By Nana Karikari-apau, CNN
Editor's note: The Science Seat is a feature in which CNN Light Years sits down with movers and shakers from many different areas of scientific exploration. This is the first installment.
Jason Kalirai is the deputy project scientist for the James Webb Space Telescope, which will be NASA's next big mission in astrophysics. He works at the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore.
Last month, Kalirai, 34, won the American Astronomical Society's Newton Lacy Pierce Prize for his achievements in observational astronomy. CNN Light Years recently spoke with him about his work. Below is an edited transcript.
CNN: What inspired you to pursue a degree in science?
Jason Kalirai: As far back as I can remember, I was curious about the way things work. I’m sure I got this trait from my father, whom my friends actually nicknamed “MacGyver” when we were growing up. He enjoyed questioning how things operate and then trying to solve everyday problems through experimentation.
When I was in elementary school, I was fascinated by the night sky, and I wanted to understand the scale of the universe – how big it was, how separated the stars were, what else was out there? I started reading books about the Milky Way galaxy and the universe, put posters of our solar neighborhood in my room and kept asking the question “why.” Science not only provided me with the answers to these grand questions, but it opened up new mysteries that I was motivated to learn about.
CNN: What are five steps through which an astronomer solves a problem?
Kalirai: Astronomical research has many components to it. Astronomers are well-rounded and excel at problem-solving, data acquisition and analysis, writing reports and presenting results. Solving a single problem can take many years through this cycle:
In the first step of the process, astronomers design an experiment to solve a particular problem that they are interested in. Usually, this involves writing a proposal to use a telescope to gain new insights on the universe.
Next, astronomers obtain the observations. For ground-based astronomy, this typically means traveling to a mountaintop and collecting data, whereas for space-based observations the data are sent directly to the astronomer.
Scientists then analyze the observations using powerful computers, usually in their own offices. They also spend time writing computer programs to aid in the analysis. New discoveries are rare, so it takes very careful attention to details in the data.
Astronomers publish (their) results in peer-reviewed journals, so they have to write detailed reports of all of their findings. These reports are judged by other astronomers to make sure they are based on sound principles.
Finally, astronomers present their findings to the science community through domestic and international meetings.
CNN: What kind of astronomer do you consider yourself?
Kalirai: My focus is on observational astronomy, and I’m particularly passionate about using telescopes to push beyond the limits of what we’ve already seen. I try to discover new population of stars in our Milky Way galaxy and try to reveal new parts of galaxies in the nearby universe. Whenever I can get access to a new capability or technology in astronomy (e.g., a more sensitive camera), I like to take that tool and apply it to the kind of science problems that I most enjoy working on.
CNN: Why do you focus on star clusters?
Kalirai: Star clusters are one of the universe’s most remarkable environments. In a small region of space that is not too much larger than the distance between the sun and the nearest few stars to the sun, a cluster contains thousands of stars. These stars share incredible similarities, all having formed at the same time millions of years ago and with the same chemistry. The only difference between the individual stars is their mass, and mass happens to be the primary factor that controls how stars evolve (e.g., how long they live for, how bright they become and how they die).
So, observations of each individual star cluster give us a snapshot of how stellar evolution has shaped a population with that age, and we can complete a picture of stellar evolution by observing many clusters with different ages. As a result, star clusters anchor much of our knowledge of the universe.
CNN: How exactly do stars evolve over time?
Kalirai: We are used to thinking of the stars as fixed points in the night sky, but they actually go through a life cycle, just like humans. Newborn stars are very active and energetic, kind of like my twins. Stars in their middle years are kind of boring (dare I say, like our parents), and can spend billions of years not doing much other than converting hydrogen into helium. Toward the end of their lives, stars become “cool” again, kind of like grandparents are “cool.” The lifetimes of stars are so much longer than human lifetimes that we see them as being fixed over generations. But they all evolve from stellar birth to stellar death.
CNN: What is the main goal of your research program?
Kalirai: The main goal of my research is to understand the details of how stars like our sun, including those that are a little more and a little less massive, change over time. For billions of years, these stars will remain at the same brightness and temperature. This is great for humans on Earth since it gives us a stable climate. After the hydrogen in the sun is exhausted, the sun will become a stellar cinder and simply cool over time. We call this state, the end state of 98% of all stars, white dwarfs.
All of the action in stellar evolution occurs between these two phases, when, over a relatively short time scale, stars swell up into “giants” and spill their outer materials into space. The detailed understanding of this process, of how stars dramatically change, is fundamentally important to many research areas in astronomy. After all, the light that we see from distant galaxies is really just millions of individual stars at the tip of their luminous evolution.
CNN: If the sun will experience this dramatic change, what is the fate of our planet Earth?
Kalirai: The Earth is orbiting the sun at a distance of about 90 million miles. When the sun runs out of hydrogen in its core, it will begin burning hydrogen in a shell around the core and become very luminous and bloated. The outer layers of the sun will actually reach the Earth, and so the oceans will evaporate and our planet will be fried. Sorry! Fortunately for us, this won’t happen for several billions of years.
Based on my research on “stellar mass loss,” the sun itself will lose about 45% of its mass through this process. The remaining mass, the core of the sun, will be the white dwarf. Interestingly, the size of that core will only be a little larger than the Earth, so the remnant star will be very dense.
CNN: What telescopes do you use to study the stars?
Kalirai: I enjoy using the Keck telescopes on Mauna Kea in Hawaii. Over the past seven years, I’ve traveled to Hawaii to collect data from these telescopes more than a dozen times. The Keck telescopes are two of the biggest optical telescopes we have on Earth. The mirrors stretch over 30 feet across and the building itself is bigger than a house.
The site of the telescopes is also beautiful. Mauna Kea is a dormant volcano, and the telescopes sit at the peak, at the distance of 13,000 feet. It's a harsh environment to observe from since there is about 40% less oxygen at that altitude than sea level.
CNN: You recently received an award from the American Astronomical Society called the 2013 Newton Lacy Pierce Prize. What does it mean to your career, and how does it affect your future endeavors?
Kalirai: The Pierce Prize is the biggest honor that I’ve received in my life. I am very passionate about astronomy and work very hard, so receiving the Pierce Prize tells me that the rest of the astronomy community values my contributions. This means a lot to me and will motivate me to work even harder in the future.
CNN: What do you see as the major achievement of the Hubble Space Telescope so far and its most important discoveries?
Kalirai: Actually, I think its best years are ahead of it. It's amazing when a scientific tool can rewrite a textbook, but Hubble has managed to do it countless times. In 2009, astronauts serviced Hubble and put two new cameras on the telescope. These instruments are functioning fantastically, and the demand for Hubble observations by the astronomical community is the highest that it's ever been. I have absolutely no doubt that Hubble will continue to amaze us with new discoveries about the universe.
CNN: You also spend a significant part of your time working on the James Webb Space Telescope, the successor to Hubble. Tell us about this fascinating project?
Kalirai: The James Webb Space Telescope is one of the most ambitious scientific projects that humans have ever undertaken. NASA has partnered up with the European and Canadian space agencies to build an unprecedented telescope, one that is the size of a tennis court and will launch 1 million miles away from Earth. (Hubble orbits at 350 miles.)
Webb, as we call it, will be 100 times more powerful than any other telescope we’ve made, and is designed to revolutionize our understanding of the universe. It will seek the first stars and galaxies that formed in the universe, solve mysteries on how stars and planets form and look for water in the atmosphere of other worlds. I can’t wait to use it.
CNN: What are the most rewarding things about being a scientist?
Kalirai: Professionally, it's the fact that there is continuous satisfaction in expanding our knowledge of the universe. There are countless mysteries about the universe that we presently don’t understand, and it's amazing to be a part of the process that will yield answers to these questions.
Personally, it's very rewarding to see young people becoming curious about the way things work. I spend one day every month doing public outreach, where I visit science centers, planetariums, classrooms and other venues to communicate science. As I get kids excited about the STEM fields (science, technology, engineering and mathematics), I always try to leave a little nugget of information untold. It's extremely rewarding to get the phone call or e-mail afterward when you realize that you’ve sparked their interest in science.
To see what scientific thoughts are on Kalirai's mind today, you can follow him on Twitter at @JasonKalirai. Information about his research is also available on his Web page, www.jasonkalirai.com.
So, if the sun for billions of years is going to be stable, and that pretty much holds true for most stars, what is the point and how much of my tax dollars is going into this. This guy needs to find a real job.
Sorry for the long reply. Please edify yourself on the two summaries below. Either way u look at it, especially summary number 2, somehow and sometime soon the Sun will cause some damage to earth, no bones about it. Plus, you gotta remember our country does not dedicate funds for critical research in this field and as such, we still don't know a lot about space. But suffice it to say, without any other theories (such as planet alignment, pole shifting, environmental damage to Earth, etc.) taken into consideration, as of late there have been many large solar storms taking place on the sun. There have been numerous Coronal Flares that accompany these storms as well. Already, we have experienced cell phone outages, major electrical outages in the country and – MAJOR STRANGE WEATHER EVENTS. You cannot argue with that. In closing here, but read the summaries below, thiis speaker accomplished what he set out to do. Create awareness, controversy, worry, etc. as well as he effectively stuck a thorn in our side about STEM education and the need for us to educate our children and us as well. So kudos to him for getting his point across. Now for all you doubters...........and remember this is only with the technology we now have, which is not much, read on.
One popular theory is that a huge solar flare could do the Earth in. Some fearmongers have pointed out that the sun's activity is ramping up, implying that a killer outburst could be coming next year. [Worst Solar Storms in History]
The sun is indeed building up toward the peak of its 11-year activity cycle. But that peak is expected to come in 2013 or 2014, not 2012, researchers said. Also, countless solar maxima have come and gone over the years, and we — and the Earth — are still here.
But that reasoning is all secondary to the main point, which is that a flare's sizzling heat cannot make it all the way to our planet, researchers said.
Space weather still an issue
The sun's rumblings can and do affect our planet, of course. Flares, for example, can temporarily alter Earth's upper atmosphere, causing disruptions in satellite communications.
And coronal mass ejections (CMEs) — huge eruptions of solar plasma that streak into space at 3 million mph (5 million kph) or more — can be even more troublesome. CMEs that hit Earth can knock out GPS signals, radio communications and power grids.
A powerful, well-aimed CME could thus wreak serious havoc on our increasingly tech-enabled and tech-dependent society. But it wouldn't destroy the planet or wipe out humanity, researchers said. – NOW READ THIS...
I have never read the book or saw the movie about the galatic alignment/conjunction but the science is sound. Based on where planet earth lies in this galatic conjunction I am concerned with the effects of cosmic weather. A sizable solar flare or related cosmic weather could produce Electromagnetic pulses that could render all electronics and technology useless. Imagine waking up one day late for work. You discover your clock doesn’t work. You turn on the television and nothing happens . You check your celephone, Blackberry or tablet to see what time it is. Giving up you attempt to bathe and find there is no hot water. You head out the door get into you car and it does nothing when you turn the key. No this is not the end of the world but maybe after that December morning in 2012 all of will wish it was. The scary part is that none of us will be prepared. Because of cognitive dissonance mankind will bury his head in the sand because such a possibility is too painful to phantom. Unlike the new millenium computer (marketing) hoax cosmic weather is a reality and is even more probable due to the compromise of our ozone layer. I beleive it is time to prepare. Bring back morse code. Teach our children how to make clean water and to live independently without gadgets. Their very lives just might depend on it.
“No Tech dependence” is something all peoples of earth should pursue. Even without the galatic alignment/conjunction we must be prepared to live in a world without technology. And 2012 is as good an excuse as any.
okay, thank you jimmy for that fine report. cindy, it's your turn to tell us about the flesh sucking plants you and your family brought back from your trip to africa. sit down boys and girls, here we go.
LOL. Maybe we should try taxes a la carte? When you fill out your 1040, you get to specify what line items you want to support?
Actually, the sun won't fry the earth, because GOD won't let it.
Oh Puckles, You're such a schmuck.
Why is he a schmuck? This the best scientific estimate we have. Earth will be fried and everything on it dead. You don't have to worry about it because it's billions of years in the future. How convenient for you to not change your thinking about things and to make fun of those who are currently studying this end-all outcome. I guess your God just planned it that way fro the get-go, right?
Your God already "let" several holes get burned into the atmosphere by the irresponsible use of DDTs and other chemicals during the big bonanzas of the 40s and 50s. Similarly, your God won't do anything to stop the sun from running its natural lifecycle as a regular star...bloating to an enormous size (compared to today) before finally shrinking into itself.
But, given the lifecycle of religions, by the time the sun actually does so...Christianity will be as curious a fable as the gods of Olympus and the legends of Odin are today. Humanity will be long gone, in either case. Exterminated by our own doing, evolved into something different, or having left the planet outright to find resources elsewhere like the parasitic worms we are.
I was just thinking that the planet will be lucky to survive long enough to see it's natural death from the expansion of its dying Sun. Humans will probably murder the planet long before that time comes, unfortunately.
The planet will be fine, it's been through worse things than we're capable of producing. Human beings though? We're done.
man won't be around a million years from now. my bet is on something he does to himself.
Tallus, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Truly, you are a dope.
"Won't be water, but fire next time!"
A god that allows evil surely would. Hey, in the bible God killed more people than Satan did.
Luckily we have developed morals in spite of religion.
People just do not understand sarcasm anymore hahah
Frying the earth is part of God's plan.
Th earth will never "fry". Why ? Because our Creator, Jehovah God, has established it forever. At Isaiah 45, it says: "For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: "I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."(Isa 45:18) In addition, at Psalms 104, it says that God "has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever."(Ps 104:5)
The wrong view of the earth being "burned up" comes from 2 Peter 3:10 that is presented in many Bibles. However, upon a critical examination, it has been found to have been tampered with, with the original (and correct) reading being as the "earth and the works in it will be discovered" (reading of the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus of the 4th century) and not "burned up". Someone after the 4th century supplanted the Greek word heurethesetai (meaning "to find or discover") with the Greek word katakaesetai (meaning "to burn down") at 2 Peter 3:10 in later Greek manuscripts.
God has purposed for the earth to remain eternally, and be transformed into a paradise for "meek" ones. Thus, Psalms 37 says: "But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace....forever."(Ps 37:11, 29; Matt 5:5) This has always been God's purpose, having placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and extend its boundary to the ends of the earth as their family increased.(Gen 1:28)
I thank god every day for protecting my genitals.
You never made it to Sunday-school did you?
This has been known for a few decades.
Not by most Americans. They think Christ is coming back.
Only Americans? I think you meant to say Christians, think God is coming back to earth in human form. Maybe He is, only God knows for sure. All any human being knows is that they will die one day. After that?............??
Yes. There is a lot of ignorance in this country. Some people still think that people were created with a magical rib.
Never mind the expansion of the sun before it becomes a white dwarf. Before that happens, the Andromeda galaxy will collide with the Milky Way galaxy (~.25 billion years). After that, the sun will heat up enough that the earth will no longer be in the habitable/"goldilocks" zone of the earth (~ 1 billion years). Given the assumed date that Mars lost its atmosphere, and that the Earth has 3 times the volume, the core of the earth will freeze up in about 3 billion years, the Earth's magnetic field will disappear completely and the solar wind will strip away the atmosphere. THEN, at about 5 billion years, the sun will expand, engulf the earth and become a white dwarf. In the much shorter term, we need to be worried about geomagnetic reversal.
Pole Reversals have happened many times in the Earth's history, besides some more skin Cancers, maybe some burned out electronics, but we will survive it.
..Meh i will be dead long before this stuff matters :-p
Nope. The Milky Way won't collide with Andromeda for about 4 billion years.
And galactic "collisions" are not really the cataclysmic event that the word would lead you to believe. Galaxies are mostly empty space; it's more like a slow, gentle merging.
As mass from the sun is blown beyond the earth's orbit, the earth's orbit will expand. So how much of a red giant sun engulfs the earth will have to be calculated based on this factor also. The oceans still dry up. (By the way, if you want to make a scale model of the oceans, take a volleyball and cover 70 percent of its surface will one layer of magazine paper. That's a one inch to 1000 miles scale, so 0.002 inches thick paper represents 2 mile deep oceans pretty closely. I.e., we have a slightly damp sphere to live on).
Funny it's been predicted 1.400 years ago:
And the Sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Surah Ya Sin, 38)
http:/ /www. miraclesofthequran. com/ scientific_110.html
Uh, right, that's really clear.
The sun doesn't run. The sun does not have a resting place. Whoever said that didn't even realize that the earth is NOT flat. The author must have had a STD without any medication to fix it.
Yes, the sun runs across the sky like a golden chariot...blah-blah-blah. Greeks already described the sun in that manner and the Koran perpetuates that mythology as do other religions. So, I guess there really is nothing new under the sun!
One of mohammed's wife – "Mohammed, they say you're a pedophile."
mohammed – "Those are big words for a 9 year old."
Really, while it's still debatable you might want to hear these.
What age was Mary when Jesus was born? 12?13?14? What would you call her if the event happened now?
Talmud says: A girl who is three years of age and one day may be betrothed by cohabitation …" (Yeb. 57b)
Until 1929 (that's 84 years ago) the legal age was 14 for boys and 12 for girls in England.
In the USA in the 1890s, several states had an age of consent as low as 10.
And guess what, In 1895, the age of consent in Delaware was 7.
Now surely you know there are differences between the condition today and >1.000 years ago.
Ummmmm, who says the earth is flat??
The quran said like 1.400 years ago, the earth is not flat nor perfectly round.
“And the earth, moreover, hath He made egg shaped.” [Al-Qur’an 79:30]
The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth (Zakir Naik)
Isaac Newton first proposed that Earth was not perfectly round. Instead, he suggested it was an oblate spheroid—a sphere that is squashed at its poles and swollen at the equator. He was correct and, because of this bulge, the distance from Earth's center to sea level is roughly 21 kilometers (13 miles) greater at the equator than at the poles (scientificamerican)
The earth is shaped exactly the opposite of an egg. An egg is elongated along its vertical axis. The earth is squashed along its vertical axis. Another Quran FAIL. One of hundreds.
The earth is a long way from being shaped like an egg.....but try and twist it to fit. Most religions do anyway.
"An egg is elongated along its vertical axis// The earth is squashed along its vertical axis."
Well, simply put the egg on table, and you'll see differently. It's not cube, do'h.
"The earth is a long way from being shaped like an egg...." Yeah, how do you describe to the people living 1.400 ago when there's no such thing called telescope or computer to do the calculation?
Should the quran described "The earth is approximates an oblate spheroid, a sphere flattened along the axis from pole to pole such that there is a bulge around the equator and the diameter at the equator to be 43 km (kilometer) larger than the pole-to-pole diameter???" Nope orstrich egg would do fine, the creatures that can be found in many regions, so that people could understand.
And funny thing is the shape of earth is heavily discussed around 1700, or 1,200 years later after it's described in quran.
The theoretical shape of the Earth has been studied by mathematicians over the past 4 centuries (although the interest has waned the last 40 years or so). The list of people who have contributed to this topic sounds like an all-time hall of fame of mathematicians: Newton (1689), Huygens (1690), Cassini (1701), Maupertuis (1732), Clairaut (1733), Euler (1740), MacLaurin (1742), D'Alembert (1756), Lagrange (1759), Laplace (1772), Legendre (1784), Monge (1787), Poisson (1811), Gauss (1813), Cauchy (1815), Jacobi (1834), Dirichlet (1857), Dedekind (1860), Riemann (1860), Poincaré (1885), Darwin (1906, the son of Charles Darwin), Jeans (1917), Cartan (1924), Chandrasekhar (1960), and others.
It was Isaac Newton who first claimed that the Earth is not spherical, but "oval". Newton imagined two wells going down to the center of the Earth: one drilled from the North Pole, and one drilled from the equator, both filled with water. The water in the equatorial well is subject to the centrifugal force, and the water in the Polar well is not. For the two columns of water to be in equilibrium, it follows that the equatorial well must be longer..
http:// www. josleys. com/ show_gallery.php?galid=313
Kay is an idiot who will someday blow himself to pieces because Quran has led him to believe that he will have 7 wives waiting for him in heaven. don't waste your time with that idiot.
You go Kay! Tell these dickwads what's what. Obviously they are too ignorant and blinded by hate to listen to reason.
Muhammad was a pedophile. He got off on diddling 8 year olds.
I just finished intellectually destroying an evangelical christian, don't even get me started on you guys.
Ohhh.. i'm so scared. The space doctor is now talking. oo...
Look how far we have come since Kitty Hawk. I don't think the Wright brothers could have imagined how out technology has grown in 110 years.
Well in 4 billion years we'll either be long extinct (most likely) or transpandimensional beings unfazed by dying, bloating stars. Sorry about dear little Earth though...Maybe we could put it in a museum or something.
We weren't from Earth to begin with.
the earth isn't from the earth either, we are from the earth, but we are not of the earth
the earth is not from what the earth is from either, the earth is from what the earth is from but it is not from what it is from
O ye of little faith. The son of man will have power over all creation.
Who? Bronze Age Mythology is rather passe in the 21st century.
I am highly entertained by the scientific illiteracy of the common American. Enough said.
Us common, science illiterate Americans, find great humor at the expense of pencil-neck freaks like you, who can't even dress yourselves in the morning without someone telling you that your socks don't match.
Can someone explain, if the core of the Sun is hydrogen, what in the name of everything is preventing it from going up in a flash, ala Hindenburg?
Things under incredible pressure and heat don't behave like they do in your backyard. If you were really interested in finding out the answer to your question it is easy to do in any number of books on the subject. Instead I suspect you think you have cleverly pointed out some flaw in our understanding of how the Sun works, in which case, you are quite dull intellectually.
Wow. Why hadn't anyone thought of this before?!!!
Someone needs to call the scientists of the world together to let them now there's a gaping Hindenberg-sized hole in the standard model of the sun, as pointed out on a CNN comment.
This changes EVERYTHING.
It's far too hot at the core of the sun for any compounds to form, or any chemical reactions to take place. Even if there were any oxygen it wouldn't be able to bond with hydrogen.
Basic physics control ALL Suns, they don't need to be set by intelligent beings to function, they just act on the natural laws of the universe. Big Suns create HUGE gravities, pulling large amounts of material into the Nuclear Furnace in the center, they need to do this to stay stable, and the huge gravity does it just fine, but burns fuel at an incredible rate, so the Suns die pretty fast, then explode. Smaller Suns like ours do the same but the gravity is much less so they last longer.
It is. You basically have a nuclear bomb going off constantly It will eventually run out of fuel.
The sun is not on fire...
At the rate man is progressing ( the most intelligent animal on the Earth) we will never have to worry about even being here in 4 billion years for a flameout.
In fact, I wouldn't wager anymore than 100 yrs.
The same was said by ancient Egyptians as the pyramids were being built. But, truly, we'll be here a long time. We are VERY adaptive...well, maybe not you.
Fantastic, then. Your great (to the power of 50 million) grand children will be happy they adapted – before they're zapped dead by this universally natural event that's coming.
Ancient Egyptians? Not so ancient really when compared to the age of the Earth and universe.
i wouldn't wage it if i were you. some smart people in the 60's predicted human would drive flying cars to work in 2012. look around! i seriously doubt human will even be in the earth orbit cheaply just for kicks in 200 years. i wage $200.
I wage another 200 bucks you didn't do so well in high school.
"At the rate man is progressing ( the most intelligent animal on the Earth) we will never have to worry about even being here in 4 billion years for a flameout.".... "The most intelligent animal on Earth".... Humans are not animals, because The difference between animals and humans is that animals would be hiding if a hurricane was nearby while humans would be taking pictures...And meanwhile, around the world, humans are killing each other for no reason, plaguing the earth, polluting it, and devoting their useless lives to some non-existent being when they could be doing something better. Majority of animals however, do not ally theirselves with different species because they do not have a choice. If they all did, there would be no food for them, and it's not like they can eat humans, which also drive many species to extinction. The human race will hardly ever get to see this solar system's sun die due to extinction from their own stupidity. An animal like a primate could learn sign language, they don't say "I'll murder you if you don't give me a banana", They'l say "Hello there, how are you?" What has this race been saying to eachother? "I'll kill your people for your resources, i'll humiliate and harass you for not being stupid enough to believe my religion, I hate you for no reason, hey neighbor, let's kill each other." Don't call a Planetary plague "The most intelligent Animals of Said Planet" when it's so wrong and obvious that it's wrong, it'll be like painting a pinkish yellow square on a dark blue wall.
it"s almost like the human race is some sort of biological diabolical mistake
We're mammals with big brains. Where did you attend school? Hillbilly Junction?
Apes will kill you for a banana actually.. they also rape indiscriminately. Humans in general have the ability to overcome their base instincts, something that sets us apart from other animals.
As several people have pointed out, if you took science and stayed awake you already knew that a looooong time from now the sun will cook us. I guess CNN needed more than just horrific mass murders for their front page? Lets just get it over with and take out everyone. But where next fella's?
THATS WHAT THE KJV Holy Bible Sa;ys, last was by Water, next time by FIRE (Hot Like the Sun) Praise the Lord. No Liberals or Non-Christians will believe this story though. Its like they do not believe Gen:3:20 Eve was the Mother of ALL LIving and if she was the Mother of all living, then there is no one out there in Space unless they came from this earth. Why do the spend trillions of dollars with sound systems, etc to lister from the satelites that they send out there.Believe Folks, Believe John 3:16
The so called deluge, or global flooding, that covered the mountains, would have required 5x, that's five times the volume of the present day oceans. So, where did all that water go to? If it evaporated into our atmosphere, the resulting air pressure would crush us to death. Don't take the story literally, unless you are a scientific fool.
Hahaha! Bible. OK, right, we're not discussing fiction here, we're talking about science. You know – reality.
Reality? What's reality? Oh right i forgot, it's something others who drank too many retardants in their glass of water forgot to live in when they created religion.
eww. Eve is the mother of everybody? That would make our species so in-bred it would have been extinct several 1,000 years ago
Anyone who didnt know the sun would fry the earth please commence to punch yourself in the face for not finishing 7th grade.
Thank you for saying what needs to be said. There is a place in this world for truth that only sounds obnoxious.
CNN found a cool scientist to write an article on, What's wrong with that? So what if he affirms what we all should know? You seem to be so uncool, yeuch.
Wish they'd spend more time on this kind of thing instead of dredging up Caribou Barbie or Ted Poopypants Nugent on a regular basis. Science is uber-cool and people might actually learn something instead of just being more misinformed.
Because no one at CNN believed it the first 6,000 times an "old white man" told them this. It had to come from some hipster. Now they're all over it.
The piece was actually a glimpse into the life and work of an award-winning scientist, but they had to attach a headline that would suck people in. The fact that they felt the need to do that, and the fact that many people wouldn't be interested by a more meaningful headline, is a sad commentary.
Arguing with derp makes you a herp. Welcome to life on planet Herpaderp.
The sun might fry the earth but I would bet humans won't be here to see it. We will be here for about another 500 yrs if we are lucky enough not to kill ourselves. Secondly an asteroid or some other celestial event will be sure to wipe us out long before the sun engulfs us. Perhaps inteligient life will become extinct and be rekindled hundreds of times before the sun expands and then implodes.
yeah. I'm an old man and this was old news when I was a kid.
OMG. The sun is going to fry the EARTH?! I hope it doesn't happen in our lifetimes. That's awful.
Dr. Kalirai is a great example of someone who is motivated, hard-working and articulate. I wish more of today's youth were that way, instead of in many cases being self-absorbed and dependent on electronic gadgets to occupy their time. The bit of humor thrown in is important; scientists need to be perceived as human beings with feelings and sensitivities like anyone else, and not automatons. I wish him and his team continued success in their projects.
I'm sure Sheldon Cooper will figure this out soon enough. I lay my faith in him...
Sorry is hardly an adequate apology for burning the earth up. How about, I'm really, really, sorry.
Well, I would like to apologize, a whole lot, for the fact that everyone alive today will die long before the sun fries the Earth. I'm sorry to break it to you, but I sincerely apologize. Really I do.
By the time our sun is ready to super nova we will have the technology to move The Earth out of the way. I'm sure scientists will develop a planet mover and we can pick out a shiny new solar system to park the Earth in...
As Dr. Kalirai said, our sun will become a red giant and hence will not go super nova, it has too little mass.
Sun won't go supernova. Will become a white dwarf, that's all. But yes, we still have to get out of the way.
Caucasian little person is the preferred term.
Not all stars go super nova. If I remember correctly, our sun doesn't have the mass to blow itself up.
Not if the Teapanties have their way and keep cutting research funding and teaching creation crockism in the science classroom.
This assumes, of course, that human evolution is a fact instead of still just a theory that has yet to be proven.
Maybe Jesus will save us... idiot.
Gravity is just a theory too, and we don't know as much about it as we do about evolution, but I doubt you will be jumping off any buildings anytime soon, unfortunately.
By the way, anyone can verify evolution as a fact, any bio lab around the world can show single celled organisms evolving. How do you think you get the cold or flu again and again? It's impossible to suffer the same virus twice, so how does it happen? Oh, maybe the virus evolves into different strains maybe?
Evidence for evolution is not evidence against God.
I agree with what you are saying; however, gravity is a law not a theory. As my other post states, a theory explains a law or set of laws.
You cannot prove the non-existance of a fanciful creature.
Gravity is a theory described in general relativity.
Newton's "laws of gravity" were groundbreaking at the time and were very close to being accurate, however it was entirely superseded when Einstein developed his theory of general relativity and we stopped thinking of space and time as two different things. Today we know there is only "spacetime."
So gravity really is a theory, not a law, we still don't know how these theories hold up in the case of black holes, where general relativity and quantum mechanics meet.
As of now, the two theories are incompatible with one another, however, GE is still used in the physical world, and QM is still used in the sub-atomic world.
@ Yankee doodle. You are full of B.S.
Evidence of evolution absolutely negates the exsistence of any god.
Christians think that all human beings came from Adam and Eve. Evolution proves that to be false, and with it, everything in Genesis. If everything in the first book is a lie, im not really optimistic about the rest
maybe he will go jumping off a building, but he wont do it twice...
Yet another person who misunderstands what the word 'theory' means when used by scientists. Though theory may mean a postulation when referring to something like a crime mystery, in science it means that various facts, yes facts, and laws have been explained by an idea–a theory. For example, Einstein’s 'theory' of relativity explains the law of gravity and how the sun can exert its gravitational force across 90 million miles of empty space. Another example would be the nuclear 'theory' of an atom, which explains many different laws of chemistry. Like the theory of evolution, these theories have been proven time and time again as fact.
Yes, theories consist of facts and laws. Theories are postulated to explain a fact. Animals evolved over time to what they are today. That is a fact. Darwin's theory was that natural selection was the force behind that evolution. Laws can not be proven false. A theory is a different matter. If a single instance was found that didn't hold true to the theory then that theory would be proven false and not that the underlying fact wasn't still true. In this discussion evolution.
@Allen, yes if you can come up with credible, observable, measurable evidence that directly disproves a theory, then it will be disproven. It is extremely difficult as a theory has evidence behind it. That's why it is a theory.
However, as for evolution, nobody is capable of coming up with credible evidence that will disprove the theory of evolution. In fact we observe that life does change over time in bacteria. Even in the bones of humans 4000 years ago, we can see differences in the jaw structure. Our jaws today are narrower than they were 4000 years ago.
Oh for Christ sake, Southern Celt, you couldn't possibly be that stupid. Yes, Evolution is real. It happens all the time. Creastionism is a bad joke that comes from an ignorant bunch of people who believe a fairy tale because someone told them to.
Stupid? Maybe, maybe not. Ignorant? Definitely. Ignorant enough to be totally unaware that even the creationist organizations have been quietly telling their followers to stop using stupid arguments like "evolution is just a theory," because all they succeed in doing is announcing their total ignorance of science in the most obvious possible way.
Thank you for demonstrating that you are such an imbecile you don't even understand what it means when scientists assign the term "theory" to an area of study.
Only in your case.
Who's Obama gonna blame for this?
Better question: what sort of half-wit thinks it's Obama's fault?
He could, perhaps, blame God. I suppose that is who you think is responsible for the Sun turning Earth into falafel, right?
If the Sun loses 45% of it's mass, the earth will not be held in the same orbit as implied. It will move far from the sun, and will freeze, not burn up.
The earth orbits the center of the sun's mass, so it's orbit will not change. When the sun enlarges to a red giant, it's center of mass won't change and the earth, remaining where it is, will be incinerated.
Uh no, dummy, the orbit will in fact expand if the sun loses mass. Where he's wrong is that the sun expands FIRST.
Uh yeah, dimwit, that's AFTER the earth is fried.
The sun will develop into a red giant and due to the unstable nature of the fusion in the helium core and hydrogen shell, pulsations will be set up. This will cause the outer layers of the sun to be ejected into space, so the sun will lose alot of mass, perhaps 40%. (This is called a planetary nebula).
The outer layers that will be ejected will be quite hot but also extremely tenuous, more or less the density of a very good vacuum made in a lab on earth. So, the earth might not heat up all that much.
Once the outer layers are expelled the earth will move away from the sun.
However, the effects on earth's orbit by Jupiter are impossible to predict far into the future. It could well be that the earth will be quite far from the sun a few billion years from now and will freeze before any of this happens. Or, it might have moved quite close to the sun and have been deep fried long before the red giant phase begins.
As you point out, it will be incinerated. If anything is left, it will probably have a different orbit. By the way, manners weren't a point of emphasis in your upbringing, were they?
I just love how you call Mike a dimwit, yet you repeat his error of using "it's" for the possessive case.
Uh, I didn't use the word "its" or "it's," dimwit. I just love how you think you're being clever when you're in fact quite clueless.
I'm confused about how I should dress. A jacket or shorts ? Is it going to be freezing or hot ?
Just dress in layers. And make sure you have plenty of ice for your drinks.
My guess is that the loss of sun density results in a progressively wider orbit. This in turn shifts the already fragile balance of techtonic plates which will at some point trigger super volcanoes to erupt and cover the atmosphere with enough to debris to blot out the sun's rays and extinguish pretty much all life. So my vote is for freezing, not burning.
LOL! Spoken like someone who has never taken a geophysics class in his life.
Gee, another Discovery Channel Scientist. Next thing we know he'll be doing the Captain Michio Exaggeratio thing and claim he knows the most disastrous that have happened in the history of the universe. (PLONK!)
Your dad's sperm producing testicles?
The black hole inside your head?
Typical of CNN – sensational journalism. Put an eye-catching headline up, then tell an unrelated story. This is why the media has lost all credibility. All the news that's print to fit.
Sensationalism is right.lol Sort of reminds me of the radio show about martians invading.
I clicked because I couldnt believe something so common sense was posted as news. Its like making an article called "scientist says universe is big." Luckilly the actual article has more content than elementary school science.
@estes. Exactly. There are hundreds of creation myths throughout human cultures. The one found in the Bible can prove no more legitimacy than any other. Many current objective biblical scholars now believe that Genesis was first recorded in the 4th century BCE, concurrent with the founding of Judaism, and that it can be viewed as an effort to capture the collective 'ancient' stories of its people. Viewed this way, it actually makes much more sense as a historical record, since events reduce in scale. For example, Noah's Ark becomes a story about a man who loads his family, livestock, and supplies onto a boat to escape a localized flood. One can assume (as happens with most legends and folk tales) that the story became grander and grander over time, and probably pre-date the conception of the Judeo-Christian god, whose influence on events was added to the stories later.
Why are having the same tired, "don't believe in science, believe in gods" argument here? The assertion that the sun is billions of years is old and will someday destroy the earth isn't even up for debate anymore. It's just fact., and no less certain than basic arithmetic. Trying to somehow argue that "science" is wrong about this is just...unintelligent.
I understand that the "strict constructionists" in many religions are having a hard time reconciling their historical theology with modern science. In some cases, the 'suspension of disbelief' needed for faith is hitting critical mass and negatively affecting their membership and individual commitment. I get how when that tipping point is reached, the only option is to flatly deny any and all scientific information that can chip away at that suspension of disbelief, and eventually to deny "science" in general. I understand the thought process, but it's desperate, unbecoming, and disingenuous. Apollo did not pull the sun across the sky, no matter how much his priests wanted him to, and eventually people stopped believing it. It just is what it is.
sorry- Why are WE having...
_ to be or become the best of Scientist one must first acknowledge all emotions and have a clear undestanding of them all in secuence to the other emotions_ in doing so one has the open mind to discover with out fear the subline as well as the reality in wich one finds oneself withing and without_ keeping in mind that at all times reason is procuring the safety of one's emotions in the venture of discoveries.
Virginia, where on earth do you come up with this hogwash? Science has nothing to do with emotion. Science has to do with rational analysis of measurable phenomena and testable postulates.
How do you know it's hogwash? Wouldn't it have to be at least minimally coherent to even qualify as hogwash?
Ah, I think you might have actually meant "gibberish."
didnt read through all the comments, if someone has already made this point I apologise, but Jason is the kind of young man that I see as a true hero that children should look up too. Science and math are exciting fields.If humanity has any hope for survival it is science that will save us. We should encourage our children to enter these fields.We have enough MBA's,lawyers, Dr's etc. We need more engineers, physicists,geologists,climatologists etc.
Yes, like those scientists at MIT who are building the robots to replace and ultimately destroy the human race...or the guys that created the atomic bomb. Science rules!
Hey listen up for a second. You gladly accept the fruits of the scientific enterprise while rejecting its methods. When science gives you an iPhone, microwave oven or LCD television set, all is well. When it turns its attention to understanding the cosmos, its magically deranged. OK you can put your head back in the sand now.
Yes, it's the same science that allows you to type words and send them across the world right now too. Just because science can be used to create destruction doesn't mean we ignore the advancements it provides us.
_ to be or become the best of Scientist one must first acknowledge all emotions and have a clear undestanding of them all in secuence to the other emotions_ in doing so one has the open mind to discover with out fear the subline as well as the reality in wich one finds oneself withing and without_ keeping in mind that at all times reason is procuring the savety of one's emotions in the venture of discories.
Hey Virginia, what color's the sky in your world? Just curious...
I expect that once we are developed enough that we will assert control over the sun and prevent its malfunctioning like that. Turns out that, if one prevents that helium runaway, the sun will never reach a red-giant phase, it will never have the helium flash, and even after 1 trillion years, will still be shining at 6% of present value.
Scientists are so negative.
At this rate of population growth, there will be only Chinese people to witness this event.
Well that doesn't make any sense seeing how India's population is going to surpass China's soon
surely most of you already knew this, yes? i read many comments and some of them said this doesnt matter because something else will take us out sooner. that may be so. regardless, we need to get off this rock. that being very difficult we need to get busy. much money and time should be spent on space exploration. people like this gentleman are our only true hope. congrats Jason Kalirai on your big award. keep up the good work.
The oldest dinosaur types are known from rocks in Argentina and Brazil and are about 230 million years old. So dinosaurs roamed the Earth for 164 million years before their extinction. I have wondered if dinosaurs had survived, would they have evolved into intelligent beings capable tool making, flight, and space travel? Is there anything in the fossil record or any theory to shed some light on this?
No one can answer that–maybe they did. What could have, what should have, even what might have been offers no reply.
Answer is no, we only evolve to the point we need to successfully survive with only minor changes thereafter.
Look at sharks, they haven't changed for millions of years (longer than when dinosaurs roamed the earth), they don't need brains or tools to survive, what they have is plenty.
Dinosaurs were some of the most adapted for surviving creatures on earth. So they would not have changed much, because they didn't need tools or too much brains to survive.
The cataclysmic events that led to their extinction happened fast and were beyond their control.
Some dinosaurs did evolve – into birds.
I read that on the internet, so I know it's true.
In re your question concerning whether, but for their extinction, dinosaurs would have developed an intellectual capacity to use tools and otherwise evolved, there is evidence in the fossil record that dinosaurs not only survived, but learned to use tools and developed an intellect roughly the equivalent of a below average kindergarten student. There is an organization dedicated to educating the public concerning this phenomenon and perpetuating their existence, which can be found at http://www.nra.org.
Yes, unfortunately not ALL dinosaurs went extinct.
There is an interesting fellow on youtube SuspeciousObserver. He gives a morning report on world wide weather and the events on the sun. He is looking at various events on earth and sun for correlations. Very interesting data drawn from many NASA sites and others. Check him out if you like science and space info.
I have to be honest. I thought this had been common knowledge for quite some time. We know stars expand as they die. I've read about this very same thing at least 5 years ago.
you might like the information I just posted. This guy talks about alterations in the orbits of some of the planets and changes in the magnetic force of the sun, moon and the stars. He got me reading much more. My degree is political science and biology but he makes some compelling cases to explore more.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll check it out. :)
Obviously not, and I blame Christian homeschooling for that...
...much more to know nonsense about talking snakes, lakes of fire and a vengeful (petty) deity up in the sky...
Relax everyone, we have plenty of time.
So...what's the whole point of life?
Should we all just get drunk and 'get to know each other'?
Bah, that's all we do NOW.
The point is to survive.
*Always the singular and only point to life: If it feels good.....do it!
An interesting question from the outcome of my research is whether the Earth will actually survive this process? The Sun will lose almost half of its mass, and the surface temperature of the Earth will change dramatically. But, the planet itself, should survive. So, we can actually turn our attention to older Sun-like stars that have already formed white dwarfs, and go looking for surviving, burnt planets. Exciting!
However unlikely, I guess a crusty percentage of our earth might survive…
but not much of what's on it could, right?
Our species won't be finding out through anybody's personal experience.
Though the conjecture is kinda fun. I guess.
Recently I read that there are estimated to be some 75 billion RED dwarfs in our galaxy, of which 6% – about 4.5 billion – host planets that may be habitable. Red dwarfs are smaller, cooler and about 1,000 times dimmer than our sun so they are not visible to the naked eye in the night sky. It's possible that the nearest Earth-like habitable planet might only be 13 light years away. Not exactly the back yard but close by. Source: Science Daily.
seems a bit silly, you and all you know will certainly be dead well before that event.
The sun is going to fry the Earth, and all it can say is "Sorry"? What has happened to manners?
At least it will say "Sorry". What do you want? It to say, "Sorry, have a nice day"? :)
Cash makes anything OK. It needs to pay for damages.
The Sun fried my planet, and all I got was this T-shirt.
we all realized that having a sun that cannot provide the same level of heat at of today is as bad as one sun that is extending it's heat waves...so if the sun dissappears for what ever reason its just as bad as if it gets larger and burns the earth..for sure we don't know how this can happen or when if ever will happen...
That escalated quickly.
Shouldn't we start doing something now to prevent the sun from destroying the earth? We can't just sit around un til the last minute. This will probably take decades of study and computer analysis. LET'S GET STARTED PEOPLE!
I'm sure the liberals will come up with some new tax that can prevent this from happening....all for the greater good.
I'm working on it. I will patent SPF 100000000000000000 sun lotion.
Highly qualified scientists are already working on this. See my earlier post from 10:48 AM for more information.
who cares ? the fish arent biting anyway
Christian Rightists would be against it. They believe their "god" trumps the sun and science. They'll never believe that the sun is gonna fry earth.
But the day of Adonai will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! 2Pe 3:10-12
Excellent point. Perhaps we could take just a little bit better care of the sun and it would last a few billion years longer?
Stars with the mass of the Sun will eventually enter a red giant phase.
During this stage of its evolution, the sun will begin to expand because it can no longer hold itself together. It will swell up to the size of Mars orbit around the sun. It will also become less dense and begin to loose mass.
This phase will last for eons and the end point will be a planetary nebula with a white dwarf at its core.
Yep and to add to this, the Sun will start getting and hotter and brighter in about 400-million years, which means in about 500-million years, the age of Animal Life on Earth will come to an end. And in about 800-million years, all life on Earth will be gone and it will be a dead rock on space; it will look similar to Mars today.
I find the religious debates amusing in this context. The sun WILL die. There is PLENTY of evidence. When it does, the earth will die too.
We won't be here. I am NOT talking about humans today obviously, but what life will be on the planet in 4-5 billion years from now. It won't be human I can promise you that. We are just the latest tenants on this planet. We have been around for just under two million years. The dinosaurs ruled the planet for almost 100 millions years.
But even that is an eyelid blink in the history of our planet. Nope. Through natural selection or by our own hand, mankind will be long extinct by the time the sun goes. If I had to guess, I am thinking it will be the bug's turn to run the planet. There are far more of them then there are of us. When we are gone they will evolve into whatever way nature takes them.
I bet their god will look like a bug.
Careful, that kind of truth used to get people hung, or dropped in lakes tied to a boulder, or thrown off cliffs to see if they could fly.
The rational ones are always feared.
The only proof left that we even existed will be the Voyager crafts (if they don't smash into something and disintegrate) and maybe the radio waves we've put off. Unless, of course, we do get off this rock later on at some point and find other planets to ruin.
You forgot a couple more off of the top of my head; Pioneer 10, and the New Horizons craft currently heading for a fly-by of Pluto and it's 5 known moons. After Pluto, it will head out of the solar system while checking out Kuiper belt objects. I'm sure there are also many more "space junk" things out there too.
I'm betting on the bees. They'll have hive-shaped temples and be at war with dragonflies and cockroaches.
If we don't destroy ourselves in the next 1000 years, robots will inherit the earth. They will be superior in every aspect over humans, much more durable and recyclable.
My understanding is that matter and energy cannot be destroyed. It can only change shape.
Seriously - a bug? I doubt it. Parallel evolution would suggest that their sentient species will probably be bipedal with squishy exteriors, and I kind of doubt they will have compound eyes - though that is possible. Their species might have wings, but I would bet they will be non-functional and atrophied significantly.
In short, they will probably look sort of similar to us, so their god would probably look that way, too. Not so sure about the vocal chords/method of communicating, though - they might not sound much like us.
what a lame way to get people to read this story
So in the "end" man-made global warming means nothing? Or will we all be taken out by an asteroid, super volcano or nuclear holocaust long before the sun fries us anyway?
well several billion years in the future then in the end it will mean nothing.
Really, that's your take away? If the planet can't live forever we may as well all go asap? I think there are some steps missing in your thinking.
by that time hot-springs will have errupted causing most of north america to be cvered in lava.
Dont worry... no insects will harm you puny citizens.
Most of us should worry about the death within us, or close by. Take off those earphones and watch where you step..
The Sun will fry the Earth in 4 billion years (if the Earth and Sun are still around by then), but what no one tells you is the Earth along with the rest of the Milky Way Galaxy is traveling headlong at 1.3 million MPH towards the Andromeda Galaxy for a head on collision that will certainly if not destroy our solar system as we know will fling either the earth or the sun off into space and most certainly change our orbit in relationship to the sun, but long before then some Asteroid or comet or gamma ray burst of huge solar flare will fry us.
What no one tells us? And yet you just told us. So you're no one? I'm so confused...
A "collision" between galaxies (billion of years away in the future or not) is nothing to worry about: if you look at the ratio between the space occupied by matter and empty space in a typical galaxy, the probability of something from galaxy "A" hitting something from galaxy "B" is very, very close to zero
Good point. Even a nearby supernova frying our ozone layer is very unlikely (google "Near Earth Supernova"). As far as astronomical threats are concerned, we should be worrying about Earth-crossing asteroids – there are still asteroids out there for which we have little or no orbital data – even with NASA and professional astronomers working on the problem. This is an area of research that amateur astronomers can get into – and they have already made significant contributions.
If it weren't for that silly little spoiler gravity, you'd be right. Just look up at the surface of the moon to get a glimpse of how likely it is for objects in space to collide.
Obviously you've never tried to hit a golf ball through a tree, which by volume, is 99% air...
One day I would love to read a science article and not see comments about how scientists are stupid no-nothings and that science is just a left-wing conspiracy against God. If that day ever comes, my faith in the future of mankind will be restored. At this point, however, it is questionable.
"no-nothings" LOL, that's precious irony!
It was a Catholic priest and scientist that developed the Big Bang Theory. There was no conflict for him between science and religion.
The conflict is that this God caused the Big Bang. Using God of gaps is asinine.
that you are asking for will never happen because its true that as logic intents to suppress emotions by reasoning that emotions are not need it in time of need. so is science incline to suppress Religion and the believe in God because it doesn't fully understand the need for intuition- emotions and the reason for their need of being...emotions need shelter but only logic provides the mean to shelter emotions...Religion creates the means Science brings the discoveries.
Virginia, it might serve you well to go back to school and take a few more English classes. It will make your ramblings more coherent and in turn will actually make people take your crap seriously. Good luck!
huh? good grief
Virginia, the web site you're using to translate your native tongue into English isn't helping your case. Try a different one.
Her native tongue is Gibberish. They haven't developed a reliable translation engine yet.
The first thing Virginia needs to learn is the BELIEF SYSTEM vs the KNOWLEDGE SYSTEM and look up the Square of Opposition while you are studying. The Belief system belongs within your home or church but the knowledge system is used for academics. This maybe too complex, however.
Needless to say that you are a co-conspirator yourself, because to write this comment you used the scientific products called computer, Internet, quite probably reading glasses, while sipping from the cup of coffe prepared using gas or electric stove (not in the clay pot in the campfire, right?) with the coffee beans delivered by train, or ship, or, God forbid, airplane, and you are sitting not in the cave, I presume, though, who knows. All these and thousands other everyday things would have been impossible without that left-wing conspiracy. And, by the way, most of the early scientists, or should I say conspirators, were either priests or very right-minded pious people.
Does no one think that ebven our most brilliant scientists today, who think they know it all, really know nothing at all?
Think how science has progressed over the last thousand years, and how it will probably progress over the next thousand years. Our scientists today, really will know nothing compared to scientists in as little as 200 years. By the time this ever comes around to being a concern, science may well have learned of a way to create stars!!
but that doesnt invalidate this guys statement. Sure we may learn some great technological star creating science in the future but if we do nothing then what he says will happen is more than likely not what will happen.
Yes, it is awe inspiring, isn't it?
The mass required to ignite the nuclear reaction at the heart of a star is immense, all the planets, asteroids, comets, moons etc in this solar system only comprise 1% of the matter required. If man kind has the ability to find and transport this amount of material into position to cause it to coalesce into a star, they might as well use that technology to travel to an already made star system.
In spite of the fact that most kids in Jr. High School already know that our sun is in middle age – between birth and 4.5 billion years from now, when it will die – there are actually people (adults, too) who know nothing about how our own star will end its life and when and how.
I suppose articles like this ARE necessary, since so many people have managed to avoid learning things this basic. Or forget them, making it advisable to remind them.
As I read comments online, I am constantly stricken with the abysmal level of knowledge most people have. And they think they're educated! It's hard to imagine anything stupider than being ignorant and proud of it.
Well, they went to school. But for how long? What did they actually LEARN there, especially in science classes? Or, more significantly, what did they NOT learn?
Our fundie faiths have, for decades, been "amending" the educational systems in their areas. Depleting or omitting science education is one. "Revising" the teachings of Civics classes, so the kids will never learn about separation of church and state. And those are just some.
Our federal government has let these things go on for many decades. The rural areas are the least funded for education, which leaves a big yawning abyss into which the fundies can fill in. When they do, people begin to think they already "know it all" and don't need more schooling. The fundies know how to appreciate THAT. And they do. Oh, they do.
We need to stop this. Cold. We can no longer trust educational matters to the hands of locals. When most of them are fundies, the schools in their areas will comply with fundie beliefs, even if they have to rewrite scholastic subjects, wipe them out, or edit out what they don't like. Maybe the only way around this abuse is for all educational facilities to be in the hands of federal authorities. Obviously the state and local governments have failed miserably.
Freedom of religion is necessary, but religions have used it to be licentious, imposing their views on everyone else. They do NOT have the right to do that.
Our religions – ALL of them – need a comeuppance. Religious rights mean that you have the right to any belief system you want. There are only THREE places where it truly belongs: the heart, the home and the house of worship. NOWHERE ELSE. But we know they HAVE intruded elsewhere, don't we?
It's time to put the lid back on. Religion is one of the primacy causes of the abysmal ignorance of the American people. We must improve our educational system, particularly in rural and inner-city areas. But we must also make our schools, and what they teach, "hands off" to all religions, then do the same thing regarding politics.
I, for one, am already overwhelmingly sick of people who run for office, claiming that "God spoke to me and told me to run." Gag me.
It doesn't get stupider than that. Or more dangerous to our democracy.
stupider. didn't know that was a word. Now your showing your intelligence.
One of those is "you're", genius.
If you are going to castigate someone for their poor spelling and grammar – it would behoove you to get your own grammar to be flawless, don't you think?
Go back to school. And pay attention this time.
Do you know what is even more stupider? Using the word "your" when you mean "you're".
I hope this post makes you feel good about yourself, because it serves no other positive purpose. I grew up in basically an atheist family, my son and mother are atheists, and I am an agnostic. But my daughter chose a Catholic high school and although she is not very religious herself, she really likes the selflessness that is taught. It's made her a better person. Just because religion is not for YOU does NOT mean it has no place in society other than home and church. Tolerance doesn't mean INtolerance of religious people.
When religions stop sowing hate and discord and intolerance – maybe they'll reap the benefits.
Otherwise – they're getting an eye for an eye. If that means they remain BLIND to truth and reality – then nothing is really lost, is there?
The Pope has said that gay people are a threat to world peace because they wish to marry.
How F-ing selfless is that???
He/she makes several good points, though. There's too much lazy thinking going on, and too much distraction provided by the religious right and their belief that they need to introduce their beliefs as legislation.
Good Point. I never understood how tolerance came to mean that we should tolerate everything but religion.
Every time someone tells a fundie 'no, you can't tell the rest of us how to live' they scream about intolerance and how their rights are being violated. It's nonsense, the religious right has too much sway in this country.
Being intolerant of intolerance is a perfectly fine way to go.
Thank you for posting. There is a place for religion as you stated. It is so very important that we keep church and state separate!
Definitely need to keep church and state separated. A theocracy is one of the worst forms of governemt a nation can have.
Religion in modern day society has and will hinder any and all forms of social and scientific progress.
Leaving religion out of the entire subject. The problem is really these scientist know nothing of how stars are made or when they will die. It is all a guesstimate at it's best. There are some things they have been able to figure out small mathematical equations and other formulas that do not and are not related on the subject of planet formations and other unknown facts about the real outer space. These are nothing but unfounded theories just like the big bang theory. UNFOUNDED.
Are you out of your mind, or just trolling?
'The problem is really these scientist know nothing of how stars are made or when they will die. It is all a guesstimate at it's best. '
yeah, you dont know anything about the scientific process do you? guesstimate at best...jeez.
Ignore the troll. No one is that stupid.
We should all get out our supersoakers and take care of the sun before it gets a chance to get that big.
Have you ever thrown water on a gas/chemical flame before? LOL.
We, we could pee on it. hapa hapa hapa.
Quick – get all the baking soda you can find!
While anyone can do the math on the eventual end of our planet, humans will not be there to see it. Evolution shows that if our genetic decendents are present to witness this event will be as different from us as we are to the organisims we evolved from.
Darn it-and I was going to stay up late hoping to see the fireworks!
Evolution doesnt 'show' anything except natural selection (not creation). Believeing in one common ancestor for all animals is a RELIGION with no science to back it up.
No that is called a hypothesis, not a religion. the hypothesis is based off of plenty of scientific fact
It makes a lot more sense then religion.
No one said evolution was about the creation of life it's everything that followed. How did the first lifeform form? A lot of people are working on it. To say that I gots the answers! biggity bang! God done it! is an argument from ignorance. If something is not yet know or explained it doesn't mean give you the right to say aliens did it, god did it, or a host or other ideas.
You have factual scientific evidence confused with fictional religious nonsense.
Wrong Daryl and Tom, evolution does attempt to explain origins (religion) in the public text books. Maybe you two were fortunate enough to go to a private school, and didnt have to be indoctrinated of the big bang theory and primordial soup. There are no observations that back these magic theories up.
Actually, there is a good amount of evidence to support one common ancestor. Strikingly similar biochemistry being one of the easier to demonstrate. Organelle evolution in mitochondria and chloroplasts (although chloroplasts being more recent, and fun!) also provides a neat example of how "many things" can come from one novel "thing". Just because you don't understand the theory of evolution, doesn't make it a religion. I have to get my car worked on tomorrow, unfortunately, I haven't a clue how it works, but I don't assume it to be a religious affair.
Dan, thanks for your input. maybe you could share one of these 'facts' or observations that back up the big bang or primordial soup.
Bluemoon, that is a simple common design vs common ancestor argument, neither of which can be proven through science. 'Similar biochemistry'? Just because you dont understand the complexity of DNA, doesnt mean a few similarities means we all came from the same puddle of mud. How did the organelles and mitochondria appear in the first place? Oh yea, your magic religion called the big bang or primordial soup. Similar design is just as much of an argument (if not more) for a common designer. The very existence of complex coded information like DNA implies an intelligent creator.
vj: hate to break it to you. The Big bang has 0 to do with evolution. It's about how the complexity in life occurs through natural means. Evolution can only occur once there is something that can replicate. How a replicating molecule can occur in the first place is something very smart people are working on (chemists, physicist).
Sorry vj but just because you dont understand the science and reject it doesnt make it any less correct.
You also seem to claim to be a young earther, and in doing that you must also reject all findings from pretty much all earth sciences and claim them to also be false.
This action shows you simply ignore the science rather than try to understand it and come to a different scientific reasoning to results.
oh and in case you didnt know.....the theory of the big bang actually came from a catholic priest.
vj: Who created the creator? Oh wait i know. Your logic applies to everything and you have to use special pleading to explain the creator. You are using the same old tired Christian apologetics. I hope you don't waste you life on this junk.
Tell me what kind of amazing discovery has come out of the Bible that we use every day? Then compare that to the advances that thinking scientifically get can you. Would you say that a Bat is a Bid? If you do then you learned it in the
Bible. Do you think the moon emits it's own light? If you do then you must have read the Bible.
There is rock hard fossil evidence linking man to more primitive primates, not to mention physiological and genetic evidence. We do share common ancestors going as far back as 375 million years and beyond, before the amphibians, lizards and rodents existed (which primates are known to have evolved from (post dinosaur age)) all the way to the first ocean going vertebrate fish. The evidence is overwhelming and is there for you to observe, if you can overcome your wish to deny it. Why is this such a problem with faith based reasoners? Oh I know. THey like to believe something first, then selectively shape their knowledge to support the belief, denying contradictory evidence and facts and accepting supportive statements regardless of their boolean (aka truth) value. Logical Reasoners on the other hand make observations with no preconcieved conclusions, perhaps an hypothesis or a paradigm will evolve when evidence leads to a logical conclusion however, they do not put the cart before the horse, as faith reasoners do. That just doesn't take us anywhere.
VJ, the "Common Ancestor" has been shown accurate via DNA analysis. You, me, Tom, Dan, Gene (?) everybody, every living THING on this rock share certain DNA elements that have been passed down, via evolution, to each and every one of us. We all share "similar biocheistry" since all living things on the planet are carbon based ... not copper, silica, et al. Bluemoon's assertion is valid. I definitely DO understand the complexities of DNA and stand by my words. You still confuse religion with science. Evolusion is not mythology. The "primoridal soup" hypothesis is questioned in light of finding organic material in comets and asteroids ... so we may be from the stars after all. The biological similarity completely bypasses any "need" for an intelligent designer. For if that were the case, why does the human eye contain so many design flaws? Intelligent Design? Yeah ... I saw that pig fly the cucuit last night ...
vj, you're trying way too hard. 9.0 score for the mental gymnastics, though.
VJ, I see a lot of people trying to answer the evolution problem, so I'll pass that up. If you want proof for the big bang, look up "cosmic microwave background" on Google.
The Bible (Old and New Testaments) are actually an account of the evolution of a Mid East religion.
Sounds like you've never heard of the plentiful evidence that all life comes from a single common ancestor. The chances of multiple common ancestors evolving to have the same cellular structure, organelles, and chemical code for duplication of cells (codon usage of DNA/RNA) is abysmally low, so low that THAT would be a true miracle. It's like coming home and seeing an empty pie plate on the table and your kid's mouth covered in pie. It's not a huge leap of faith to say that your kid ate the pie, is it?
@VJ: The science works without your god variable. Your denial of this fact is either an argument from ignorance or an argument from dishonesty.
You stole fizzy lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now must be washed and sterilized, so you get NOTHING. You LOSE. Good DAY Sir.
It cannot nor will it ever be determined the exact fate of our planet. The sun will obviously grow and Earth will inevitably be an unbearably hotter planet than it is today; but how much the sun will grow is not an exact science, so it cannot be determined if the planet will be destroyed or serve as a new Mercury or new Venus. Not only that, but there also exists the possibility of our planet being thrown out of the solar system, due to gravitational disruptions. What is important, though, is that as the sun grows outward, the "Goldilocks Zone" moves outward. So, Mars could quite literally become a new Earth - whether naturally or through terraformation. Some good stuff, huh!?
After a period of expansion, the hydrogen in the sun is exhausted, the sun will become a stellar cinder and simply cool over time. We call this state, the end state of 98% of all stars, white dwarfs. All of the planets close to the sun will be cold, dead, rocks.
I can always enter uranus
Careful, you might run into Howdy Doody!
most of enemy are living in america,,, dangerous to write the treatment to the public because instead to treat ,, to destroyed are d intention ,,,like now continue to plug that the asteroid are the killer of the dinosaur and important to remove,,,,,, much better do not speak
sanity isnt your first language is it?
I laughed so hard, I snorted.
I completely agree that it is much better for you not to speak ...
do all crank the taco spark for....malcontents look to box snow inside your head.
A rose by any street that takes the highway to spell.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.. wow,.. your wasted!
You have to love science...the folks who cannot agree on the origin of things or even what food is good for you, believe they have the end of things all figured out.
The life cycles of stars are well understood. When our star starts burning the hydrogen in it's outer shell it will grow tremendously and the Earth, being only 90 million miles away, will be engulfed by it. It's simple physics. Lots of good stuff about it on it he internet if your interested.
The life cycles of stars are well understood. When our star starts burning the hydrogen in it's outer shell it will grow tremendously and the Earth, being only 90 million miles away, will be engulfed by it. It's simple physics. Lots of good stuff about it on the internet if your interested.
You gotta love people who don't understand that Science is a scale that is continuously measuring. Science works and gives you a cell phone to talk on and sends you to the moon because. Science works because it changes our mind in the face of new evidence. You criticism of Science is exactly why it's so AWESOME about it. :)
it is funny that a person trying to claim science knows nothing is doing it on a machine created by science.
Yeah, what have the Romans ever done for us?
...and the sanitation.
To the believers...
You must first provide verifiable evidence that a god exists before you can claim to have knowledge of that gods abilities, actions or desires.
Please provide any verifiable evidence that your god exists. Without proof of existence, any claims made about your god are intellectually dishonest.
Completely wrong, Eric. The burden of proof is on evolutionists to justify their theory being taught in public schools at taxpayer expense.
a swing and a huge miss.......not even close.
Agreed. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim that Evolution. What you don't understand is that being skeptical of evolution was a legitimate position 150 years ago. Since there there has been mounting evidence for evolution (DNA, radiometric dating to name just 2). You obviously have no scientific literacy. Anyone today saying Evolution is a myth is someone who can be classified as a evidence denier. No amount of evidence will sway someone who has decided that God "done it".
I'm terrified that whatever education you got came from taxpayer money. Because it was a massive waste. Nothing stuck.
One positive thing is that we'll all die and know for certain whether there is a God long before the sun has an opportunity to destroy earth.
"One positive thing is that we'll all die ... long before the sun has an opportunity to destroy earth."
That part of your statement is correct. The part about knowing whether God exists, not so much.
Science really doesn't prove anything, and it never will. Rather, it's a process of disproving alternatives. We except something as true is science because the next most logical alternatives have been significantly dis-proven. This is why the words "scientifically proven" are never true.
Now, you ask for proof that God exists. This is impossible. Even if God were to come and demonstrate God power to you personally, it would still not be proof. This is because their are still alternative possibilities such as you were hallucinating or deceived by another source.
Now, my question is can you prove that we are not actually in a simulated Matrix-like environment? Prove that we are actually alive beyond any possible alternatives.
Occam's razor. Read about it.
@VJ: Actually, they have provided proof. It's called verifiable evidence that supports a hypothesis. Your inability to understand the evidence does not make it invalid.
I always thought that in science it is not possible to prove theories correct. I thought it was up to those who did not think the theory correct to prove its false. Therefore, unless you can prove God doesn't exist, start providing your "verifiable evidence". Make sure to cite which disinterested third party verified it.
'I always thought that in science it is not possible to prove theories correct. I thought it was up to those who did not think the theory correct to prove its false.'
no. when someone tries to prove a theory incorrect they do it by providing their own alternate theory and proving that instead. You can however have a theory peer reviewed for mistakes made in the calculations to the theory but that is not the same thing.
Therefore if you wish to say 'no that science theory is not correct, my god exists one is', then you do indeed need to 'prove' that theory.
@Aaron: I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. What you are suggesting is a logical fallacy. All claims (a god exists, for example) carry an inherent burden of proof responsibility. Until that burden of proof is satisfied, there can be no attempt to provide a theory that contradicts the original claim. For someone to attempt to prove that a god does not exist, the claim that a god does exist must first satisfy it's burden of proof responsibility.
To those who believe in God, no explanations is ever necessary; to those who don't, no explanations will ever be enough.
To those who do believe in God, providing sound evidence of "a God" is an integral part of faith that can withstand the attacks placed upon it. The churches have given "crumbs" in this regard (Luke 16:19-21), and therefore most who attend the churches have no solid evidence that there is a Creator, but just say to have faith. Their faith often crumbles under stress.
Genuine faith "is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld."(Heb 11:1) Hence, genuine faith is based on an "evident demonstration of realities", being an informed faith, with science providing evidence that a Master Designer exists. A genuine Christian will seek to supply an "evident demonstration" of a Creator by giving forth features of the universe and life that support this.
Isaiah 42:5 names our Creator, saying: "This is what the true God, Jehovah, has said, the Creator of the heavens and the Grand One stretching them out; the One laying out the earth and its produce, the One giving breath to the people on it, and spirit (or life-force) to those walking in it."
This is typical CNN Headline news to bring in the readers to read their story. Yes, in a BILLION years long after the human race has killed itself off already or found a way to live on some other 'planet' or part of the universe.
I would think at the rate the human race is expanding with no regard for the environment and the fact we have evolved into an us versus them mentality, we would be lucky to go another thousdand years.
Hell of a headline, CNN – People Magazine much? Between this story headline and the one about the serial killer, you're really scraping the barrel.
I'm not convined that the expanding sun will actually managed to kill off the roaches.
It will kill off everything. Eventually the sun will go super nova and anything within a few light years of the explosion will be toast.
Not a supernova,Vincent. Our sun will become a red giant and engulf Earth, then will shrink to a white dwarf in its final days.
That doesn't seem possible. "A few light years" is a long distance.
I believe you are right, they have their tiny roach rocketships ready to colonize mars just in case they can't hitch a ride with us.
Religious fools will pray to RA, the sun god, for mercy, but I am educated and know these mythological creatures such as gods and demons and that ilk don't really exist. So what do we do? I recommend, with an enormous amount of authority, that we consider Science. Why not develop a continent sized heat shield? This would buy us a little time. We also have cooling techologies and knowledge that can be used to invent heat resistant environments. Consider increasing air pollution from dirty coal furnaces (but not until we need to). The resulting particulates effectively reflect sunlight and heat from the sun and could save us mere Earthlings from overheating. We don't want to fry so let's put on our thinking caps and think. We could let an alien civilization invade us, and then organize a sneak attack to capture their flying saucers and then fly them to Mars full of people and survival kits, create a big bubble, and build a tropical paradise in a climate controlled environment with lots of recycling processes since there is only rocks and unusable Mars dust. Only the people left behind would fry, but you have to realize they would have fried anyway. Special people like me would be elected to drive the 'New Planet Initiative'. I would definitely be on the 'A' list. We could also set off a million atom bombs on the other side of the Earth (not the American side) to propel the earth to a more distant orbit.
Oh yes. you are very "special" indeed.
Im sure you are educated enough to distinguish between mythology and recorded history. You do know Israel and Judah have recorded history which you can verify through the BIble, correct?
The problem is that the evidence for things in the bible are more evidence in the bible. "It's true because it's in the Bible" is weak.
Oh. In my comic book SpiderMan lives in New York City. Since New York city is a real place it must be that Spider Man is real.
and greek and roman legends mention places and people too. Thats a long way short of suggesting that stories about magical events are therefore true.
It's verifiable because it's in the bible? You're killing me, smalls.
Well, first of all the Earth will likely have been uninhabitable for quite a while before the Sun begins to swell. Our planet is gradually losing it's atmosphere and moisture. A tiny amount escapes off into space every second.
So far this has not been a problem because the planet generates replacement air via natural processes, but these processes are slowly winding down. Over the next billion years Earth will become a slightly warmer version of Mars, which appears to have undergone the same process already. The atmosphere will thin out to the point that it doesn't provide enough oxygen for life as we know it. At the same time the water we need to survive will gradually escape as well.
By the time the Sun uses up the Hydrogen at it's core and swell the Earth will be lifeless. But that's still not going to happen for several hundred million years from today, so there's no need to rush on a global initiative to combat the problem yet. :)
You'll be dead by then so maybe you should first deal with prolonging your lifespan.
The most stupid thing I've read all day. Thanks for the laughs.
that last part was fantastic.
Yet another reason I hate the media.
Correct headline: "Scientist: Sun will fry Earth – in a billion years. Relax."
Actually it will START in a few hundred million, the actually process of our sun turning into a white dwarf takes billions. The article is not clear on this. Not an issue for us personally, and I suspect man will have killed each other off by then anyway.
All you guys that don't believe in God, heaven or hell etc. had better be right!
why? if we are right, then this will happen and humans will have to go elsewhere or we WONT survive.
Would "God" let that happen? So it seems YOU better be right.
If you are concerned about your afterlife and your soul, and you dont believe in God, you had better be right. You might as well just hedge your bet and believe for a few years until you die.
'You might as well just hedge your bet and believe for a few years until you die.'
you may as well hedge your bets and worship all the gods then, just in case.
Have you ever heard of Pascal's wager?
If we spend the next few thousand years on this God fantasy, then that will have been time wasted in figuring out how we could have been traveling to the stars.
Even worse, religious freaks don't care that they're ruining the planet before we have a chance to get somewhere else, because "it's all God's plan", "there's a better afterlife", and "God gave Man command of the planet". With people like that around, we are doomed.
For one thousand years of the Dark Ages, people worried so much about their immortal souls that nothing got done. I think learning that lesson once ought to be enough.
Hey sparky, check again, the Dark Ages lasted roughly 700 years, some have this as low as 400, or as high as 800, depending on what you consider to be the starting date. But generally it is thought of as the 6th-13th centuries.
I'm not so sure the Dark Ages ever really ended.
You had better be praying to the correct gods and be part of the correct religion, or else you are in the same boat as Atheists.
This is a classic argument played by theists and is referred to as Pasca's Wager.
God existence and divine grace can be seen in everything. In fact the entire universe is God's masterpiece. The air we breath, the water we drink, comes from the almighty. Give thanks and praise the lord for the things we have.
Instead of 'which God', ask why not God? Why millions of years of rain on rocks to make a magical primordial soup?
VJ: Why not ask which god? There are so many variations of god and so many denominations it can make your head spin. We can't begin to talk about god unless you define which god you are talking about. Once you define your god then we can talk about your claims.
Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Okay, so this is your opinion. I fully respect your right to your opinion. My opinion is different from yours.
Run along, idiot child. Mommy says it's time to go take your special shower now.
I'm confused – I thought GOD promised Noah he wouldn't destroy the world...
Does this mean there is no GOD?? Or does it just means that he only lives a couple of billion years....
Maybe Christopher Hitchens is right – gee –
(sorry – hehe – had to throw in my weekly troll comment about being an atheist – LOL)
Actually, in the Bible God told Noah he would never destroy the world in the same way again (flood). That's no guarantee it won't be destroyed. In fact, Christians, Hebrews, and Muslims alike expect God to wipe the world out at one point or another with the idea that the "righteous" will be spared. Do your research before you try to bash people's beliefs...
@Ssampson. No. God only promised not to destroy the world again by flood.
Only promised that he wouldn't destroy it by another big flood. If you're going to dis a religion, do it intelligently.
Yeah everyone get your Myths straight! If you can't argue intelligently about stuff that is completely made up you may as well shut up and listen. Bob I've got you back buddy!
God promised Noah that he would not destroy the earth again by flood. Not by fire or from a nuclear holocost!
Pretty pointless promise then isn't it?
It seems a bit like if you were to beat up a child (because he made you mad) and then promise, "I will never beat you up again... with my fist."
Most people would call you a monster for beating up a child in the first place, let alone that you would do it again (fistless or not).
Insert random Uranus joke here. 'Sorry!'
Well we'd better be off the earth when it happens. This is way manned space is so important.
In my opinion, the planet currently named Uranus should be re-named Pluto. Everyone would be happier! The current Pluto could be called Fred or something.
At least it wasn't named Myanus.
Or even worse, Bieber.
This morning, NASA released a news statement saying there will never be a mission to URANUS. It is far to dangerous, due in part, to the crushing gravity of the black hole located in the heart of it and its crappy terrain.
In fact, it is surrounded by brown smog. Quite unpleasant to breath!
Anyone who has been to school and paid attention should know what happens to Earth in a few billion years. Science is already looking for a new planet to call home and building the technology to get there. That will happen in the next couple of hundred years or at least long after we are dust so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Boy, it's a good thing they're figuring that out now. We've only got a few billion years to move out.
I am making a reservation through Travelocity right now.......
I almost spit out my coffee... thanks for the hysterical laughter you provided me :)
Anyone who has been to school knows the 2nd law of thermodynamics applies to everything we see. That woyuld preclude the billions of years scientists think have already elapsed. The earth's magentic field, ozone layer, and many more protective layers would have deteriorated after a billion years, and life wouldve ceased to exist. Also, the sun is getting smaller and the moon is getting further away, also precluding the billions of years theory.
Anyone who has been to school knows the second law of thermodynamics only applies to "closed" or "isolated" systems. Not "everything we see."
Ah look another pseudointellectual! See kids, this is what happens when you supplement wikipedia for a real education.
This poor misguided fool is actually wrong not once but twice.
1st, the 2nd law of thermodynamics only applies to CLOSED SYSTEMS. When talking about entire planets, one is discussing an OPEN system. So the first place you are wrong is, on a planetary scale, we are discussing an open system, and as such one must factor in the rest of the universe (or in this case more specifically, the sun)
This brings me to how you are wrong again! The 2nd law of thermodynamics DOES hold up, because the LOSS of entropy within the earth is OFFSET by the GAIN of entropy FROM THE SUN! Hence why our sun will "burn out" one day.
Stay in school kids!
'Anyone who has been to school knows the 2nd law of thermodynamics applies to everything we see. That woyuld preclude the billions of years scientists think have already elapsed.'
wait, wait, so you are a young earther to boot as well? oh thats so funny
So does vj's post prove he has not been to school?
No, it just proves that education is rather hit or miss. In vj's case, total miss.
vj doesn't even understand the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and yet he feels the need to come on the internet and pretend that he does. Why is that?
Because he/she is an "armchair expert", one who has no real education and (incorrectly) believes a quick google or wikipedia search can somehow supplement decades worth of real study. That PhD's in physics could have hung their hats and called it a day if they had simply wikipedia'd the "2nd law of thermodynamics" is something only a fool would believe.
The internet and the information age unfortunately also created a subculture of pseudointellecutalism, where individuals fool themselves into believing their snippets of information obtained from various google and wikipedia searches is somehow a supplement for a real education, and more curiously, they also believe they are in fact in possession of superior knowledge compared to those who DO have an education.
So where's the news??? We've known this since I was a kid and I'm not exactly a "spring chicken". CNN is just adding fuel to the doomsday fire. The next thing you know, they'll actually predict the zombie apocalypse.
You are looking at the wrong website if you want real news. CNN stopped doing that years ago. I don't know if there is a reputable news source anymore. They are all colored by political and social prejudices and rarely report the straight facts without a slant.
Garden variety moron. g-dub, stop being retired with my initials.
You guys should be worried about GOD. He could do what ever he wants. If we are obedient to him he will not do any of these bad things of what you talking about. How did you came up with this theory.
You've got to be kidding me.
Unfortunately, I don't believe he is kidding. He's been taught to believe in magic and fantasy since he was a child, and he's not ready to let reality get in the way of his dream that there's an invisible skydaddy watching over him.
Hector, please prove that god exist. Then we can talk. Until then, you are talking about nothing more than a fairy tale.
Instead of asking people to prove God's existence all the time, why don't you provide proof that He doesn't exist?
Southern, you can't prove nonexistence. For example, I can't prove that unicorns don't exist. Critical thinking is a terrific thing.
Jhastr: Prove that God DOESN'T exist, please... I don't think you can prove without a doubt that He doesn't. Just like I can't prove He does. That's why it's called a "leap of faith."
And all of this science is a leap of faith, too, in many ways. How does this guy know what's going to happen and when? When was the last time he SAW a star die, first hand? He's basing all of these things on information that he sees through a telescope that have traveled millions of light years to us. What are we really seeing? Do we really know? It would be stupid of us to really take all this conjecture as true fact and swallow it hook, line, and sinker.
If you chose to believe this man and his ideas, it's no different than believing that God does or doesn't exist. We sample data and make our best guess. It's all we can do. And I'm not saying that all scientists are wrong, nor am I saying that this guy in particular is wrong. I'm just saying that you are choosing to believe in his hypothesis, and that is no different than choosing to believe in God. Both are based upon limited evidence and personal interpretation.
If anything, scientist who present their ideas as true fact without any admission of the possibility that they are wrong are just modern version of the religious zealots of old (or present). As one of my favorite 80's bands, Living Colour, said in one of their songs, "...science and technology, the new mythology..."
Jesus Christ, eternal – it's called 'math' and 'experimentation' and all kinds of crazy things you're apparently not familiar with.
Because you can't prove a negative. Can't really prove anything when you get down to it. Also if you ignore the line of philosophy that says we are simply in a dream, and you accept that we live in a verifiable, natural world then you have our current existence as is. Religious or spiritual people go one step further and propose a supernatural existence or world that is beyond the natural. The decision to do that is a personal one, and to each their own. But in pure logical terms, I'd like to know where people get the evidence to support that induction of reason.
You are incorrect. You can prove the absence of something. For example, the absence of air in a vacuum by noting changes in the way objects fall through space. That sort of thing. So don't be all sarcastic and start chiding people for not thinking critically if you're not going to really do it yourself.
I think the point is that you can't prove the existence of God. But you can't prove the absence of a God either.
And just for the record, I thought Hector's comment really shallow and actually rather odd. If there is a God, how are we to know what He will and won't do? We may all behave, follow Him, and then he'll whisk us away to heaven and still allow the earth to be burnt to a cinder by the sun. And then again, maybe not! Who knows how that will all happen? Hector certainly doesn't know!
And Sam, for someone who talks about critical thinking, experimentation, math, data, empirical evidence, and all that sort of thing, you're throwing around an awful lot of personal judgments on people's ability to think and understand science that you have no evidence for. Your responses are as shallow as Hector's, really...
For all you know, I could be a physicist or another kind of scientist myself! You don't know the level of my intelligence; I could be Forrest Gump or Stephen Hawking and you wouldn't have a clue. Insulting people like you do is very telling, my friend, because it only exposes your own deficiencies. I wouldn't make any judgements like that about your scientific knowledge, because I don't know you. But you seem more interested in insulting people as opposed to dealing with the actual discussion. Very telling, indeed.
But of, course this the Internet, so who needs to be nice or have manners, right? I forgot about that part...
I love these posts. You don't understand the math and science around determining how long stars live, and so it must be hokum. This falls right in line with the Bush-era education push on "Intellectual Design". This philosophy (not theory) is based on the concept that "... the universe is so vast and complex that we cannot comprehend. Therefore, it must have been created by a God." This is a philosophy – not a theory. A theory is based on emperical evidence although the outcome is not yet concluded. For example: Darwin's theory on evolution. The Bush Administration offered this other philosophy to satiate the religious sect. (That means "to satsfy" in case you don't have a vocab as well as lacking math skills.)
The irony: the Intellectual Design philosophy was proposed by a man who had a "C" average in college.
Great point! If you cannot see something, it does not exist. I love that line of thought! Your world must be absolutely fascinating. You don't breathe (because you cannot see air), wind has no meaning (for the same reason), your car must be transparent so that you can see the gas run through the motor, and every step must be a thrilling adventure (since you don't know what is below your feet).
Your parents must be so proud. Wait ... you don't really have parents, do you? After all, you didn't actually see them create you ...
Your sky faery does not exist. If he did, he would certainly not care about this little insignificant speck of the universe. We are so small and irrelevant its impossible to describe
It's His Creation, we can't be that insignificant.
We're very insignificant. It's this idiot notion that we're special that keeps causing so many of our social problems.
lol, you're serious? There is no god. brainwashed morons are told there is a god so they will lead their lives in a good way. people need to rely on themselves and not some story book. wake up you idiots.
Physics tells us that the Universe does not exist, it is all in your mind. That is standard quantum mechanics, not in doubt. But that leaves you with a dramatic choice: those other "people" out there – they (or rather their minds) are not real? Just part of YOUR dream? You are faced with a choice: solipsism, which I reject, or, yes, God. I pick God.
Laughing at the majority has not been a wise idea throughout the centuries. Be glad you live in this time period.
It really cracks me up to see people get so hostile. I believe in God. You can call me an idiot all day long and it means nothing. If I am wrong (which I know I am not) then when I die what difference does it make? I have lived my life in peace knowing God. If I am wrong well not really a big deal right? What is the worst that has happened to me believing in God? Nothing. When terrible things happen I find more peace how is that bad? When good things happen I am more thankful. How is that bad? I don't belong to a some religious cult where I give my money away. I respect everyone's beliefs/lifestyle. So really I don't see how I am losing out one way or the other. So be blessed!
Jam – then you are not the problem. The problem is the religious fanatics that wage war and kill for their religion.
This is hilarious! Where is your next show?
No. Bad Hector. Go stand in the corner.
Hector, I appreciate your sarcasm and had a good chuckle. Thanks.
Hector it is called S C I E N C E. Your god created humans to have free will and a brain. Why do you keep denying yourself the ability to make life better by using yours.
The guy gives an awesome interview, and the pick out the one fact known by anybody who has ever passed science class in third grade – that the sun will become a red giant in a few billion years and swallow the Earth.
Clearly it was news to them.
Hopefully, by then mankind will have developed the technology to leave the Earth and emigrate to a new planet with a very young sun. Our space program is already hard at work trying to identify candidate planets. So, I remain optimistic for the human race.
All stars will die, though, at some point. If your intention is to preserve humanity, we simply need to develop a self-sustaining system that we could fly to a a distant, safe place. A total biosphere in a spaceship, which would incidentally also have to produce enough matter that we could run a power plant to keep the lights on.
In my opinion, a well funded biosphere project housed in a massive spaceship is not beyond our own technology. We can grow plants under artificial lights. We can go anywhere in space – it just takes a long time.
Oh yes, they better work really hard like you said. They only have a few billion years to figure it out.
The comments suggest that 'billion' is a figure that many people find hard to comprehend.
0.0 you do know that we have absolutely any way to get to even the closet star much less a star system that has a planetary system. Stop dreaming and go outside and play.
I know EXACTLY how we can stop this. We can SET FIRE TO THE SUN!!! That will show it!
The human race will be extinct in far less than 6 billion years. A huge asteroid will strike us way before that happens. do not worry be happy.
The human race will have led to its own demise long before any asteroid strikes earth.
Have you heard of evolution? 6 Billion years is enough to evolve an animal which would be so different from what we have today that it would not be recognized as a Human. Sure there may not be any humans but there will surely be our ancestor or "cousin"
Yay Jason! He attend's Tony's Youtube channel sometimes and is great to listen to.
http://www.youtube.com/feed/UCQkLvACGWo8IlY1-WKfPp6g in case you're interested in astronomy
perfect. no sense in going into the office on Monday then.
The sun will fry us? Not if we strike first, bro. Sounds like a job for the Marines. What the heck am I paying taxes for?
Absolutely agree. We can follow the marine strike force with a nuclear missile barrage. Fight fusion with fission.
I like clever humor:)
Well the plan of attact will be when the sun is vulnerable at Night!
Yeah, a night attack is perfect! The Sun will never see us coming!
Research about our solar system is a very important job. What things in your research helped you find out that this will happen to the sun? I think it will happen, but I hope you're right that it is a LONG time away, because it doesn't sound fun!
"Fortunately for us, this won’t happen for several billions of years."
Key sentence to remember.
DJS – folks like you need not worry.
In that case, would our death be called "due to natural causes"
So many religions are going to fry when the Earth fries and is cremated by the sun. Many religions say cremating is sinful. Guess were all sinners then.
yes we all are ... "All have fallen short of the Glory of God" ... that is why we need a Savior. Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sins and gives us righteousness ... all we need to do is believe in Him and repent of our sins.
Oh, geeze. Give me a break.
no no no... this jesus fella gave you folks SELF righteousness
Jesus was just a man and quite possibly never existed at all. It's a dog eat dog world i'm afraid.
You never get even a little bit tired of listening to the sound of your own voice, do you?
Jesus – screwed by an abusive father.
Is that you Griswold?
I wonder if there will be a final smackdown among our planet's gods just before the end? Like a giant supernatural cage match. Whatever replaces ESPN could carry it, whatever replaces Hulk Hogan could referee. Winner gets the universe and a suitable trophy. Copies of the trophy could be set up in various places around the world to give the remaining few people something physical to worship.
ROUND ONE - FIGHT!!!
Now that's what I call Global Warming.
Humans' lust for self-destruction will beat the sun's frying rays! Hooray!
Humans have been talking about the end of the world since humans have been around. YAWN
There is a theory that by the time the sun goes into this state, that it will also have less gravitational pull and due to this the Earth may actually travel further out from the Sun and not meet this fate of being engulfed... although it probably will.
Tim, you are bang on the money; that's also basic physics which we learned in high school. By Kalaria's own work: "Based on my research on “stellar mass loss,” the sun itself will lose about 45% of its mass through this process. " Too bad he didn't follow up with a comment about how the earth's orbit will increase dramatically due to the reduced gravitational attraction from the sun. That mass will be burned off gradually, and the earth's orbit will increase gradually, so the earth being fried is actually doubtful.
Sorry, the expansion comes before the mass loss. Basic stellar astronomy.
And what's the projected energy output from this weakened sun? Enough to prevent the Earth from becoming a ball of ice as it moves farther away?
Ummm the Earth would then freeze as the loss of solar radiation... nevermind.....
Such a shame he disn't stop to think about who created it everything that is made requires a maker things don't make themselves though I don't understand how God has always been there it s far more acceptable that he exists and more logical because if you think all this happened by accident to support life and the whole universe was made without a creator you my friend have a lot of faith.
You do realize this is the 21st century? Those antiquated theories are the problem with humanity today. Its time to look at reality. Just because your afraid of the truth doesnt mean its NOT true. But it's okay to believe what you want...just dont hurt anyone else with it...
Keep thinking that, i guess the delusional really are the happiest because they get to make up their own reality for themselves to feel nice and comfy in
show me the problem with that outlook dude.
ever heard of the logical fallacy called 'false dichotomy'?
that's what your arguments presents
nobody needs to believe either a) a or multiple gods are responsible for the creation of the universe, or b) it's an accident
it's as plausible to believe that our universe is as necessary as your god is
there is nothing crazy about that
of course, there are other options, but i think your bias prevents you from caring about alternative views
enjoy your Christian worldview and your divine dictator
The paradox of omnipotence:
1) Is there anything god cannot create?
2) Is there any feat god cannot do?
3) Can god create a boulder so heavy he cannot lift it?
If you answer "yes" to #3 you acknowledge that god has limitations.
If you answer "no" to #3, then either 1 or 2 must be a "yes", and you acknowledge god has limitations.
Once you realize something has limits, you begin to realize it is not as powerful as you think.....
The better one is this: If everything that exists requires a creator then who created God? The answer is normally that God has always existed. But is shows a counter example to the "everything must have been created" statement. All one needs in one counter example to disprove a general statement.
If you allow something as complex as a god to "always exist" why not allow other things to always exist? We no longer have a general statement because of the one exemption so there may be other exceptions that we don't know about.
It is OK to believe what you like but it is impossible to use logic to get there or to support it. That is why they call it "faith". If such believes could be supported b logic then faith would not be needed. What I just said really is the mainstream view. BTW your logic is flawed because it make an unstated assumption that is unsupported, that either of two things must be the case, why not four cases or one or 12 or infinity?
It's not always OK to believe want you want. Jonestown, David Koresh, and Hale Bopp anyone? Those actions were based on beliefs.
It's funny how you guys are trying to explain the fallacy to the OP when it's clear by their writing that they are basically stupid and will never understand.
Phazon, people created punctuation long ago and I suggest you use it. Following that, check your content and you may see that your mythical creator has no creator. Dare, for a few moments, to consider our universe and all existence to be defined solely by matter and energy.
It's more 'logical'? Really? Is it more 'logical' to believe that a huge (huge) explosion occurred that sent particles flying at fantastic speeds out into 'space' which eventually coalesced into atoms, molecules, gas, dust and finally galaxies, stars, solar systems, etc over BILLIONS of years. Or, that suddenly an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent living being popped into existence instantaneously when there was NOTHING around, and then it created everything else? If you think the latter is 'logical', you need to do some studying on logic. In addition, current theoretical physics is leaning towards the concept that there are billions of universes, and ours is simply one of many, many probabilities. It would be like looking at a grain of sand in your hand and saying that some special set of events caused that specific grain of sand to be in your specific hand for some specific reason vs. saying that out of the billions of people and trillions of grains of sand, the one in your hand was just a result of chance and probability. Logic. Real logic. Learn it, use it, be it.
Some homework for you.
Does logic also dictate to you that you ignore conclusions drawn from observations and experiments that contradict a poor translation of a badly flawed text?
Is your faith so fragile that it can stand no scrutiny or criticism?
Does accepting that the words in said text might be allegorical in some places undermine the overall truth of the message?
Does the fact that the doctrine of biblical inerrancy was formulated over the last two centuries and not codified until the 1978 Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy invalidate all the works of theologists who did not believe in inerrancy, including Martin Luther?
Such a shame you are ignorant.
In the time that I read about the ever-slowly mutations of the Sun, Gen Allen, commander of all forces in Afghanistan, sent 794 emails to socialites! Go Team !
I blame the GOP.
It's Bush's fault.
Its Obama's fault.
just take a bath in some spf 50. you be ok
Make that SPF 50,000,000.
Not news. I learned this 10 years ago in Astro 101 at a state college. Come on CNN.... NOT HOMEPAGE NEWS.
Elizabeth, get a life.
Wow, that makes you seem so much smarter and better than the rest of us. Being superior must be a real chore, yet here you are, telling us all how smart you are. That's just the kind of thing super informed brilliant people like yourself do.
I thought everyone learned this in high school...
Oh, look Elizabeth already knows all about this, everyone, so this shouldn't be up at all for others to see. Such a joke.
You're really concerned about story placement?
Perhaps you would have been better served at a school that taught good manners and respect for your fellows.
Oh, well since you know then I suppose the rest of the world can go without this knowledge, or any other knowledge for that matter. I mean, if Elizabeth knows then whats the rush. The rest of the world can sit around licking rocks because Elizabeth has Astrol 101 on lock. Grab some pine NASA, Liz has got this. She took a class in comminity college, or something.
Only guys can be d-bags – Myth busted
I already knew about this, but I read the article anyways because it is just simply fascinating. The #1 reason I read it is to read these comments which is throughoutly entertaining and sometimes even informative
Hey COW, why didn't you tell us then???
Me too. Sadly, that likely puts us in the upper echelon of understanding how the universe works. Most people rely on their parents, who are equally unknowing, or a black leather book that starts with a "B"...
...I suppose there is no such thing as "Time"..and it was just invented to keep order in the world...if you take away the sun and solar system and observe there is no gravity, no up, no down...all we have left is the Moment...so Remember, Be Here NOW ...in the moment...
No worries. Humans will have destroyed this planet (and likely human existence) prior to the sun frying it.
Destroid da pwanet. You guys are so cute.
Barack is already frying us with his useless policies.
Pitiful. And tiresomely predictable.
Yeah, I HATE that saving lives with health care thing....
yea i agree, probly should pack an overnight bag just in case.
I'd like to go to Hawaii to do research and collect data. Must be nice.
Humans will fry and destroy the Earth long before the Sun has a chance.
Wrong! Earth will shake man off like a bad cold.
Then maybe you should've have majored in science.
I did. Poultry Science. :-(
I majored in science, too. Animal Husbandry. But they caught me at it one day.
Physicists at the Sarah Palin Galactic Observatory / Bait Shop are planning to land on the sun towards the end of this decade. Sarah Palin herself has explained to skeptics that the landing will take place at night when the sun is much cooler.
Well played. Bravo!
*Groan* Tired old joke...and Palin is so last decade. You should see a professional about your obsession.
You should see someone about your negative disposition. Lighten up!
LOL! Great post. Thanks for the chuckle.
LMAO!!!!! That has to be the post of the week!!
Not really needed, she can see the sun from her back yard.
Please tell me that she is going to take, Newt, Donald T. Rush, Hanidy, O'Rielly, O'heck, the list is too big. Just say they are all going with her.
Yes, Just Me. There is plenty of room for all of them in the 'Palin Space Trailer'. After all, it is a double-wide.
What's it like being stuck in 2008?
Aren't there some nascar reruns you should be watching?
There are millions of people stuck in 2008, some with hang ups far more serious than palintwit.
Thanks for this bit of news. Ms. Palin obviously has quite a bit of experience with the sun because it shines on Alaska– almost every day? Is she planning to make the trip in person?
Yes. She wants to be the first person to plant a flag on the surface of the sun.
So "Jesus" is coming back in a billion years or so ... when the Sun is about to fry us?! LOL
Who? Lol. Oh you mean, the illerate, peasant,who suffered hallucination's and thought he was a prophet like, so many others in that time frame.
"Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. Isaiah 65:17
'At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before '
"And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment."
Jesus came back from the dead because he abhors actuaries.
Very interesting. I was somewhat taken aback by his description of 13,000 foot elevation as a "harsh" environment to observe from though – there are those of us who hike and climb at greater elevations! :)
Acclimatization and drinking plenty of water at such elevations are of course very important.
why would you be 'taken back". For the vast majority of people that is a "harsh" environment. No need to be such a braggart
Well, keep in mind that these people are spending days and weeks at 13,000 feet. It's really cold and the air is thin. This isn't to say people don't adjust to it but they're not really there to climb a mountain (in fact they drive to the peak). They're there to work and the impact of environment can be problematic. Imagine living for a week at the top of Pike's Peak and solving calculus problems all day. I was there a few years ago for a few hours and it hits you – especially as an academic who doesn't spend a lot of time at high elevations.
Seriously,stop acting so important.
Mauna Kea is the 6th highest peak in the United States. The handul of people hiking or climbing at a higher elevations would be doing so at or near the tops of Mt Whitney, Mt Elbert, Mt Rainier or Gannett Peak, and 6500' below the summit of Mt McKinley.
Let's not put things off until the last minute. We need to start colonizing other star systems now.
Maybe it needs to be figured out how interstellar travel is even possible before you can even begin to contemplate colonizing other star systems.
"Dear Earth: Sukkas! Love, God"
Nice headline. Unfortunately it's known to anyone with even a layman's understanding of the cosmos, that one day the sun will swell and swallow the earth.
This is not "news."
You are mistaken. The Sun will not swallow the Earth. It's out layers will get close enough to the Earth to cook it like Mercury (which will be swallowed). But it won't completely eradicate the Earth.
Lol, you must not be living in the USA, because most people I know here wouldn't have a clue of this
Really? You must not have went to school. I went to public school and I learned about this. In Virginia, no less.
Ryan, that was a small portion of the article. It's mostly about an astronomer and his work. I'm sorry if this wasn't interesting to you but life is full of little disappointments.
Our species, or possibly another intelligent species that supersedes us will probably start tampering with the sun long before this happens.
'Another intelligent species'? Oxymoron alert!
So tired of the CNN bashers – if you don't like the site, then please go away (or, at least, please stop commenting).
This piece is not "news" and isn't intended to be so. There is a "News" tab at the top of the page. Please feel free to go there for articles more closely aligned to what you want. This story is to introduce you to some of the folks who are important in their fields, what got them started, what shaped them, what keeps them excited about what they do, etc. It is interesting and possibly inspirational to folks who are interested in this field (especially the kids).
I agree that the headline is poor and misrepresentative of the article, but please move past the "if it's on the CNN website, it must be news" perception.
If you are only looking for news, please stay in the "News" section.
So...very...TRUE...this topic is one of the best examples of the eternal sensationalism the media will be employing 'til the very day everything really DOES fry...or whatever...the apology in the headline infers timely subj. matter, but everyone with enough 'common sense' to blow their nose, with any perspective (faith, science, futurism, prognostication, prophecy) will easily see the headline SHOULD have read: "Sun Will Fry Earth in the Far Too Distant Future to have any Real Bearing on Anything or Anyone Now Alive–'Sorry, All you Distantly Future People'".
Since we're talking about OUR sun, maybe we should also call this one 'Yellow' Journalism–HA! ANYONE?! ANYONE!?
HAHA! HAHAHA! HAAAaaaaaaaacrap, IswearsometimesIthinkImayberetarded.
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