlish, inept, opinion-phobe. Your license to practice in any field is restricted to the level of 'Lucy' in the 'Peanuts' funnies.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
      • DBLA

        Can we please ammend your original post to EXCLUDE anyone with a Juris Doctorate? Their opinions should be completely disregarded even in matters including complete logical tautology.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • NotAnMD

      It seems MDPhDBeth you have also excluded yourself from commenting.....since MD's have little to no knowledge of the physics of matter origin.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • James

      I feel strongly we need to do something about all these particles, as soon as possible! Oh by the way, I'm not only president of the scientist club for particles, I'm also a member.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • LL

      Seriously, you are too much. Plus your only an MD. Physicist's think you aren't educated enough to talk about it. But I guess you are educated enough to recommend freedom of speech and expression is only for the educated. Move to Russia or Iran loser.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • GEDfailure

      I think people who – when all alone, in their room, sitting alone in the dark – and have DEPRESSSION, ANXIETY, LONELINESS or FEAR – should NOT comment on this subject (not RIGHT in the HEAD)!

      March 7, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • GEDfailure

      People who have DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, LONELINESS or FEAR – when they are in their room – alone in the dark – should NOT comment on this subject (not RIGHT in the head)!

      March 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Mark B.

      That is as stupid as saying someone who doesn't play an instrument shouldn't say whether they like a song or not. If they haven't written a book, they can't comment on one. What are you, a professional student?

      March 7, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Peter

      The fact that you are a "MD"Ph.D indicates that your emphasis was in the medical sciences which means you have just as little knowledge of physics as anyone in this comment thread.

      March 7, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • ASD

      Troll comment at best.

      March 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Chuck

      Thankfully there are many with advanced degrees who do not agree with your point of view.

      March 7, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • MandoZink

      Actually, people who don't have those degrees ought to look up what they can about the subject matter, THEN comment or pose questions. Those who dismiss a lot of science as foolish are usually seriously uninformed about that field. Myself, I steer clear of the complex nature of Climate Change (which IS warming from what I can tell)

      March 8, 2012 at 1:06 am |
  9. Psycho Billy

    For every God particle there is a Santa Clause particle, for every Santa Clause particle there is a BILL that comes in the mail!!!

    March 7, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • clearfog

      And also a Billy who comes on this site.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  10. rodw

    It wont be concepts of mass that are discovered rather it will be concepts of time or in laymen terms distance. It's going to freak people out when they attempt to describe how something can exist in two places simultaneously. You are what you are because of where you were when. To have some comprehension of these concepts goes further in improving our lives than a cure for cancer and in the end may lead to that very cure.

    March 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Bob

      I think that is bull. Now is now, here.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
      • Ernie

        Keep reading your bible and shut up.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
      • rodw

        Well Bob that's okay. I recommend you stay at your current position working the 7-11 cash register. Philosophical concepts of time and space aren't for the average bear.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Scot H Nichols

      Of course, we could just pray. Enough prayer would eventually lead to an answer......(Rick Santorum)

      March 7, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
  11. mousedreams

    It does look a lot like the time machine from "Twelve Monkeys" ... and I swear that thing that's about to go inside is the size of a human being.

    March 7, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
  12. fiskenmann

    Isn't it just like us (humankind) to tear everything apart in the name of oblivion.

    March 7, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Earthling

      So what you're saying is that you tried to read the article, and still you have no idea what it's about.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
      • fiskenmann

        Nooooooo, what I'm trying to say is that you have no idea what my response is about because obviously your brain is smaller than the particle they are looking for.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
      • Cajunman

        That comment made me spit coke from my nose.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • DannoB.S.

      Great P.C. game....

      March 7, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
  13. mousedreams

    We should build a "Super-Gigantic Collider" (SGC) somewhere in the US, fund it with other countries' money and put some of our PhD researchers in charge so they can tell us twenty years later that they're "closer" to something.

    March 7, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Nate

      They tried that, but the funding got dropped in order to build the ISS. Wiki "Superconducting Super Collider"

      March 7, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Troy

      You probably would have said that about relativity in 1915 as well. You obviously do not grasp that discoveries like these lead to cool things like GPS, TV and the internet. Derp.

      March 7, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
  14. Deb

    Gee.... maybe we should have put all that money into finding a cure for cancer??????

    March 7, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Russell Hammond, Hollywood

      The cure for cancer has been around for years. But there's too much money in pharmaceuticals and other cancer treatments to let that cat out of the bag.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
      • DBLA

        What you know that there's a cure for cancer? Please take it public! You'll be rich and famous. Or are you just totally throwing out a conspiracy theory for which you have no evidence. The word "cancer" is a generic description of a problem that probably will have to be cured in many different ways. (i.e. the cure for colon cancer may be completely different than the cure for breast cancer). Saying that there is a cure for cancer is like saying that "illness" has been cured and the insurance industry is just covering it up for profit. Please read the book "The Emporor of All Maladies" and maybe you'll understand a bit more about the topic. Try to educate yourself before spreading completely uninformed opinions.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
      • clearfog

        Conspiracy nut alert.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
      • Muddy

        There are cures for lots of forms of cancer, including several which used to kill thousands of people a year. Cancer is not one disease, or one cause. So we will have to find lots of cures for cancer, and btw we are spending many times more on cancer research than we are on this. Cutting edge research pays off over the long term, and you can never be sure what will pay off. Who would have tought a system to allow military and researchers to communicate no matter how many central points were knocked out would create something like the internet. A whole lot of things used every day to make the world a better place were invented decades ago during pure research efforts, and set aside because computers could not use them at the time, but today they are used in low end automobiles and cell phones.
        This research has already yielded many things invented in the effort to get further down the path.
        IN any case, one of the primary goals of Man's existence is understanding the Universe.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • EdNv

      unless you live in Europe you didn't put any money in. We were/are too busy destroying two countries with 7 Trillion tax payer dollars to invest in anything like the LHC.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • I'm The Best!

      Because this is also very important. And cancer research gets way more money than these types of things anyway. Share the wealth. Plus with better technology it may become easier to cure the cancer

      March 7, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • matt

      don't be so ignorant. Do you think miraculously cures for cancers just occur by throwing money at it? discovering things like this leads onto other discoveries in which increase out technologies and scientific advancements so we can find cures for things cancer. Do you think we could've found a cure for many diseases if Galileo didn't decided to invent a telescope/magnification to look at planets or Darwin come up with theory of evolution?

      March 7, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  15. StardustNectar

    Why argue, everyone here has a point?! We have infinity looking up in the sky or down to a small world... So, we have infinite number of possibility's... Have a wonderful life or whatever it is ;)

    March 7, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • DannoB.S.

      Amen and thank you! :)

      March 7, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
  16. john doe

    Youtube: kony 2012

    March 7, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
  17. God

    Thank Me! I've been looking for my particle for eons! I found my keys about 3 billion years ago but still can't find that darn particle. Maybe it's with my passport . . . . hhmmmmmm . . .

    March 7, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • yoda sez

      that was the best post here on this particular topic..too funny!

      March 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
  18. paullubbock

    This is scientific research at its purist with limitless possibilities. The search for the fundamental building block of matter has no religious association other than someone making a general reference that it is the God particle inferring it is the creator of all particles. The irony is the scientists search for its existence is not unlike the search everyone who is religious has for proof of their own God. Only uneducated people would say this is a huge waste of money.

    March 7, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • John H.

      Searching for the Higgs boson is not the same as looking for god. We have scientific data that hints at Higgs boson existing. Scientific theory suggests it should exist. There is not supporting evidence that a god exists or has ever existed.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
      • NicoNico

        Nothing that suggests something can be a fact. So scientist have a hint that it "might" exist, without proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
      • Dave

        that was the least commited statement I have ever seen. Essentially you have said that a hint is leading to a guess that something might exist.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
  19. SG-1

    looks like a Stargate......

    March 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • KONY 2012

      KONY 2012 KONY 2012 KONY 2012 KONY2012 look it up if you don't know who this mass murderer is. thanks

      March 7, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
      • D.O.R

        we are talking about something else here , please go away

        March 7, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • EdNv

      lol

      March 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  20. Electron

    I still say we will get to the MOON in this decade!

    March 7, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  21. lunchbreaker

    Article 1

    Section 8
    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries

    March 7, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Ya

      First comment I look at I'm already saying 'Oh, God'

      March 7, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
  22. Devil's advocate

    Allow me to play myself for a second. Now let's make it perfectly clear that I am not religious nor am I an atheist. I am agnostic, which means I will never exclude the possibility of an intelligence greater than ourselves being responsible for everything we see and beyond.

    Science, with all its advances, somehow thinks it can unlock the mysteries of the Universe. That's akin to us living on a grain of sand and then arrogantly claiming we know what, how, and why the Earth is and how it came to be. The truth is that we may never be able to comprehend why this entire Universe came into existence because we lack the intellectual and conceptual abilities needed to understand.

    Thomas Edison once said "We don't know a millionth of a percent about anything:........and that still hold true today.

    March 7, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Joe

      Does that mean we shouldn't strive to learn all that we can, in the hopes of bettering our understanding of the universe and how it works?

      The search for knowledge isn't arrogance. Claiming that one possesses ultimate knowledge of purpose is. Science makes no such claim.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • gregf@kcls.org

      That seems very true. But there is no reason not to try and understand as much of it as we can. Baby steps. I'm not sure that most scientists think they are making more than baby steps, not unlocking the entire mystery of the universe. They often get accused of that, or quoted out of context about that, but I think they are aware of the limitations.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Scott Glenn

      I'm an agnostic as well, but we should still push to learn as much through science as we can, no? Also, the term "higher intelligence", itself, seems a little silly to me. If there is something out there greater than us, I think its most likely not something life-like. The bible says that God created humans in his image, but exactly the opposite is true, I've found.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
      • God

        There are only two types of people in this world, those who are afraid that they may lose God, and those who are afraid that they might find him.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
      • Tim in MN

        Dear god:
        You said:
        There are only two types of people in this world, those who are afraid that they may lose God, and those who are afraid that they might find him.
        If you are so perfect, why can you make such a ridiculous statement? There are many types of people in the world that do not fit your strict, narrow interpretation. How about those that could care less about you? How about those that do not look nor are they afraid of you? And so on...Hmmm...could it be that you are nothing more than an idea?

        March 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
      • Scott Glenn

        @ God – sounds like something nifty you read somewhere that means very little in a practical sense.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • Richard Dawkins

      Are there things about our world which are forever beyond our grasp? Are there things about the universe that are ungraspable?

      March 7, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
      • Mike in Nj

        Yes, but to attribute them to "faith" or a "deity" is to abdicate the responsibilty the "creator" (in whatever guise one chooses to believe in that concept) gave us by giving us a thinking, reasoning brain. Believe what you want, but never use that belief to 'explain' an artifact of reality – that is what science is designed to do.

        Let me repeat that – science is the effort to describe the world around us in a way that we can understand and utilize. Get this, and you will understand why deriding science is deriding what the creator gave us.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Dave McGuire

      But we're learning! In spite of the Republicans, it seems.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • nagrom

      You should have left it to the grain of sand. Then expand that out to the universe. Now tell me some moron human being is going to be able to conceptualize we are we were we will be....

      March 7, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
  23. DaV

    What a waste of money and resorces

    March 7, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Sagebrush Shorty

      Perhaps the research will allow us to teach people how to spell "resources".

      March 7, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
      • AgentJ

        Hah!

        March 7, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
      • Subedei

        Classic!

        March 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • clearfog

      No you're not; every person is important. Your comment, however, is.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
  24. t0m

    Religion and science are a great big oxymoron. If there is a god, doesn't the last 5,000 years of so-called civilization prove him to be a big underachiever?

    March 7, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • GEDfailure

      Perhaps God wanted to see if we need Him – sure looks like we do. Can we screw things up any worse than it is? Uh – yes.

      March 7, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  25. DARKMATTER

    MANY EXPLANATION IS IMPOSSIBLE CAN SHOT A PHOTO?????? HOW MUCH IS THE FORCE OF ELECTRO MAGNETIC A I CAMERA ??? A 1 DOT OF GOD IF THIS IS HOT ARE EQUEVALENT TO 4 BUIDING WITH 6 FLOOR HOW MUCH IS THE POWER OF THIS THEN YOU SHOT A ONLY CAMERA...THAT IS NOT A GOD,,,IF ALLTHE WORKER THERE ARE DIED YES THAT IS A GOD TOO MUCH HIGH THE DREAM BUT LACK OF KNOWLEDGE,,,,,,

    March 7, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • gregf@kcls.org

      Well said.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
      • clearfog

        Yep. You can't argue with that.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Sagebrush Shorty

      Can't argue with that. I guess.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • OMG

      Uhm... okay. Yeah.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Clyde M

      Brian Cox would be proud!

      March 7, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • fiskenmann

      What? Ooooops, my mistake.....WHAT?

      March 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • JoeT

      Mr. Santorum, you need to get back to your campaign schedule.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • fintastic

      Crystal clear!

      March 7, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • OHST001

      I coudnt agree more with whatever it is you said.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • pm

      SO, YOUR GREYMATTER HAS TURNED TO DARKMATTER?????

      March 7, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • MannyDanny44

      That guy's missing a Higgs Boson or two.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Earthling

      Wish I had thought of that.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • 1/0

      You had me at MANY but then proceeded to lose me at EXPLANATION.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • "Sotia."

      OK DARKMATTER, COOL IT & CUT IT OUT.

      I don't know what authority you claim to have, but I do know I can't bare another SECOND of your threats and bull-sh!t. I mean science does alot of good, yeahhh there is a sense of possible corruption and hopelessness, but that by (WHAT?!) means gives one the authority to say that b/c we study it, the Lord will destroy us irregardless?!

      CALM DOWN AND WAKE UP....IN THAT ORDER.

      AND DO NOT; DO-NOT CLAIM A HERO IS ONE IN VAIN, weather they have powers or NOT, a hero is NEVER in vain. I mean you seem pritie strong about your opposition, what good is it to channel it to Hate, when you can channel it to the concern of others?! I am not saying you do not, but you are also claiming severe malice to others and their freewill! By what means do you fuel your anger?! By what reasons do you find necessary to lash out to others so intensely?!

      I mean it DarkMatter, stop focusing on destruction so purely, the field isn't so 2 sided, it does have contrast...

      March 7, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
  26. Heather Winkles

    Reblogged this on heatherwinkles.

    March 7, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
  27. Civilian

    I'm no closer to forming an opinion on particle theory, God, Atheism or whether fantastically assembled 747s are way cooler than infinite monkeys at typewriters. ("Damnit! Nothing but one of the lesser sonnets this time!') I have to say, though, it's been lots of fun watching you brainiacs bump brains! Most of the arguments I'm witness to are regarding more serious societal issues such as: Just how long can yogurt sit out on the counter before it's spoiled; and does saran wrap make any difference? – or the more challenging – Are humans genetically related to bees, or is that stuff in your ears just something waxy? Anyway, thanks for the great read! You all just might get me interested in learning a bit about Physics yet!

    March 7, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
  28. castrea

    "For what can be known about GOD is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." Rom 1:19-20

    March 7, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Clyde M

      And this has what, exactly, to do with particle accelerators?

      March 7, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Earthling

      bronze age fairy tales are not relevant

      March 7, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  29. skeptic

    correct me if I'm wrong, but this article doesn't do one single thing to make anything "more clear" and they definitely still have zero insight into whatever they are calling "god" (hiss bison, whatever they named it)

    March 7, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Mike

      ok, I will then.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • I'm The Best!

      They aren't actually calling anything god. It's actually called the Higg's boson particle which is just a particle similar to the electron but much harder to find. This story is just an update on how the search is going for it.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • balansact

      Just because something has the word "god" in it, doesn't mean it is about religion. Read the article! The particle is so elusive, the author of the term wanted to call it the g o d d am n particle, but shortened it. It is not a search for something to attempt to show there is no god. It is a scientific quest to discover more information about this universe to which we belong.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Muddy

      Let me try to explain.
      They have a theory about what the Higgs particle is made of.
      They recently got a much better "measurement" of what this sub particle mass, which allows them to predict the mass of Higgs particle much more precisely.
      Thus, if they observe the Higgs Particle interacting with something, they will have a much better predicting of what they should see. Thus, if what they see matches this much better mass estimate, the chance they have found the Higgs particle when they see these predicted effects is much better.

      That is how science works, you make predictions and then see if they fit what you see. You can of course be wrong. I would say the chance that modern physics is not wrong on a lot of this cutting edge stuff is zero, however that doesn't mean it will not yield usable results.
      Newtonian physics is absolutely wrong in its predictions related to mass and acceleration, however it provided far better estimates of what would happen in the real world than what had gone before for a very long time. At the level of detail we normally see the world, Newtonian physics works just fine, however if we are directting a CRT beam its not very good at all. Modern physics does the same, despte the fact that 200 years from now it maybe considered to be wrong at the level of precision they are able to do in 200 years. However, in most cases, Newtonian physical will still work fine I suspect unless someone invents Faster than Light Drive.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  30. Reason

    Someone thought it was a good idea to spend $10 billion + on this BS?

    March 7, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Dark

      Absolutely! Why couldn't they have used the money in more useful ways- like feeding the hungry, or stopping war? All this fascination with things you can't even see! What's up with that? They'll be looking for this thing forever! And even if they find it, what does it matter? So they found it. big deal

      March 7, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
      • Nunya

        You will never eliminate hunger. You will never eliminate war.

        You can create things that improve untold numbers of lives by engaging in fundamental scientific research.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
      • Me

        Could help the entire human race reassess its priorities and redefine what is considered important. If we knew where we all came from, it could unify all of us. Read Phenomenology of Mind – Hegel

        March 7, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
      • That guy

        I agree with dark......why waste money on something that would probably never be discovered. Yes there will always be war and hunger, but that is not the point, we should be trying to help those who are less fortunate then others. P.S. Even if we all knew where we came from that would not stop the human race from trying to kill each other, hell I think alot of people wouldnt even care, let alone UNIFY with each other.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
      • Ugggghhhh

        Folks! Spending 10 billion dollars means trillions of dollars upon discoveries, the only reason you have a computer now is because of people like out there discovering more about the fabric we actually live in... And yes your computer has particles as well....But then again almost everything does.....

        March 8, 2012 at 3:50 am |
    • Tad pole

      I could be one of the most important scientific discoveries of our time. I suppose you don't have a deep enough understanding of the issue due to your lack of education on the matter (that isn't an insult – just an observation).

      March 7, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
      • Reason

        Please enlighten us. I honestly fail to see how this could ever be considered a worthwhile investment. Specifics would help, hyperbole does not.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Slip

      TO ANYONE WHO THINK THIS IS A WASTE
      this particle can be the beginning to a new world, if we harness this particle we can make anything meaning more a single particle can potential power all of the U.S. for a long time..... this is just one of the few possible uses

      March 7, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
      • Reason

        Which comic book lays out that theory?

        March 7, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Ben

      Yes... because tons of the technology that you use in your day to day life is based on knowledge that was gained when people spent billions on this $&%+ 25 years ago.

      Computers, lasers, and GPS are all important, right? They all work on ideas that physicists found in experiments like this. I understand your zest for fiscal responsibility, but this stuff is actually useful.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • I'm The Best!

      Knowledge of how gravity works and what creates it can lead to true artificial gravity which can be used in many ways to advance society. If I would donate money to anything it would be things like this.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Chris

      I know, completely insane. Kind of like the King of Spain funding an expedition for Christopher Colombus. Everyone then knew the earth was flat and that the ships would sail right over the edge. They NEVER should have wasted time and money on that stupid expedition.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  31. SPQR

    When they do find out the truth, they will realize that some things are best left alone.

    March 7, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • skeptic

      they will only ever be able to find out any "truth" as they themselves have defined it, a nice cozy closed loop of profoundly flawed reasoning.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
  32. thedude

    Meanwhile, liberals are planning to rename it the "Obama particle."

    March 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • lucentsky

      Wut.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • palintwit

      Put the computer down and get back in your cage.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • sbp

      And Conservatives refuse to name it anything; since it is not mentioned in the Bible, they are refusing to acknowledge its existence.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
      • george9

        That, and they have no good candidate. They don't even want to name it after Bush anymore.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
      • Starman

        To deny the existence of the "God Particle" aka Higgs boson is to deny your own existence.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • george9

      Meanwhile, conservatives post more stupid and useless political things that don't further the discussion in any way.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Sagebrush Shorty

      Because no one knows what it really does or where it really came from.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  33. macphile

    Considering that the scientists studying this despise the term "God particle" and that the term originated as a definite "what *not* to ever call it," when will the media, you know, stop using it? I know, never. Once it's out there, it's out there, and it's forever. It's very aggravating.

    No one's denying its possible importance, but the term implies some kind of "meaning of life" that tends to set people on edge.

    So let's straighten this out. Its name is "Higgs boson." If it exists, it will probably be extremely important and lead to significant changes in unimaginable ways. If it doesn't exist, it won't. And it's not God, nor does it prove or disprove God, any more than anything else does. It's "just" a particle. Unless it doesn't exist. But it probably does.

    March 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Quoting

      What I've been saying.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • AWaB

      Actually, not finding it is just as, if not more, exciting than finding it! If it's not there then the standard model is broken and the theory boys get to head back to the drawing board. Who knows what we'll find then!

      March 7, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • balansact

      Thank you, Macphile, for putting it so well.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
  34. NicoNico

    @Everyone
    Like everyone else in here, I agree that there are major differences between religion and science. However your feelings are towards each subject, and your freedom of speech, I do not believe no one in here has enough authority to prove or disclaim anyone of their own sets of idea.
    If you do not believe in such particle, or if the name is too provacative for you, just accepted what sicentists have done so far and do not criticize the nomenclature; of course you could criticize the ideology of how they attained such name or its findings so far, but not based on religious motives.
    Likewise for the scientists here – or non-believer of religions – you can debate the question (or questions) or why,what, whom, and when about God, however, you cannot for a fact disclaim the existenc of one. Like science "requieres" proof to theorize and eventually inplement an ideology, no one has enough proof that a God does not exist, like no one has a definite answer to the Boson Higgins particle.

    Just cool off and let things move on until one day the answer we might be expecting surges and completes the blank slate left by the question.

    March 7, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @NicoNico: You said, "no one has enough proof that a God does not exist"

      That's not nearly a good enough reason for me to assume that it does. Stop trying to make it a 50/50 proposition.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
      • NicoNico

        This is not a 50/50 proposition. If you can disclaim the existence of any God, let me know. Meanwhile no has has yet to find this particle and they "claim" it exists. I do believe this is enough grounds to prompt a no winner by default.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • impartial_oberver

      Nico: That is a fallacy. The burden of proof is NOT the same as the burden of non proof. That is ridiculous. Faith and science exist on different levels. The vast majority of scientists are non-believers; they deal with FACTS; even what we call "theories" are in fact FACTS. This is a fact. All theories are based on the demonstration of a FACT. Ignorant/semi-literate people simply do not understand what the term "theory" truly implies. It is NOT the ethical/moral equivalent of FAITH but rather a far superior level of demonstrability. If you and others choose to believe in fairytales because it helps you cope with reality (read: death) better, then that's all good and fine. But please don't you dare co-opt science by placing it on-par with Religion. That is truly dumb and frankly immoral. As I said, it's a fallacy.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
      • NicoNico

        Why is it so hard to look away from religion when it matters. Backlashing something on the grounds it doesnt exist or is impartial to proof is also a fallacy. I believe in religion – to some degree- but answer me this: If I cant (of course I cant) explain God, please for the love of God explain me how everthing surged from a "point" into nothing to something that is ,at some point, arduous to mentally visualize but yet we all agree that some "unknown" mysterious, possibly "mistical", event sprung all we know. We need to calm down and take every option into hand and scrutinize them very carfully throught more years to come, especially know that we have a better, more sophisticated advance into technology, not just throw away ideas and beliefs because "numbers" say so. If all that has not alerted you somehow, go to your room, sit down for 5 minutes, and reflect on how your existance is important to the Universe, not just to your papers at school.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
      • AgentJ

        Theories are based on observations, actually. A Hypothesis that explains particular behavior, and is able to predict such behavior, is often accepted as a Theory by the scientific community.
        The currently accepted Theories are a bit of a moving target. You shouldn't make the word 'Theory' synonymous with 'Fact'.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
      • GEDfailure

        HAHAH – "we" huh – so you're part of the "smart" crowd – that's a hoot. "Ignorant/semi-literate people simply do not understand what the term "theory" truly implies" – that is the stupidest statement I ever heard. A theory is what a theory is – A THEORY NOT A FACT! What's "implied" is subjective, dimwit, like scoring figure skating. Please stop trying to sound SMART – the more you do – the more you look like a POMPOUS FOOL. Like you "implied" – let's stick to the FACTS!!!!

        March 7, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • llamasllamas

      We can't disprove "God" but you cant prove him either.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
      • NicoNico

        You are 100% correct my friend. I cannot prove God, but can you prove this particle? All we can do is try. Trying is not doing something in vain despite results, because results, although sometimes might yield negative results, at least we ought to try and see for ourselves what the answer is. Scientist cant prove or disprove any deity, but they also cant prove or disprove Boson Higgins. What a world of pain in at that academic level.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Edgar X

      Proving that something does not exist is a material and philosophical impossibility. Unless you can empirically prove the existence of something, it is non-existence is fundamentally attested. That is an unbreakable, universal law. Not one individual, since the dawn of humanity, has ever been able to demonstrate the existence of the god depicted in religion, or any other deity, nor postulate a mathematical theory or present any substantive, observable phenomenon to support the possibility of its existence, therefore, until otherwise proven, it is unintelligent and illogical to think that there is such a thing.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
      • NicoNico

        You are right my friend. No one has probably came close to postulating something of that magnetude yet. But listen to this: why is it some hard to at some point in your conscious to leave certain ideologies aside and have some ambiguity towards such a sensitive subject? Scientists up to this day cant prove or disprove Bosson Higgns also. Keep that in mind my friend.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Sean

      Sigh… another nub trying to bring science down to the level of fairy tales. Sorry boss but they are not equivalents and no amount of wanting them to be is going to change that.

      March 7, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
  35. Face

    Disproving the Higgs Bison is just as important as Discovering it. 6 months ago it was apparent that it didn't exist with a 95% probability... I wonder what that Percent is today?

    March 7, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • I'm The Best!

      Where did you hear that? Everything I've read, usually from physicists and now news websites, is that it almost certainly exists. The real debate is how heavy it is and how much energy it will take to find it.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • aure

      Higgs boson is missing X in formula – it most probably IS there and if not then physics is wrongly understood and we must approach to it much differently.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
  36. Electron

    All of you have lost the ability to reason. I have 2 PHD's and I am telling you we will get to the MOON in this decade.

    March 7, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • NicoNico

      Haven't we been to the Moon already? Or do you talk about Newt Gingrich's colonies xD

      March 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • debbie

      LOL – nobody on this board is going to get it you know.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  37. JB

    50 years from now parents will be discussing at what age it is appropriate to tell their kids that santa claus, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, and god – don't actually exist.

    March 7, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • The all potent one

      Maybe 500 but not 50

      March 7, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
      • Quoting

        You can never "prove" that

        March 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Quoting

      Because finding it still wont "prove" or "disprove" anything

      March 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
  38. siam

    The message from Creator:
    Humans are hopeless with their chaotic and primitive desires dictated by the primitive biology. The destiny of humankind is to create the next generation of intelligence “carrier” that would not need religion to mitigate the fear of death and biological shortcomings. So the humans are temporal and the intelligence generating science is forever… Who need religion when we can worship (and some of us even do) science?

    March 7, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Quoting

      Funny how people think Religion is just for people who "fear death"

      March 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • "Sotia."

      And Latias.

      One MUST embrace a balance with the Kings of the North's Construct, and the Kings of the South's Construct; as created by the Creator. I mean, there must be a way to avoid such horrific fates, balancing the mechanical with the biological. Greg Farshely once described one, I am not a fan of it entirely, but I believe one can learn from it. Another story is of "Transformer's" a group of centain beings who can transform at their will, not often, but when they do, they aid people. *if they are good!* For such a thing sounds great, but I fear it will draw ourselves to becoming batteries, and that should be avoided...

      March 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
  39. siam

    The message from Creator:

    Humans are hopeless with their chaotic and primitive desires dictated by the primitive biology. The destiny of humankind is to create the next generation of intelligence “carrier” that would not need religion to mitigate the fear of death and biological shortcomings. So the humans are temporal and the intelligence generating science is forever… Who need religion when we can worship (and some of us even do) science?

    March 7, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • "Sotia."

      It was probably obvious, but thanks for revealing that, it may help greatly this year... I'm not some kind of prophet, but ones intuition does create a path..

      March 7, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  40. Dan

    If God made the universe is not the study of the universe the study of God?

    March 7, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Scott

      That makes an unfounded presumption: that god(s) exists. Science is based on looking at dtat first, then forming a hypothesis that fits the data. If that stands up to rigorous testing, and shown to be correct, it is then called a theory. If it is shown to be absolutely inviolable, it is called a law.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
      • Dan

        Theories do not evolve into laws with further proof. You do not know what you are talking about.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
  41. carlyjanewg

    http://www.Hear-The-Truth.com

    March 7, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Brunnyia

      that is totally whacked if you believe that crap.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Judas Priest

      The site is incorrectly named.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  42. andyst

    Point taken! Not trying to sound like an authority but I do have conviction in this theory.

    March 7, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
  43. Alexishere

    Not once in this article is the term "Higgs boson" actually explained. Not once! Physics is fascinating but why even publish an article that doesn't EXPLAIN anything? To be honest, I don't even understand what a "God particle" is, even after reading this and other articles. I can't imagine a more stupid, misleading term. If you're religious a "God particle" is likely somewhat insulting or dismissive, and if you're not religious the term is meaningless and pseudo-dramatic. This is a very poorly written article that tells readers only that scientists are looking for something elusive. That's why they are researchers! I'm actually frustrated after reading this because I haven't learned anything at all.

    March 7, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • RillyKewl

      Its just an update. If you've been following this, its just telling us what's happening at FermiLab. No biggie. The actual Higgs bosom is a long, complex research story. If you're curious, you'll go read more...

      March 7, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Joshua

      Thats why there are multiple links within the article to pieces that explain the Higgs boson in great detail.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • FifthApe

      Alexis – what a pathetic stance given the world we live in. Dig – just a wee bit and you can find this out. You can read all day on this and know so much by its end. You must be supremely lazy.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • elandau

      Hi, I did state that it would help explain the origin of mass, but please click on the other links in the story, such as this one below, for more information.

      http://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/13/world/europe/higgs-boson-q-and-a/index.html

      Thanks for reading!
      Elizabeth Landau, CNN.com

      March 7, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Richard S. Russell

      Basic info: The Higgs boson and the "god particle" are the same thing. "Higgs boson" is what scientists call it; "god particle" is what media people call it. It's the particle that, if it exists, explains why some OTHER subatomic particles have mass (resistance to being moved).

      March 7, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Linda

      I was thinkg the exact same thing. This is hogwash, alot of jibba jabba, just get to the plan facts!!!

      March 7, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
      • clearfog

        A Corollary – Simple minds think alike. Thank you for the demonstration.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • conner

      The Higgs boson is a hypothetical elementary particle predicted by the Standard Model (SM) of particle physics. It belongs to a class of elementary particles known as bosons, which includes photons and gluons. The Higgs field is a quantum field with a non-zero value that fills all of space, and explains why fundamental particles such as quarks and electrons have mass. The Higgs boson is an excitation of the Higgs field above its ground state.

      The existence of the Higgs boson is predicted by the Standard Model to explain how spontaneous breaking of electroweak symmetry (the Higgs mechanism) takes place in nature, which in turn explains why other elementary particles have mass.[Note 1] Its discovery would further validate the Standard Model as essentially correct, as it is the only elementary particle predicted by the Standard Model that has not yet been observed in particle physics experiments.[2] The Standard Model completely fixes the properties of the Higgs boson, except for its mass. It is expected to have no spin and no electric or color charge, and it interacts with other particles through weak interaction and Yukawa interactions.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
      • Gary H

        So, here we are talking about 'models' of some theory, that has some evidence of to prove what? If the particle is then found, what will that truely accomplish? Im sure glad Im not paying for these experiments. I still find it a bit worrisom, especially when they say the tests will not cause any harm. How would they truely know this? They are messing around in areas that are completely unknown, with so much power that's been discovered in the use of the atom as weapon, how do we KNOW that the collisions that MIGHT be produced and the potential of energy that might be unleashed won't be a problem? I really think 'they' (scientists) need to provide more reassurance.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  44. Gary H

    What I find interesting about all this is in the Gospel of Thomas (the one that the 'church fathers' rejected) is that in that gospel you will find the following; verse (18) "The disciples said to Jesus: Tell us how our end shall be. Jesus said: Have you then discovered the beginning, that you seek after the end? For where the beginning is, there shall the end be. Blessed is he who shall stand in the beginning, and he shall know the end and shall not taste of death." So, it seems the scientific quest to find our beginning they will find OUR end!! This could prove to be very prophetic!! hmmmm

    March 7, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • lucentsky

      That's ridiculous.

      If you really want to be concerned with our end, consider the threat of nuclear warfare, particularly by the United States.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
      • ireuel

        No we made that mistake in the 1940's. Sorry that you so hate us. We are usually peaceful people until someone fly's airplanes into our building or when some dictator is murdering mass amounts of people to the point they are have to bury them in mass graves. Do have a nice day unless you are in a country that has not learned the lesson of don't mess with us or else.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
      • lucentsky

        @ireuel : I am a United States citizen, and part of being in a democracy is acknowledging your governments faults and correcting them. Until we can critisize our own country's actions without calling it "hate," we can't call ourselves a democracy. Secondly, the U.S. is still an extremely danerous catalyst for nuclear warfare for many reasons: we have more nuclear weapons than any other nation, we are extremely aggressive, and we continually show other countries that to bargain with us, they have to have nuclear weapons.

        Your basic believe that the State cares about dictatorship shows total ignorance of U.S. policies. This isn't your fault, however, because such facts are not presented to you.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
      • Gary H

        All I said is that I find it interesting. Nowhere do I indicate a 'concern'. I view it this way, if our end is near, so be it, but I certainly am not a doomsayer. Although, you seem to be!

        March 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • JBHedgehog

      Hey Gary, instead of the metal ends of the plug, lick your fingers and try to stuff them into the electrical outlet instead...mmmkay?

      March 7, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • john smiith

      Well, now we have a connection between the article and religion, can a political commentary be far behind?

      March 7, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Clyde M

      Methinks you misunderstand both the gospel quote AND the science too much...

      March 7, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
      • Gary H

        How about enlightening me, us? It seems pretty plain to me, but this is my view, nowhere do I imply this is an absoulute, its just a quoate!!

        March 7, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
  45. bristoltwit palin... America's favorite dancing cow

    Mmmmm.... p00p

    March 7, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • horse fox fish

      Have you tried with your fingers spread appart. Even the LHC is not looking for everything. You need to sift the data. Just what falls through the cracks. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Wow.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
  46. Nighthhaawk

    In the 1940's semiconductors did NOT exist. Then transistors were inverted and eventually tiny circuits – the very thing you people are using right now to have this insane debate... give the scientists a chance. Who knows? In 62 years, your children may be arguing over some media made possible by the Higgs Boson...!

    March 7, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • horse fox fish

      Wow. All those words and you said nothing. Take a vacation.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
  47. lightyear

    The physicists are now finding out that what the ancient texts of India discovered millennia ago. All is Light, all is One. Space, Time and the Atom were discovered and investigated by the ancients in India. I invite you to research and be amazed by this knowledge. I am sure none of you will though. We are all so skillful in our denials. Thinking we have open minds, they are actually closed tight.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • lucentsky

      The "All are One" argument goes back to ancient Greece in Western Philosophy. That you feel like the universal laws of physics relates to it is a gross misunderstanding of what science is about. I urge you to read some books about scientific philosophy, and you'll quickly discover why it contradicts with the "wholeness" arguments.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • JBHedgehog

      Did those amazing texts explain why you have weight? No, they did not. This will...and that's amazing. Think about an atom, it's basically empty space with a heavy dot in the middle and all sorts of mosquitoes flying around it. But if most of it is space, empty space, why then you you have mass? The Indian texts also suggested you go out and seek the truth and not be satisfied with the current explanation of things. Seek out truth! Don't just accept prior truths as the gospel.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • rstlne

      Research where? Please be a little more specific. India is a huge country with multiple religions, cultures and points of view. What are you talking about?

      March 7, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • "Sotia."

      "LightYear."

      Don't trap people. You have great intuition and your knowledge holds SOME credibility, your argument is "you-ni-very-don't-mention-it-in-public", if you catch my drift. I do recognize it, but it stems on Bitter seeds, try to see hope and -its repair- rather than looking for the reset so often... And yes, the time will come when it will be revealed, be SURE of that, but focus on repair, rather than assimilation.... take my word on this...

      March 7, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
  48. idiotsspeak

    SOB, you people are dumb. Galileo, Newton, Kelvin, Einstein, and many, many more all believed in God and Science and kept them separate, You should do the same. Everytime there is a scientific discovery, Atheists are on here spouting off anti-God comments and vice versa. You guys should be home coloring instead of on here trying to figure out our existence.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • lucentsky

      There's not much evidence that ANY of those scientists kept their religion seperate. It just wasn't part of the World View that existed in that era.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Dave

      furthermore, to refer to einstein as having been a believer in God is quite a stretch, to say the least.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
      • lucentsky

        It's certainly true that Einstein was an atheist in any colloquial meaning of the word.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
      • AmesIA

        Have you read is biographical work? Surely not an atheist!

        March 7, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
      • lucentsky

        Einstein was generally considered to be a pantheist. This notion is so remote from the colliqual idea of "God," that it's basically atheism. It's hardly distinguishable from atheism. The only reason the idea persists that Einstein believed in God was that he equated nature with God but never made any distinction in all of those quotes you hear religious folks use.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • AmesIA

      Truth is eternal and facts change as our understanding of the universe changes. As soon as you try to hook matters of faith onto facts (the earth is flat, at the center of the universe, ...) rather than truth you start to deny reality because it shakes up your faith when the reality you set it on changes.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  49. jim mraz

    Its going to be a disappointing end and waste of 30 billion, If it was so clearer Why are the switching it off in NOVEMBER and doubling the power ?. and switching it back on in 2013 ?. So really they are another 10-20 billion away from finding it ? Ever seen a supernova in the night sky that's another bunch of humans playing with particle collides ? There is no higgs particle. I guarantee it.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Dave

      jim, it's high time you actually read the article. Nothing is being shut off and back on. It was the TEVATRON in illinois that was shut down, back in september of last year. The Large Hadron Collider, or LHC, is in europe and is still operational, and yes, it will in fact be receiving far more data than before. Does this help?

      March 7, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • FifthApe

      Says Jim, the obvious no-nothing troll.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • sksk

      Spoken like a true scholar, Jim.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
      • longtooth

        Jim guarantees there's no Higgs. He's saving us billions! Let's invest the money in more affordable beer!

        March 7, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
  50. andyst

    The universe is simular to an elastic band the matter gets sucked together by gravity and then condenses so tight that it explodes. Who knows how many times this has happened before this time. This process takes billions if not tens of billions of years. We are currently going through the expansion phase.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Dave

      Cool theory bro. Maybe true, but to say it with such authority makes you sound as nutty as the fundy's.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
      • lucentsky

        Actually, that was a prevailing theory before it was discovered that the universe had an accelerating expansion. However, it's quite unknown what is causing that acceleration, so to say it's like a rubber band is just as legitimate as any other hypothesis. There's a grave amount of uncertainty in the current models.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
      • andyst

        Sorry actually posted when I meant to reply. Your point is taken, I am not trying to sound like an authority. I do beleive this to be a very good theory though.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
  51. JTampa

    The Higgs Bosun and dark matter are only two examples of how little science actually does know. We live in a mysterious universe and are incredibly ignorant. I think atheism is another inflexible fundamentalist mentality that makes our existence seem less scary. But its just as flawed as being fundamentally religious because it claims to know "the truth." That truth being that there is no God. The truth is that we just don't know. And there is no simple answer such as the biblical God or the lack thereof. I'm not saying the bible sees God as simple but evangelicals and the like tend to see God in very simplistic terms. Our greatest problem isn't just our fear but how it masquerades as religions and philosophies which do nothing to improve our lives on earth.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • lucentsky

      But science doesn't claim "atheism" or any other belief as an absolute truth. In fact, it makes no claim of absolute truth on anything. It's simply a philosophy that says you can hold any hypothesis you want, unless it's falsifiable (it can be proven false in SOME way), and that the truth of the thing can never be established but only given probabalistic favor by experiment. It only cuts out claims that contradict with evidence, or with itself.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • DMoney

      Well said sir! Any type of "belief" is really just a way to keep us from having to think about it too much so we can get on with our lives. I for one, am much more interested learning in the potential of life and the universe, rather than the accepting our current, rather troubling reality we live in. Simply "believing" without knowing is accepting that this is all there is, and there is nothing more to learn. We are not going to know the all the truths of the universe for a VERY long time, but we still need work at it. What else is there to do in the long run?

      March 7, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Rick

      Science can not confirm that there is, or is not a God. So, scientifically the existance of God is a possibility.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
      • impartial_oberver

        Wrong. There is no empirical proof of the existance of a deity. That is an act of BELEIF or FAITH that as someone mentioned above, is an invented feel-good way of dealing with human existance. Some of us are skeptics that feel discomfort with simply following the herd, which is what most faith-based processes are about. It's very hard to not look down on such willful acts of purposeful ignorance. I do try though.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • Clyde M

      "I think atheism is another inflexible fundamentalist mentality that makes our existence seem less scary. But its just as flawed as being fundamentally religious because it claims to know "the truth.""

      No, no it doesn't.
      Atheism simply means that one lacks a belief in a god or gods. It doe NOT necessarily mean that you actively believe there is no god, merely that you lack a belief in one. The ACTIVE belief "there is NO god" is often referred to as strong atheism, and I agree has no real basis. However, the mere lack of a belief in a god or gods, often called weak atheism, makes no such claim and needs no form of justification.

      I personally lack a belief in a god or gods due to the utter lack of empirical evidence to support the claims that such a being(s) exists. That in no way translates to a "fundamentally religious because it claims to know "the truth.""

      March 7, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
  52. Ron

    Seems suspect to me, hmm let's discover something ALMOST, if we can keep our jobs a bit longer hooray!

    March 7, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      *facepalm*
      Dude, these guys keep their jobs regardless, they are amongst the smartest people on the planet in their fields, they don't need to go finding work.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
      • Scott

        Yeah, they're scouted like professional sports stars. Except what they do actually affects the world.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
      • Ron

        That is the point – how many Tevatron experts will be needed since the Tevatron has been shut down? Makes a great resume, but no cigar.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
  53. RillyKewl

    Thank god there are still countries that believe in science and spending enough money to fund great discoveries!

    March 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • GOD-danged particle

      Yes, let's thank GOD for continuance of science funding! Dumb, dumb, dumb.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
      • RillyKewl

        Dumb is the inability to recognize irony. Look it up.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
      • Cedar Rapids

        He thinks it means Iron like

        March 7, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
  54. TheMagusNYC

    critical to keep one's ontology separate from one's scientology.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
  55. Shaundel

    Why dont the money spend on this particle thing be spend on the poor to feed there kid and give them insurance?

    March 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Your not important

      Because science is much more important to the greater good of humanity then someone who doesn't have the motivation to better their lives or their childrens lives. Stop looking for hand outs and blaming everyone else for the short comings of uneducated people.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • RillyKewl

      Why should one negate the other? Both are very important to a rich country.
      If we return to the Clinton-era tax structure, we can be great again.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
      • RillyKewl

        Sorry, I should've said, Both are very important to a *great* country.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Ed

      I'm sure someone once said that about the study of the behavior of subatomic particles. This knowledge brought about the electronics age, creating a whole new economy and wealth that helped pay for such things as education and healthcare for large numbers of people.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Mark

      "Why *dont* the money *spend* on this particle thing *be spend* on the poor to feed *there* kid and give them insurance?"

      isn't ... spent ... being spent ... their

      Maybe it would be better spent on Education?

      March 7, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
      • Correction

        Education is not a proper noun. There's no need to capitalize it.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • scoobypoo

      How about all the money spent on elaborate churches, mosques, temples, etc. be spent instead on the poor.
      It would amount to much, much more than scientific research funding.

      Oh, and by the way, tax the frigging churches too.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Clyde M

      Because the money spent on this particle thingy is going to help discover new understandings of physics that will one day lead to new opportunities, benefits, and technologies for ALL. We wouldn't have computers like we do without first understanding quantum mechanics. And every new discovery eventually leads to new technologies.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  56. duasbhd89

    stop calling it the god particle so these religious nut jobs will stop automatically dismissing it without having the slightest clue as to what it is

    March 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • RillyKewl

      that's the fun part.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
      • NUMBNUT

        Agree! This is great entertainment.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
  57. Man

    Energy Is

    March 7, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • units matter

      ...not expressed in units of mass and mass is certainly not expressed in units of energy like GeV.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
      • Earthling

        Actually, gigaelectronvolts are the normal units used in describing the mass of small, fast particles like these. E=mc^2, remember? When the mass is a very small number, if you multipy it by a very big number it becomes a lot easier to discuss.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
  58. palintwit

    Physicists from the prestigous Sarah Palin University have teamed up with their counterparts at Fermilab and are using this accelerator to try to find a way to de-shriek Sarah Palin's voice. It has finally occured to Sarah Palin's handlers that the American public does not like the sound of squeaky balloons, fingernails on a chalkboard, nor do they like chewing on aluminum foil.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
  59. TheMagusNYC

    "explaining the origin of mass" has nothing to do with "explaining the ORIGIN of anything," just its transformation from energy. Scientists have no special insights into the nature of God.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Sean

      Because there is no evidence of said god or gods.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • duasbhd89

      Morons like this are why the media needs to stop with the "god particle" garbage. It has nothing to do with god, only religious lunatics are trying to turn it into science trying to discover god.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • GOD-danged particle

      Magus (of NYC), there is no God. Scientists do not waste time searching for things that are definitely not there.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
      • chicago7

        You know no more about the *definite* existence or nonexistence of God than anyone else unless you died and came back to give us the benefit of your insights about the afterlife.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Dana

      neither do those whom ignore science. If you would know the "mind of god" should learn science. and understand the difference between science where proof is required, and faith, which requires no proof. Unless your faith is weak.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
      • fintastic

        Huh????

        March 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • JCthatsme

      Scientists hope to prove the existance of this particle to verify the theorys first postulated decades ago, but so far the LHC has given evidence of particles traveling faster than the speed of light, which is bad news for Einsteins relativity theory, if they cannot find this particle then what has been excepted as scientific fact in particle physics will be groundless, the LHC could send science back to square one

      March 7, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
      • FifthApe

        JC – try and keep up. The faster than light neutrinos are now not looking that fast after all.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  60. Scientist

    None of us call it the "god particle." It's unfortunate, because its discovery would be quite significant, and all anybody cares about is its inane name.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
  61. bfpiercelk

    Could you morons quit calling this the 'God Particle', it's the Higgs Boson, just one of many particles predicted by Quantum Theory. It's important sure, but sheesh.... let's call it what it is.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • John

      Why are you calling the worlds leading scientists morons? Do you really hate god so much that you cant even stand to hear the name? So bizarre

      March 7, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
      • Sean

        @ John
        The world’s leading scientists call it the Higgs Boson.

        P.s. “God” is not ‘his’ name. Don’t you people know your own theology?

        March 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
      • mg

        religion is getting a free publicity ride off science...using science to validate itself if you will...The higgs Boson has nothing to do with the existence of God

        March 7, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
      • Adrift

        If you can't keep up with the conversation, then you should not participate.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
  62. S-Hug

    So sad that the greatest scientific achievements of America are now be deferred to foreign visionaries. We've sold out American innovation so our corporate-owned nation can further pursue war profiteering, give more tax cuts to billionaires, and privatize everything until we become third world.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • FifthApe

      Look at the bright side. Bobby Jindel got creationism into the Louisiana school system. Imagine how that looks to the world.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
  63. Johnny 5

    Science is just awesome. Hopefully one day the particle is found, religion fades away and we move forward in so many ways.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • John

      Man created religion, not god. As long as man exists religion will always be here, unfortunately. Even within the athiest community there are religious factions. Athiesm itself is religion. Even if it didnt exist, man would start worshipping other men. Its human nature

      March 7, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
      • Nope

        "Atheism itself is a religion."

        Wrong. "A" = "Without." "Theism" = "Belief in a deity."

        I lack belief in a deity, therefore I am an A-Theist. How is that a religion?

        March 7, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
      • John

        Nope. You do realize there is more than one defintion of religion, other than the one that suits your needs

        March 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
      • Paul

        @Nope
        Religion – the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practice.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
      • Ed

        Atheism is as much a religion as off is a TV channel.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
      • Paul

        @Ed
        You do realize there is an "Off TV" right?

        March 7, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
      • Sean

        @John
        Then post the definition that supports your view and the source.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
      • Chris

        No John, religion is a set of beliefs, you can't "change" that definition. Atheism is by definition the absence of a belief in a god. An atheist does not even have to believe in science, they just need to not believe in a deity. The absence of belief cannot be a religion.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
      • Cedar Rapids

        "John – Nope. You do realize there is more than one defintion of religion, other than the one that suits your needs"

        In other words you want to use a defintion that suits your needs?
        Lets face it, we all know what we mean by religion and to try to claim something else is just BS

        March 7, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
      • definitions matter

        Religion is belief in the absence of testable evidence. Science is the collection of cohesive testable evidence to support an idea. Since the existence of 'God" can neither be proved nor disproved at this time (very conveniently for the brokers of "God", e.i. priests), a firm belief in the absence of "God" without testable evidence could indeed become a type of religion. Any true scientist could therefore only be agnostic since the dearth of evidence in either direction is sorely lacking.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
      • Cedar Rapids

        "Religion is belief in the absence of testable evidence."

        That sounds more like the definition of faith to me, not religion, not the same thing.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
      • Chris

        @definitions matter: Religion is not defined as a belief in the absence of testable evidence. Any set of beliefs can be a religion, which is why science itself can said to be a religion. Atheism, however, cannot be a religion. There can be testable proof that there is a god, and someone can still choose to ignore the evidence and be an atheist.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
      • Sean

        @John
        Your silence speaks for itself John.

        @Chris
        Sorry but no. Science is a method of study and measurement, no belief is required.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Wyla

      Religion was created directly from fear of death.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
      • John

        Um. If one isnt religious and doesnt believe anything happens whenyou die, why would one then create a religion where there is a consequence after death if you lead an evil life?

        March 7, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
      • Pallasathene

        John: It's for the same reason parents tell t heir children bad people will come get them if they don't behave. Santa won't bring you anything if you don't behave. To keep pepole in line, sir. It's the only reason 'hell' was invented. Scare them into being good.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
      • Bob

        John: Precisely because there IS an afterlife and a punishment means that you don't really die. According to nearly every religion, a person still retains their awareness and consciousness after they die; death isn't really death to them, it's just another kind of 'life' where you retain some semblance of your humanity. And before you think "Well, is that so bad?" the answer to that is no, it's not so bad. Religion is a set of philosophies that help us explain ourselves as humans, and those religions are packed with metaphors. The moment we start interpreting the metaphor as fact is when we become dangerous and stupid. Science is fact; religion is not.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
      • Cedar Rapids

        Actually I have to correct you about religion created from fear of death. I would say it was originally created as part of the belief of gods which came about in a desire to explain nature, death only being one aspect.
        A lot of religions had the notion of a spirit realm which eventually became the idea of heaven in the christian tradition.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
      • impartial_oberver

        I agree. the EVIDENCe is in the faiths themselves where death is the constant point of reference. In response to John (in this thread), organized religion was government back in the day. Not until the 18th century de societies separate governance (and behaving well) from faith. So Religion had a function in pre-enlightment Europe and America. That changed when it was discovered that microbes killed, not bad deeds being punished by a deity.

        Science killed the hegemony of abusve religious stablishments. It's fascinating how 300 years later we still find a largely under-educated populace wtill entralled by this B-movie storyline of Good vs Evil. Incredible.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • GP

      How does the discovery of Higgs Boson particles disprove God?

      March 7, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
      • Jack

        That's a loaded question. There first has to be evidence of god to disprove god.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
      • FifthApe

        First god (insert your version here) needs to be proven.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
      • conrad

        Perhaps the effort to 'prove' or explain is the stumbling block itself. What does it mean to prove anything? Can anything really be defined?

        March 7, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
      • Patrick

        Now you are delving into epistemology, how we know what we know.
        Start with Descartes: I think, therefore I am.
        Go from there where you dare.

        March 7, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
  64. adsf

    One scientists compared the Higgs to discovering God one time. Give up on the God Particle garbage.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • John

      Uh oh. Scientists are using the word god.. Set you off on a rage huh? Ha ha

      March 7, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
  65. mike

    They call the Higgs the 'god particle' for a reason – it doesn't exist ;)

    March 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • ItIsToLaugh

      Prove it. ;o)

      March 7, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • adsf

      Ironically, there's more evidence for the Higgs.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
  66. Glidanic

    Creativity is built on the previously known and the accepted reality- There is something, but to put it in reality is a job for scientist hard at work. Keep working at it they will find it and then watch out.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  67. EM

    Im no phisics professor, but my guess is they will smash the worong particle someday and cause an abnomally or quantum catastrophe and wipe us all out of existance in this timespace.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Darbyrat

      Wouldn't that be considered an act of god?

      March 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
      • WhatWhatWhat?

        LOL!!!

        March 7, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • adsf

      I personally like the theory that discovery will lead to the universe's destruction, and thus the universe itself is stopping us from discovering it. I don't buy it, but its interesting.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Lee S

      You should stick to watching sports on tv.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • melvinslizard

      I certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from the bs, three ringed circus sideshow... \m/

      March 7, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • thedoctor

      Thank you for confirming your first sentence. I suggest you watch less sci-fi.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Dana

      Right, you are no physics professor. I don't seem to find ANY in this thread. How is it you are all confusing religion and science. That's like trying to explain an apple by showing me an orange. There's way too much rigid thinking going on here.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Clyde M

      I believed you weren't a physics professor from your use of the word "phisics." You didn't need to add that subsequent malarkey to prove it.

      March 7, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
  68. Bremen3011

    Scientists always bring up this Big Bang theory. Hey that is fine, it's a reasonable theory.

    However they forget to mention how the big bang started. What was it before the big bang, why did all these elements and energies exist to even create the big bang?

    March 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • guest

      The don't forget to mention it – they just have not figured it out yet.with the existing knowledge ,that is as far back as we can go.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • EvolveNow

      All mass currently in existance was at the start of the Big Bang compressed into an infintismally tiny gravitational singularity, smaller than the head of a pin. Think of it this way, if all black holes has swallowed up all matter in the Universe and then also swallowed each other until there was only one left, the resulting gravitational pull would compress all matter into an extremely small space. The engery required to keep it compressed against the natural forces of expasion would be enormous and if the balance of gravitational force verses natrual expansion were upset...a BIG BANG would occur flinging matter in all directions!

      March 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
      • tedferret

        Nice explanation

        March 7, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
      • melvinslizard

        Nice THEORY, but it's not an explanantion. It doesn't explain the concept of "creation," either. Where did this singularity come from? What was before it? What was "outside of it?" I don't disagree with your presentation, but I have to say that it creates as many questions as it answers. I enjoyed the post, tho. Keep writin' and I'll keep readin' :)

        March 7, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
      • Time Will Tell

        Well Done

        March 7, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
      • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

        The way the big bang explains the earth's formation is similar to taking a disassembled 747, putting all the parts in a big box and shaking it until out pops a perfectly built 747.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
      • Austin

        The question of what was outside of the singularity that created the universe is moot, as is the concept of what happened before the singularity. The Big Bang Theory explains that the space/time continuum was and is being created as the expansion of the universe takes place. Therefore, there was nothing outside of the singularity because space did not exist. Furthermore, since there was no time before the big bang, nothing happened before it. The human mind cannot comprehend the lack of time or space, thus our limited understanding of the big bang event.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
      • Cedar Rapids

        "Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son – The way the big bang explains the earth's formation is similar to taking a disassembled 747, putting all the parts in a big box and shaking it until out pops a perfectly built 747."

        no, not really it doesnt. For starters the big bang and earth's formation are two totally unconnected areas.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
      • geo59

        Actually from what I've seen and read, the idea is that at the time of the Big Bang, the singularity was all energy, no mass. It was too hot for the formation of mass/matter. The point of the Higgs investigation is to understand the nature of the Higgs field and the energy carrying particle (Higgs Boson) that lead to the condensation of the post Big Bang energy into matter. And, the theory is that at the level of the Higgs field, energy is constantly condensing into matter and vice versa, so the concept of "all currently existing matter" is tenuous.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
      • Boink

        My head just exploded.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • svann

      Scientists dont even really know what is at the center of a black hole, except that looking at what the math says should be there results in the math itself breaking down. Since the center of the big bang is likely the ultimate black hole they dont know much about that either.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • us1776

      If the Big Bang did exist then it is probably an oscillating cycle of big bangs that continues ad infinitum.

      .

      March 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
      • EvolveNow

        Great guess, us1776! Now what about all the cycles of civilization that man has gone through? Will achiologists some day dig beyond the stone age skeletons of our past and into past where we landed on this water soaked rock as 'aliens' who were at one point much more technoloically advanced....? Imagine the news of the find that were once an outter space traveling and planet colonizing species!

        March 7, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
      • NUMBNUT

        Evolvenow, that's how I look at life. Maybe we were planted here to start a new life. Possibly we destroyed another planet, and we're doing the same to earth. There is plenty of evidence (hieroglyphics) about space people. Why are we the only creatures on earth that need to protect itself from nature? Animals don't need clothes, houses to keep them warm from the elements. I can hear people laugh now, LOL. But really, if you think about it.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Rim

      In a Universe dealing with infinite numbers I'd say it's pretty impressive that we have it down to .000000000000000000000001 after the big bang. Trying to find where the energy came from before that may just be a fundamental problem when anyone tries to find the very beginning of anything. It's inherently an infinite process.
      The "before the big bang" question probably has it's origins in something similar to a black-hole where an area pulls in and condenses all the matter around it eventually becoming so full of energy that it explodes in a big bang type of process.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
      • EvolveNow

        You've got it!

        March 7, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • John

      Actually, theres a theory that the big bang in constantly happening, all over th place in the univers, all the time, with universes constantly being born and destroyed.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
      • "Sotia."

        Yeahhhh *glances over slightly paranoid* but we/or are in separate univi, and we need to find out how to survive and make it though to the next universe... I do recognize the theory though...........

        March 7, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • chk this

      Check out string theory for one idea (that I personally like). There are many other possible explainations in the pot.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Clyde M

      They don't "forget" to mention it. It simply isn't known yet and isn't part of the theory.

      March 7, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
  69. palintwit

    Most people don't realize that Sarah Palin University is second only to Princeton and Harvard.

    March 7, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • Jack Be Humble

      I get it... most people would calculate that to be Third! :D

      March 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Andre R. Newcomb

      They don't have stigmata. 'They' only have money. . . and Harvard and Yale are not cheap . . . and getting 'that' kind of money honestly is not possible in this country of ours. Perhaps you people might become experienced in life and the ways of God someday and be understanding of Christian Scientists. This "God particle" stuff is a dangerous road you are traveling upon . . . "he who lives by the sword will surely perish by the sword". It's more about love than your busy, busy lives will allow you to yearn for.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • fintastic

      Don't feed the troll

      March 7, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
  70. DARKMATTER

    KAPAG NAG WORKING NA YAN AT NAKA ARREST NA KAHIT MALIIT AT HINDI NA- STROKE OR EXORCIST THAT IS NOT TRUE SCIENTIST ARE LYING HINDI YAN DIYOS ONLY STATIC

    March 7, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • WhatWhatWhat?

      You know civilization is at an end when you have idiots like this with nothing better to do.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
      • DARKMATTER

        GO TO A LARGE DYNAMO AND HOLD LITTLE AMOUNT OF GAS AND PLUG IN STUDY WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU IF YOU ARE NOT CONTENTED BRING ALL YOUR FAMILY AND ETHNICS,,,THIS IS IMPORTANT WE NEED TO REDUCE OUR POPULATION

        March 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
      • DARKMATTER

        CIVILIZATION????WHY YOU DONT KNOW THIS,,,,THIS IS EASY TO EXPLAIN,,,WHERE IS THE CILISATION,,TSK,TSK,,TSK,TSK DONT INSULT THE PEOPLE IF HAVE A KNOWLEDGE

        March 7, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
      • Sam

        I think Mr. Darkmatter is very entertaining. I wonder if he does parties?

        March 7, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • phil

      Hey Dark matter,

      You are a senseless, Obama backing, idiot. !!!!

      March 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
      • Johnny

        That's funny....I thought he was a Republican.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
      • Boink

        Nope. Santorum.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • fintastic

      He's speaking in tongues......

      March 7, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
  71. Bumper

    Interesting stuff, but the scientist that named this particle was not being very humble.

    March 7, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • WhatWhatWhat?

      It was named The Go ddamn Particle until no one would publish that because of religious del usion. It's still called The Go ddamn Particle by those of us who are not hampered by those del usions, thank you.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • DARKMATTER

      THAT IS NOT A SCIENTIST ONLY ELECTRICIAN BECAUSE HE DONT KNOW WHAT IS A BLACK HOLE AND HE DONT KNOW THE EFFECT OR DAMMAGE

      March 7, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
  72. Kevin

    Why don't they name it the Obama particle – since most CNN readers believe Obama is God?

    March 7, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • palintwit

      I see that your trailer park manager is letting you play with his computer again today. Be sure to return the favor. Maybe wash his tractor or something.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
      • WTH?

        Well done Twit! One stereotype deserves another right?

        You both are bigots.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
      • monte

        nice one!

        March 7, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
      • jjgolden

        Sorry but Kevin is absolutely correct.
        CNN people believe without exception that Barak Hussein Obama is the one and only Savior of the World.
        Question; are YOU better off today than you were before he was anointed the Savior.
        Or is anyone, actually I am but it was not due to a hand out or stimulus.
        It was due to my education, my effort and and years of preparation (synonym for luck)

        March 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
      • EdR

        LOL

        March 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Observer

      Never seen ONE Obama supporter call him a "god", but MANY Republicans have. What a compliment!

      March 7, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
      • SallyLu

        Observer – So true!

        March 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
      • Chris

        John McCain started that myth with a sarcastic political ad during the campaign, FOX picked-it up as a talking point, and now anyone who believes that is what Obama supporters think are just showing their lack of intelligence.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
      • Cedar Rapids

        Thats true, the only ones I ever see deifying Obama are republicans. Its flattering and all but he is only human guys.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • IceMan

      Well, CNN writers and editors are not physicists. I assume you are not either. I think what you are is pathologically fixated on hating your Commander in Chief.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
      • palintwit

        Physicists from the prestigous Sarah Palin University have teamed up with their counterparts at Fermilab and are using the accelerator to try to find a way to de-shriek Sarah Palin's voice. It has finally occured to Sarah Palin's handlers that the American public does not like the sound of squeaky balloons, fingernails on a chalkboard, nor do they like chewing on aluminum foil.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Boink

      After you pull your finger out of your nose,
      please insert it into an electrical outlet.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
  73. Tdogg2u

    CNN isn't calling it the "God particle", the scientist involved did. CNN is just reporting the story. I actually like Insighter's "Goddess particle"! No matter the name, still fascinating and potentially significant contribution to science and progress.

    March 7, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  74. iamdeadlyserious

    Can we start requiring some kind of degree or field experience with science before allowing people to speak about it as if they have a clue?

    March 7, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Steven

      Amen to that!!!!

      March 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • Rubyleaf

      I think just requiring them to construct coherent sentences, have a working caps lock that's turned off 99% of the time and stay on subject (this isn't a religious article its about science ) would be enough. If you don't speak english don't write in english. And scientists never call it the God Particle they call it the Higgs boson. The media calls it the God Particle just to stir up the righteous and of course they take the bait every time.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
  75. Paganguy

    Alchemists, looking for funding

    March 7, 2012 at 11:51 am |
  76. CAL USA

    One of the curses of democracy is that the voices (and votes) of the uninformed rabble weigh just as much as those whose education and intellectual curiosity encourages them to seek more knowledege and a better world. I normally accept this as a small price to pay, but every once in a while I have my doubts....

    March 7, 2012 at 11:48 am |
  77. DARKMATTER

    KAPAG BINUKSAN NINYO YANG COLLIDRON AT MAY NAIISIP KAYO NA PANDADAG O PAMBAWAS KAPAG BIGLA NAGLAHO ITONG EUROPA O ASIA NATUMBOK NINYO IN MILLE SECOND PERO PERO KUNG SLOWLY MAY KULANG PA MARAMI PA ANG MAKAKALIGTAS,,,KAMI ALAM NAMIN ANG PARAAN PARA MAIWASAN ANG DARK MATTER KAYO?? UBOS KAYONG LAHAT PATI ALIEN PULBOS KAYO HINDI NINYO ALAM KUNG GAANO ANG DANGEROUS OF GOD PERO PAANO MAPAPATUNAYAN KUNG HINDI SUSUBUKAN,, KAYA LANG PAG NAGFUNCTION WALA NA???? HINDI NA PUWEDENG IBALIK PA,,HINDI MO PWEDENG SAHIN NA IKAW AY MATAPANG O MATALINO O ANAK KA NG PRESIDENTE DAHIL PULBOS KANA,,EH !! YUNG PROVES PAANO ??

    March 7, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Vince Clortho, Keymaster of Gozer

      Yes, have some.

      March 7, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Hurricune

      I dont even.... what is this...?

      March 7, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • Boo

      Quoi?

      March 7, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • fintastic

      Ooh-ee-ooh-ah-ah, ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

      March 7, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • sonic10158

      Is this written in code or jibberish?

      March 7, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
  78. VTCitizen

    For heavens sake show a little class and stop calling it the freakin' God Particle. That is just sensationalist crap that you claim to rise above CNN.

    March 7, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • joe shmid

      CNN didn't name the particle. Try reading a bit.

      March 7, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • 4sanity

      It's a great name – not least because it causes otherwise myopic religious types to sit up and listen. Sometimes they even learn something.

      March 7, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • SallyLu

      You do realize it is the scientists who call it the God Particle – not CNN??

      March 7, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Clyde M

      CNN didn't come up with the name. it is what the particle is sometimes colloquially known as, like a nickname. Don't jump down CNN's throat because that's the name that stuck.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Mpatrice

      It's called the Higgs Boson, not the God Particle.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  79. Ituri

    Aaaand cue the zealots!

    March 7, 2012 at 11:40 am |
  80. DARKMATTER

    UNTIL NOW MANY PEOPLE ARE STILL IN THE YEAR OF STONE HENGE EASY TO LIED EASY TO DESTROY BUT MANY ARE VAIN O SUPER HERO THE RESULT IS THIS STOM,,TYPHOON,,EARTHQUAKE ,,FLOOD ,,DISEASE WAR,,CRIMINALITY,,THAT IS THE EFFECT OF YOUR SCIENCE INSTEAD OF LONG BATTLE TO THE ALIEN..YOU ARE ONLY CHEAP OR EASY TO DESTROY CONTINUE YOUR EXPERIMENT IF YOU DONT WANT TO LIVE THIS PLANET

    March 7, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • Seraphim0

      You're an idiot.

      March 7, 2012 at 11:37 am |
      • DARKMATTER

        SERAPINO YOUR ANIMAL CAUSE YOU ARE IGNORED AND YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LIVE THIS PLANET THIS IS FOR THE ALLIED OF JESUS WITH ABILITY AND TALENT YOUR CREATOR ARE DROPS KNOW ALSO YOU ,,YOUR END IS VERY CLOSE ,,IMPOSSIBLE IF YOU CAN SURVIVE TO THIS DISASTER

        March 7, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Heckman

      lol

      March 7, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • MyTake

      Ahh it is call clear now ;-)

      March 7, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • VTCitizen

      Woohooo! got us a live one here.

      March 7, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • WTH?

      Do not feed the trolls.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
      • DARKMATTER

        WTH GOD SAY HE SEPERATE THE SHEEP AND GOAT HOW RUSSIAN AND USA GOVT BRING AND CHINESE AND EUROPEAN BRING TO THE OTHER PLANET IN 40 DAYS I THINK THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE ...,,,MEANS YOU WILL DIE

        March 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Incontinence Man

      Funny thing happened to me while reading this article and comments. There seemed to be a "Big Bang" in my chair and when I stood up to investigate, I found "dark matter" in my chair. Ironic when you think about it.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
      • melvinslizard

        You were expecting something different from a black hole?

        March 7, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
      • Incontinence Man

        I was. I was expecting the big bang and the newly formed dark matter to be contained to just my Depends. But it wasn't. And as a result of this out of control event, a plague of gnats, flys and other things are taking over my small part of the earth.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
      • NUMBNUT

        Then can we say you are going on a trip to Uranus to wipe out the Klingons?

        March 7, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
      • Incontinence Man

        No. I'm taking a trip to Ikea to buy a new chair. This thing is ruined.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • DARKMATTER

      I NEED TO STOP BANGING MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL
      BECAUSE I AM STARTING TO SEE DOUBLE
      AND PEEING IN MY PANTS< AND MY MUM TOLD ME
      TO STOP PICKING MY NOSE BUT I LIKE THE GREEN
      ONES AND I STUCK A PARCHEESY DICE UP MY NOSE
      AND NOW IT IS STUCK GOOD
      AAACCCKKKK

      March 7, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
  81. Calvin

    I remember on YouTube, one of the physicist says that in order a big bang to work...there must be a precise moments of collision that even a slightest micro million seconds apart, the big bang would failed. This LHC is probably that micro zillion scale smaller than of the universe and still it can get 2 protons to collide despite even contain in a tube. In short, the scientist believe that it will take a "miracle" to get higg boson...or perhaps supernatural phenomenal which they denied. Makes me wonder, 10 billions dollars of wasteful resources to answer a question that are completely useless to mankind.

    March 7, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Jensen

      You mean can't find particles. Agreed. Total b.s.

      March 7, 2012 at 11:31 am |
      • DARKMATTER

        YOU CAN FIND BUT YOU CANNOT SEE BECAUSE HAVE A LACK AND THE INSTRUMENT IS HOT

        March 7, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • I'm The Best!

      Not wasted and no miracle needed. If they can find and study this particle enough to where we can control gravity that will be a huge leap forward in technological possibilities. And why would anyone need a miracle in science. It all based on facts?

      March 7, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • MyTake

      Ahh, It seems you are another know-nothing religious zealot who thinks he can provide a gottcha question to the world of science ... very amusing.

      March 7, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • WTH?

      Remember some of the best discoveries were made from failed experiments. Penicillin comes to mind first off, then there is the microwave and teflon... Perhaps not the same exact thing, but many discoveries come from failure or by accident.
      The worst thing we could do would be not to try!

      March 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • Clyde M

      Oh, well, if you saw it on YouTube...

      March 7, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  82. Ladybird

    Make everybody happy and politically correct: "The diety or dieties of your choice or your refutation of aforementioned diety or dieties" particle. OK- Maybe not. "God particle" is used because it stirs more interest in the average reader than "Higgs boson". Whatever you want to call it, it's exciting news for this physics fancier!

    March 7, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      Amen to that. I'm really excited to hear what the LHC finds this year in its testing.

      March 7, 2012 at 11:29 am |
  83. DARKMATTER

    COLLIDRONE IS TO CREATE AN ELECTROMAGNETIC GOD IS A TYPE OF POSITIVE MAGNET OR MAGNET WITHOUT MASS OR MATTER OR GROUND THIS IS EMPTY OR NOTHING OR TRANPARENT BUT THIS IS ALIVE HAVE AN INTILLIGENT ABILITY THAT WE USED IT NOW THATS WHY OUR ORGAN IS MOVING,,,,YOU WILL ARREST THE GOD BUT YOU CANNOT CREATE AND THAT IS NOT A MACHINE THAT IS WRONG AND TO SEE THE IMAGE OF THE GOD AFTER YOU ARRESTING YOU NEED TO ADD A>>>>>> TO SEE WHAT IS THE DESIGN,,,AND YOU DONT NEED MANY EXPERIMENT AND WASTING MUCH MONEY THIS IS EASY,,,,,,,,LOOK AT THE SUN THAT IS THE GOD THE AURORA...ALL THE PLANET THE HEAT OF YOUR BLOOD YOU PEOPLE ,,ANIMAL TREES ,,..INSECT,,,STONE THE FOOD WE EAT FISH THAT IS THE SEPARETED BODY OF THE GOD WITH MATTER THIS MATTER ARE DUST CONVERT INTO LIQUID ADD GOD OR GRAVITY PLUS //////// AND////// BACTERIA OR LIFE ,,,,,WHAT KIND OF IMAGE OF THE GOD ARE YOU NEED .. TO MAKE IT CLEAR READ THE BIBLE BECAUSE ALL I READ TO THE WALL ARE ALSO WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE IF YOU USED THE SCIENCE BOOK MANY ARE WRONG YOU CAN HELP THAT BOOK BUT CANT PERFECT MANY ARE ONLY CALCULATION NO EXACT ANSWER,,THIS PEOPLE ARE EASY TO LIEYING ALIEN ARE VERY TALENTED AN ORDINARY SCIENTIST CANNOT TIE THIS ANIMAL IF THE 1 SCIENTIST CAN COLLECT MORE LIGHT TO HER BODY I BELIVE HE IS RIGHT BUT FOR THIS COMMENTOR THIS ONLY A VIRUS TO THE BRAIN DONT WASTE A MONEY TO THAT MACHINE TO ANTI NEUCLAR YES YOU CAN USE THAT IS HAVE A SERVE ,,,,YOU KNOW IF YOU DISCOVERED THE MACHINE HOW TO ARREST THE GRAVITY AFTER ARRESTING WE WILL GONE IN MILLE MILLE SECOND,, THAT IS A DREAM OF HIGG BOSSON THATS WHY HE IS VERY INTERESTED TO HER MACHINE BUT DONT DESTROY THAT MACHINE BECAUSE THAT HAVE A SERVE AS A BARBECUE OR OVEN OF KEBAF,,, AND DONT ABBANDONNED THAT IS DANGEROUS TO ROMANIAN BECAUSE OF THE COOPER,,

    March 7, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Wobbles

      Do you have any notion of the CAPS-LOCK? Also, a coherent sentence or three wrapped in a concise paragraph would be nice. Otherwise, most folks will simply by-pass your post in favor of one that is readable.

      March 7, 2012 at 11:52 am |
      • Steven

        yep...bypassed

        March 7, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
      • DARKMATTER

        USE LESS YOUR LOPTOP IF YOU ARE DIED WE HAVE A SHORT TIME NOW CAUSE I CANT HELP YOU BECAUSE OF THE BAD MOUTH USED YOUR BRAIN TO SURVIVE THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR STORY DONT BILIEVE TO THE SCIENTIST,,,BELIEVE TO YOUR TALENT IF YOU WANT TO SURVIVE

        March 7, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
      • Doozer

        I warned him about the brown acid.
        He wouldnt listen.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • Anonymous

      You're comments are causing a lolocaust. Keep it up!

      March 7, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
      • Nostromo45

        I think he is some kind of high-class civil servant in the Phillipines........

        poor country....

        March 7, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      wow, they let you use a computer in the nut house huh?

      March 7, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  84. Tanner Lloyd

    STOP CALLING IT THE GOD PARTICLE!!!!

    March 7, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Rich

      Why?

      March 7, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Doozer

      The Satan Particle.
      Feel better ?

      March 7, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
  85. Theo

    For you nit-wits that keep saying to stop calling it the God particle.I ask why? If you find the particle that explains the origin of all mass in the universe isn't that God? You sound just like the Vatican condemning early physicists just because they explained God better than any other religion. If you think God can not be found through science then you may be right but I highly doubt it because you can't create something without existing yourself. Physics is just a more advanced form of all religion. They are looking for god just like everyone else and just because their bible is in a different language than yours doesn't mean they won't find him.

    March 7, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • TheDukeOfHighwayJ

      The name something is given actually tells you nothing about it. That is the nature of science and reality (thank you Dr Feynman) but most people dont grap that. They should; it clarifies things considerabbly.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Darbyrat

      Well said.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • TheDukeOfHighwayJ

      "If you find the particle that explains the origin of all mass in the universe isn't that God?"
      No. The electron is essentially the source for all light in the universe. Why isnt THAT god?

      March 7, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
      • Theo

        Because electrons have mass. We have mass. God created light therefor he created electrons.

        March 7, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I don't see why people are getting upset at this particle being called the "god particle". People can say what they will about my God, God is The Creator and can take care of himself. God does not need me to defend him, God needs me to do what Jesus has commanded. Love God and Love others.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Clyde M

      "If you find the particle that explains the origin of all mass in the universe isn't that God?"

      No. God is usually taken to mean a sentient, intentional being. It has nothing to do with the origin of mass. And why is the "origin of mass" considered god-worthy and not, say, the origin of charge?

      It's a tongue-in-cheek nickname for the particle. It is what it is. People need to just get over themselves.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  86. joe

    There's no god particle, only money particle these clowns are after. I say cut their funding and put the fear of God into them.

    March 7, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      There is in fact a higgs particle according to theories based off of what we know of particle physics. Finding it is the next big step in physics. They need as much funding as possible to find this.

      March 7, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • Calvin

      Totally agree with you. People just want to go proving everything including life on Mars...

      March 7, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • MyTake

      They are providing a better understanding of how the universe works. Funny those with no education in the subject tend to be the biggest detractors.

      March 7, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Jessy

      Here's a thought. What if the 'God' particle that you so genuinely claim doesn't exist actually proves the existence of God itself? Has that ever crossed your mind?

      March 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      They get funding regardless, what money do you think these guys are after? hate to break it to you but scientists dont exactly go into their field to become rich.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
  87. Cat MacLeod

    Refund the Fermilab on the proviso that this particle not be referred to as the "God particle" so as to keep the double digit IQ nitwits from blathering.

    March 7, 2012 at 10:40 am |
  88. thatguythere

    Should be called the holy grail particle by the media. Tthe origin of "God particle" comes from a scientist discussing its importance, he said something similar to "it's as important for physicists to see this particle, as a religious man seeing God"

    March 7, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • chicago7

      I think it's because the origin of mass is thought to be only possible through miracle, or God. Scientist's are trying to basically "map" the origins of the universe and demonstrate that it all happened through completely natural, explainable means. No god necessary to have struck the "match" so to speak. Of course none of that actually refutes the existence of a supreme being, so I don't see what all the existential angst is all about.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
  89. Light

    Interesting...the Bible says "The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament showeth his handiwork." Psalm 19:1. The Bible also says "God is a Spirit" John 4:24. Well then...., are they trying to find God's particle, meaning the smallest particle of mass in the Universe? They will never find it because God is not mass, He is a Spirit. Maybe Ghostbusters will help!! (its a joke). My personal opinion is that God gave scientist the knowledge to discover what He created, and let them go as far as to the point where they have to acknowledge His existence and His role of saying the Word, the Word being the force, the authority that make all those tiny particles to obey and get together in that party and form all the components of this unique and awsome world. The scientists has had the important role of revealing to the world how those particles form components that are perfectly synchronized to work and to accomplish the function it was meant to. What really needs to happen is that they declare that the origin of everything was not the smallest of smallest particle, but the biggest and Superior authority that made them conform and obey to the purpose of whom created them. Only one Supreme Being could have had synchonized every known activity in the world, to work so perfectly.

    March 7, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      Your lack of understanding of the physical world astounds me... Lack of any knowledge of particle physics I can almost understand just because you have read the bible and actually believe it.

      March 7, 2012 at 10:01 am |
      • Calvin

        I know. Lets call it the "Chicken Soup Particles for the souless atheist" Has a nice ring to it....

        March 7, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Tom

      Gibberish gibberish.... It's the Zeus particle!

      March 7, 2012 at 10:03 am |
      • RZ70

        Jupiter, you Greek dog!!!

        March 7, 2012 at 10:45 am |
      • Christian Mildh

        I am all in with Thor...you nihilists...

        March 7, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • ania

      The bible also says that it use to stone ppl to death for various reasons.

      March 7, 2012 at 10:46 am |
      • ChaoticDreams

        On a regular and law-abiding basis, too.

        March 7, 2012 at 10:50 am |
      • Hilee Contagious

        Yes. Stoning to death someone, that is proof of what? No God. Like capital punishment? Like war? Like murder. Like suicide? Like accidents? Like disease? All proof there is no God? After all, all of these are in the Bible. And guess what? They are all in the world. The Bible talks about how it really is, an approach that science tries to emulate.
        Stoning was an OT punishment for certain crimes. Is the idea of crime and punishment proof of no God? Is stoning so much different than shooting, hanging, injection, gas, drowning,,,?
        Let the Higgs particle be found. I guarantee it will only open up further funding opportunities.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • ChaoticDreams

      the higgs boson is actually one of the biggest particles estimated to exist, not that small just really hard to break off from the space-time fabric. second, the particle itself doesn't give other particles mass, the field it creates does. read a book that wasn't written by desert nomads 4000 years ago and you might learn something.

      March 7, 2012 at 10:49 am |
      • TheMagusNYC

        The is no comparison between the wisdom of the ages and the discoveries of science, each having its domain within human existence. As they say, the specialist is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing, and that is not at all a criticism in this context.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Rich

      I can't say I object to the term "god particle" as long as it is a small "g". There is no god as defined by religious folks, but there is a "god" of some sort that created this universe – maybe. I don't think it was a person in the god sense, just physics. Regardless, if it were something like "god" then it is so advanced that there's no way for there to be a relationship between it and us, when's the last time you considered your relationship with the rock in your yard. The "god" particle will shed a lot of light on how the universe works. Knowledge at this level can lead to true interstellar travel, supremely prolonged life perhaps and a host of other things we don't understand.
      Picture yourself on this planet, galaxy, universe and realize you are not even a pimple, none of us are. Let the research continue as knowledge is the only remarkable thing to be gained from our short lives.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
      • Soon The Fog Will Clear

        One day, an earth primate looked up and saw a heavenly craft land in a field.
        The beings from this craft altered the DNA from this primate, and "Man" was created.
        Man, not understanding what these beings are, created "God" to explain them.
        Man, is still very primitive.
        One step at at time, my fellow earthlings.

        March 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Ricky Bobby

      Interesting.... Green Eggs and Ham says he will not eat them in a boat.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Jessy

      Even the spiritual realm has to have some form of its own physics in order to exist. It would explain how the spirit is able to interact with the physical universe.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Darren Malin

      You are insane. Please take you god rubbish and go away . This is real science.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • sunshine

      Finally someone who makes sense here!!

      March 7, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • fintastic

      How come whenever I read "...the Bible says", a load of crap immediately follows?

      March 7, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
  90. Abbie

    This article makes little sense. The US lab (which is shut down because of old age and lack of funding) is still analyzing some of it`s older result and then says: The LCH, "did not deliver proof of the existence of the Higgs boson, either". While we all know the LHC is in the middle of it`s massive research and constantly colliding particles.

    That`s like writing an Article about how the New York Yankees did not win the World Series while in the Middle of the Final Match. This seems just badmouthing from some scientists at this lab who know they don`t have anything to offer anymore. And who have seen so many of their Physicist leaving for Europe over the past years.

    Just take it lake a man instead of this mumbo jumbo and badmouthing.

    March 7, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • elandau

      Hi Abbie, while it's true that Tevatron is not still running, it has taken the scientists this long to go through all of the data from its final period of operation. And they are still looking at what it all means and may be able to improve that analysis even further, as Rob Roser told us. It's a stronger result when two independent machines (i.e. Tevatron and the LHC) come up with data consistent with each other. So, while the LHC is much more powerful, Tevatron's insights are also important.

      Thanks for reading!
      Elizabeth Landau
      CNN.com

      March 7, 2012 at 10:28 am |
      • I'm The Best!

        I think abbie's whole point was with the wording of the quote.
        "did not deliver proof..." is wrong because they're still looking. "has not yet delivered proof..." is a little better way of wording it.

        I may have that all wrong but that's how I took Abbie's comment.

        March 7, 2012 at 10:38 am |
  91. simple simon

    Photons have zero mass at rest state. Yet they have a measurable momentum,
    which necessitates mass. It appears that velocity itself bestows mass to photons.
    That sounds like an origin of mass. Why don't they consider that?

    March 7, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • Lightspeed

      A photon by it's very nature can never be at rest, it can only come to a stop and transfer it's energy to what ever it hits. No one has ever and can never measure a photon at rest.

      March 7, 2012 at 10:11 am |
      • definitions matter

        c, the speed of light, is a constant. Photos do not "stop". They may change frequency or wavelength as they pass through materials of different density or may be reflected or refracted but they certainly do not "stop".

        March 7, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • geo59

      Photons are massless. Further, it's been shown repeatedly that photons have both a particle existence (when they react with consciousness) and a wave existence. So the particulate state is a function of light's interaction with consciousness, a form of energy that, to date has not been studied by modern physics. Given that the speed of light (C) is constant, and that the so called photon experiences no passage of time (Einstein), it follows that light cannot experience distance either (speed = distance/time, distance = speed x time), hence we have photon entanglement and the explanation for why C is constant and maximal with respect to energetic state (E=MC^2).

      March 7, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
  92. Intelligence

    Did they really find traces, or do they just need funding? I'm all for giving them funding, I'm just wondering.

    March 7, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      Well the American one is closed down anyway now and the LHC gets plenty of funding.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
  93. I'm The Best!

    This is awesome. I can't wait to hear when they finally find the higgs for sure!

    March 7, 2012 at 8:52 am |
  94. Hosain

    Quit calling God Prticle

    March 7, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • ZZZ

      Okay. We can call it the "Allah" particle.

      March 7, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • Intelligence

      THANK YOU!

      March 7, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • Iter

      Agreed, "god particle" is just nonsense... Call it what it is, Higgs!!

      March 7, 2012 at 10:00 am |
  95. cocopuf

    They are running out of names that make more sense. That is why we have not only Quarks, but also different color quarks. To top things off, some particles behave differently depending on whether you look at them or not. Everything seems strange but one thing is certain, and that is all particles seem to be interconnected all over the universe. When one particle moves, it seems that every other particle knows what the other one is doing all over space.

    March 7, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • Ashley

      Nope, that would violate the Heisenberg principals...

      March 7, 2012 at 8:16 am |
      • Jay

        There's a way where it wouldn't violate Heisenburg's principle: If as time goes, each particle moves in all possible directions it can go - pretty much like an infinite branching sequence. At a quantum level, the particles "know" of each other by interacting with each other across different branches. As an observer, you only experience one of these branches though, so you only see one outcome.

        I think this explains the uncertainty principle and the two-slit photon experiment. With the former, when you observe a particle's exact location, by virtue you are measuring it, you are going through a particular branch and therefore deciding the outcome in a way. But in other branches, you would be measuring it at a different location, all constrained by the probability of the particle being in those locations. So, in other words, if I measure a particle, across all branches, 80% of the branches, I'll find the location here, 10% of the time I'll find it there, and 1% of the time I'll find it over there (it would probably be more of a continuum of probability, but just saying this to illustrate).

        And for the latter, we know that if we shoot photons one-at-a-time through the different slits, that we will see an interference pattern as if photons were going through both slits at the same time. I think the only way this could be is that the photons are interacting with each other across these different branches. We observe the sum of these interactions since they are going across the branches and interacting with each other.

        March 7, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
      • "Sotia- Backwards in the tunnel, making distance"

        Ashley, Jay is onto something INTEGRAL and amazing. If you want to simplify it, try imagining that it's half right (not sure yet)*91%* ?... As for the Heisenberg principals, I haven't read them *though I would need to!*, but perhaps they NEED to be revised.

        March 7, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • geo59

      (Re-posted as an additional reply to current comment.)
      Photons are massless. Further, it's been shown repeatedly that photons have both a particle existence (when they react with consciousness) and a wave existence. So the particulate state is a function of light's interaction with consciousness, a form of energy that, to date has not been studied by modern physics. Given that the speed of light (C) is constant, and that the so called photon experiences no passage of time (Einstein), it follows that light cannot experience distance either (speed = distance/time, distance = speed x time), hence we have photon entanglement and the explanation for why C is constant and maximal with respect to energetic state (E=MC^2).

      March 7, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
      • "Sotia."

        Read the following carefully:

        Matter at the speed of Light is : energy

        If there is matter, than what about matter which does not give Light? How can it be argued at a speed that does not exist at such speeds?

        March 7, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
  96. Eurotech

    Since God is irrelavant, so is his particle. Unless ......

    The Higgs boson turns out to be an unlimited source of clean energy, that will save the planet and human kind.

    March 7, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • Ashley

      you could try reading the article at least

      March 7, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • RS

      You athiests are truly dumb (at most times). Just because it is called the "God particle" doesn't mean it has ANY thing to do with religion. LOL!

      March 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
  97. akka69

    The LHC was designed to find and measure the Higgs Boson.
    It's a little bit like hunting for a particular fox.
    If Tevatron can at most locate the fox within a forrest radius, the LHC is designed locate the very bush where the feral is hiding.

    So far it has narrowed the search within few acres around the target and will need working until the end of 2012 to narrow it further.

    March 7, 2012 at 7:41 am |
  98. Insighter

    Yes exactly, we demand the name be changed to 'Goddess Particle' immediately.

    March 7, 2012 at 7:41 am |
    • Doozer

      I'm with her.

      March 7, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • "Sotia."

      Insighter,

      how deep do we need to go...? I've been plummeting for Years now.

      I'm getting frustrated at the insatiability I force at myself, just how much farther, that's all.

      March 9, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
  99. Jennifer

    This should say Scientist baffled at the media's misuse of the term "god particle", Scientists asks media to stop misleading sensationalism...

    March 7, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • sage

      "god" is the heartbeat heard from inside the Womb.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  100. Alex

    Please, quit calling it the "God particle." You're overblowing its importance.

    March 7, 2012 at 7:20 am |
    • marat

      Not at all...YOU are narrowly UNDERESTIMATING its importance. The entire history of science is filled with discoveries that may initially have been theoretical but have turned out to not only have huge, huge applications for us. Many of these have created entirely NEW fields of science. That is the STRENGTH of science, not its weakness. It is really about one overriding thing–the quest to Know Reality itself.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Paul

      Perhaps you're underblowing its importance. You should try blowing more.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • macphile

      @marat: No matter how important the Higgs is, if it exists, it's arguably never going to be as important as the being who created the universe. I mean, duh. That's kind of the max right there. The thing could fundamentally change life on earth or get you a pizza in less than 15 minutes, but that still doesn't make it the most important thing to ever exist in any possible dimension or world. I mean, let's get a *little* perspective.

      March 7, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
      • Mike in Nj

        You're right. The Flying Spaghetti Monster must be respected for his great, kind, noodly goodness. And we must respect the pirate tradition in which we honor him, his universal power and omniscience, and the tasty way he goes with meatballs and a little grated cheese on top . May his noodly appendage touch your life in the Pastafarian tradition. RAmen!

        March 7, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
      • Haxor

        @Mike in Nj

        Spaghetti Monster!!??? NO, you must mean the Leprechaun King. The almighty Leprechaun King, who protects us all

        March 7, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
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