By Elizabeth Landau, CNN
Will the Mars rover Curiosity catch a glimpse of a manned spaceship in this decade? That could be even more exciting than the gray powder it found by drilling.
A nonprofit organization called the Inspiration Mars Foundation is hosting a press conference next week in which plans for a trip to Mars and back will be revealed. The proposed launch date is January 2018, and the venture is called "Mission for America."
The press release doesn't explicitly state that the mission is manned, but it does say that the organization "is committed to accelerating America's human exploration of space as a critical catalyst for future growth, national prosperity, new knowledge and global leadership."
The leader of this effort is millionaire Dennis Tito, who's no stranger to space travel. He spent $20 million to jaunt up to the International Space Station in 2001, making him the first private space traveler.
Tito wasn't an especially young space voyager then; he was 60 when he visited the space station. The entrepreneur used to work for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in the early 1960s, charting flight paths for Mariner probes built to orbit Mars.
His organization's new idea is to get to Mars and back in 501 days. The official description is as follows:
This "Mission for America" will generate new knowledge, experience and momentum for the next great era of space exploration. It is intended to encourage all Americans to believe again in doing the hard things that make our nation great, while inspiring youth through Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) education and motivation.
There's no word yet on where the money will come from, or how the potential space traveler(s) would survive the journey.
We will learn more about this plan at a press conference planned for Wednesday at the National Press Club.
More: What we've done on Mars, and what's next
This website makes Kickstarter look organized.
I'll set up a website for $20 bucks, too. Now I'm just as much a space pioneer as you are.
You don't have to like the website. A NASA worker gave me the link, and said he was considering applying. I argued against it.
Apparently you didn't follow the last bullet point under "Creativity/Resourcefulness" which states "You are aware of different forms of creativity." You fail. No mission for you.
Too many of todays websites are stuffed with every bell and whistle they can find. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. I, for one, can appreciate the clean look of the Mars-One website.
Got to love these people, along with that shuttle idiot kelly they have no idea what they are doing every time they push one of these things into space to the ozone layer.
What a waste of money. Wait until we balance the budget please.
It's private money.
You need to read the last 4 lines. Knucklehead
@XCopy – You need to read the entire article. It is a private venture. Regardless of whether they know how they will fund it, it is still going to be private money.
"You need to read the last 4 lines. Knucklehead"
You need to read the entire article. Knucklehead.
First, go to moon if they can
While it's supposedly privately funded, it'll actually never get funded. The costs are going to be in the 10's of billions, if not 100's of billions, and there is no guarantee that the mission will even be a success. From a business standpoint the risk is just too high even though there will likely be several patents that come out of the research/development leading up to such a mission.
A manned mission to Mars will require government funding and will likely have to be an international effort. The USA isn't really committed to funding NASA and other countries aren't going to commit either. We're far more interested in blowing things up and feeding corruption.
Same thing was said when Columbus sailed the ocean blue. Turned out pretty good for most of us mius the natives.
We should make friends initially with the martians and then leave. We can then return after about a year or so and they will all be dead from smallpox, flu, ear/nose/throat infection. It IS GONNA ROCK baby.
I hear it is cold there, we can hook 'em up with some ebola blankets as well.
This just shows the stupidity of people.. Are you aware that basically all the electronic gismos including the personal computer were born because of the mission to mars? It spurred a technology growth.. It was the start of the personal computer.. Do you have any clue how long it would have been for the PC to be born if not for the mission to the moon and billions spent all thanks to IBM and the tax payers? Any Idea how many trillions of dollars that has made for the economy since then? Also in this case it is going to be funded privately... That is basically what Newt Gingrich was trying to say when he ran but he took the assumption the american people would know he was referring to technology growth as well as inspirational growth during a time of hardship we are facing. It would have created government jobs and sustainability.. Something the current administration knows NOTHING about. Actually I am pretty sure Obama doesn't even know the word sustainability even exists let alone the meaning
you started off so well but then had to end it with some pin head nonsense comment about Obama
You all most had me siding with you. until you just had to shove me through the looking glass into the underworld of Fox and friends!
He's got a great point. And he's just emotional about the Obama thing I wouldve voted for Obama(If I was an American) only because he's the lesser of two evils. But I don't think he's doing a good job. now it could be the obstructionists, But if it were, I feel he would be more vocal about it, especially dirung the election. But this guy is right. The space race launched our economy.
You start off by calling people stupid, and then you say the personal computer came from missions to Mars. You do realize that we've never been to Mars, correct?
But, like you said, this just show the "stupidity" of people.
mission to mars????? please explain
OUT FOX EM: Or should I call you 'MSNBC TROLL'. Seriously? You don't think we've orbited and landed machines on Mars?
read widow's post the mariner space mission/probe google it
If Gingrich had gotten his way he would have run up the deficit the same way Bush thought a war would stimulate the economy, only to tank it, and then loose-screwed lunatics like you turn around about bemoan Obama running up the deficit, though he ended the war that ran the deficit up. you morons are just too freaking rich. Thank God your kind is dying out. .
"widow" wrote: "Are you aware that basically all the electronic gismos including the personal computer were born because of the mission to mars?"
Are you sure you don't mean the Apollo LUNAR missions?
While widow probably should have referred to the lunar missions, her statements resonate the truth in all other senses. The silliness of people to skip over much of the article and not realize it will be privately funded just speaks to their education or attention level. As far as the politics, Republicans & Democrats are rich alike, and like to keep it that way, just in what ever manner suits them best - every hear of WHITEWATER? Slick Willy (Bill Clinton for you young ones) made millions off of crap. Be careful of throwing rocks when you live in a glass house. BOTTOM LINE – The rich want to keep the middle & lower class down just as it has gone on for hundreds of years going back to medieval times, just not as barbaric, but still as effective!
Sir you are the stupidity, there is no such thing as mars. Mars is chocolate.
What an absurd comment. First of all, this is private money. Secondly, the idea that there should be no scientific discovery or exploration until the budget is balanced to your standards is ridiculous. Third, I'm sure you support higher taxes and ending corporate handouts so the budget can be balanced, right? Probably not, so stop whining about it until you are serious. Thanks.
What an extremely sad and ignorant thing to say. I can only hope that you don't have children.
I haven't seen any adequate justification for the costs and risks. What could a manned visit accomplish that a robot can't? I assume this would be US funding.
A robot can only find what it's programmed to find and it has a very limited set of tools on top of that. Humans, on the other hand, can take a look around and immediately spot something of interest. Even with humans remotely controlling the rovers it's very limited in what it can look at considering the length of time it takes to move them around, analyze specimens, send/receive transmissions, and going through the data. There is really no comparison between a robot and a human explorer (say a geologist). A human explorer would be FAR more productive.
Having said that it's probably too soon for a manned mission to Mars. The costs are going to be astronomical and there isn't a whole lot to really gain from a manned mission at this point. The only reason we should be going to Mars is to if we're serious about establishing a base there, and we just don't have the technology to cost effectively transport materials. At some point in the future we could send "robots" to build structures using local materials, but we're a long way from even having that capability.
The chances of this being privately funded are slim to none. The cost will be in the 10 of billions, if not hundreds of billions.
A: Provate money
B: Exploration is key to being human.
C: Learn fool!
Crawl back in your cave Frank. Leave progress to the rest of us.
What a bad joke: "Wait 'till we balance the budget...."
Uh, yeah, it's private money. The way it -should- be. I guess.
"Balance the budget ?" PLEASE !....
That would take decades – if they EVER accomplish it (yeah, right !) , we and our kids would be long gone from this world and we would never see the Mars mission accomplished in our lifetime.
By the way, it's PRIVATE FUNDING !
Well actually it it not a waste in money. If you do a little research on the subject you will know that investing in space also produces technologies for us on earth. The mission to the moon in the 60's put 100's of new technologies like cordless power tools and MRI's. Also the funding for NASA and the space program in 1/10 of 1 penny of every tax dollar the government takes in so if you want to cut the budget there are better places to cut it.
the prob is that i bet that the diehard liberal/demoturd is probably one who believes that hole moon landing thing was faked and that everything that "supposedly" came out of it, somehow just mysteriously appeared. They cannot believe that anything good comes out of space research/development. (no matter who does it .. the gov and/or private sector).. they would rather see that money gobbled up by the gov to help provide more handouts to those who don't need it.
Can you read?
Yes we should spend our money on much more important things, such as multi million dollar jets that can't fly.
Regardless of how much money is spent on this mission, it is not wasted. Every dollar spent on the mission is spend here on earth and spent back into the global economy rather than being hoarded in a bank account. The only thing we loose in the event of mission failure is the physical resources and lives put into the mission. The spacecraft, technology and people going on the mission are the only things at risk of waste. The private wealth implied in this article will transfer from wealthy bank accounts down through businesses that provide the resources and materials for this mission to be possible. Those businesses spend some of that money to pay their employees, who spend their money in the grocery stores and McDonalds and other menial wage job providing businesses, so in the end the money is not "wasted", it is merely redistributed down to recirculate through the economy like it is suposed to and will eventually end back up in some wealthy bank account to wait to fund the next venture.
What they need is to get some Mexicans on Mars. They'd have that place read for colonization in half the time at half the price!
Orale Cabron! you're right on the money.
This is real. I saw the weblink. They are not yet accepting applicants, and they said it will be a one way trip. As in, the people will live their lives out on Mars, making a colony. They are accepting ages 18 to 40. They want to knwo what an applicant can add to the program.
This is not real. You have no real sponsors. You have no rocket.
at what point did she say anything about it being her mission? It IS a real effort and it has received national and international attention. It IS credible. It is not, however, the same mission that this article is talking about. Is it really that hard to believe that there's more than just an excentric billionaire trying to get to another planet?
You are thinking of a completely different program I believe.
I am 63, too old to go. But if it is a one-way trip, before I left, I would want to see them land two supply ships withing 1 mile of each other.
If it's private money...go ahead whether it's in the time frame alloted or not.....if they can get to Mars then frig it and go....LIfe is an adventure...and I would like to see something great like this in my lifetime.....
I think they had better plan an unmanned mission and see if they can bring it back to Earth safely. Unless they are planning on using people with terminal diseases so they don't have to bring them back.
Im healthy, single, only 25, and be willing to go for free. When jan 2018 comes il be 29, il have a birthday 2 months after that which would be great publicity for them and be a great present for me. If something happens to me no extra cost to them, If i make it back I can make a living off my story and media. Win win for both sides
The New World wasn't settled by people only with terminal diseases.
We all have a "terminal disease". The question is how you want to spend the time you have left. Apparently you would spend your remaining years on your couch hoping nothing ever happens to you.
Such global things as future growth, national prosperity, new knowledge and global leadership don`t depend on what we do for space explorations...goverment must pay more attention on social neccesseries!
You are so completely and totally wrong its hilarious. ALL of those things are linked to scientific explorations of space. I would beg you to consider that you are ignorant on the topic.
Did you hear that Mariya? Professor Moron, internet Ph.d, told you you're wrong. Don't you feel bad?
Did you hear that Mariya? Professor M0ron, internet Ph.d, told you you're wrong. Don't you feel bad?
You can spend all your life on space explorations and find nothing in the end!!! There are lot`s of interesting things what you can explore on our planet!!!Look around)
there are rocks floating out in space.. that are miles arcoss made of nearly pure iron.. other rocks with gold, nickle, you name it. pretty much every metal we grub at the earth for.. can be found floating out in the astroid belt..
Just think what bringing just one mile or two astroid made of iron back to earth would do for the world.. that one rock could feed the worlds need for metal for what a year? two?
why waste time grubbing at the ground for what little we can find.. when millions upon millions of tons of pretty much very metal, ore humanity could ever want or need.. are floating around in space?
You've watched to much Star Wars and Star Trek. The USA has abandoned its NASA program for more economical endeavors.
This administration is in campaign mode 24/7 and not really interested in science or technology beyond lip service to the sheeple. They cancelled the Constellation program, cancelled two wars (good thing), and raised taxes only to redistribute those funds to the 47% that are just to lazy to work. The kind of people that sit around smoke weed all day, collect welfare, food stamps, disability, Obama phones, etc.
The days of the USA being a world leader in space exploration, science, technology, learning and a motivated populace are long over. We have become a nation of fat lazy, wimps.
A solid majority of the current social prosperity in the 1st world was BUILT on exploitation of resources in new territories and markets and the technologies and discoveries made during that journey.
It WASN'T built on liberal arts and 'looking at the beauty of nature'.
Liberal arts give us the foundation to critically think and become great scientists. This is why good education includes a foundation of music, painting, reading and thought lessons. This is what successful adults received from childhood through high school.
Given that government projects for NASA (g-force, solar shields) let to private industry selling "memory foam" and "transitions sunglasses", amongst plenty of other goodies, government has always been involved in helping the "free market". So it's just more than taxpayer-funded subsidies...
Most of our new knowledge, and a lot of our national (and international) prosperity can be directly linked to the space program. Everything that utilizes or involves miniaturized electronics and computers grew directly out of the space program. If a material is very light-weight, fire-retardant, or is an excellent insulator it can probably trace it's lineage straight to a NASA program.
And just where is it that all the money spent and invested in techniques, information, and hardware for the space program goes? Was it spent in outer space? No, it was spent right here. It was employing tens of thousands of people. It was pumped into hundreds of local economies, and used to clothe, feed, shelter, and educate even more tens of thousands of family members.
If you wanted to, you could call NASA one of the most successful jobs programs in history.
Put a man on Mars but we can't stop illegal immigration.
i think you may be looking at that question backwards.
if the incredible vastness and terrible hazards of space cant stop mans desire to go wherever he want .......how could a few guys in uniform and a fence in the dessert?
For those whining about the cost: Without Man's attraction and need for adventure and exploration you would still be living in a grass hut in Africa. It is not only part of our being, but it is necessary to our survival.
RIGHT ON! Thanks.
Exploration is fine, but why not have save the cost of human exploration for when there's something that REQUIRES a human? Fantasies about terra-forming Mars are just that ... utter fantasies. Terra-forming requires creating an atmosphere. Mars has no atmosphere because it is a dead planet; it's core can no longer generate a magnetic field to repel the solar wind that blew away the atmosphere it once had.
If scientific knowledge is what we're after, then robotic explorers can get more science and knowledge for far less cost. And we don't have to have a national day of mourning when a robotic explorer "dies" en route to its destination or crashes on arrival. The truth is, we can barely keep the ISS in orbit what with all the repairs and maintenance it constantly needs. Once a human inhabited craft leaves for Mars, its occupants will be sh!t out of luck if any major problems develop.
terraforming mars is not a fantasy it is possible it would just take a very long time (like 100 – 200 years) and a lot of money but it is physically possible
We can drill down to the core and use a giant nuke to get the rotation started again, just like in that terrible movie!
And who told you living in a grass hut in Africa was a bad thing you loud mouths tr00l?
And that would be bad how? The Africans living in the grass hut at least are innocent of much of what our modern, western world is guilty of. Such as weapons of mass destruction, pollution of our environment, complex,convoluted social systems, etc.,etc. The argument is that humans have not figured out how to live on this earth sustainably let alone on other planets. "Your runnin and your runnin and your runnin away, but you can't run away from yourself" – Bob Marley.
We have learned how to swim underwater like fish, how to fly through the air like birds, how to soar through space like gods ... now, if only we could learn to walk the earth ... like men.
Except for the fact that people "living in grass huts" probably burn wood, cut down trees and plants, kill animals, etc and contribute to environmental pollution in some way just like everyone else on Earth (maybe not as much as some living in the Western world but I would hardly call them "innocent" to pollution). They also don't have the benefits of modern medicine, living life with minimal disease and the ability to treat simple illnesses that once killed most people who contracted them. As well as the ability to eat a healthy, balanced diet without having to physically exhaust oneself, leading to a much shorter life expectancy, and a body beat up and sore. Overall quality of life has improved drastically because of the advancements humans have made. I don't think the "living in a grass hut" lifestyle is nearly as idealistic as you make it sound.
people are still living in grass huts in africa
Just go to Australia instead, it's close enough.
Seriously, there will be no manned landing on Mars in 2018. We can't even get to the moon these days.
It would be so embarrassing to NASA and the US Govt. if private funding actually accomplished what THEY couldn't do, is land a man on Mars by or around 2025.
I'm looking forward to the future of space exploration.....
CNN's publicizing of this completely unrealistic announcement is nothing less than irresponsible journalism. Some random organization with no funding, no technology, and no stepping stones under its belt will not send anybody to earth orbit, much less mars by 2018 unless you are blatantly torpid enough to believe that this can be done in a faster timeframe than the US sent men to the moon, an activity which consumed a non-trivial part of the US GDP. SHAME for posting such press release nonsense, CNN. SHAME.
a private company cant reach orbit?
seriously do you READ the news, or just post on it randomly?
Embarrassing? quite the opposite, they would be delighted.
NASA has long prompted the idea that their work should lead to private ventures like this; and if it was an American company that did it it would put the US at the forefront of private space exploration,which is unlikely to make the government unhappy.
Why would it be embarrassing to NASA? What the US spends on defense every year represents more than THIRTY YEARS of NASA's budget. Look it up because it's true and easily verified; more than 600B to the DOD, less than 20B to NASA.
NASA's budget amounts to about one half of one percent of what the government spends every year. I don't see why they should be embarrassed, given all they manage to accomplish despite having such a puny budget.
"There's no word yet on where the money will come from,"
How about a national lottery??
I'd spend $20 on a chance to go to Mars!
Go to Disney
Not sure if CNN commenters are stupid or hilarious trolls -.-
Either way this is great. This mission is far ahead of the government's schedule, which has been putting exploration on the back burner since Obama got in. If private org can do it, I wish them all the success in the world. It's about time the US regains our place as the world's foremost space power.
Space exploration has been a multinational collaboration for years now and is likely to be the future. The mars rover has instruments from a dozen countries and has sponsors from universities and research insti tutes from around the world.
How about a body suit that will allow you to run to work at 40mph? How about a home that makes more energy than it consumes? How about a video game that causes pain the more you use it? A manned trip to Mars? NAH!
You can decide what to do when you have the money.
I am all for a manned missions to Mars in 2018. I would start by sending John "Bonehead" Boehner, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor. I bet the GOP would get everything THEIR WAY up on Mars.
Any scientific thoughts?
Spoken like the fascist you are.
spoken like the idiot you are, person is obviously a leftist you call him a facist the most extreme version of right wing government
Shouldn't you name be liberal and stupid?
I wouldnt send those idiots to mars.
They would start a war.
The same old tired comments about sending politicians into space. Annoying...any real ideas? or are you just here to parrot a joke that thousands of others have already made?
ALL THESE WORLDS
ARE YOURS EXCEPT
God, I loved that book. HAL for President in 2020!
Great quote !
My money is on Ganymede or Ceres already having life that humans should never be allowed to go near
(beavis and Butthead voice):
"And I,for one,would like to probe the depths of Uranus!"
I wish this project all the success i can muster. Everything we have technologically is there. Now we just need the fund and manpower to put it together.
WHY? FIX THE ROADS AND BRIDGES AT HOME FIRST
its is a private organization, it isn't their responsibility to fix roads. That would be the government's job.
SJL: Right on, It is a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION!!! Thanks for saying that for me. I get tired of this negativity when were trying to do something positive for the human race. Private space exploration is our future, let's embrace it.
Oh...that's exciting...8( I'm sure the DPW will inspire our next generation of STEM majors by dumping crud into potholes...yah.
These comments are so pessimistic. What happened to the American spirit? Also, it is being planned by a private, non-profit organization. What does any of this have to do with government spending?
American spirit is dead. Exploration, adventure, taking a risk...all gone. Now people are more interested on what is on TV.
This timetable is not doable.
For a trip like this... just think on where are we now just for LEO. All the humans have now are 2 ships (well the chinese have 1 but it only makes 1 flight per year just as a test) that can get to LEO and return home.
Every other thing we have cannot send humans out of LEO.
Even the planning of other capsules is a long way back. Don´t think on Spacex idea that there capsule can get to the Moon and return in 7 days... they still get a massive beating returning from LEO... over that one, there capsule would desintegrate on reentry. (not talking that they need the F9H to get it out of LEO and they only tested the capsule to the top speed of the F9)
Every test of that needs 4-5 years. Since it´s not cargo, the insurers want some massive tests made before making the insure (by 500 millions per passenger). Only 2y cannot get that. They are still on the drawing board with the plan.
Look at the airplanes. Some of those where draw in the 90's and are entering production now... and still have big problems.
Look at the Mars ONE site. It is a Dutch initiative. Their schedule is more 'realistic' (2023) and they have collected substantial money and commitment already.
No big deal. Disney World had sent thousands of people to Mars already. They shut down that ride 15 years ago.
Actually, Dave, Mission To Mars is up and running at Epcot. I flew to Mars two weeks ago.
Wow wow wow slow down a minute! I thought you guys were close to bankruptcy and you needed to make some expenses reductions and now you want to send men to Mars? Guys how many would you pay for such a mission? Ok it's scientifically interesting but you think its really a good idea on this difficult time? Just asking!
Um... What part of 'privately funded' don't you get?
Um....yes....yes it is a good idea. We could all just sit on our behinds and complain about our troubles, or we could inspire a generation to strive for greatness...I'll choose the latter.
Right. Five years from now. Hilarious.
All they need to do is announce the discovery of some valuable resources and companies will be signing up in droves.
If they are looking for crude oil, natural gas or gold?
Just a place to run to after mankind's inhabitation of earth leaves it lifeless.
A US Mars mission seems unlikely even by 2030, it would need to survive 3 presidential elections and 6 congressional elections. I don't see how that's probable anymore. OTOH China could probably do it by 2035. Though i wish them good luck, we must not sit watching China get there before us.
It's not a U.S. mission. It's a private sector project. "A nonprofit organization called the Inspiration Mars Foundation is hosting a press conference next week in which plans for a trip to Mars and back will be revealed."
There is a problem with that idea... in the last 200 years did you saw any private company making decisions to lose money?
Everything they do must get $$$$ before, during and after the thing is made. So this is not a "help for science"... they want to make money with it... like spacex plans to get 2B in profits per year by 2026 working for the administration.
Perhaps you should read the article before commenting.
Dont know where the money is comming from? Please its called mission for america tax payers will be very reluctant to pay during this economy.
Well they should be very excited to dump dollars into this project and ALL future space related projects. Funding space projects ALWAYS returns with a profit. In the forms of new technology, consumer goods, etc. Which all leads to more economic growth.
IF we can go to mars we can do anything
except live in peaceful harmony...
It may be a publicity stunt (a Mars human ladning is not projected until 2030), but if it gets kids interested in STEM studies again– it is worth it. More innovations have come from the space program than from any other source. We as a nation, need to start thinking about regaining our technological superiority if we do not want to end up playing second fiddle to China for very long.
1st of all with what I know shouldn't the gravity like cush a human?! and if not then who would be stupid enough to do this carzy stunt!!!???
You need to brush up on your knowledge of the solar system. Mars is a much smaller, and less massive planet than Earth, and thus it's gravity is much smaller than that of Earth. In fact, it's about one third of the gravity on Earth.
Clearly you don't know much then as mars has under 40% of the gravity of earth. Just glad the early explorers did not follow your advice.
Why would anyone suggest sending human beings to Mars when machines can be sent better, faster, and cheaper. This proposal is just plain dumb. Anyone with common sense would oppose this. A robot/ rover can do way way more than a human and requires no life support systems. How much more fuel is required to bring food and water for a human? A robot needs zero food and water for 500 days . Only a glory seeking moron would suggest sending a human to mars in this day and age.
One thing a machine cannot do – it cannot tell the rest of us how it /feels/ to stand on another world.
It's not that cut-and-dry.
What a rover sent on Mars can do in a week, or a month, a human can do in a matter of hours. While a rover can experience a breakdown or get stuck, and the mission end right there, a human crew is much less prone to such failure, once there.
Also, the very fact that there are some massive difficulties in sending humans – some of which you mentioned in your post – makes a project to send humans to mars potentially more useful for humanity, and any nation that participates in the project. After all, it is design problems that push the bounderies, demanding technical and medical problems that call for new solutions, that drive technological innovation.
The spin-off technology gained, and new tecnical and medical knowledge acquired, from such a uniquely challenging project is bound to be very significant.
A third argument for a human mission would be that such a thing will eventually be necessary, if we think of humanity's long term survival. And the sooner we get out there, the better. Humanity is awefully fragile, all on one planet.
I'm not suggesting that we start seriously colonizing the solar system now, but it certainly couldn't hurt to make the first steps in exploring how humans can survive in space on long missions, and what challenges a stay on a low gravity planet with a whispy atmosphere puts before us.
Finally, there is the inspiration – the moon missions in the 60's inspired a generation of scientists and engineers, with it's promise of a space age. This promise seems to have stalled, and a new injection of exitement, such as a manned Mars mission would bring, would be very welcome indeed.
A private organization will never send anyone to Mars. The short-term risk/reward dynamic of private enterprise just doesn't work for big stuff. Private enterprise is fine for crap like ipads or fall fashions, but it never really moves science or humanity forward.
Thats a very sweeping statement to make.Telephones, the MRI machine, Airplanes, the PC are all examples of humankind moving forward thanks to private players.
Im from Mars... but looks like i know the Earth tech history better that you human.
The telephone jumped into the open when the military saw it has a perfect way to talk with all the lines of the battle. Almost all the medical advanced techs started when NASA made studies in the 60 about what do humans need in space.
Airplanes... they loved it in the WW1. Before they where all from the governs... When the military showed that they where good transports, some private companies jumped on it to transport civilians.
In space... private companies just want money.
85% of the science you see is made by supporting governs and not private companies. When the private companies see a profit, they pay a buck to the universities or the science group and develop from there.
Look at the chips that your computer uses... they start to be radios for the military. The military developed computers for targetting the enemy. Civilians got smaller ones and develop the one you use at home. But, in the big round, the massive advanced computers are for the governs... not private companies. Even that the govern pays a private company to do it.... without that payment, the company would NEVER do it.
MARTIAN.... you are and idiot and don't exist.
Private companies will... If there is a profit in it.
Actually, I think the entire approach for a manned mission to Mars is wrong, launching from Earth or the Moon is stupid, it might actually be better to assemble and launch the mission from a space dock or the international space station. This would conserve resources greatly for such a mission, and lower costs, if the multiple modules are designed properly.
...........Hope you guyz can speak Mandarin.............because it aint gonna be USA.................we got TOO MANY WARS STILL TO FIGHT.......................................................................right, Exxon?
With our current technology and rockets? Not going to happen. Besides, there is so much more to explore and correct here on Earth.
Our current technology is more than adequate for the mission. What is lacking is the money and the will.
I believe we have technology that is FAR more advanced than what most of us are lead to believe, and we have had it for quite some time.
People are NOT going to Mars in rinky-dink chemical rockets in-use today. Pie-in-the-sky schemes like solar sails aren't going to work either. They need something that can lift huge amounts of provisions and make the trip fast, so that radiation in space (we're protected on Earth) doesn't hurt the astronauts. There is only one choice, if they are series. Resurrecting Project Orion.
as if Ion propulsion is rinky dink.
Without a better power source than solar panels, YES ion propulsion is rinky-dink.
Sat next to an engineer from JPL on a return flight from a trip. He's part of the Mars initiative and said that the timeline for landing a human on the planet is 2032. This private initiative is a publicity stunt.
Our government cant even get it's budget straight, and you're talking about going to mars. We have other things to worry about at this point in time.
This is a private company, not the government. Probably a collaboration between the two will be needed to pull this off.
The third sentence of the article says it's a nonprofit organization, not the government. Maybe you should learn how to read before offering up social commentary.
Yeah! non-profit, everything in America is non profit these days to save taxes, like churches / hospitals.
I doubt this very much. I would think we would build a stable moon station first, so thant we could launch the mars mission from there. A permanent moon station has serious political consequences. A Nuke launched from the moon would not be detected before it is too late to respond. All anti-missile systems are based on the concept of a missle coming over the horizon. If the US tries to build a moon base, the Chinese and India will blow it up
I've been excited my whole life about the possibility of the 2030 Mars mission, but 2016! This is like Christmas to my ears!!
I would love to be wrong, but I don;t think we'll see a manned mission to Mars by 2018, or even 2028. NASA will never again launch a manned space mission beyond low earth orbit, and no private concern is going to do so until there is a way to make a profit.
About the only chance for real manned space exploration now is the Chinese. They may get humans to the Moon by the 2020s.
With thinking like that, we might as well hand over our family jewels to the Chinese right now. What the hell happened to us? This nation used to aspire to do great things. Now all we do is aspire to watching reality tv and buying unneeded junk from infomercials! Jesus H. Christ!
... just get 30,000 or so people there and Mars can apply for statehood!!!
2018-2019 is Solar min – highest cosmic ray flux and lowest solar flare occurence. Cancer risk about 12% with upper confidence intervals near 30%. CNS risk include loss of memory and cognition during the mission and early alzheimers disease. Heart disease risk near 10% (stroke and CHD). Cataracts maybe before your return. Sounds like a one way mission!
"... just get 30,000 or so people there and Mars can apply for statehood!!!"
Or Foreign Aid
Its annoying that there are still some people who think we need to figure out new technologies to get to Mars. We could have sent people to Mars back in the 70's when we had planned too till Nixon nixed it. We could have figured out how to get there for over 40 yrs its never been about the technology. Its only about who is willing to spend the money. And the U.S. Gov has had that too all this time a Mars mission would only cost a small fraction of the annual defense budget and they blow many times that amount out their keisters every year on things they never even use (thank goodness for that btw). All it takes is people with the drive to do it and the money or a way to get the money and you can go. And we need to go, there is nothing more important than human exploration and colonization of space, when the Earth eventually gets hit by something we cant stop note I said when as it is a certainty dont you want there to be a few thousand people out on other worlds or space colonies when that day eventually comes? Or shall everything humans ever did or struggled through be all for nothing to just be pulverized into space dust and forgotten?
A good deal of humorous reading! Sounds as though a number contributors are lost-in-space-cadets already. Do we have any Scientology experts or Pastafarians ready to chime in?
but seriously – I'm looking forward to hearing what the Inspiration Mars Foundation group has in the way of a plan. It will take private funding to make the next leaps into manned exploration. The value to education and the human spirit is incalculable.
Did not see this one turning into a 'crusade'. It did.
I would go in a heartbeat, as I'm sure there's much more to Mars than NASA would have any of us believe.
So who among you would want to go see Mars, if given the chance - and why?
Shut up, you hack!
Just to have the pleasure of being in a new place that no (or in the future) men have stepped foot on.
Well, sense there nothing there to see or do, might as well stay in Alabama. There's not much deference.
I absolutely would go! I do not have anyone dependent on me and therefore wouldn't feel guilty by going. To me, the journey would greatly outweigh the risks and toll that it would take on my body.
I'm still down for a one-way trip. Don't get me wrong, I'd come back if I had the chance, but if that's what it takes the short answer is that it would be the most incredible adventure and I honestly believe that much in the effort.
If that journey can establish a foothold for future generations, fulfill the dreams of our ancestors, inspire the world to work together and reach for the stars, and provide even a small spark of hope to turn us away from our path of mutual destruction... I can think of no greater gift for humanity in these times of despair.
With that in mind, my own fate is of insignificant concern. I've already lived a full life, known utter agony and reached the heights of joy. I've traveled the world and laughed in the face of terrible storms. I've loved and lost and loved again, and I'm not afraid of whatever may come.
The courageous spirit of the pioneer is not dead within us, and I would not see it falter. My God, to set foot on another planet; for that experience alone it would be worth it. To quote Braveheart... every man dies, not every man really lives.
Are we up the challenge of seeking new worlds, or will we sit on our shores only dreaming of better days, and weep as we fade away?
I don't know about you, but I'm ready to fly.
You wouldnt need to ask me twice.
And why?...because its space! come on, what other reason do you need?
I told my son when he was born that he was going to be the first man on mars.......no pressure or anything,
I really hope they make a manned trip to Mars. It will be no less thrilling than the sci-fi movies which have already taken us up there, and with much more scientific, future impact for us here on earth.
I agree, but would like to plan it a little safer. Let's look at putting a receiving station in orbit around Mars, with fuel and life support. Then a manned mission to the surface with return capability planned, with redundicies. A trip with a death is not acceptable when we could put multiple layers of safety nets along the way.
The space programs of the 1960's gave us so many products, innovations, and ideas that we use today. Going to Mars will only add to that. Unfortunately the RepubliKlans will veto any $$ for this project.
I hope you Dum-a-crats don't force us to send Welfare Mamas as an equal-opportunity play. It is amazing we are talking about an opportunity to jump off this Earth to begin space exploration and you play politics. Sorry to all the other readers, but yes it is a great opportunity. I think there will be opportunities, but one I would like to address is the opportunity to build a government and private business venture where everyone benefits. If we would be able to find water and create colonies that are self-sustaining that would be awesome.
The space programs of the 1960's gave us so many products, innovations, and ideas that we use today. Going to Mars will only add to that. Unfortunately the RepubliKlans will veto any $$ for this project.
Quaid, you're not going to shoot me. We're still married.
boom (she dies)
Consider that a divorce.
He's quoting Total Recall.
Let's just hope the government dosen't get in the way and mess everything up!
nope. obama will stop that.
we have access to technology you could only dream of.
Wow- a pipe dream. How thrilling!
Columbus had a pipe dream too. So did MLK, Lincoln, JFK, etc. What a bunch of fools, right?
So did Ponce de Leon. And it's a shame none of this conversation is happening in person. You could put your money where your mouth is. Say, a $500 wager?
wow, you must of had a very sad childhood not thinking that your aspirations could come true
It would be nice to go to Mars, and we should for the science, but we have medicaid and the military industrial complex to feed first and they will suck all the feed out of the trough long before NASA gets its turn.
NASA isn't doing this, its is a private funded group
Quaid.... Start the reactor.... Free Mars.........
Sending people to planets with rockets will take to long they need something that bends space and time to sling through at lightspeed...but...very unlikely to happen
At the right time it would take only 6 months of travel. Close to the same as the Navy out in ships around the world. We just need to get a ship big enough to house the facilities for these people that will be sent to Mars (if it happens in the future).
And the radiations will kill the crew...
Why report they are going to do something they are not saying they intend to do?
Sounds like a Republican candidate's plan...
Hey man! Need a cab? I got FIVE kids to feed!
I thought it was six
America's human exploration of space...
America's human exploration.....
It needs to be backed by regular people. Make it a goal of sending at least one man and one woman to Mars and ask for donations. If a government wants to include an astronaut the bidding starts at a 100 million. Have people do back sales and telethons. We've got 5 years of fund raising to reach the goal. We need heroic projects and this is the biggest I'll live to see. They could even leave facilities for future trips. Build up to a perminate prescience. Billions have been raised to cure diseases that still have no cure. This is something we can accomplish!
MarsOne is way more likely to happen. Even though both MarsOne and whatever this thing is are both private ventures, the 'soaring eagle drumming up Americans' Mission Statement about educating youth doesn't inspire confidence in me. Pretty sure this is basically a scam to turn Federal grants for new technologies into private profits. But I'm sure it'll bolster the middle class.
It makes more sense to let the Chinese do this. They have our economy to fund it.
Would YOU want to get on a rocket that's Made In China????
Sounds like a private industry doing this, not NASA or the government ! Good luck and Get'er done !!!!!!!!!!
So , as in the past , whoever gets there first will claim ownership rights , and destroy all attempts to cede to others any part thereof.
Huh? What planet you from? Babel?
Cede – to transfer, make over, or surrender (something, esp territory or legal rights) . It's an English word. He is using the word to make a philosophical, and moral observation. Based on your other comments, I won't waste my breath trying to explain it to you.
Almost all countries, including China, the US and Russia signed a treaty stating that space, the moon, and the planets cannot be claimed as belonging any group or individual no matter who gets there first.
Our worries about contaminating a foreign planet are costing us the future. If we were so worried about ruining a natural landscape there would be no such thing as America. We need to start a colony on Mars and stop worrying about infecting it with Earth microbes and stuff.
I don't think anyone that matters is worried about infecting anything. I think the intent is to infest it
OMG...it's kind of hard to figure out if there's life on another plant if you bring microbes with you!
No one believes that, what are you talking about?
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Get a life!
This is a ridiccolous pipe dream, but I want to be a part of it. America needs space exploration technology for America to have a future.
If my phone has the computing power to get to the moon, a touch embarrassed we haven't grown crops in Martian soil already. I'll go if it's quieter than here.
Go dog Go!
Usa will kill all deaf america people soon
How did you know about this?
They have troll proof spacesuits, they'll be aok.
Face it. Rocket technology sucks. We are never going very far as long as it's the best we can do.
Why do we need to go to Mars when we have i phones here on earth.
Because they have the candy bars...
It's not going to happen in 2018.... Because economic crisis, state budget shortfalls, lack of job createion, lack of higher education standards, lack of everything.
It's kind of stupid to go to space in 2018. Everything isn't perfect when there's mortgage fraud, scam, money laundry, drug cartels, etc. Why putting human mission to mars in 2018? Do it later....
Dude, are you stupid? Get real. That kind of crap has been going on for centuries. If you think plans like this should wait until everything gets fixed then it will NEVER happen.
I for one, will be following this very closely. Exciting news! I hope they launch from Spaceport American in New Mexico
Sorry, Spaceport America
You got too excited
We should have them all over the country doing low orbit travel and tourism...to start. 20 years ago, I imagined us crushing these 'little' hurdles. Who got excited?
I believe this is a perfectly fine venture, and will bring glory to God. His Son, Jesus, needs his name spread, and what a better way to spread it than to another planet?!? Granted, we are the only beings God created (read the Bible), but what a grand step of faith to lift your helmet, breath deeply, and shout out the name of JESUS on the surface of Mars?
Or even better, we might even find evidence of a previous Mars civilization, and learn something I believe we all know; the Word of the Lord is universal, and his Son, Jesus, has been there and brought his glory to Mars! Praise Mars Jesus!
Why does every intelligent conversation on the Internet have to be ground into the dirt by idiots like you? I can't tell if you're a Jesus freak or a fellow liberal who thinks he's funny.. either way, thanks for the pointles commentary.
Can you not read and see my heart? May God have mercy upon you, Jimothy.
May Mars Jesus have mercy on your soul.
LOL Jim, this guy , mustafa, is completely brainless. First of all, "spread the word" to who? there's no life there (as far as we know). I'd like to give him a nice punch in the junk.
Its a good thing the story of god exists. Your small brain would be struggling to understand anything without it. Go read your scripture, and leave the adults here alone.
I may be microcephalic, but at least I know what I know. You don't know how to be witty or acerbic like Jeffrey Ross, despite your blatant attempts to be like him.
What an utterly stupid post.
Stupid in what way, Josef? Stupid in the sense that it's a proclamation of faith? It would appear that you're irrationally upset about my faith... Do you find yourself in an existential crisis?
Do you happen to feel...
It will be a glorious thing, and I'm also an ardent Christian with you, but nobody better lift a helmet visor and try to shout anything on Mars - the atmosphere is drastically thin, it does not have the oxygen composition anywhere near Earth, and doing that would be almost immediately fatal. The media keeps beating this drum for finding "life on Mars, life on Mars..." but the conditions are drastically different and not tolerable by almost every organisim designed for earth's conditions.
(and ah yes, the let the vicious, hateful hostility to religion begin, on your mark, get set, go. You're all so tolerant and enlightened compared to those evil, ignorant Christians.)
Did not water become wine? Did not a wooden staff become a snake of flesh and bone? Did not God become a man, who became bread and wine and/or grape juice?
So who says 95% Carbon Dioxide, with a remainder of nitrogen, argon, and other traces can't become Earth air? I proclaim it in the name of the Lord!
They are not going to make it. Thought nasa broke dont have money. So what the hell . Tat mean the debt fake just showing the world that usa dont have money.
There is absolutely no indication from the article that NASA is involved.
Are you really too stupid to read? This is a PRIVATE nonprofit organization. That means they'd be using their own money, not NASA's. Take off the tinfoil hat and learn to read. You'd look less idiotic.
Hey dude, maybe you should get off of your high horse and try a little civility here. Posters who LOVE telling other people how stupid, dumb they are are generally the most ignorant of the whole lot of posters in general. Why you have a need for putting others down like this I have no idea, but its your cross to bear in life. Meanwhile, and sadly, you have no idea of just how infantile and misinformed you make yourself look when you adopt such an arrogant line of vituperative. Chill out...and show a bit of kindness, EVEN if you truly BELIEVE that you are a "Higher Life Form."
Not to mention, while private money is implied through the article, "non-profit" is NOT. Investors are sinking millions/billions into this venture, hoping to capitalize on the discoveries that are made, both technological and Martian – if it were non-profit, this thing would have died out 5 min. after the announcement. And yes, have some humility and show some respect for others. While some may show their ignorance, it doesn't make it right for others to call them stupid, just kindly point out their shortcomings and move on. It's no wonder our youth are so troubled these days with hate being tolerated to be launched from a keyboard to someone you've never met.
Troll has just unlocked "buzzkill of the discussion" award
I think these guys have a much better shot. An actual plan and realistic timetable.
mars-one dot com/en/
A realistic timetable. 2018 is only 5 years away. The cannot possibly be ready to go to Mars & back in 5 years. He should just contract NASA and pay for the expertise that is there.
I don't think THIS STORY (2018) is realistic – I think the one I linked to in my comment is. Sorry for the confusion.
A realistic timetable. 2018 is only 5 years away. They cannot possibly be ready to go to Mars & back in 5 years. He should just contract NASA and pay for the expertise that is there.
Mars One is landing on Mars. Even though the picture shows otherwise, I get the impression that this mission is a fly-by one.
" inspiring youth through Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) education and motivation."
Wow....that's ironic. Considering the state of the educational system in the US compared to the rest of the civilized world they won't have anyone intelligent enough in 2018 to man this mission.
if u dont like it here then move
If u can't write a decent sentence than don't comment on other's comments on the educational system, pinhead.
if you do not respect freedom of speech...first amendment. why dont you move?
Through prayer and technology, this will eventually be accomplished.
Huh? How about through human spirit, curiosity, and intelligence? Where are these nuts coming from?
Sure. a good prayer always takes care of everything, right? I see how paryers work in childrens hospitals where kids die every day in spite of prayer. Thats quite a god you have there.
If prayer is so great, why even bother with the technology?
Yes I hope they make it I wish I could go!
Seriously? A guy makes a comment of "God bless" which is basically "good luck" and the hipster-athesists have to come and attack the dude.
No one has a problem with the God bless part. It's the fact that he's implying prayer, and not innovation, expertise, and a number of other human traits, is the reason for our eventual success.
I'm pretty certain that a spacecraft that is powered on 'prayer' won't be going very far.
They are wondering where the money would come from or what human could take the year getting there and year getting back? Easy answer and they could make money off of this.
Snooki and JWOW do Mars.
this is a variation on the Ground Zero Mosque scam.
although I'd be happy to see it happen
it ain't going to happen sure not under an American budget
501 days is quite a long time and outdated, NASA is experimenting with speed of light vehicles of expanding/contracting space. It's a matter of time before we start exploring the unimaginable, it's a new frontier coming up where almost all the laws of Physics are going to be non-existence with the new ones. Blackhole is the next frontier of the Einstein's....here we come
nedo: You wrote that NASA is experimenting with speed-of-light vehicles. Right. Is that with the alien technology NASA got from the crash at Roswell? Or from the secrets in the crop circles?
alan: Earthly technology from NASA/MIT etc
alan: They are experimenting with new kinds of acceleration methods, although slow to get going are able to get up to very high speeds. With enough $$. private research/space organizations could get the time down to 200 days one way.
Actually, NASA is experimenting with warp drive technology. http://techland.time.com/2012/09/19/nasa-actually-working-on-faster-than-light-warp-drive/ Although NASA has nothing to do with the announcement of the planned trip to Mars in this article.
Only if 'experimenting' means theories on paper.
They are not experimenting with speed-of-light vehicles. Such designs are still in the theoretical stage and there are many known technological barriers to overcome before they'll even know if it actually can work. Bending space-time, for one thing, requires amounts of energy we have no idea how to generate at this time.
Comprehesive understanding is what mankind needs. Science should not disavow religion. Nor should religion regect Gods own universal laws. A 14 billion year old cosmos could be created in six days thru relativity! Lets explore what GOD CREATED!
How many times have religious beliefs been proven wrong? I guess some people never learn.
How did you figure that out ? Tell us how it was done.
Hey, Dave, perhaps you should take this though and place it where it belongs–far away from science, and in the past.
How big of a priority is sending humans to Mars, do you all think?
I think it is important because we need to expand our technical knowledge regarding colonization. We are simply running out of room, on a confined rock, where our ability to kill ourselves is growing faster than our moral values. Spreading out is becoming a matter of survival.
We're not actually running out of room. The world population trend is flattening.
priority for whom? what about the priorities right here on earth. you know, the planet we ALL live on. Do you know that there are starving children all over the world? Do you know that there is a financial crisis all over the planet and economies are collapsing right in front of us? Where should the "priority be, on Mars or on our own troubled planet?
And just what are you basing your statement on Bonzi? Developed countries only?
Kraig, how many of those problems are caused by overpopulation and scarce resources? Think bigger.
How big of a priority is sending This Columbus guy WEST to the Indies? (King Ferdinand, 1492)
VERY big. I'll wager my jewelry on it. (Queen Isabella, 1492)
Columbus explored this planet. The one we live on. The one that matters to all of us. The one that needs our help. How about spending that money on fixing our economies or feeding our children or curing cancer? Just saying
@asdrel – Although we don't know if that conversation actually took place, that was very funny :)
Go for it. Just don't use taxpayers money. Not one red cent!
High! But not as high as a mission to Europa.
Over the next century or two, I believe that it is a very high priority. Over the next couple decades, there are much higher priorities, continued unmanned exploration and the building of experience and infrastructure for extended manned missions outside of low Earth orbit.
If this is anything other than a pipe dream, this phase of this particular project can only be a small scale unmanned mission. Even if all of the funding is in place, five years is nowhere near enough time to design and build a manned spacecraft capable of even a one way mission to Mars.
Extremely important. We need great heroes that inspire us to dream and reach beyond our own horizons, it drives the pursuit of scientific understanding, and it gets us off this rock before we go the way of the dinosaurs. I'd rather take a trip to Europa myself, if for nothing else but to gaze in awe at Jupiter's cosmic dance from up close, but whatever floats your boat. It beats killing each other over ideologies. :)
Preach the good word!
I actually think that sending humans to Mars and ultimately colinizing Mars is absolutely critical. I think the best way to ensure the future survival of the human race is to colonize other planets. Best not to have all our eggs in the earth basket. On a purely personal note, I would find a manned mission to Mars one of the most exciting events of my life.
Hi everyone, there seems to be some confusion: NASA is not involved in this initial announcement of a plan to go to Mars in 2018. It is a nonprofit organization led by Dennis Tito.
Elizabeth Landau, CNN
Even with that said...and I agree, some people can not read and comprehend!
Maybe this non profit organization should be putting it's resources where it matters. I don't know, starving kids, cancer research, the homeless. Billions of dollars to go to Mars. This is why the human race will eventually die.
There are plenty of non-profits which already exist to help with the causes you mentioned. This venture is for space exploration. If you don't want to fund it, then don't.
This organization is providing the leadership and vision that NASA and our government should be providing. Surely we can cut DOD to support this type of exploration. I think it is a long shot, but I hope they succeed!
It's nice to see Captain Kirk,Spock going out for a farewell tour..Remember guys take plenty of Depends along because you'll need them ,its a long trip!!
Tree huggers and god lovers aside, this sounds amazing. As someone who grew up watching the astronauts take of in those huge rocketships, just taking our first steps in orbit and then to the moon. I remember thinking it would be awesome to build on the moon and maybe people living there, now this talk of mars is fantastic. There are of course issues to be settled here on earth, but if we waited for them to be resolved before we took the next steps into the future, we would be waiting for at least another hundred to two hundred years. If we are the eggs and earth is the basket, then we shouldn't keep them in the same basket. We are a curious creature and always want to learn, this is a natural next step.
I heard the other day that people will believe that Mars was once flooded completely when there is no water on it but they will deny that the Earth was ever flooded even though it is mostly water. They shake their fists at God and reject the Savior of their sins Jesus Christ.
That is because there is evidence to support those claims. There is no verifiable evidence to support yours.
Yet you are talking about a religion that is based on faith not fact at all.
Yeah, right. You know, except for all that evidence. Except for the mountain of eyewitnesses and extrabiblical written accounts of Jesus Christ and the fact that He changed the course of world history with no education and no political agenda or army or weapon, I suppose you're right.
Christ didn't change much of anything on his own. It was Saul of Tarsus (Paul) who got that ball rolling nearly seventy years after JC's supposed death. Then, thanks to Constantine and later Theodosius I Christianity was law and things went downhill (especially for the masses) for the next 1,200 years, and didn't get a H*E*L*L of a lot better even after the Reformation.
We in the US especially are still suffering from those vestiges due to people like Jonathan Edwards and Abraham Vereide while most of Europe keeps religion in its place. We are not a Christian nation thanks to the founders but we are a nation full of Christians with an agenda.
Glenn, eyewitness accounts, especially of events thousands of years ago, do not trump verifiable evidence. Even if Jesus existed, it's quite a leap to say he was the son of god...even people who knew him had no way to be sure, let alone us. Mohammed also changed the world...why do you not worship him?
Here we go again...
There is water on Mars, a great deal of it. You may not realize this, but water can exist as ice and gas as well as a liquid. It's easy to poke holes in a theory that you have a faulty understanding of.
...and the Earth is Thousands and Thousands of years old, and your F150 needs a new bedliner, and Mountain Dew is a liquid gift from the Cloud Fairy
I find it hilarious the short sightedness of some of the comments about why should we be bothering trying to go to mars. Mars can teach us a lot about our past and future in regards to climate and the like, not to mention we drastically need to start exploring space for colonization otherwise we need to cull a third of the worlds population we are already 1.5 times the population compared to the amount of resources we need to survive. As for fixing the planet we're on? well its fine its not exactly damaged and it will still be here thriving long after we're gone its just us humans that are broken.
kiwi: It's nice to talk about colonizing space, and you seem to prefer moving 1/3 of the human population off Earth, but how exactly do we lift 2.3 billion people to Mars? In rockets carrying, say, ten people at a time? Even assuming that food, water, and fuel were available at the destination? And if it isn't, how do we lift food, water, and fuel to the 2.3 billion people we've moved to Mars? And shoes, and building materials, and medicine, and other necessities?
How will having a large population on Mars ever occur if we refuse to take the first steps, with the reasoning that we can't immediately accomplish our ultimate goals?
Believe it when I see it.
If so, it will be interesting to see someone other than NASA accomplish this first. If they pull it off, NASA is going to have a tough time justifying its budget.
Especially when Americans spend more on doggy toys then what NASA is given in it's budget!
I'm all for exploring out in space, but how about we focus our energy and money on fixing the planet that we are living on and seem to be destroying like parasites first.
What if the Spanish decided Spain needed fixin' before shippin' Columbus off to 'Merica?
Probably would have been a good idea considering what Columbus and the Conquistadors unleashed upon the denizens of the Western hemisphere.
Mars can wait. What we should be doing is putting God back in public schools. Do you recall the numerous prayers and references to God during the Apollo missions? We can be both scientific and Godly. Know Jesus, know peace. No Jesus, no peace.
As a civilisation we are trying to move forward, not backwards. The reason religion is not in public schools is because they have to teach facts and there just arn't any facts supporting any religion.
Good for you, kiwilogic. Free will, too, is a delusion to a thoroughgoing naturalist. But then how can you be sure of your own arguments? You are a human being, not an empirico-positive robot.
while I respect your opinion on the subject, I must disagree and say that isn't something that is important to pursue, nor should it be. The way the school system handles religion seems to be working fine, so there is no need to change it, there are MUCH more important things that need to be addressed, like our spiraling debt and giant loopholes in our gun control policy.
Yes, spiraling debt because we are improvident, and gun control because we are immoral.
what does bringing God back into schools have anything to do with this? don't you understand in the separation between church and state? you cannot force religion upon anyone, especially in a public school. how is believing in God going to help anything? we are doing much better without religion in our society. and are you calling gun control immoral?
and please show me your proof that free will is a 'delusion' without sounding totally irrational and far-fetched
Exactly where in this article is there any mention of religion?
Teaching kids that the bible contains all the answers to life is what caused our kids to fall drastically behind in math and science. The same thing happens to Islamic countries who teach that their religion has all the answers. We need to teach kids critical thinking skills so they can spot nonsense when they encounter it. If we do that, it will surely be the end of religion and once again explore our universe.
Exactly, apparently a lot of religious types have failed to notice that the most religious countries in the world are also the least educated, poorest, and most brutal. I'm looking at you, Pakistan.
Or you can go one step further and teach kids that God and science can coexist.
To think that we exist due to a series of random events with no purpose should be just as far-fetched to a scientist as the idea that there is a creator of the universe who initiated these "random events". Of course... both ideas can't be proven so pick your side.
In my personal opinion, believing that there is no creator means that life truly is pointless and we are simply animals. What a depressing thought. So I choose to believe in a creator. Especially one who's book teaches love and kindness. It's all of the hypocritical/ignorant christians in the past and present that have skewed the Earth's pereception of Christianity.
First off, congratulations on getting 3 replies. ...It would have made me feel good.
These response columns are starting to feel like broken records, so I'm surprised to see myself joining the fray. However, your reply struck me as more sincere than the typical spam coming from both ends, so to me it warranted a response. Tying biblical education to mathematic and scientific underperformance strikes me as a quite reductionistic view of the relationship in general. Historically speaking, non-religiousness (We'll save defining that for some monograph) is a new thing in (historied) humanity. Moreover, our (trending atheist) education system on the whole is certainly not what it has been in the past...even beyond our generation (i.e., reaching back to much more 'religious' times in our countries history). We're currently underperforming and trailing other nations we should be surpassing in educational performance (CNN recently published an article on this), spending tons of money in the process, and with the most secular education system to date. You say "caused," as if you have a specific event in mind. Do you?
On the other hand, I can't help but agree that the Islamist countries are the most backward in many ways, but to lump all expressions of religious devotion and belief with the fruits of fundamental Islam is blurring the lines far beyond what could be honestly described as 'critical thinking.'
JFK was a Catholic after all ;)
I concur w/ Matt gquarles7 = pseudointellectual poser dou.chebaggery
Sorry my tone seems to have offended you, Beefburger...simply trying to be honest with my thoughts on the matter. But is there something wrong with my argument that you noticed?
Isn't that why there are churches, synagoges, mosques, etc.?
...and how many wars have been started over Religion?
Oh brother. Give me a break. smdh
From a couple of comments here, it seems some people didn't read that its a non-profit organization that is planning this, not NASA (though NASA will probably be involved, offering their launch facilities).
Hey stop hating, I am a space cadet, and I wanna "GO TO THE MOOONN" me and my slinky
BRAVO, and best of lucks. I wish I was in your place, but I am way too old (75)
NASA really needs to stop incorporating these marketing stunts into science. Please, leave that to the Apple’s and the Microsoft’s.
"A nonprofit organization called the Inspiration Mars Foundation". Not NASA.
What kind of 'set' will NASA use to fake a mission to Mars? Will it be a desert set like the fake moon landings or will it be 100% CG??
Haha, good one. I assume you are making fun of those idiots that actually think that we didn't go to the moon. How can anyone be so dense!? Right! Anyway, this is pretty exciting news. With private agencies AND NASA working towards returning to the Moon and eventually to Mars, commercial space flight is no more than a decade or so away.
Sorry Jason, no humans have been on the moon.
The russians came close with two robots.
Ross, you do realize if more than one person knows about a secret, it won't be a secret for long?
please be a troll, please be a troll, please be a troll!
are you joking or are you seriously one of those people who believe the moon landing was fake? if so i didn't know you people were still around
They are still around. They have just been busy demanding President Obama's birth certificate.
Capricorn One was just a movie, dude.
I suppose the photo's of the the landing sites, the hardware, the rover tracks and foot prints taken by the lunar orbiter are fake too? Seriously, seek help!
You have to be a troll. Not believing in the moon landing indicates that you have your head up your thruster. RIP Neil.
"It's full of stars"
Same set they are using now with the rovers
Did you take up space in college?
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