Water in distant quasar could fill Earth's oceans 100 trillion times
Is there water in space? Well, 12 billion years ago there was a lot of it, astronomers say.
A team of international scientists analyzing a quasar 12 billion light-years from Earth say there is water vapor in the object - which they call "a voraciously feeding black hole" - equivalent to 34 billion times the mass of our planet. They say it's the largest mass of water ever found.
"We not only detected water in the farthest reaches of the universe, but enough to fill Earth's oceans more than 100 trillion times," said Jason Glenn, an associate professor at the University of Colorado-Boulder, who was co-author of a study of the quasar.
The discovery shows water was present in the early stages of the universe when it was 1.6 billion years old, researchers say. The big-bang theory puts the age of the universe at 13.6 billion years.
In our galaxy, the Milky Way, there is 4,000 times less water than in the quasar, and it is spread over a few light-years, according to the study. But in the quasar, the water vapor is present over hundreds of light-years, they said. A light-year is about 6 trillion miles.
The discovery was made using a spectrograph at the California Institute of Technology's telescope on the Mauna Kea volcano on Hawaii's Big Island and verified using a facility in California's Inyo Mountains.
Besides the University of Colorado-Boulder and Caltech, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Japan's Institute of Space and Astronautical Science, the Observatories of the Carnegie Institute of Science and the University of Pennsylvania participated in the research.
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To those cracking jokes and quoting the bible: you have no idea how signifigant this find really is.
This is really great news because where there is water, there is life! Solves the question of whether or not other life (besides that on Earth) is possible in other parts of the universe (and no the universe is not the milkyway... and no the universe is not your living room). Now we just have to find it... that is if they don't find us first. Also, solves another major problem of interstellar space travel... because if you are 10 years into a space flight, you can't exactly turn around when you run out of water. Just tap a local quasar and you are on your way!
that's the most ridiculous thing ever written. tap a local quasar? LOL.
I was trying to use Layman's terms. It wasn't meant literally. Think outside of the box.
I do believe that Science and space are in a lot of ways one....there is so much out there ..including our Creator ...hopefully scientists will do something good and locate and prove our beginning of existence..I wouldn't want my buddy Ct yank to stay clueless forever
Never realized there where so many Einstein clones around.
No need to be Einstein to imagine there's plenty of water in the universe, as it's here on earth. The earth is part of the universe, so why should the earth differ radically from the universe and vice versa ? You can bet a dollar on it that Mendeljev's table is scattered everywhere around in all directions for billions and billions of light years. So, guess what you will find in every corner: yes, that famous table: H, He, Li, Be ......................................
Huh?
So correct.....I feel sorry for the guy who said HuH......clueless
and life....
Huh? Really...that is your reply? It still baffles me that our species finds it hard to believe that the elements we have here on earth in abundance would be else where in the universe.
I wrote huh, and go ahead and feel clueless for ignorant me. These replies represent such a collection of uneducated conjecture it is hillarious.
Oh, and genius Joe, I wrote Huh?, not HuH. At least if you are going to criticize someone, be accurate. I feel sorry for mentally challenged people like you, hahahahahaha.
If we go with your logic, there's plenty of human here on earth, so there must be plenty of human elsewhere in the universe. Hmm. Yesm it does not take an Einstein to "imagine" abundance of water in teh universe. But they did not just "imagine", they actually have proof. Do you?
Quasar360, what is a quasar? Non-Wickepedia version svp.
The issue isn't so much 'where' as 'when' the water existed. There are many assumptions about the spacial and temporal distribution of elements and compounds, but without evidence, they are just that – assumptions. For hundreds of years, it was assumed that Newton's explanation of gravity was the correct one. But of course it was later shown to be just an approximation. Perhaps the particular quantity, distribution and timing of the water will give clues to more basic questions.
God seems to enjoy diversity, but he also seems to enjoy symmetry. And it would seem to me that if there is going to be a different set of elements out there than what we know of here in our universe, than there will have to be other laws governing them that we do not have governing us here in our universe.
Soon all the elements will melt away anyway. And not just the ones in our universe. Where will all the electrons and protons and other bits of the elements go, into one point or spread out into infinity or both?
Can't wait to find out!
HUHH..
Trolley, it is Huh. Anything else you will get you attacked, use Huh and I will get attacked. GGskiing, a proton is not a fundamental particle. Back to the drawing board.
I wouldn't cast stones because it's very likely that you two have no clue what's going on in this universal order too. This planet which is the only planet holding a templar connection to our home galaxy, Andromeda, is implicated in a 250 billion year old war while you're reading mind control like NASA and thinking it's "cutting edge". This veca system is actually over 750 billion years old.
Jared, I thought that all stones were destroyed 137,534,636 years of warfare. What am I missing?
A quasar is an object in the universe at very long distance from the earth generating tremendous electromagnetic (EM) radiation. Electromagnetism also exists on earth and has been described by Maxwell in his famous equations. Nevertheless, quasars are much spectacular than the phenomena in an earthly electrical AC or DC motor. The observations tell that there is probably a black hole in the center of a quasar. The hole attires tremendous amounts of matter which collapses/explodes/fuses etc which generates tremendous amounts of EM radiation.
As for the discussion whether the discovery of water is spectacular or not, for me it isn't because I suspect the table of Mendlejev to be found everywhere in the universe (inlcuding H and O and thus H20). Of course, the time and the distance plays a role. So I think just like there is a red shift in light indicating the objects are still moving further from earth, I there is also a shift in the composition of the table. We can call it the Mendlejev shift. That means that in the early beginning (the objects the most far away) the table composition differs from the table now on earth. To be investigated or has already been investigated. I do not know.
Say, "Huh?" (Mongome), is there a clarifying question you might have here?
Please someone go out and purchase a big Clue for Ken, He seems to have lost all of his!
Actually, that picture looks a LOT like the log I laid this morning!
So you are now water logged?
Me: Girls.
You: Logs.
Seems fair.
There is indeed water at some points in the universe.
Think about this – the Earth seems to have the perfect water in place.
Despite our advanced technologies to detect life in other parts of the universe, we still seem to be the only living life at this point in time. Perfect beings, perfect creations.
You are giving our technology way too much credit. We have absolutely no way of detecting the conditions required for life outside of a tiny, insignificant sphere of space within the Milky Way. As a percent, we essentially haven't even started looking yet.
not only is there water in space, but there is also beer. =]
http://www.fermentarium.com/random-news/giant-cosmic-space-clouds-of-beer/
@orion, that just made my day
ONE Sacred Circular Breath ,as if 'looking' at a mirror,breathed a timeless breath ;at that timeless instant all that ever Existed/"in-sist-ed" came to be with no ever-separation and has already returned. ~One Being/One Unspintered>Splintered existence *ESSE* ,ineffable but for us has to be effable--–Inseparable ONE is ONE and yes, TAT TVAM ASI (Sanskrit) This Thou Art. {Intellect alone "grasps" it not}
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Well, there are a lot of Einsteins. Much more than one thinks. One of the first things to become an Einstein is to observe, make links, to discover hidden links and last but not least, use your common sense. E.g. can one tell me the difference between staring at the earthly sea and thinking "Jesus, this is a hell a lot of cold chilling fluid over here, this must be an ocean, does somebody miss an ocean in his stock inventory ? here's one ", versus looking in the universe with hell the biggest radar telescopes ever and staring at some quasars and thinking "Jesus, that's amazing, it seems the major stock of chilling crystal clear fluid oceans is over there with the neighbours. Guess what, I'll send them an email to check if they are missing an ocean or 2".
MongoMe:
Huh? Did I get it right? Huh?
You just keep baitin' 'em in and they keep on coming. I'm pretty tired of old topics on this thread, but I just have to keep coming back to see if MongoMe got another reaction. You crack me up. For those of you who are tempted to respond to MongoMe, please use the correct spelling and punctuation. Those of you from Canada may be permitted to supstitute 'Eh?' I'm not sure, you'll have to ask MongoMe.
The leader on the webpage says "Quasar has water for 100 trillion oceans". Should be "had" since the light from this quasar reaching us today was emitted 10 billion years ago. Silly, I know, but c'mon guys, let's be accurate please. This thing is probably gone now and "has' no more anything, I would bet.
darn – you beat me to it! I was sitting here pondering that exact same thought. Kuddos
You might be correct by saying This thing is probably gone now. But you might be wrong that has' no more anything. yes it might be gone but some might still be there. and then we have to guess where did the water go!
It is well known that there is water in interstellar space.
Matter is constant, so no matter what the state the elements are in they are there to form the water, so it doesn't matter how long it has taken for the signs to get to us, they are signs of a constant that isn't effected, if it isn't there then it is somewhere, just the fact that the elements existed in such abundance is what is most impressive.
Cool
Matter is not constant.
Matter is not the constant. Change is the Constant.
Remember–time IS relative.
Relative to what? Just curious, might learn something.
Relative to your absolute speed. The closer to lightspeed, that is to say 3 x 10^8 meters per second, you as an object get, the slower time passes. Photons do not experience time, since they always travel at lightspeed, for them time is non-existent. It helps to think of it in Heisenberg's terms for momentum and position. The more well-known one variable is, the less the other is, so it's a trade-off. It's a two-dimensional variable. Most of the time we think of a variable as one-dimensional, traveling back and forth on a range of values specific to its function. Absolute Speed & Time, Momentum & Position are two-dimensional variables, so where you would imagine a point for a variable, imagine a square, rectangle, or parallelogram of varying size for a two-dimensional one that travels within the 2-dimensional variable space created by its parameters.
Stentor, relative to my absolute speed? Per the Theory of Relativity that is not posible. Please educate me as to how that it is possible.
to paraphrase Einstein. If you spend 2 hours talking to a pretty girl, it feels like 2 minutes, however, if you spend 2 minutes sitting on a hot stove, it feels like 2 hours. Relativity of time.
Don't let the first paragraph confuse you, they are detecting water NOW. Meaning the article title is correct.
Chris: I thought so! I am almost afraid to ask questions on this site for fear that some of the "Einstein's" will make fun of my lack of knowledge. So, when Halley's comet was visible a few years ago, we were seeing it in real time?
You don't see anything in "real time". Everything is a time lapse picture of what it looked like before. The moon is about a light second away. The sun, 8 light minutes away. Don't be afraid to ask questions, it's how you learn things.
me Thank you! So.......Chris says they are detecting water NOW..... does that mean...in our..real time?
me Thank you! So.......Chris says they are detecting water NOW..... but he is incorrect?
Jennifer, the Quasar is 12 billion light years away, which means that the light that we are detecting now was emitted 12 billion years ago. So while we are detecting it now, we are in effect seeing something that occurred 12 billion years ago. Good question.
Jennifer (and other curious minds) don’t be timid about your curiosity, or intimidated by rude people who like to make others feel inferior. Jump in and learn and ask and hear many perspectives. Yes, if a strong telescope on mars was watching me turn on my kitchen light, anyone looking through that telescope would see me turning on the light three minutes after I had done so. In fact I had already walked back to the bedroom and asked my wife what she wanted m ie to put on her baked potato and had returned to the kitchen to prepare dinner. There is about a three second delay from what occurs here on earth before it is seen on mars. Mars is just our next terrestrial planet neighbor planet in our solar system. Go out of our move out of our solar system and into the many stars (like our sun which is medium sized star) out of our galaxy (the Milky Way) and move billions of light years away. Now if you could look through a telescope from that point back to earth, you would be seeing Romans expanding their empire and a few nomadic humans on the American continent. Essentially, you would be seeing what had happened here. So, yes, many of the brilliant and wonderful things we see at the outermost expanses of our technological capabilities we could study for the next hundred years and have no way of knowing that they “went Nova”, were absorbed by a black hole, or collided with another galaxy and have changed in unimaginable ways. And finally, yes, the water we are seeing has likely been changed into smaller components of its respective subatomic parts and may even have been transposed into a different kind of energy that is not seen, is not measurable, and is only suspected by wholes in universal mass and energy theories that demand the existence of “dark energy”. We just don’t really know, and that makes it exciting. But we can’t take our eyes off of the telescope because we want to see what happens next. I also agree that we should not be surprised to see that everything represented on our element tables is universal, no rare, and in fact if it were possible that a different element could exist, it too is commonplace in a universal context. It is amazing to think that you really can look into and accurately observe something that existed in the past but that has ceased its existence millions of years ago. It gets you thinking about the linkage between time and space as stretchable bands that can link one time here with another time there.
Jennifer are my favorite poster. Why, you do not try to make an irrelevant point (not me), you do not try to be a wise-ass (yes, sometimes me), but you ask straightforward questions. Keep it up, and I think that you will get some of the answers that you seek. Good luck.
Jennifer, you lust see it as pictures you receive via the surface mail. Somebody takes a picture and sens it to you. The picture of the quasar in fact is a picture of it status 12 billion years ago. If you want to know how it looks now, then you will have to wait 12 billion years (someone takes a new picture now 26/7/2011 and post it in the mail, it will get here within 12 billion years).
Well, the water has probably mostly fallen into the black hole at the center of the quasar by now. Most likely, water molecules would no longer exist as they fell toward the singularity. Also, the energy of some of the water molecules may have been emitted by the black hole as Hawking radiation.
Physics: Why would water molocules not exist if they fell through the black hole? Do you mean they would simply disappear? Or turn into Hawking radiation? As you can tell, I am not a physicist, but am very curious. And how could a black hole make that happen?
Actually since we are seeing emissions from water molecules across a large radial area, most of it was likely ejected into interstellar space. That which fell back into the blackhole is no longer water or H and O molecules, but likely more fundamental particles (Fermions and Bosons), though I have never crossed an event horizon to confirm said speculation.
Or as singularity nutsack sweat.
Awesome, now we know where rain comes from.
Genius!
It's kind of interesting that the Bible says that before there was any earth, everything was water.
Bible feeds you with a fairy tale made by primitive humans. Kids don't even believe that nowdays.
What do they believe in?
the bible - u think people dont believe - thank God u dont get paid for thinking - whoaaaaa--lol
Justin Bieber.
Pretty impressive for "beings" that were born out of a Big Bang. It is took us 13 Billion years, by that theory, to figure out there is water in the universe? If that were true, we take a long time to develop our intellectual selves. Maybe is another 13 Billion years, we will discover that they play football on MARS....
all my life i have believed in god but its changed for me now i believe gulliable humans were talked into this god theory think about what is been said by something with no matter for us to see he never wrote nothing that theres prove of nothing now jesus was facturally a real man hes 1 person if u believe in religion that counts and bullcrap has been around 4 ever what god permits the rape and murder of children no god that ever was dreamth of would ever produce a creaTION SUCH AS THESE TYBES OF HUMANS but believe as you should i'm intitled 2 my opionion and u just read it
Kristal, you don't have to believe in the God that is portrayed by the various religions, but it's still worth thinking about how there could be a greater being, an artist of this universe if you will, whose aim and purpose is far greater and exceeds what might be viewed as trivial Human issues (even rape and murder).
jesus is that you (JC) lol -for the bible thumpers out there the bible was not written by the almighty it was written by middle-eastern men a couple of thousand years ago for the purpose of controling the masses –appearently it still works - all fear based religions work that way and against each other - if there is a creator hes probably disgusted - not to mention not tending to his creation very well– the bible does state that god is no respector of persons –i think that means he doesn't deal with trivia like rape and murder or individuals problems - its also kind like a loop hole to say he gave humans free will and we are messin up the creation but free will to the ignorant is not free will it stupid– the ALMIGHTY would need to fix the ignorant part before throwin in the free will if he wanted the project to work - its like setting up the human race to fail otherwise...
for the einstiens thanks for the awesome info flowing here I am no einstien but I do recognize a farytale when i hear it...
Christianity was created a looong time ago in Rome by Constantine. It's a known fact, you can do research and find it anywhere. There was a debate on wether to preach the actual teaching's of Jesus or to shift them and create something that would instill power through fear. Which is exactly what they did. I'm not saying it's bad for people to believe in something, because it isn't. It just baffles me that people won't ever research what they're believing in to find the truth in it. Just thought I'd give a bit of history on that subject.
techincally, it said first there was nothing. and then there was light. and then....the rocks. and then....the water?
Actually the bible said that God created heaven, water, and the earth first, then he created light. Let's make sure we're clear about that.
Genisis Chapter 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Verse 2 implies that the earth had waters on it already when he created it. If this is true, then waters would have been in the heavens also when he created that. It is easy to distort Biblical facts when you don't reference them. That is how most modern day scientists work. The simple fact is that man is infinitely clueless compared to God's infinite knowledge and wisdom. He created the earth, distant planets, and every detail in them. And the simple fact is that God loves us so much that we are created in his image and there is no other race or species on any other planet!
And then the bitches!
BETWEEN CHAPTER 1 OF GENESIS AND CHAPTER 2 IS A SPACE OF MILLIONS OF YEARS!! IS NOT IN ORDER....
I would like to develop my "mathematical skills" to become a physicist. I like learning about "string theory" and the conceived work of other conceptual findings of physics. Physics as always given me a more justifiable meaning of the universe and it's existence. I would like to give my explanation as to why all dreams and thoughts are real and why are dreams and thoughts exist in other hidden symmetrical entities with there own entire set of quantum mechanics and "yes" I am talking a scientifically possibility, of dreams and thoughts being in existence. I'm sure you have herd of scientist who have given mathematical perspectives as to why there are parallel universes that have there own set of quantum mechanics. 5808850 Lisa vara
These sets of different "quantum mechanics" interwoven symmetrically within our universe, [multiverse] can tell us that "atoms" can arrange themselves to make different structures! and objects of matter and energy. Given with what I have just "stated" it can be said, that you, and even many of you [your body which is made out of atoms and quarks] exist in another time or in one of these different symmetrical universes, although it would be a better understanding to state "symmetrical entities interwoven within our universe, that have different laws of quantum mechanics." Example: let's say that you have a dream or even a thought of going down to the local gas station to purchase a cup of coffee and you only want three sugar packets in your cup of coffee and the time is 8:00 pm and while getting this cup of coffee you spill a small portion of it on your shirt this given example has also happened in another parallel universe [symmetrical entity with own set of quantum mechanics] with same results of your own dream or thoughts of conception that you have conceived. I have never come across a physicist or notion that has diagnosed this phenomenon. I call this reality of dreams and thoughts the "Murrey Ethan phenomenon" as a result of this justifiable notion. Written by Ethan murrey.
Yes, let's make sure that we pass the fairytale down correctly.
I'm glad "shells" put the order that god created things under your post. What "shells" failed to realize is that god could not have created earth and water before light. Photons are the basic unit of light and are the force carriers (bosons) of electromagnetism. You can't have earth or water (or anything composed of elements) without electromagnetism. So...what about that order of creation again, shells?
Photons, be nice, we all know that shells are Fermions. Just wish they would not crack in such an inconvenient manner when I am making my ommelette in the mornings.
@mongome
I actually laughed out loud at that one. Well played.
This science versus bible battle can be easily solved: let scientists do their work, let the religious people do the religion. Let scientists build radar telescopes and particle accelerators, let them win Nobel prizes. Let the religious people create religions and bibles and build churches. When everybody does his job it works fine. I think both still have enough work to do so they don't have to busbody the other ones.
Bible says there was nothing before 4000BC so stfu or join us in evolution.
Actually it doesn't say that. in fact it never conclusively says hold old the earth is. It uses the term days in genesis, but elsewhere that term has varying amounts of meaning.
God is Eternal, existing at all times, to Him its all one big day. the fact is our minds cant really wrap around the concept of eternity. so we try to figure out what a day means to God. I 'd rather just marvel at the wonders in the universe He gave us .
The bible does not in fact say that. The bible does not set an age for the world at all. The "4004 BC" hooey came from Bishop Ussher in the 17th century. (Who may or may not be related to Duck Dodgers in the 24th-and-a-half Century.)
God uses the term "days" so that we mortals can understand it. It is meant to be a period of time, or a period of creation. It is not to be taken literally as one earth day.
@SomeRandomGuy
Forget 'eternity'!
Humans can not logically define WTH is this thingy "God" either.
@Craig and Chris
The Bible was written by primitive old men who only can rationalize the existence of Earth, day/night, sun, moon, and some lights in the sky.
So it wasn't this thingy "God" (the Jewish-God) that used the terms "days", but JEWISH MEN who created the fairy-tales.
WTH is this thingy "God" (Jewish-God)?
Wait!!! What does the Qur'an say, or the Wall Street Journal?? We should take them into account too since they were written by a god, or a human, either way it ought to provide lots of laughs 😉
Sounds like you need to do a lot evolving to develop some innate intelligence. Good luck, you'll need it.
Read Case for the creator...about an atheist who sought out to prove that God does not exist.. May change you... if you want to criticize it...go ahead...can't change anyone if you can't change yourself..
And before water there was a singularity.
Bible also says Zombies exist ....
lol, no it doesn't say that.
I think he was referring to Jesus.
. Lazarus of Bethany is the subject of a miracle recounted only in the Gospel of John, in which Jesus restores Lazarus to life after four days dead. Zombie 🙂 – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus (source)
Can't wait to see that movie! Resident Evil – The New Testament
It actually says that there is water ABOVE the heavens (space) and BELOW the heavens (on Earth). You'd have to wonder how a text written over 3,000 years ago could get "that lucky" to the point where it's descriptions could only be fully understood in the 21st century. Not to mention a full description of the creation of life in STAGES, with each day representing millions of years of evolution. The order is largely correct, and man appears last. Is this all a lucky guess? You gotta wonder.
Genesis 1:7: And God made the heavens and divided the waters which were under the heavens from the waters which were above the heavans, and it was.
Thank Jah, there are still some humans who really read the Bible and are able to intelligently interpret its content with or without science. Come to think of it...the Bible had always given accurate facts about our earth and the universe before too-known scientist even figured out that the earth was spherical as well as the universe was still expanding at a dynamic rate...its all there in the account in Job, just read the full words not just some context. Read the Bible yourself and stop listening to uneducated pastors.
Efi, I am really glad you know both the content and context of the Bible, keeping reading for salvation is here. As we look at the intrinsic and complex design in creation, some who were dug from stones and are yet to develop their mental and God given intellect still claim we evolved, no wonder it takes a long time for such ones to figure out the reality of their being and the purpose of life itself. They just fool themselves and get their ears to be tickled.
the water described? could simply be rain. it would have seemed to people years ago as falling from above the heavens.
Curious that the Egyptians said the same thing a thousand or two years before before the bible about pre creation water (Nu)
But you are mixing two things that cannot be mixed. The myth of the two creation stories do not tell us science... it tells us who created. Science tells us how it was created and it deals with physical things. God cannot be measured... and I am speaking as one who has faith. Don't use the bible for something it should not be used for.
Maybe this water can help with the drought in Texas.
we need to build a really really long straw
I drink your milkshake!!
good one jason....lol
All you idiotic jesus freaks need some education. You believe god created the earth in 7 days 6,000 years ago? How ignorant can you be? Look at a fossil.. Carbon-dating will tell you the bible is a lie.
That's just the devil infecting scientists (he's like a virus, right?) and making them lie to the public about carbon dating. Oh! and the devil also planted the fossils there to mislead us. And Jesus used to ride dinosaurs. I'm jealous of Jesus, Goddamnit.
I agree with you about the Jesus Freaks. Religion has kept science held back for 2000 years. I know it won't happen in MY lifetime, but the earth will NEVER be safe until religion is DEAD...
What about the religion of governments? Or is that OK in your eyes? Worshipping of humans that control you is obviously much better than people believing a higher power that makes them do good. I guess the higher power of presidents, governments, police, etc. are all for the common good and never hurt anybody. I mean just ask the millions of people killed by cluster bombs, drone attacks, government created famine, etc. I'm sure they all do it for religion. That's why the Saudis and Egyptians are friends with Christian America, yet do not like Muslim Iran or Palestine who are friends with the Hindu Indians..... get a clue you moron.
Safe from what??
Martin Q, MORE humans have died throughout history due to religion than at the hands of all the governments combined. Partly due to the fact that until a few hundred years ago, most governments were controlled by the church. If Americans allow it, the Right Winged Christian Conservatives, AKA the Tea Party, will do that to this country.
As for WHAT the world will be safe from, WELL..... if I have to explain it to you, then it won't make much difference, will it. Religions have held mankind's advancement back for milleniums and seek to continue to do so. The Catholic Church, in case you don't know, fights against the use of condoms in African nations where AIDS and HIV are rampant. I just LOVE the way Christian Right wingers instantly react with name calling and indignancy when challenged.
@Martin Q
Why is it religious freaks try to turn everything else into a religion? Are you lonely? Does it somehow make you feel better if you bring everyone down to your primitive level? Claiming government or non-belief is religion not only shows a complete lack of understanding of the definition, its also pretty sad.
If anyone says the Bible is not true, and the Bible claims God (through Jesus) is truth, one of you is wrong. I am going with faith and pray for those of you to find it. God is not the one who is lost, we are....
Yes, if u mean false religion. Then I am with you. Anyone who decodes the Bible with the right instruments and mentality only draw the same conclusion, how did these ancient people get to know about all such deep things including so called new scientific discoveries, if there was no power beyond directing them to write as they did? Then again, those who have sincerely not read the Bible, will start marking a mockery out of every piece of info from the Bible. For crying out loud, would such ones just read the Bible for themselves before making needless arguments, what is the beauty of science if not the extensive speculations, theories, theorems, assumptions and what not...no wonder we keep on revising the science books. Go figure!
you fool
Actually you are one fool. Stupid.
doo doo head.
These are insecure people. They know their faith is dying and the stupidity they sell is no more credible.
Well you obviously don't believe in God so why do you care what others think or believe?
And you put your faith in science? The same science that one day tells us something is safe and the next that it is deadly? Is this the same science that lied about global warming? Maybe it is the same science that can't even agree on how the earth was created in the first place, or what made the dinosaurs extinct.
Yeah, keep putting your faith in that science and I'll put mine in the truth. Truth requires faith, something science will never have.
PEOPLE lied about global warming, not science. People lie about the facts, regardless of what's true. Your cute little belief in "the truth" is an antiquated obsession with fairy tales from a book, which is full of "facts" and "truths" that we all know to be bogus.
Mike, you must be a very successful scientist.
"truth requires faith" now that is a HOOT! NEVER has a statement been more wrong and yet, say so much about an entire group of people.
The interesting thing about science is that it's NEVER about absolutes, it's about challenge, it's about taking what we know and applying tests to it, trying to find the truth. Now, religion is about accepting absolutes without empirical data to back those beliefs up. Religion demands absolute FAITH, science rejects anything that is absolute.
Oh, please. You assume a person requires faith in something they can understand. As for you, you put your faith in a book because it makes sense to you and it 'feels' good. Well, not all of us are the same. I have faith we are humans, I have faith humans act good and they act badly. I have faith the sun will likely come up so on and so forth. I'm okay without an explanation dictating my behavior as I know how to behave – that is inherent. Do I care where this came from? No. I simply use science, to the best of my understanding, to make the best decision possible also knowing this information could lead me astray. Now, I will never use science as a reason to slaughter other humans as others have by misinterepreting the bible to allow that to happen. Also, I will never blame God, the Almighty Father, for allowing a child to die or someone to suffer – nor will I blame the devil. As I see it, if a child goes astray, what parent would be willing to damn them for an eternity? That does not fall in line with my parental instincts. Furthermore, if one of my children tortures and murders my other child, how would I think punishing/torturing the bad child would suffice as justice for the suffering of my innocent child? To me, heaven is mallarky and so is hell as no God, who we are supposedly made in the image of, would act so wildly different from the average parents of human kind.
Its a friggin book! Just sayin.
"Truth requires faith, something science will never have."
Ha! Hahahaahah! That is a good one. Let's see here:
truth –noun
1. the true or actual state of a matter: He tried to find out the truth.
2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement.
3. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths.
Hmm, I don't see anything about faith in there...
And as funny as this statement of yours is by itself, it is further enhanced by the irony of your simultaneous claim that people have faith in science. Which is it? Do they or don't they? Don't strain yourself choosing an answer, I'll help. No amount of faith is required to believe the answers that science provides, because science is based on observation and logic. Science is a system for obtaining facts; religion is a system for popularizing fairy tales.
As to the rest of your post...you need to realize that covering your ears and throwing a temper tantrum any time someone suggests you might be wrong actually does not make your beliefs correct. That is exactly what religion has done throughout history. Wait, nevermind, that's not correct. Historically religious leaders have had people executed for suggesting their views were wrong. My bad. The tantrum routine is just a recent development. That said, science changes with time as our body of knowledge continues to grow. It is fully expected, and actually beneficial, that science is able to identify and address its errors over time. That is how knowledge and society advance, through evolutionary improvements, not through ignorant, arrogant stubbornness. Face it bro, God didn't invent that computer you are typing on, scientists did. But I must say, if you can go design a car that runs on faith instead of gasoline, I'll convert to your religion in a heartbeat.
Mike, not getting on you, but you do realize it is science that allows us to have this discussion in this forum? Every time you get in your car and go to work, thats science. Everytime you take a plane, science, I think most people will tend to lean toward that because it is available directly. I am not saying there is no GOD, but I am pretty sure the earth is a lot older than 6000 years and so far I have not seen any GOD or GOD 's come talk to me thru a bush. I think most people just dont like the way so called christians try to force their beliefs on everyone else and then when we dont agree, we are some how damned or evil. Thats just not christians like, not that you did that, it just the discussion begins to take on its own tihng. I hope you find your faith to be relevant in the end even though Ido not believe in it as you do. With science, I am begining to think that the so call ed GODS were just travelers like we are to other planets that may have had some other capabilities we just have not developed yet.
Stop with the name calling and Bible bashing – it dimishes your arguement and makes you look like a fool.
Absolutely agree!!!
Debbie, it's only "bible bashing" when religious people are threatened by the truth. Those of us who don't believe in the fairy tale, we like to say that what we are doing is called a healthy debate of the facts and what that does is seriously threaten those who can't debate the issues. It goes back to this socially accepted idea that religion is off limits when it comes to debate or question. That is changing more and more every year as more and more of US, atheists, decide to step up and take our own stance against the foolishness of faith. So sorry if it offends you and others, we atheists have been offended by religious rhetoric for most of our lives.
You kids cut it out. Don't make me stop this universe!
Its not bible-bashing, it is showing the ignorance of the stance that the bible (written by man) is a fact.
ignorance is bliss. if you knew anything about the bible you would know that there is a timeline that is different that ours. so before you start trying to sound intelligent do your homework first moron. the bible and science can co-exist.
Christianity was created by one of the world's first great conman in order to keep those with the disposition of a sheep under his control. It works so well that sheep 2000 years later are still falling for it.
The bible and science will never "co-exist" as you say. Ninety-seven percent of the world's scientists do NOT believe in any validity of the bible or that there is a "personal" god of any kind. To say that they can exist together is only in the minds of those unwilling to face the truth. Sorry, try again.
Pst.. Ray, Lucifer says your full of it.
This is what creationists believe. They tried re-branding "creation science" into "intelligent design"...etc... But yeah, most of them are dumb. Sarah Palin is one of them...which just further proves that she's stupid.
If you have some time, watch "why do people laugh at Creationists" parts 1 through 35 on YouTube, presented by Thunderf00t. He puts their "theory" to shame with science facts.
It is reported that 97% of scientist do not believe in the Bible...I am not surprised, because the branch of science such ones practice have no clear significance to human development. Rather the 3% who includes those who did ancient remains or archeologist have proven again and again to be the ones who get the good funding...because they have found facts and historical document that has exonerated the Bible. The Bible is thought to be a Once upon a time....stuff till the facts kick you in the face that it was telling the truth and reality all these while. Those who want to led a miserable life and depressed and wish to avoid the dictates of their conscience always use the phrase, I am an atheist...what type of crap is atheism...even the demons believe in God and shudder. Atheism want to promote non-conformism and self centered, egomaniac rubbish and beware the laws will get such ones for their ignorant and arrogant folly. Even if you are fed up with the Church, just read the Bible for yourself and see the lies that the pastors preach in the name of the Father. Just read for yourself.
Who's to say that a day to God may means the same amount of time as a day to us on our planet called earth?
Dan, that is very funny, that you try to "explain" god's intentions. First, how do you know there is a god at all? Empirical evidence, please. Second, what evidence do you bring forth to support your claim that a day to god is different from a day to mankind? I'm just curious as to the "science" of your claim.
Ya, and who's to say that a day to a unicorn is the same as it is for santa clause? When you people start with the justifications and the apologetics, that's when the real fun begins.
It is much easier for you bible thumpies to get along in life without all that confusing science and facts to cloud your "truth".
What does God need with a starship?
@pushinback, Oh Heck to the nah, perfect, Which one was that ST6? the one with spock brother?
Please , in TX still debating to teach Darwin's theory or not
hahah
God created it all in 7 God days, not 7 man days. The Bible says, be not ignorant of this saying, One day to God is as a thousand years to man.
God created the earth in 6,000 years (God rested on the 7th day).
Actually to clerify, the Bible speaks only of the Earth and heavens, It does not speak of distant planets. So God could have created the earth and the heavens in 6,000 years and taken many more thousands of years to create distant planets. So in theory, the universe may be billions of years old. But who are we to say, we're only human. Our life span is only 70-120 years, how could we possibly speculate the age of the universe if we have only been alive for a speck of time. It's laughable that we even make an attempt to understand everything. Humans came from fish? tell me another joke! humans evolved from monkeys? Stop! Stop! I can't take it anymore! You're killing me!
OK so god created the earth in 6.000 years, that would make the earth about 12.000 years old by your definition. Now, using your logic please educate me on the rest of science, things like evolution, the dinosaurs, early man, fossils, the creation of things like the Grand Canyon, why there are sea shells at the top of Mt. Everest, things like that?
Shelly" God created the earth in 7 god days, not 7 man days"
I see. Can you please articulate the difference between a "god day" and a "man day".
I always thought a day was calculated by the time it took the earth to spin once on its Axis 23 hrs and 57 min.
Shells, I can tell you didn't evolve at all.
Good observation Brooks. I always say that when confonted with the truth, Christians will fall back on the same arguments time and time again, most without ANY empirical evidence whatsoever.
Truth is that nobody knows what the original authors intention was in terms of the length of creation days..hence we have both young earth and old earth creationists. The former can point to "and there was an evening and a morning" as evidence of a shorter time period for instance. Nevertheless the "Days" are fraught with error. Plants/Vegetation were created before the sun was, hence photosynthesis? Birds were created before land animals..birds came much later in the Fossil record than the earliest land animals. There are also two creation accounts in Genesis if you take a closer look. Your 6,000 years is still ridiculous based on geological evidence. What of the rest? Linguistics do not agree with the Tower of Babel. Noah's ark story is presposterous. 5 massive extinctions make's god look either incompetent, wishy washy and/or cruel. If he is eternal what was he doing before the creation of the universe? Just sitting there with arms folded? Why make life so precarious? We must eat, breathe, get rid of waste, sleep...all of these dependencies are pointless and counterproductive if he had all options availabe to him, not to mentioned disease etc. Well you look at the full picture it is pretty obvious YOUR god is not there.
WTH is this thingy "God" (ie. Jewish-God)?
Seriously, if you cannot logically answer this question, you are indeed an ATHEIST.
And did you not get the memo: EVOLUTION has DIRECTLY FALSIFIED the doctrine of ORIGINAL SIN.
ORIGINAL SIN must be true in order for "Jesus" of the Bible to be necessary.
We all must be descendants of Jewish people named Adam&Eve who disobeyed the Jewish-God, thus cursing all of man-kind to an existence of death and sorrow.
So go examine the doctrine of ORIGINAL SIN and ask yourself, in light of what we know as FACTS, is ORIGINAL SIN even plausible?
If ORIGINAL SIN is not plausible, then there is no need for the Jewish-God to reincarnate as "Jesus". Hence, Christianity is a LIE.
um... i think this has been said already, but that isn't in the bible. The days mentioned in genesis are God days not human ones; each of God's days could have lasted several billion years because God is everlasting. and it doesn't say anything about humans only existing 6000 yrs.
I wonder how this thing got here and what is its purpose?
what thing, the amount of money in ur bank acount. Send it to the homeless in L.A.
Gee, There is a 100 billion oceans of water, 12 billion light years away. Book me a vacation to this paradise.
Jesus already has dibs. It's where he goes extreme water tubing
Kind of blows big holes in that old god theory...Hmm..lets see 13 billion years vs 6000 years..hmm
Oddly enough, the only people who seem to believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old are Atheists. Most Theists realize that the Bible is not a How-To manual for building a planet.
So Christians aren't suppose to take the Bible literally?? I didn't read that anywhere. Sweet. And no, atheists make FUN of Christians who believe the Earth is 6,000 years old.
Never hera of any Atheists talking that stupid. Just in order to be heard ... don't pull anything out of your @$$. Tats the reason you don't have any credibility ... you insecure liars.
Really, the Bible isn't a how to build the earth manual? IF you don't take ALL of the bible literally, you can't take any of it seriously, it's as simple as that. The bible was written by men with little or no education that by today's standard would be considered functionally iliterate. Think about it, a second grader today has more knowledge of science than anyone who lived during the time of the writing of the bible. The earth isn't flat, demons are NOT responsible for illnesses, and the list goes on.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say the age of the planet. Biblical scholars for years have been trying to decipher the Bible's belief of how old the planet is by following the Bible's character's lineage. Nice try.
The Bible says God created the world in 6 days. One person's reality of a day is different than anothers. Who is to say what God really did do and didn't? Ill placed faith and lack of reasoning is what is behind all the athiests claims of Christian belief.
If you want to learn about Christianity you certainly don't ask an athiest.
Mike, I don't want to learn about the cursed malady of human existence called christianity, I want to watch it slowly shrivel up and cease. Where it becomes nothing more than a simple mythological interpretation of early human's primitive thought processes of the world around them.
The only Americans believe in this 6000 year story. Most of them are right wing Christians who are fed with this belief which would often be rebuked by Judeo Christian tradition.
This is a cult following with people with lower education are often trapped into this.
Bottom line ..... lack of education is the cause.
JC,
Nobody's keeping you in a Christian Nation against your will. There are plenty of places on earth where non-believers can move and practice their religion of science. How about Saudi Arabia?
The only reason you are free to believe in science is because of the Constitution which is built on Judeo-Christian principles that you seem to hate so much. The rights given to you are done so by God. Read your history book and perhaps your conflict between religion and science won't be so difficult for you.
SPA Knight, science is not a religion at all. All religions are based on faith, which is belief in the absence of evidence. Science is the pursuit of kowledge by obtaining supporting evidence and always being open to new evidence. Science (as a philosophy) is diametrically opposed to faith-based religions and so is frequently feared by leaders of religious organizations. There is sometimes little seperating religious faith from delusion and that hurts everyone.
SPA, the United States is not a Christian nation, it is a Masonic nation. If you truly want to argue that Freemasonry is founded on Christian principles, I humbly suggest you toodle off and do some very basic research on the subject.
I'd like to point out to SPA that he/she is quite wrong. The constitution is a social contract that we as citizens of a country (also a social contract) abide by. Although the values are Judeo-Christian in origin, these values are again, socially constructed. We can easily imagine places where the values and social constructs are very different. I guess in SPA's view, that would mean "God" didn't give them any rights?
Indeed it does. The bible is a book of mostly good morales and principles, but as far as perception of the stories as being entirely true... Well, I think you can finish that sentence.
Good morals and values? Have you even read the darn thing? The bible is about the most corrupt piece of fiction EVER written. There are more murders, rapes, plots, twists and turns, and evil done in the name of god within the bible than there are ANY morals or values lessons. See, this is the problem with religionist today, MOST of them haven't even read the bible and the ones who have chose to ignore the really juicy parts or make excuses for what they don't want to believe in.
I said mostly...
Work on your reading comprehension Marty, I am in no way supporting the bible. I am simply saying that you CAN derive good from it, NOT that most do...
First off, Ducey, the name is Martin, not Marty... thank you... Regardless, there really isn't any moral good in the bible, I challenge you to find ONE statement in the bible that is original and not written in an earlier text or that isn't so obvious as to be laughable. I wasn't attacking your statement, per se, as much as I was simply making an over reaching statement about the bible. Your logic is like saying something along the lines of "Hitler's statement about putting a chicken in every pot and a car in every driveway, somehow makes all the evil he did justified."
Once again, Martin, reading comprehension... The word original never appeared in my comment. I know it's all BS, believe me I fight with people about that WAY too often. All I was saying is that some people do take good away from it; not most, not all. And, "over reaching" is a good way to describe your previous comment.
However, seeing as we are on the same team, let's argue with someone who needs to be educated. Eventually, although we may be far from it, religion will be disproven and eradicated.
Duce you are correct and I apologize for jumping the gun on you there. I think we are both correct and as we are both on the same page and team, I agree we need to not argue amongst ourselves. Peace.
Agree with you, Duce. The bible is full of violence, rapes, pillage but there are also good in it. The problem is many Christian fundies resort to old testament verses to villiify or condemn those who do not share their beliefs, especaily the homosexuals as if they are God's chosen children and they are the only ones that will be saved. The bible is a good book, in general. It is the christian fundies who twist wha the bible says. I was born and raised as caholic and have always been thought to love all people regardless of who or what they are, and never pass judgement. I grew up being taught that Jesus loves everybody, and not just the believers. I am a non practicing catholic but I believe in God.... a compassionate and loving God.. not the violent and war mongering God that the christian fundies portray
I do not understand your post. Are you implying that this proves God does not exist?
This is the fountain of youth....
Now, i guess all I need to do now is hop on a Russian shuttle and I'll be like new real soon.
The Russian shuttle was decommissioned long ago due to cost.
Well, if we were in a rocketship traveling toward this at near the speed of light, when we eventually reached it (still a reeeallly long time), time will have passed much slower for those in the ship than those still on Earth because of relativity... so in a way.. you are right.
Which is really, really sad, as it was a sweet machine.
anything 12 billion light years away has long since died. Probably died before the earth was formed 4.6 billion years ago. Sorry California, your problems aren't solved just yet
At 12 billion yrs away, I'd imagine MOST/All the stars are long dead, although I guess new ones could form from the death of the older ones.
I used to have a Quasar VCR.
speaking of quasars and VCR's with all our technology, why have we not landed a rover on the moon, and let it set up shop roving around taking live 24/hr video? So we can see what types of changes/shifts the moon experiences day to day, hour to hour? By now we'd have some seriously cool timelapsed video wouldn't we? I'd like to wake up to see my morning weather report with live web cam in my area, side by side with a lunar weather report / web cam shot. That would be cool. But I guess our technology isn't good enough to do that. Or too expensive. Or the moon is useless, or maybe.... IT'S ALL A HOAX. It's one thing to fly a few hundred mi. in the air and float around in orbit. It's another to travel somewhere and land in outer space with cardboard, tinfoil, a timex sinclair 1000 processor and atari pong for a nav system, and some rocket fuel... Ain't buyin it!
Why would the government waste money on setting up a live feed from the moon just for you? Don't tell me you are one of those "flat earthers" too.
Yeah, I know. I sold it to you. It's still working? Wow. Hey, I got a Nova 8 track if you're interested.
So did I!!! It was a darn good one too!! hahaha
So, the Universe is not 10 thousand years old ? Darn, I have been missinformed.
I'm pretty sure it was told to be 6000 years old. C'mon Randall get the bronze aged teachings correct. Dinosaur bones were also buried in the earth by the devil to test mans faith, you know, just in case you didn't know that either. Just trying to help!
So I'm supposed to believe this, and at the same time, accept that they (scientists) still aren't able to figure out yet how to show me a live feed of the moon, with the flag and the rover left behind... nope. can't see it. not light years away, but far enough that we can't show you any high res pics with any tehcnology we know of... nope. But we can use a spectrograph in a college lab to find a QUASAR! WOOT!. And it's got billions of gallons of oil. i mean water. And oh, here's an artist's rendition of what it might look like. might. based on what exactly? Who's the artist, the scientist's 12 yr old? Here's my idea of what it looks like: --> <-- that's right. nothing. cause it isn't there. It's really the langoliers you fools.
@pismire – Wow, you are the living, breathing definition of a conspiracy theorist and/or moron.
Wow, I try to NOT call people names, but you are truly a moron. May I suggest that after you earn your GED that you enroll in a few college level science courses. I would recommend physics, but I doubt you are at that level yet, keep trying though, one should never stop learning.
If you have a college in or near your community, check out the names of graduating PhD candidates in technical fields (engineering, math, physics, chemistry, biological sciences, etc.), and draw your own conclusions about what the future holds for this country.
You only have to read many of the comments on this page to come to the same conclusion.
ALL Foreigners(*Indians and Asians)?
you wouldn't happen to be Norwegian would you? Written any manifestos recently?
Brownness! OMG, the KULLERD PEPLZE are coming! Run for your lives, pure Aryan stock! (which, ironically enough, were actually not white at all. Basic research is an amazing thing!)
lol. facts. They're the best!
Damn global warming!!!
I'm thirsty.
Of course there is water out there. God's gotta have some supplies to work with.
So god needs supplies? He can;t just create water? Then who created the supplies?
LMAO!!!
They can find this, but no intelligent life in Washington D.C.?
EGGGGZACTLY!
ZING!
There is ineligent life in DC. Like your 4 year old is intelligent, just easily prone to tantrums.
Water in the universe is MUCH more common (and easy to find) than intelligence in Washington.
What are we supposed to do with this information?
Sad that some people don't see knowledge as it's own reward. If it were up to them we'd still be in the Dark Ages.
Who says were aren't?
Learn about the universe, knuckle head.
Well, for one thing we can realize that the biblical story of the earth's creation (or what's in the torah or koran, or any other religion's book of stories) is just that, a story, with no basis in measurable fact. This does not necessarily mean that all the stories in the bible (or other religion's stories) are worthless, just that it if they can't get the beginning right...
When will science get the beginning right? If we follow the laws of the universe we cannot ever see what was before the big bang so how will science ever get the beginning right?
Justageek, why do you assume that there has to have been a beginning?
Well that's the problem of being inside the 'machine' (Universe). It also doesn't mean there was NOTHING before the Big Bang' just that ALL Rules/Laws/Particles and Time don't exist so it can't be explained.The temps get too high and the Gravity too intense for anything we call 'real' to exist.
I don't. But Science does. So to keep the big bang going the multiple universe theory was created.
I just find it ironic because science can never see before the big bang. They just have to have faith in what was before it which is what religious people say about what was before people.
New space Program?
You're supposed to:
1) wish for the space shuttles to come back;
2) put on some white sneakers and wait for the comet;
3) go get a big bucket and fetch us some intergalactic agua.
Sweet, we got the water. Now we just need some hot chicks in white t-shirts
There is a REASON ALL Christian groups who want to 'replicate' the Ark full size do it on land....Because on the 'Seas' it would be a Death Trap!
How does this make front page cnn headlines...I mean, cmon. 1 light year = 6 TRILLION miles, and this quasar is 12 billion light years away....
WTF does this matter.
How does this make front page cnn headlines...I mean, cmon. 1 light year = 6 TRILLION miles, and this quasar is 12 billion light years away....
WTF does this matter.
–> WTF does JLo turning 42 matter?
That's some funny sh*t right there......
It matters because some people are actually intelligent and want to know more about the Universe, strange as it may seem to you.
But her crows-feet are finally starting to show! And cellulite, too!! I need to know these things to make myself feel better about my incredibly average body!! Screw knowing anything about the universe.
Scientists are crackpots who put forth this big bang theory...why can't they just accept that the universe, is well, universal? It goes on for infinity...there was no beginning and there will be no end – to the universe.
The big bang theory is based on observable measurements. What do you base your wild assertion upon?
But cannot explain what was before it so a big bang is just a blip in something bigger maybe.
Actually, the only think that is infinite is human stupidity
M Theory
The knowlege of Jenna from NYC > Scientists
Teach us all you know Jenna the Wise.
Your Mississippi public school system education is showing it's limits. There is growing evidence that there are many universes and that ours is finite (the fact that the night sky is not as bright as it is during the day argues that it has not been around forever). You might want to spend more time watching the Science and Discovery channels and less time on sitcoms and Faux News.
Right.....crackpots that invented everything that keeps you alive and you butt off the pavement. You know the stuff – energy, food, medical care, transportation, communication etc, etc.
You give females a bad rap Jenna, from NYC.
Universe = "All existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the big bang about 13 billion years ago."
Just because something is very, very large doesn't mean that it doesn't come to an 'end' of some sort. And I doubt there are any puffy clouds and large dude with a white cloak waiting on the other side.
These scientists are crackpots. They make wild guesses on minimal information just to get headlines. My take: there is enough chocolate syrup in the outer planets to make a great big sundae – and the aliens in Uranus have the whipped cream to spare. Now someone prove me wrong or wait 1000 years til we get there for the truth! Such Hooey. We may not miss NASA after all this rubbish.
I bet you didn't go past the 5th grade in school.
they base ideas on facts. using those facts to predict....
where as these bibles yall tote written by dudes high on opiates are 100% fact based on nothing
Using facts to predict still does not guarentee an absolute although it sure does help.
Why do you blaspheme God? You should read the bible, its history and its origins before you make such a complete "fool" of yourself. The sad heritage of liberalism is a warning to all believers to continue firm in the conviction that Scripture alone is God's inspired and authoritative Word from which one learns the truth that alone can set people free.
Sola Scriptura
Keep your blinders on,keep your fingers in your ears and keep singing hosannahs at the top of your lungs. That way you can profess ignorance when God asks you why you were such an ignorant, know-nothing schmuck all your life.
@ Michael E.
Yeah, that's right, just keep going with the whole, "Anything that helps lend creadance to the fairytale that is Christianity we need to hold up and yell about to try to prove our point, anything that runs counter to our belief is wrong and is evidence that we need to stand firm in our beliefs...
The problem with a belief is you can't change it, anytime something is called a "belief", any evidence that is put forward that doesn't support it is either blasphemey, fake, the devil or someone trying to weaken the faith of others.
Give me a break. In any other instance, someone looking cold-hard facts in the face and saying, "I still dont' believe it" would be called insane, stupid, crazy, idiotic or worse.
Imagine if a roofer was told the way they were doing a particular roof was wrong, was shown evidence of it, and still kept at it... He would be in prison.
I just find this particular symptom of the brain-washing that is mainstream religion to be particularly frustrating. Even worse than the circular reasoning of, "There was nothing before God, because God has always been, so there couldn't have been something before God if he has always been,".
You can claim that, but you have no proof, no evidence whatsoever to back your claim. On the other hand, the scientists have evidence from the spectroscopy they have done. Spectroscopy is a well proven way to determine what elements are present. If you are going to bash their test results it would be a good idea to have some of your own, not some off the cuff remark that only proves your ignorance.
Of course they have actual data that you couldn't disprove if you lived to be a 1000. Meanwhile you'll take a book written by ancient desert dwellers as absolute fact based off of nothing more than your parents told you so.
Let me know when they find a Guinness quasar so I can book a one-way flight.
Lol...
The secrets we can learn that took place in the universe, light years back in time, yet, we can't figure out how some people moved a few rocks that weigh several hundred tons just a few thousand years ago.
Actually we have several good ideas as to how such massive stones were quarried, shaped and moved. Look it up. Such amazing examples of human ingenuity don't require lasers and antigravity.
I am so glad we have discovered this. Next time our oceans run dry we will know where to get more.
Yeah, 6 million light yrs up hill, and another 6 million down.
One can believe in Science and God. One does not exclude the other. The science of the cosmos could best be defined as the search for God / the Universe's creator – the truth.
The big bang originated from a singularity that has never existed since. A singularity impossibly small yet impossibly dense – fill with all 4 of the Universe's forces. The universe as we know it today came about due to a process called Inflation – a time less than 1 second that the Universe did not adhere to the limitations of physics we know them as today. The speed of light was broken.
At first there was nothing. A dark void if you will. Then, from something many, many times smaller than an atom, a "bang" occurs – and light explodes into the nothingness.
Let there be light.
Believe what you want. But, just know that its very close minded to believe that Science disproves the existence of our Creator. For me personally, and I am someone who studies both Science and Religion, it seems much more of a fairy tale to believe that we exist from nothing than it is to believe in God.
Heck, go do some research on life after death. Near Death Experiences. The ability of the conscious mind to exist after death. Scientists are studying these concepts all the time. Countless reports have factually proven out of body experiences.
Again, believe what you will; we will each have our own moment of truth in due time.
I absolutely agree with your post. I've based my spiritual beliefs on what I've read about Near Death Experiences.
Please, god is nothing more than a bedtime story used to scare little mindless children into following rules. There is no god much like there is no spoon. Once you realize that it's not real, you can bend it any way you like...
So you believe in science...where we came from nothing into something? How is that easier to believe than in a God?
I'm not saying that god does or does not exist, but to claim that divine creation is somehow more logical than the theory of the big bang is offensively ludicrous.
I think there are 2 places a lot of people get confused:
1. The big bang defies physics, hence it calls into question that which can not be understood. Everything had to have originated from somewhere... in my opinion, this origination would be GOD..not Allah, not Yahew, not Jehovah, but GOD, that initiating force that put all that is into being...in this sense, the big bang and the creation theory find commonality. Nowhere does the big bang state that the origination could not have been conceived by a GOD force. Hell, even Einstein believed in a GOD.
2. People tend to take religion too personally. I do not ascribe to any religion, but I do believe in a GOD. I am also an engineer (by college degree)..no longer practice in the field. Hence, due to logical and scientific reasoning, I can argue for the existence of GOD who set things in motion. The RELIGIOUS people (whether it be christians, hebrews, moslems, satanists, athiests or whatever) have a bone to pick one with the other, hence their statements and reasoning (if you could call it that) are more emotional than rational.
The bible was never meant to be interpreted word for word. It is like a poem, with hidden meanings, and you have to read between the lines to understand what is being said. It would be similar to reading works by Confuscious, Sun Tzu, Mohammed (Quaran). These are simply writings with deeper meanings, which is why monks lock themselves up in mountains living with goats, seeking THE DEEPER understanding of these teachings.People who interpret these documents word for word end up confused. Additionally, remember that at the Council of Nice (in I believe 300 A.D), the bible was essentially compiled..there were numerous chapters that were ommitted (to serve political purposes). The Quoran and Torah are more intact in their original form, as are the budhist teachings.
You're absolutely positive it was God – and not one of the others. How does one go about reaching this absolute?
"The big bang defies physics, hence it calls into question that which can not be understood."
Aside from making no sense, that sentence ignores the obvious fact that hypotheses about the alleged Big Bang represent physics at its purest, principally mathematical physics.
"Everything had to have originated from somewhere... in my opinion, this origination would be GOD."
The first half of that sentence indicates your lack of knowledge about current cosmological origins hypotheses. The second half is a statement of belief, your own personal belief. For you, GOD is a default condition. Now all you have to do is prove that statement, using the same tools and techniques science has used to develop the Big Bang model, which, by the way, is not a scientific theory but a hypothesis, as physicists have not yet absolutely established the model's validity through scientific evidence and observations, although it's the best guess so far.
So prove away. I'll hold your coat. 🙂
So you believe a "god" set things in motion? Who or what was this god? Was he/she/it some sentient being or was he/she/it nothing more than physics doing what physics does? Where is your empirical evidence for this god thing? Are you sure it wasn't Zeus? I mean what makes the Christian god any more real than the some 20,000 other gods that have been proven to be myth and nothing more?
You're entitled to your own opinion and religious hoo hah.....but quit making up "facts." There was no light after the Big Bang.......it took a long long time for giant stars to be born that would eventually go hypernova and start seeding the early cosmos with heavy elements.
Nothing produce only nothing????? When you look at the clock do think about big bang no...you probley think about the intelligent disigner?? When I look at the stars, trees, birds, fish , human and etc.... I think there should be intelligent disigner...what do you think???
You need a booster shot of Science. Belief is gaining the upper hand. 🙂
1. "The science of the cosmos could best be defined as the search for God / the Universe's creator – the truth."
Nothing could be further from the truth. Science is based on open inquiry without any presuppositions. ONE of the questions in cosmology is the origin of the universe we perceive. There are several hypotheses about what happened, but no certainties because of the extreme difficulty of subjecting the universe to a verification experiment. Science has no interest in philosophical truth, only research accuracy.
2. You misconstrue the significance of the inflation hypothesis in scientific debate about the universe's origin. As time and space came into being simultaneously, the later rules of physics didn't apply. And again, inflation is only one hypothesis of many, and not acceptable to many cosmologists.
3. "At first there was nothing." This is one of the most difficult concepts for laymen to understand. Nobody knows what there was for spacetime suddenly to explode into. It may not be possible to know. If you want to know the state of scientific research on the topic, I highly recommend, "Nothing : a very short introduction" by Frank Close. Check your local library.
4. "Believe what you want. But, just know that its very close minded to believe that Science disproves the existence of our Creator."
Once again, you're assuming that the purpose of Science is to prove or disprove the existence of a creator. Science doesn't care about theology. What you believe and what is are radically different concepts. A man named David Icke (qv) sincerely believes that Earth has been invaded by giant shape-shifting lizards. That's a belief. You will never see it discussed in a scientific forum because it's a belief, not a fact.
5. "Heck, go do some research on life after death. Near Death Experiences. The ability of the conscious mind to exist after death. Scientists are studying these concepts all the time. Countless reports have factually proven out of body experiences."
Now you've made a gigantic leap into another subject which has nothing to do with cosmology. Yes, scientists are investigating NDEs, just as they investigate other psychological phenomena. SOME research has led to perplexing discoveries that can be verified. But scientific proof requires conditions that anecdotal evidence can't supply, among them duplicatability and repeatability. Most NDEs are one-off incidents, and ethical laws prevent us from experimentally killing off and retrieving a large enough sample of people to be able to furnish the basis for further investigation. From a scientific point of view nothing about NDEs has been proven, since the basis for scientific proof hasn't been met, and may not be able to be met.
To borrow a word from the Christians, "AMEN"
Bring a towel.
it is ridiculously arrogant to assume that Earth is the only planet with life on it.
Don't be silly! Earth IS the only planet with life in it, in it's neighborhood of the solar system. 😉
Only planet and only star. The rest is painted on the ceiling. NO proof of anything else. Just scientists making up theory to get publicity for funding. The moon IS made of cheese – but its not swiss but cheddar! Hey – they just eliminated Pluto – see how easy it is to change their stories. All made up and you cant prove otherwise. Spend the money here. Lets nuke the whales! They just take up space and p in the ocean more then in a quasar!
You are not a smart person.
You're wacked buddy
Earth may be the only place that has our kind of life on it. Given the randomness of Earth's evolutionary history, it's possible an entirely different sort of creature might have risen to rule it instead of Homo sap. And all bets are off when it comes to evolution in other star systems. The hardest thing about recognizing life out there may be its utter alienness.
Interesting, I guess you could have some sort of 'crystalline' life or other non carbon based, but if you look at 'advanced' life on Earth, it is AMAZING how common and similar 'Tetra-pods' are.
Arrogant? How dare you!
Did we learn nothing from the movie Alien? Let's agree not to go out there. But I could see the marketing execs drooling, eg, "Milky Way Bottled Water, light years of H2O brought to you!" -Art
Go ahead and go. It's long gone now. Like 12 billion years gone. Some would have gone into the singularity, the rest dispersed through space over time.
Actually, a fair amount is probably frozen on planets around dead stars by now.
Relativity, learn more.
Did we learn nothing from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe"? 🙂 Always try to separate the fictional from the real. Otherwise you'll spend a fortune on Godzilla defenses.
well if you think it can fill the ocean 100 trillion times, I say go for it, hotshot.
I bet you don't even fill it 1 trillion times.
I bet it doesnt get filled even once, not even a drop.......
I always wonder how come it is exactly 1 trillion times... not one more or one less... how come everything is rounded off to the nearest largest 'illion'... since when did the count on the space was exactly x times of human counting base of 10? If they just wanted to say so many many times... they should just stick to that: 'many many times'.... just saying.... 🙂
MOST of the audience for this blog aren't conversant with exponential notation of masses, hence it's approximated to explain to those laypersons who are not conversant.
In other words, because it's easier??? duh to you Wzrd...
Deepak, you need smaller things to think about
Yeah... you are right... maybe... that is despite hearing about the number 'trillions' every day...every minute.... I'm sure it wouldn't make a difference and no one would dare to question the scientist if he comes back tomorrow and clarifies... "oops I'm sorry it was 1000 trillion and not 100 trillion (missed a zero)".... 🙂 beyond a magic number (10 times my bank balance?!!), the 'awe' curve is flat for me.... whats your number?
The number is given as a nice round 100 trillion, but that is merely because it is an estimate. If the number given was 98.9 trillion, it would suggest precision that doesn't really exist. The estimate is at best an order or magnitude, so it is given as 100 trillion. See significant digits.
The universe full of wonders. Let's marvel at them rather than wasting our time getting angry about religious and political dogma. All together now: Water? Really? Weird. Cool!
Awesome.
But.. but.. can we shoot other people who don't think it's AS cool as I do....? ?
i do like the artist's depiction. relativistic jets. how interesting! simply huge!
Here we have the world according to bloggers.
Just kayaked it over the weekend. Great time.
Either way you want to argue it, people need to check their grammar before posting. You look more idiotic by your bad grammar than by your comments.
Are you the grammer ploice. get over it. people type fast. if your only on here to check spelling go get a life.
it's "Police"
and "grammar"
Thanks for proving Tito's point. Fast typing does not result in bad grammar, laziness and/or a lack of intelligence does. (also, it's "you're" not "your")
I suspect that he was misspelling on poipus.
Don't forget "you're"
"you're" not your
It's about communicating, in a language, which incorporates a dictionary and a grammar. What you're rationalizing is sloppy arrogance of "I've so much to say" but "can't be bothered about how I say it."
Grow up.
you sir are an ass!!!
there you go! That's more better 🙂
No it is "your" grammar, as in "she is your mother" or "you live in your house." To use you're you would say something like "you're sure you wrote the right reply?"
The human idea and vision of God is limited as we only see God in terms of ourselves. but this is no reason to dismiss God or the idea of a master creator. Our knowledge is far to limited. The Big Bang is a workable theory, but what caused the Big Bang? Discovering this much water at the far reaches of the Universe is incredible and wonderful. Unfortunately, the comments above, satirical or not, clearly demonstrate the intellectual limitations of our human minds.
It's not necessary for there to be anything prior to the Big Bang. Check out Inflationary theory. It is possible for a quantum fluctuation to "pop" into existence, then "expand" into all the matter in the entire universe with out ever "popping" back out of existance, in certain situations.
Exactamundo Stan. But that's too hard to understand for primitives so they prefer the simple solution, invent an omnipotent, omniscient being to explain it all away.
What causes the quantum fluctuation? Why would this happen?
Why must something cause the big bang for it to happen? I'm neither a supporter of the big bang or the theory of an all powerful being. Nothing causes a god, and also, the big bang could have been caused by so much energy in the huge mass just beggining to escape. think of a nuclear reactor thats about to blow, no one messed with it, but no one regulated the power
Some people don't believe those 'Egghead' Scientists, so here for example is Einstein's E=MC2 in Visual form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-LNJBYl-U
...lost me after the "Black Hole" garbage... It's bunk. Same with dark matter and dark energy... From a laymans point of view, they might just as well say "It's magic".
sorry you're such an idiot.
and you know it all ?you have a telescope you camp on and study the universe ? check out the classification of dark mater n energy before you open mouth and insert LEG !!!
you know that is why they call it "dark" matter and "dark" enery in the first place. they do not have the solutions to many questions/observations as of yet. anyway to me it is mindboggling the great amounts energy/mass and the time/distances involved now that we are starting to get a good look around the universe.
Yes DJ... the universe works on magic. Now run along with your shiny tinfoil ball.
It wouldn't hurt laymen to try and stretch their minds a little. CNN may be sloppy and inefficient, but at least they're trying to bring some wonder and amazement to your humdrum, workaday world.
Simply because you haven't taken the time to understand the physics of these phenomena doesn't mean you can dismiss it all as "garbage." That marks you as a know-nothing, first class. Understand the physics involved, then make a comment pertinent to the subject.
Sadly, there are more people like you in America than there are people who can discuss the subject intelligently. Look where the USA places on international science and math tests. Then look at Chinese scores to see the handwriting on the wall....
When will quasar water be available at 7-11?
In a bout a hundred million years so wait for it.
It already is... they call it a Slurpee.
I feel sorry for Brad Lendon, writing a good report about science, and getting nothing but crackpot, lame-brained comments from religious fanatics.
When he started trying to provide time scale and sizes, the wording and phrasing could have been better.
But, not a bad report.
I seem to recall some nebulae that are largely ethanol too.
Comet whiskey, anyone? 😉
(Yes, I KNOW that the ethanol is loaded with other toxic chemicals, but a LOT of astronomers made similar jokes...)
Wow! Just imagine how much plastic garbage we could dump into that.
Water water everywhere and not a drop to drink! BCG!
"The waters above" indeed...
For those who don't know the reference: "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven." (Genesis 1:6 – 1:8)
Really? Are you serious?
This was 12 billion years ago,long before the Sun and Earth formed, not 6,000 years ago as the young earth creationists claim. However, you get today's Biblical Chutzpah Award for trying to link a water source 12 billion light years distant to the creation myth of a minor Canaanite tribe in yesteryear's Middle East.
He could have been quoting the Popol Vuh: "That’s the way the creation of the earth was, when it was formed by the Heart of Heaven, the Heart of the Earth. That’s what the first ones were called, when heaven was in suspension and the earth was found submerged in the water."
Did God say it in English or in madeupspeak?
Why shouldn't he be serious? It didn't sound to me like he was using this as some sort of creationism thing. I think people need to understand the Bible – regardless of it's position as a religious text – is an incredibly important literary text which has been profoundly influential. Being ignorant of the Bible as literature really closes you off from a better appreciation of everything from Arthur Clarke to Hemmingway to Henry Miller to Hermen Hesse. You don't have to believe in the Bible to appreciate it as writing.
@isolate – Who's trying to link anything? I'm just talking here. Furthermore, I'd also point out that at no point did I claim that the universe is basically an egg floating in the celestial waters - which is what the cosmology of Genesis comes down to.
Not to get all creationist here. It's just interesting to me, that's all.
Honestly, that quote is perfectly applicable from a literary perspective. Don't assume he's crazy because he happens to be quoting a religious text still in use. We all use mythological and literary references when we communicate.
But does it have dolphins, or beaches ? Did some alien oil company pollute it with alien crude ?
How do they know it's water?
They are assuming. It is soooo far away. They should be sure it is a FACT before saying that it is water. And honestly we may never know, but to say it is water......
They KNOW it's water from the spectrum.
Get an education you clown.
science understanding fail. hint...look up the purpose of a spectrometer.
They can tell through a process called spectroscopy. Light interacts with different forms of matter and different elements in different ways. Each element and combination of elements reflects and refracts light differently, and that way, scientists can identify elements and compounds at great distances.
Thank you. Saved me some time.
Not really. They look at absorbtion and emission spectra. Gotta figure in doppler shift also.
they used a spectrograph to seperate the light waves emitted by the object to identify what materials were inside of it.... Astronomy 101...
They drank some silly....
They made Kool-Aid... want some?
They know it's water because they used a spectrograph as the article mentioned. The radiation from the quasar excites the molecules in the water cloud causing them to emit a pattern (hence "spectro" as in spectrum of light) distinct from what other molecules emit when similarly in an excited state. Basic high school chemistry.
why dont you drive there and find out yourself?
Wow – this is the rudest group of commentors ever! Not everyone clung to every word in high school science – some of us just barely got by. And many of us never took Astronomy as our science choice in college – give us a break! But I bet you flunked in the arts. Different strokes people – be nice and let's try educating instead of insulting. Thanks to those of you that bothered reminding and/or educating.
Debbie, most of the comments were not rude. The snarky ones were in response to the poster who said there was no way anyone could know and scientists are just guessing. Snark deserves snark.
Why is it everytime, a good discussion of science is going on someone always brings in GOD or the Bible? Seriously, bible written by man, probably the first good Sci-Fi ever writen, secondly GOD. GOD, easter bunny, and toothfairy, great ideas to give people somethying to believe in. But Space, stars, moons, planets, these we can touch, see, feel, not figments of the imagination.
Hard to believe in God but science says we came from 'nothing' in a big bang. Hard to beleive in that as well yet here we are...discussing water far far away.
If you think about it logically, the very first thing that ever existed, being the first, cannot come from something else. So there as got to be something that came out of nothing. But that not making much sense either, maybe or notion of what nothing is, is wrong. Maybe nothing is simply infinite energy, never created, never beginning, not made by god, not violating any laws of physics. It was always there, because it never existed, but it does...
Looks like someone's headed for the basement, not the penthouse...
So your an accident, just by mere chance your here. Why do we have the right amount of oxygen, the right amount of water, the perfect distance from the sun, the moon in the perfect spot for tides, all the right plants and animals to sustain life, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. You may be an accident of your mother and dad.
You are correct only if you look at it from a result point of view. U assume we must have been, and are, the end result. If you use that argument, then yes, the countless conditions needed to create us would have to be very specific.
However, I disagreed, I think we are merely a result of chance and that result is just one in billions other ways it could have turned out.
Because this is where all that stuff came together. There are plenty of other places where other stuff happened that could never produce humans, but we will find life there, and this stupid argument of your will go away.
Another moron. You realize it took MILLIONS of years for the Earth to get to the right stage in its development to support life? And in a few million more years, the Earth will disintigrate as it is pulled into the sun? Your puny existence is nothing compared to the solar scale. We have already proven 2 of the 3 base needs required for life to start scientifically. The 3rd is coming.
Everything here is just perfect for us because without those conditions, life as we know it wouldn't have arisen here. You're thinking that the Earth has the right conditions so humanity can live on it while science says that humanity wouldn't live here if it wasn't for the conditions. By not understanding that any planet with the right combination of elements, historical events, etc would likely support life and this is the one we happened to evolve on, you're conflating cause and effect.
I'm with you Emil.....
Dear Moron, we have the exact amount of oxygen we need because we evolved on this planet and adapted to its conditions and atmosphere. You cant be serious with hat comment... Please leave God and other ridiculous fairy tales for story time with your kids, this is an article about science... Science is the reason you are able to read this article on the internet and drive to work in your car everyday. My car runs on gasoline, not magic juice...
It is pure chance. In countless other planets, where the conditions were not right for life, creatures did not have a chance to develop a large brain to start thinking they were the center of the universe. Humanity now largely accepts that the earth and the sun are not the center of the universe, however, a large part of humanity still likes to think that humans are the center of universe. That this whole universe was made just for us. When we finally find life outside of earth, I hope this idea (and religion!) disappears as well.
Put another way (back to your question), life on earth has evolved to thrive in the environment it has evolved in. Fishes are perfectly adapted to oceans and monkeys to trees because they have evolved over millions of years to do so.
this is all guessing. No one knows because no one has been there, no one has been there to conduct science they are observing from a behind the window of distance. no one has ever been to the nearest star they are only assuming distance by red shift movement. whoever mapped redshift for the stars was guessing. therefore all this so called science is speculative. Real science requires the experiment to be observed, and repeated under the same conditions every time. This is all fun but the truth is no one knows becuase they are not there to observe it. Just fun and games at tax payer expense.
You're an idiot. Did you just look-up Spectroscopy on Wikipedia and now consider yourself an expert? You're utterly clueless. And 'noone has been to the nearest star' ,,, are you drunk? You do know the sun us the nearest star right?
@quickstrong – you're funny...hit the pipe again.
Ignore the more educated morons among us as they are not trying to educate. I am not a scientist, but I have had this discussion in the past. While it's true that, of course, they are not there – they can measure distance by light rays. You start out with a simple known amount and multiply it by what you know to be true (i.e we KNOW how many miles it is to the moon for instance). Using that number you can derive others. It's like when you make a cake. You know you need 2.5 cups of flour and add other ingredients then you will get one cake, and if you need to make 2 cakes you multiply the 2.5 cups to get your desired number of cakes. That's sort of a simplified explanation, but hopefully you get the point. So when they say it's "X" miles away and that they 'see' water – they are actually using the tools of known items from the past and applying that to the data they are receiving. Believe it – there is water out there. Have a good day.
to Johnk Are you saying some one has gone to the nearest star ie the sun? And if you are, are you drunk? True science says that if you can not prove it it's a theory not fact. they don't know the age of the universe let alone the earth. they speculate on how the dinosaurs died out. if all the life on Earth was caused by an "accident" then how come the same "accidents" keeps recurring. Theorys, speculations, assumptions do not make it a fact.
Brendainpa, how do you know the sun will rise tomorrow? How can you prove it? You can't. You can only speculate that the sun will rise tomorrow based on previous observations of the sun rising. You can be reasonably sure the sun has risen in the past and will continue to rise. However, using your criteria we can't prove it until it has happened and we should just consider it the "Sun Also Rises Theory".
However, we do know there is water around this distant quasar because it has been directly observed. Have we touched the water with our hands? No. But when we see water striking our windows do we need to open them to feel the rain to know its water? Likewise, water molecules will display a very distinct spectra. This spectra is constant through the universe and through time. So if we see the spectra of water in our observations we *know* there is water there. It's as good as opening the window to feel the rain.
So just as we can say that the sun *will* indeed rise tomorrow we can say that there *is* water around this distant quasar.
Dear Johnk OH so you know someone who has been to our star? stop talking out of your this is as close to junk science as it gets.
It must be an amazing sensation to be the only human in history with the ability to touch, see and feel space, stars, moons and planets. When I look up all I see is lights that are out of my reach.
Maybe because anytime there's an article about God, faith, or religion, the atheists come on and talk about the Big Myth, the fairytale man in the sky. I believe in God AND I believe in science, but it is quite humorous really when the science buffs mock religious faith while it is a known FACT that science understands LESS than 1% of the universe. The theory of Quantum Energy states that this substance cannot be seen, touch, or detected, but it's out there and comprises 73% of the universe. Talk about taking a leap of faith.
And we can touch this quassar or are we taking a leap of faith in believing what someone else says? The Big Bang theory is no more or less believable than the 7 day theory...to this agnostic, anyway.
Just for the record, for all intents and purposes this particular quasar IS more or less a figment of your imagination. You didn't see it, you can't feel it, and you will never touch it. Bottom line: you're trusting the guy at the front of the room in the funny coat and everything he tells you. And, beyond that, the odds are that you are never going to attempt to verify or replicate their research. Could you? Maybe. Will you? Probably not.
For all you Bible thumpers who believe water is Rare outside of Earth:
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the known Universe; helium is second. However, after this, the rank of abundance does not continue to correspond to the atomic number; oxygen has abundance rank 3, but atomic number 8. All others are substantially less common. So the most abundant element, than you have Helium( which is a noble gas, and doesn't react with anything) than Oxygen, which combines NICELY with Hydrogen to produce, wait for it.....WATER!
The problem is that it requires a star to create heavier elements (those very present here on earth); but for a star to form, you need heavy elements to create the gravitational pull. So there's this problem that cannot be resolved and is probably the reason why we have never "observed" the formation of a star–it's pure guess work! It's much simpler to hold to the expanation that Jesus created the stars simply sy saying, "let there be stars".
No, you don't need heavy elements to form a star, you just need gravity and hydrogen. Heavy elements just make it easier to form smaller stars (like sun-sized) relative to huge stars.
Why do you need heavy elements for a star, enough Hydrogen gas in one area will start to compress and pull in more gas until it becomes a star?
Wally, Wow...it's time for you to go back to school for some basic science education. If one gets enough Hydrogen in the same general area, it may eventually gravitate into a ball of gas with enough density to start the fusion process. A newborn star does not require iron, for example, to be a star. But one does need a star to create heavier elements. Please be man enough to admit you are wrong or just continue deluding yourself.
you dont need heavy elements to create a star. you just need enough hydrogen in one spot. gravity will do the rest from there.
First-generation stars used the universal gravitational attraction of hydrogen particles for each other to amass densities sufficient for nuclear ignition. Gravity doesn't stop working because the only particles it has to work on have little mass. Older stars, as they ran out of hydrogen, then helium, fell back on chemical reactions to create light and heat which incidentally formed the other non-manmade elements of the periodic table.
Your local library has lots of books that explain the process, and information about the process is easily available online by searching for STAR FORMATION.
Isolate,
The heavier elements were decidedly NOT made by chemical reactions in a star from lighter elements.
Check out supernovae, and how they are created, in NUCLEAR reactions.
We've got a lot of aged children-left-behind.
Heavier elements help-having a 'seed' such as an asteroid in space will attract hydrogen molecules in a hydrogen gas-rich environment.
That's trippy that they're looking at something from 12 billion years ago.
Indeed.
And this helps us how? So there is water 12 billion light years away. I have water at my kitchen sink 10 feet away. The space program is a waste of my money. Maybe the water tastes different. I'll be back in 24 billion light years to let everyone know – wish me God Speed!!
A light year is a measure of distance, not speed.
Exactly, it is a measure of distance. Like I said, I'll be back in 24 billion years if I can find a way to travel at 186,000 miles per second. Otherwise, it may take a little longer!
Actually a light year is a measurment of time and distance simultaneously...
You are proof that our educational system is in need of an overhaul.
Do me a favor and throw out all your modern electronics, especially your satellite dish; dump your Tang, and all your freeze-dried and irradiated instant foods; fire your cardiologist, neurologist, and heck, your GP while you're at it; stop checking weather forecasts; forget about any communications that use satellites, or microwave technology; throw out the bulk of your modern medicines; ditch your rip-stop nylon and your velcro; but save that duct tape to cover your mouth, eyes, and every orifice on your body because this is just a SMALL sample of what the space program has brought to you.
As I said, the space program is good for nothing – other than orbiting communication satellites (which I should have referenced in my original post). All that other stuff, could easily have some from outside of the program (if the space program never existed) and in fact, many of the items you mentioned were not developed/invented due to the space program but were ADAPTED to the needs of the program from existing technologies/inventions. Nuf said.
Ever hear the advice (from Sam Clemens?) about never arguing with a pig- something like "you can't win, and will only make him mad."
Applies here.
I believe the Clemens quote is – Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes time and annoys the pig.
However, I'm not annoyed and all are excused as most are likely a bunch of ex-shuttle employees figuring out which career to enter next.
Go back to strokin' to your Counterstrike stats.
And as Grog sits in his cave thousands of years ago he says to himself as he burns his finger tip in his first fire...how can this help us???
The incurious among us, like you, are, well a curiosity. It's sad, really. What a boring existence it must be. I would be interested to know how you lost your curiosity, if you can pinpoint it.. After all, we're all born curious about the world around us, wanting to understand as much as we possibly can about that cosmos. Thankfully, enough of us remain so throughout our lives, such that we compensate for the dolts, and as a species we continue to advance our understanding.
except for the fact that the dolts are reproducing much faster and as a percentage the "non-dolts" are being overrun. Sadly, things like space exploration, medical research and even basic education are being put on the chopping block by the myopic dolts who fail to see the value in knowledge beyond whats on sale at Walmart.
I recommend Mike Judge's 2005 documentary, Idiocracy.
Technology from the 'unneeded' space program not only improved the way water is delivered to your home, but also the quality of it so you are less likely to become sick from using it.
People like you are what's wrong with humanity.
It's 12 trillion years, not billion.
Bob, Reread the article.
MHM is still not getting that a light year measures distance not time....I am going to check back in 24 miles and see if he gets it.....
Yes MHM, a noted professor doesn't understand America.
In America the 'bottom line' is money.
There is a wealth of treasures that G-d placed at the bottom of the ocean.
Today we have lightweight metals and powerful batteries, yet
there are only a few submarines that can go very deep.
What are we waiting for?
Ludicrous speed– GO!!!
Our understanding of "life" is very limited by our own universe. There is almost certainly life in space, but the likelihood that it is water/carbon-based, multi-celled, DNA-laden, and/or knows the words to "American Pie" is minimal. I'm not sure we would even recognize life on another planet if we stepped in it. In fact, if we did identify it, it almost implies that there is a divine being. Life in some distant quasar might be something we perceive as a radio wave or a smell or something equally absurd. So I would not waste our time looking for water (unless we are doing so to figure out how to sustain our own lives in space), but rather just look for any activity that seems to defy the laws of physics and then try to understand what is causing that.
Water is a very good starting point based on what we know so why not start there??
Good point
This notion that life on other planets has to take the form of life on earth is absurd. Even on this planet, deep down in the ocean, there are lifeforms which live in environments that SHOULD NOT support life; hell, even fish live differently than men, plants breathe CO2 and exhale oxygen..so life is varied, and not restricted to a specific environment.
Hence the notion that you need oxygen or water to sustain life may be a bit earth-centric. Who knows, maybe there are lifeforms on jupiter which exist in a different manner than earthly life-forms.
It all comes down to defining what a living thing is. Once you have that definition, then you remove the constraints of a "planet that can support life", and it changes perspective, opening up the possibility for greater discoveries
One has to wonder if such events that created the water vapor outside of this quasar also create the water that becomes trapped in comets as ice.
I'm thirsty.
FEE-EEEEED ME SEYMOUR!
I think we found the home for the plant from Little Shop of Horrors.
seems like they are off a few decimal points.. LOL.. that is nuts!
"In our galaxy, the Milky Way, there is 4,000 times less water than in the quasar, and it is spread over a few light-years, according to the study. But in the quasar, the water vapor is present over hundreds of light-years, they said. A light-year is about 6 trillion miles."
Ahh the logic is all backwards in that paragraph! The Milk Way is about 100,000 light years across, and a Quasar is typically only a few light years across at most. You meant to point out that the Milky Way with it's ginormous size, still has 4000 times less water than an object a few light years across.
Stop right there! What kind of nonsense is "4000 times less"? That's meaningless, if you parse it.
If you're trying to say "1 four-thousandth" then bloody-well say that.
As much as I love science I cannot support space exploration until we fix the problems here on earth. You must clean your room up before you can go and play outside Johnnie!
@Science Expert: The problem with that line of thinking is that it requires cooperation of the majority of the inhabitants to fix the problems on Earth. Not everybody is so cooperative or intelligent. Out there in space, there are less stupid people, so cooperation is a lot easier.
Yes. I didn't say it would be easy. And there are no people out there in space, at least none that we will ever be aware of.
Do you really think space will be any better...they just haven't struck oil,diamonds,or other substances that all cultures value when they do the fight will be on in space as well....
@science expert
There are people on the ISS *right now*
You are demanding an impossible starting condition. Fix what here on earth? All misery? All suffering? All want and all need? Stop all wars and stop all hunger? How would one go about doing that? Aside form the easy way of just getting rid of all the people that is. Space exploration, astronomy, physics, and other hard sciences *help* us to be better as a species. If you want to fix the problems here on earth you *must* look to space, to the sub atomic realm, to the extreme ends of mathematics.
Space exploration would actually be helpful in fixing material problems on Earth. For example, there are resources in the asteroid belt which can be mined (albeit with some difficulty), and we could in principle build orbital refineries to process the materials, which would eliminate the need to release toxins into the atmosphere or ground water. Expensive, yes, but possible. Also, it follows from human history that building a general knowledge base is necessary and sufficient to improve general welfare. I wouldn't dare require anyone to set aside their dreams or ambitions related to space exploration to work on terrestrial problems, especially if the very same space exploration would more swiftly bring about a solution.
I hope you didn't mean anything like world peace or social problems. The resolution of such things would be nice as long as they would be consequences of other actions (such as space exploration), but I don't think they should be primary goals. Speaking as a person who studies science, I would be unwilling to work only on social problems to the detriment of my scientific research.
To heck with humans on earth ..you can only assist them from space?...great job space cadet!!
Using a number this time since I saw another "Matt" down the list. @Donner – I don't mean that we should let the environment go to waste or anything like. Simply, I've heard the argument many times that we should "focus on fixing Earth first," and I wanted to voice the opinion that space exploration isn't necessarily mutually exclusive with repairing material problems on Earth (e.g., environmental). In fact, I would go as far as to say that some social problems – especially those directly related to scarcity of resources – could be partially resolved.
If you're talking about more extreme social cases like war or religious conflict, then the only way I see space exploration helping is to broaden the knowledge base and maybe – only maybe – influencing those parties involved. But I'm not connected to or invested in those social problems and feel no obligation to go to those battlegrounds to try to negotiate a peace settlement. I would definitely choose to be a space cadet rather than to be a diplomat. 🙂
But a trip to the store down the street to get some cleaning supplies could make that task a lot easier, right?
Yeah, that's worked out really well for us over the past several thousand years...
How sad..if there was alien life in space I am sure they would think highly of us.."HI Aliens,how are you ..we are almost through destroying earth and each other for our own greed and self fulfillment and so now we are coming to a planet near you to screw it up to...
Didn't anyone read the part where it said the water was being sucked into a black hole? I don't know about anyone else, but the last time I checked anything lost to a black hole was deemed "F***ing Gone".
Once it gets that close to a black hole I don't think you would consider it water or water vapor. More likely a mess of Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms, then a mess of sub-atomic particles.
Only if it gets to the very edge of the event horizon would the tidal forces be strong enough to rip apart the molecular bonds. There would still be a huge amount of water orbiting the black hole. Yes, things orbit black holes – just like any other object in the universe. The thing to keep in mind about black holes is that they may have infinite gravity but they do not have infinite mass. Other things around the black hole will only react to it (gravitationally) speaking – as if it were an object with a specific mass. For example, if the Earth was compressed into a black hole through some magical process it wouldn't suck the Moon into it – the Moon would keep orbiting the black hole just as it had earth because the black hole would have the same *mass* as the Earth had. A black hole's mass may increase (and likewise decrease due to Hawking radiation) but it does not have infinite mass.
If you can never drink it, does it exist?
"In the beginning the Earth was without Form and Void"
[ t=0 ; x = ? ; ( Y + Z = t ) ]
solve for X ...
-1+1
That is ridiculous..Life produces life...
I love to think how much our society has accomplished at this point in time. now think about the possible civilizations in the universe which might of had a major head start.
The only way mankind will continue to live is if we invest in space exploration. This planets resources are limited. Instant gratification will only delay the inevitable (like the person who made a comment of us needing to fund research for current issues on earth). Earth is going to reach 10 Billion by 2080. How much more can this planet take? I'm not even touching on pollution, I'm just saying straight up natural resources. If we don't expand beyond this planet we will die.
You are right the earth is over populated so why doesn't NASA and the governments all over the world limit how many children a couple can have and if a family is on welfare or other assistance or not even citizens of the country they are living in then they should be allowed to have none....Mass birth control ..is the answer
"Earth is going to reach 10 Billion by 2080" 10 years off is a .0000001% miscalculation... This guy is good!
Wow, the comments are better entertainment than the article.
Stone: fun reading, indeed.
Further, some kind of alien intrusion into earth's atmosphere might be just what we need to make us stop fighting each other to mutual destruction.
I second that, I didnt even read the article 🙂
My big issue with space exploration, is it's going to require some MONSTER tech to work at all. Sure I guess you can do the 'Hop' method, building a space station here, another one a billion miles out and so forth, but that is SMALL potatoes. Since most likely major issues with Physics can never be solved, l(like having matter travel near the speed of light) the only other options i see are either 'Generation ships' Suspended animation, or my best guess. Sending a ship with robot equipment, than at some later time shooting a laser at the ship, encoded with a human blueprint or stored in the ships computers that allows the robots to 'build' a human on the other end. The red shift is a real problem too, it seems for all practical purposes large portions of the Universe will for all intents and purposes be GONE forever.
You need to watch 'through the wormhole with morgan freeman'. It shows how we might not need to travel at the speed of light to get there, and also, that the speed of light might not be as slow as we measured...
Baby steps. Then someday perhaps we learn to run.
500 years ago, we thought the sun revolved around us. You'd be amazed at what we'll know 500 years from now if you were alive. The generational ships has merit, but not sure who would sign up for a life on a ship for life with prospects of never going anywhere else. Our exploration will be done by robots not man for our future unfortunately (besides maybe a trip to Mars). It's just too taxing to send a being into space with water, food, and air needed over a long period of time let alone the psychological issues that could arise.
The idea that we can send robots to other moons/planets which then manufacture more robots is the best bet IMO. That way we spread our search breadth and depth at the same time. The only catch is how do we communicate when it takes 4 minutes to receive a message from just Mars and I think possibly 6 hours to Pluto. It would takes years between communication on ships across solar systems. We need some type of sub-space communication and in order to do that, we need to expand our science. Nothing is impossible.
Hey God! I thought earth was special.
I guess the bible needs another new testament.
Brand Newer Testament JUST IN! Throw out those other testaments... this is the NEWEST TESTAMENT AROUND!
How old is that "New" Testament you are sporting there son? 2000 years!?? THIS one is NEW!
Geoz
I'll take two!!!
ROFLMAO you believe this article you go ahead put your trust in man! LOL God will prove all you fools wrong LOL
you know that im just a fairy tale, right? me damn, you're stupid.
God separated the waters, and put an expanse between them; and in the expanse he made the stars. SO...according to the Bible, this story is "old news."
Except the "Bible" says the universe is only 6,000 years old!
and its true!
according to the bibble the universe is only 6000 yrs old. 🙂
You just changed the subject. We're talking about water.
Nobody can establish the Earth (and the universe ) age using the bible since the time mentioned during the Creation narration is metaphoric. For example, during th first day there was no sun and no earth rotation to determine a 24 hours period as we know it today. The same happens with the whole creation process. Indeed the universe and the life processes are so complex that when a serous scientist applies statistic to determine the probability of the development of all what we know today, they will arrive to an stunning conclusion.
"Thank you Father, because these things were hidden to the "educated" people and revealed to the little ones " Jesus said. Nobody can understand the Creation without the wisdom from the Heavenly Father.
Yumac
Try and remember the Bible is spelled ...B-i-B-L-e.....maybe in another 10,000 year you will have evolved enough to spell..
The separation was between the water that formed clouds and the water on the land. The expanse was called sky. no mention of interstellar water in Genesis.
It reads that God put the stars "in" the expanse. Details, pay attention to the details. Read chapter 1 verse 6 and then read verse 14. Clear as day!
Wally
So when god said "So the sun stood still and the moon stayed in place" was god unaware that it was the earth that was circling the sun not the other way around? Seems clear as day to me that the writer was probably on earth when making this observation.
^ LMFAO!!!
When you start an argument with "In the bible" you have already lost the argument. You are talking about a book that was written in ancient Hebrew then translated old Latin then old English then modern English, all the time being edited to fit with the translators views. Not to mention all the bits that where left on the cutting room floor. So when you start stating facts from the bible this is like saying, you know what happened at the time because you watched the movie that was based on the book that was based on the story told by someone who saw something.
About the universe and God and the Bible. It's easy to mix it all up to a cocktail, and as one knows, in cocktails nobody can recognize the original ingredients. That's why the fundamental work in the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva is important: They can now find out what happened at the moment of the big bang which was 13.8 billions years ago. The pictures of the water quasar are old but not old as that. So in fact we get a lot of info: old archive pictures coming in via telescopes (billions of years old), the actual situation on earth (after 13.8 billion years of evolution) and the facilities in the Geneva LHC to simulate big bang conditions. Focusing on this information alone will take a lot of effort and time, so it seems logic to leave God and the Bible out of this exercise. As said, don't mix up things to an sloppy cocktail.
LOL ... good one. I love how those biblical folk come in after the fact and add some irrelevant and nonsensical piece of information as if to say it's all in the bible. It's like that annoying guy who thinks he knows everything but does not speak up until the other person speaks only to say "Yea, I knew that" ... LOL
Gosh you're dumb!
the subject is the bible can't be used to explain nature phenomenon.
LOl like we believe you or CNN lol
You have difficulty spelling which means you probably have difficulty reading. Maybe someone can read the Bible to you so that you can understand something extremely important. Such as, if you die in your sins, you will go to hell. If you trust in Jesus (God in the flesh), you can escape the clutches of hell.
Wally, can you tell me where Jesus said his message was for the Gentile like yourself? Paul seemed to think it was but Paul isn't the Logos is he?
Like say, approximately 12 billion years old?
Your Bible also says that light was created BEFORE the sun, the moon, and the stars. Your Bible is old news when you take Mithra and the Greek gods into account. Read a book (that contains actual facts).
We're talking about water. You must be drinking something stronger.
According to current scientific theory (energy) just appeared out of nowhere, yes before stars or anything else. Interesting that it lines up with ancient story. Science has failed to explain the basics of how or why. Maybe one day they can get started on it.
Oh good another atheist ,Muslim or jerk commenting on how life began...
i did no such thing. and if you people insist on making up stories about me, i will be forced to turn this matter over to my legal council. stop slandering me.
miss spelling may be not important, but miss understanding about reality is a big disaster in life.
Save it for your monkey children ...evolutionist...
Donner,
You must qualify with that comment for "Dumbest, Nastiest and Most Arrogant Comment."
Most Ill-Informed should be in there too.
When you don't know or understand, admit it and work from there.
Good, now how do we get it here?
Cool, so in about 24 billion years, we could reach the water and bring it back to earth. Wake me from my fiery, sun-has-already-exploded-by-now grave.
LOL!
Actually, no we can't. The light we are seeing is around 12 billion years old which means that what we are seeing happened 12 billions years in the past. The quasar and water is likely long since gone.
There's water on the moon too, frozen in the crust. You can ask the Russians or the Chinese what it tastes like when they get there, because it sure as hell won't be us at this rate, and that's a pisser.
Sadly, this is so true. 3rd-world countries–like the US has now become–do not get to enjoy the fruits of first exploration.
Ok\, here is my 'opinion' of what is being said, a quasar is the center of a very active galaxy (with a Giant black Hole there) this Galaxy is VERY old and much bigger than our own, but long ago it was filled with huge amounts of water, that most likely the Black Hole ate up long ago...
That is a lot of water.... We live in a "dry" galaxy. Imagine the possibility for life in a "wet" galaxy....
– A
Oh crap, now Disney is going to want to build a water park. Disney's new Harry Potter Quasar Voldemort Gusher Creek resort.
Disney does not have the rights to Harry Potter.
Yea... "rights" was right at the center of the previous comment. Way to get the focus!
Shouldn't you be at an AA meeting??
...so water vs. liquid water.... quite different if you want life to form. Wondering what percentage of this water is ice? as it is a bit cold in space and thus would seem to be ice. I love that they can find any water and thus look for life (are we alone). Where are the radio towers with intelligent life? Even if a few reached their own singularities by now, we should pick up the past signals of radio signals (or other signals). Just saying.... Water is cool, Ice ...well too cool for life. I wonder if we will hit our singularity here on earth first, or find a trace of some other intelligent life out there?
Here is the problem, the distances involved. IF there was other intelligent life in OUR galaxy, it would stand to reason it would be around the same state of development as us. We have only been using radio waves for around a hundred years. Any other galaxy with intelligent life would most likely be older and FAR farther away.
Not necessarily true ... Ours is at least a second generation star, considering the presence of elements heavier than iron which means our solar system was spawned from the nebula of a prior star. If a technological civilation evolved in a first generation system, they could be billions of years in advance. Who knows? They may have found FTL ... Area 51 anyone?
Space is cold in some places (not close to a star, or a high radiation area like a quasar, but it is also a vacuum, so water can exist in several forms. No one is looking for life at that distance. It would take a huge amount of energy to broadcast across interstellar distances even if other sentience wanted to. Radio may not be their chosen mode of communication. Some have suggested that intelligent civilizations may conceal their existence to avoid trouble. What is this talk about singularities? Do you know what one is?
As I understood it, a singularity is a single point in space that does not follow the typical behaviors of time/space. AKA a black hole.
*Other* intelligent life? Where have we found *any* intelligent life in the universe.
The Terran biomass twitches frequently, at times has even undulated sensuously, but has never EVER displayed intelligence.
Dude ... do you even know what a sigularity is? Here's a clue: you can't see it perforce but can see the affect it has on all matter in the vacinity. You'll never see a singularity due to the event horizon (I'm not down with a "naked" singularity) but watch every star within a parsec go bonkers due to the massive gravity well. Oops ... I just gave it away. Were there a singularity here, you and I wouldn't be. QED
Geeeeeez, don't let city officials of Harrisburg, SD find out about all this water in space because they will figure a way to charge us even more outrageous prices per gallon!!!
To the knuckleheads researching this stuff:
There are Far more pressing and relevant issues here on Earthyt that need researching.
The fact that this stuff is being funded is absurd.
What millennium if ever is this water to become useful to Earth.
Get with the program...do something that benefits mankind,NOW!
You are a moron.
I'll second that.
... and the motion carries
...and continues to carry...
It DOES benefit us, by understanding how the universe was formed, and how it has changed so far. This could have implications regarding global warming, availability of water to us here on earth and Mars, who knows what else. The funding for this, is a drop in the bucket. Maybe YOU are the knucklehead?
ummmm... you said "global warming." You may want to avoid this in the future as it make you sound like you have fallen under Al's control. "We are from global warmin, take us to your leader, and us your money."
This type of research is funded because at some point it becomes useful to humanity.The microwave oven with which you warm your leftovers did not start of with someone's intent to create a microwave. It started off with some scientists doing research on microwave energy, at some point, some engineer said "Hmmm.. we could apply this science to create a microwave oven". Same goes for cell phones (spread spectrum technology), which never had as its initial intent creating a bunch of babbling and texting people.
Currently there is research going on in nanotechnology which in a few years could yield some dramatically effective products for every day use.
It starts off when physicists, chemists and biologists sit in a lab and ponder questions. As answers to those questions emerge, engineers, medical researchers and pharmacologists adapt those answers to methodologies that can benefit the common (aparently insanely stupid) man and woman.
This country really needs to promote science education..as i can tell from reading these posts, the US population has become BEYOND DUMB.
and whether we have a cell phone or not (wasn't that long ago that all these "incredible" inventions were being carried out without cell phones) or whether we have a microwave oven or not (wasn't that long ago that we weren't in such a hurry to reheat leftovers in the oven or just eat them cold) or whether we have computers or not (wasn't that long ago that good, useful math skills, methodologies, theories and solutions were well thought out, tested, documented and put into practice), etc. etc. etc. GET WITH THE REAL PROGRAM. invest your time in loving others. this alone will bring more peace and joy to any life at any time for any length of time in any generation regardless of how much we know or don't know.
Brad needs to reflect on how much more challenging it is to love others while one is dying of a (now curable) communicable disease or starving to death without modern crop science.
brad held his beautiful wife in his arms while she died of cancer, and remembers that people have been dying for years and will continue to die – whether it be from disease, starvation or Mack truck. it's how you live, not how you die.
It's good science. just because it doesn't immediately get your pizza delivered faster doesn't mean it isn't useful. Go take a night course or something, Einstein.
You do realize that many of the things you use on a daily basis were first created/improved for space research right? Microwaves, cell phones, computers, communications, television etc.
Suderia29, don't forget about duct tape!
You must think the earth is only a few thousand years old eh?
and he would be right I got hundreds of facts to prove it you should do some studying for your self instead of just spitting out foolishness.
Casey, I've reviewed hundreds of facts like that. None of them stand up to the rigourous analysis. It's not even good from a theological point of view. Do you think God made the universe look old in order to trick us? Do you think God put fossils down in sedimentary layers in an attempt to deceive us? Do you think God could be so cruel as to make God's creation look like something it isn't? Personally, I believe in a God that wants us to know more about the world around us. A God that gave us the brains to explore and question and think. I believe in a God that works through subtle methods. Maybe your God is mean trickster attempting to drag us into heresy through deceit and lies. That doesn't sound much like God to me though.
As a historian I'd have to say that unions probably did more to both literally and figuratively build America than any group of populist agitators I can think of. I'd also argue that the people that helped make this country strong tended to be visionaries who also knew how to be practical – not unyielding ideologues who would rather see everything crash down around them than compromise on their least significant principle. The great American ideal is one of compromise and working towards a greater goal. The teabaggers [sic] have a certain appeal to them at the moment but history has shown that their sort of radical populist movements flare briefly and then die away. Usually they get co-opted by established players seeking to harness their force but end up crushing it instead. Also, it would *really* help the Teaparty movement if their leaders understood the Constitution better and learned a bit about how our governmental system works. If nothing else they'd look less foolish (c.f. Bachman).
this does benefit mankind now. get with the program. understanding how our universe works and was created is extremely important to a planet where we are quickly stripping it of all it's resources. someday soon, fresh water will be more valuable than oil. I think it's good to know the scientific community is getting funding on this type of thing. don't worry, the end of the world is not going to happen in October like that crazy guy says. we have a long way to go.
I was gonna leave a nice wordy reply for you, but I see several other have beat me to it. Now please, get off the internet, it's a place for smart people.
You're right. Science is totally useless. Idiot.
Typical instant gratification attitude. Understanding the universe has great benefits to mankind, leaning more about what happened in the past and to other parts of the universe can help us understand our own planet and future. You probably would never understand though.
This comment reminds me of one of those guys who sat in their college science classes goofing off and/or texting and/or sitting on Facebook the entire time. I apologize if I'm making an assumption though - maybe you didn't go to college.
Yea, why don't they figure out a way to get all the games and shows I want to see for one low low monthly rate. Now that would be progress ... 😉
Opening your skull and using a flashlight to see if there is anything in there would be of great benefit to mankind.
This isn't government funded, you dope. Did you see NASA's name anywhere? These are funds from private institutions looking to further our understanding of things beyond our miniscule dot in the sky. So I'm sure you would rather they find a faster way for you to download porn but they have better things to do.
Here's something we can do for mankind right now: Pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq right now. With the billions in $$ saved, restart our space exploration program. This civilization will not adance if all we do is build drones and pump billions in aid to countries that want to destroy us. And if that is where our priority remains, then we don't deserve to advance beyond our planet.
Why would Obama have us do that ...his whole purpose is to bring down this nation.....so his Muslim brothers can grow stronger...he doesn't care if we are spending Billions a day....he doesn't care if Americans are being killed..he isn't even proud of this country or his wife..or don't you remember?? He will bow to a Muslim but not an American Vet
You wanna do something to "benefit mankind"? Off yourself.
The tea-bagger speaks! When you're short of information, go passive- listen up!
What are we waiting for? Lets get some buckets and head out there.
Haha.....it would take millions of generations to reach it. Hell...the earth would likely not be here by the time they returned due to the sun going super nova or white dwarfing from fuel depletion. =)
Water in the universe! If true, it's great to see the scientific community finally getting to confirm what Genesis 1 has been telling us was there for a couple thousand years now. of course, unless it's verified by some atheist with a sheepskin on the wall that sort of stuff can't possible be true now, could it?
On the other hand, if it's false, whose faith was really more wrong?
Actually we have known there was water out there for a long time. We just didn't know water formed that soon after the big bang. The article could have been worded a little clear on that point.
Uhhhh....Genesis doesn't even come close to saying anything near what this discover shows. Are you brain dead? To the contrary, all that fiction discusses is what the ego-centric, earth-centric, bronze-aged men thought happened; and that was that their god had made the water they saw on their own planet...nothing more. "Heavens" doesn't qualify for predictive science.
Believe man and stay a fool like you are.
Casey,
Who's the fool? Your belief-system comes from other than men? Like bible-writers or televangelists?
THINK about it, and have some prunes.
If the bible is such a great source to reference, then tell me why it doesn't mention any animals or people from any place other than what was known at the time it was supposedly written? I mean, surely it would have said 'Hey and over in the land to the west, there are tribes of indians that roam with buffalo', or mention any of the wildlife indigenous to Australia, Tasmania, Fiji, Hawaii, or any place that was out of the reach of MAN at the time it was written. I mean you'd think that it would say something about not bringing smallpox across the ocean and nearlying wiping out an entire civilization. It's a fictional work of man, made from the mind of a man. No different from Harry Potter.
Your are truly a fool!
if you want to believe the contradictions to your book, as confirmations to your book, go ahead ... you already believe in walking on water, resurrection, so this type of reverse psychology shouldn't be too much of a leap to your insanity ....
You are either an idiot or troll ... you choose.
A couple thousands of years? to the best of my knowledge, the first printed bible appeared circa 1450 although it may be possible that monks were transcribing their own copies a couple hundred years before that. Besides, Genesis references splitting earth from water ON THE PLANET, no mention at all of interstellar. And for the record, water would depend on oxygen ... a product of a first generation star having burned through its hydrogen to helium and helium to carbon. Thus, you won't see water back 13.6 B years ... but maybe 250 milllion or so later after the first massive stars blew ...
Great that you can see the water. So, can you tell us where all of the money went (from the US tax payers) which ads up to something over 14 trillion dollars?
its in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, the European Union, China, etc.
Here is the break down of the US Debt...will this help your understanding of the economy?
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/who-owns-america-hint-its-not-china/?hpt=hp_bn2
The post above by: Thoth-Amon Terry Wagar sez: is a good reason to limit the number of characters in a post.
Now if only we can get some of this water to the Somalians.
Sorry, it turns out Obama has already used it up. Seems it was Bush's fault.
Your public utterances are a clear indicator of why you name isn't BRIGHTslie.
Go back to screen-saver mode in your sandbox.
Water Falls in space time ?
Have the prices of bottled water gotten so bad that it might be worth driving twelve billion light years for a glass of highly irradiated mud-water? I spose I could pitch in five bucks for some, but we're not taking MY car 🙂
Sounds like a fun sceni drive. If I have to change my oil every 3.000 miles how many times will I have to stop enroute?
Great idea, but everybody knows the best highly irradiated mud-water comes from Japan.
I am a little bit confused by you people.
Essentially the articel says that in the quasar, the water is spread wider than in the milky way. So, for example, if you took Interstate 5, which runs from San Diego, CA to Sacramento,CA; it would be equivilant to saying that in the Milky Way, you could ride from San Diego to L.A and find water; in the quasar, you could ride from San Diego to Sacramento and find water.
I really do not see how one fails to get that from the article. It is really not that complicated...one object has a greater dispersion (and hence higher quantity) of water vapor than does the other.
Maybe that is why they need to promote more science education to americans and promote the idea of teaching students how to think logically and analytically.
The one area the article could have improved upon is informing what a quasar is and what the potential implications of the water are...i.e. WE ARE NOT ALONE.
Well, one problem with saying water is spread out over "light years" is that a "light year" is a measure of length, while water occupies volume. So the dimensions are not quite right.
I agree, it would have been nice if they could have explained what they think may have happened to the water over the past 12 billion years. It's is certainly very fascinating.
And I thought a light year had less calories!
Wow, I literally dozed off reading your response.
Maybe you should literally have some coffee, and open up a book.
Ohh my god!!! People like you are soo freaking annoying. I love how you immediately assume everyone who is posting is American first off. Second, for all you ignorant and stereotypical ridden people out there, well why don't you pronounce what country you're from??? If you're going to constantly imply that the U.S. is dumb, when your country is the dumb one then atleast let us know where you hail from you ignoramis!
Ryan
I am an american citizen..born and raised in Los Angeles, served in the US Marine Corps (special forces), and have a graduate degree (MS) in electircal engineering.
It is a fact, go to any engineering school or any science (college) class in this country and you will witness for yourself that americans are the minority in these classes.
It is a fact that many, many americans would prefer to graze their minds on facebook and hibernate in movie theaters than develop their minds.
And lest you STEREOTYPE..I was also a collegiate athlete at an NCAA Div 1aaa school (football and soccer)...so not only am i intelligent, but i am not some book-worm nerd. However, I have a mind and i use it....hence i do not make stupid comments with no essential backing whatsoever.
Look around you, talk to people...how many people hold conversations of value? how many people discuss drivel?
The measure of intelligence (or dumbness) is the extent to which one is informed about the world around them, the extent to which one can apply independent thought and analysis to events transpiring in their environment, the extent to which one can express themselves in an intelligable fashion.
Sadly, the vast majority of americans are lacking in all the aforementioned.
Did you not notice the discovery was made at an American lab? Maybe we should promote the ability to read English among people who want to comment on English-language web sites.
Interstate 5 runs from the Mexican Border to the Canadian border, Bro. NOT from San Diego to Sacramento.
If you're going to attempt to spout "wisdom", get your facts straight.
"It's much better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".
I may have got my facts on Interstate 5 wrong, but my objective was to use it as an analogy....Hope you feel better
Why do/should/would I care? (eyes rolling)
Why do you care enough to comment? The fact that you ask a stupid question like this is an indictment against the American education system. No child left behind. Thank you Shrubster.
Ha Shrubster – my how witty you are
Hey, get off the guy's case. Don't you know? Ignorance is bliss 😉
Actually thank him AND co-sponser Teddy K.
Well if you want to be a complete idiot then you don't have to care at all.
Our foundation of life is based on Water.
so if there's a lot of water out in space that means.....
there could be life there...
But you're right why care about that.
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Ah, no. This is bullsh1t. It had water. 12 billion years ago. For all we know it's long gone.
That was the point. we can't tell if its still there the point was we know that at sometime there was water.
Who do you think drank it all?
God?
I thought the first sentence covered that with the word "was".
I agree that articles on matters of deep science should be written by someone with a science background. If CNN has a designated science editor, he/she should write the articles. Better yet, have someone who was actually involved in the piece write the report for CNN and submit it for publication on the web. That way you get first hand knowledge which will lend credence to the article and show all of us desktop editors just how smart CNN is. P.S. President Obama was not around for this event, so let's try to stay focused, shall we?
Better yet, they should have an eyewitness or at lease someone from that era and that galaxy writing an article. That would lend even more credence in my opinion.
I offered to do that. But they wouldnt listen. :-)~
GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL. These "scientists" can't prove anything. Bring me a glass of water from this so-called quasar.
Lol.
"GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL. These "scientists" can't prove anything. Bring me a glass of water from this so-called quasar." Why not ask your "god" to do it for you. Simple enough. You obviously have zero understanding of science, not that the person who wrote this article has much understanding either.
Gladly, we'll put you on the first rocket out of here and ship you 12 billion light years away so you can see for yourself. Did god make all the prescription drugs you take? Or the components to the computer you're using? No, scientists and engineers did. Educate yourself before you spout off some ignorant garbage.
The sooner you realize there is no god, and science rules all, the better off you will be. Were you a "self aware" being in 1856? No...you will be not be "self aware" when it's 2090, so enjoy what you have now.
We'll get you the water you asked for.... in 24 billion years (assuming we can can even travel the speed of light to get there and back).
And bring me one single evidence of God?
Ohhh, well prove to me God exists...bring me a strand of his hair
If he did, it would be blonde. Some idiot claimed to have used age-regression software on the image from the Shroud of Turin and shown that, as a child, Jesus had blonde hair and blue eyes. And some idiot editor at the local newspaper printed it.
Blonde hair and blue eyes? I guess someone missed that whole part about Jesus being a jewish semite.
How about you prove the existence of your stupid little imaginary god first and THEN tell anyone else to prove anything?
And you CAN"T prove that there is a Mythical figure you call GOD... have him shake my hand???
Yet another example of why we need to put more money in our education system. Joe smith, if it were not for these "scientists" you would die when got sick, would never be able your pastor in your mega church without the fancy P.A. system, cars would not exist, the materials in EVERYTHING YOU USE would not exist, the wheel would not exist, electricity, ect. The list goes on and on forever. Do you get the point? YOUR ENTIRE LIFE DEPENDS ON "SCIENTISTS"
Lol. Bring me a glass of holy water from this so called GOD.
Show me the shroud. Show me the crown of thorns or the nails or the cross. Science IS proff you dolt. There is PHYSICAL evidence. Faith is what you have and by definition faith is "belief that is not based on proof". You have been successfully brainwashed!
Its funny that someone who believes in god is asking for a glass of water from a quasar as proof. You do see the irony right?......
Joe – this is God speaking. I normally would strike you with lightning or burn a bush to send you a message but this internet thing is so amazing and easy to use that I just love it (wish I had created the www). Anywho, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your dedication but sometimes you got to be reasonable. Oh, and your grandma says "hi" to you.
God also created "these scientists" to use their minds... you as well. Science is fascinating. extraordinary what we can and have learned.
there is no "evidence" for god, and science and runs in to dead ends also. think about it like this, what caused the big bang to happen? and what caused those things to initiate the big bang? and what caused those things? this pattern will continue to repeat. many people will try to answer this but will all more than likely be wrong. we are just humans in this giant universe,and with that said there's many things we simply cannot comprehend
So tired of you freaks with your retarded non-existent God.
IF and IF God created all things, then he also created the basis of Science. . .why wouldnt he have a complete understanding of how it works AND why wouldnt he work and create within the realms and rules of the thing he desighned. . .Makes perfect sence to me. . .this God vs Science thing is really getting old. . .
And can you prove Jonah was swallowed by a whale and lived to tell about it? Stupid story!
And why couldn't it be a quasar created and placed there by God? Why do the scientist have to be wrong, and how does this contradict the existence of a God? It's people like you that turn others away from religion in general.
Joe, your "GOD" created you to be the dumbest person in the entire "News-Room"! Educate yourself from somewhere else other than Church and Bibles and your "GOD" will appreciate you. Don't do anything today, wait until tomorrow to come back here and tell us how your "GOD" gave you food this evening. Grow up knowledge-wise, don't be stupid.
Bring me a brain cell from your head and then we talk.
Well, Joe, I guess since your God won't bring you a glass of water from the quasar, you'll just have to jump in your space buggy that did the Kessel run in under six parsecs, right? It is intuitively obvious, even to the most casual observer that you have no comprehension of how far a LIGHT YEAR is (about 6 TRILLION miles) ... If it would take our fastest rocket 10,000 years to get to the nearest star @ 4.3 LY so how long would it take to go 13.6 BILLION LY? Do the math, P'taK !!
I can make it home in less than seven miles.
the power plant near our house all of last year emitted a total of six hundred megawatts.
No one cares unless there's oil. Drill baby, drill!
Prove it! They can make up ANYTHING about what's going on "12 billion light years away".....I say let's put these bozos in charge of curing cancer.
I think we're all bozos on this bus.
Schizo alert
Actually, they can prove it. When water vapor is hit by light it re-emits light in a very specific way that you can see in it's spectra (a rainbow is also a spectra – it's just what you get when you break light down into it's component colors). The spectra of water vapor is constant through the universe and across time. So any particular water vapor spectra will *always* look like any other water vapor spectra. So what they did is they took like from this quasars, broke it down into it's spectra, and saw that part of the spectra indicates that there is a lot of water. That's your proof.
A rainbow is not caused by light refracting through water but is the reflection of the pot of gold at the end of it >:P
"In our galaxy, the Milky Way, there is 4,000 times less water than in the quasar, and it is spread over a few light-years, according to the study. But in the quasar, the water vapor is present over hundreds of light-years, they said. A light-year is about 6 trillion miles."
What the HUH?? The milky way is 100,000 light years across. Where are the "few light-years" that have water?
Well, at least what a light year is in miles is correct.
CNN continues to embarrass themselves with obnoxiously poor repotrs. What was that? That wasn't even enough to get a passing grade on a high school report. Seriously, whoever wrote that, along with whoever edited it, should be ashamed.
I'm just here for "An artist's concept..."
When was the last time you ever expected it to turn out accuratly?
Why does CNN send someone who obviously does not understand the concepts in question to do the write-ups on these discoveries? I can't count the number of times I have read one of these articles and been completely floored by the author's ability to dumb down a topic to the point that it actually became factually incorrect. This is fascinating stuff! We believe water is the necessary ingredient for life, and we have now determined that in a distant galaxy there was a massive amount of water a very very long time ago. The implications are staggering. This article managed to come up with this:
In our galaxy, the Milky Way, there is 4,000 times less water than in the quasar, and it is spread over a few light-years, according to the study. But in the quasar, the water vapor is present over hundreds of light-years, they said.
Beyond the incomprehensible grammar, I can't even figure out what the author is trying to say here, and my closest reading suggests something that I believe to be incorrect. Please CNN, at least send someone with SOME scientific education to do these stories!
What's incorrect about the article?
Well, for one thing, a black hole would not have gas (vapor) in it. Everything would be solid. (It might be more accurate to say everything is mass. Its form is probably alien to us.) The author probably meant the galaxy around the quasar has (had?) that much water in it.
How can something be 12 billion light years from Earth if the Universe is only 1.6 billion years old? Even if the Milky Way and that other galaxy were moving away from each other at the speed of light, they would only be 3.2 billion light year apart.
we actually have no idea what the inside of a black hole is like (since no light escapes we can't measure it). The water here is in the accretion disk.
The universe is 13.6 billion years old, the galaxy we are seeing is being seen as it was at 1.6 billion years old, it took 12 billion years for the light to reach us. (when you look at the sun you are looking back in time 6 minutes).
Many of you have the wrong idea. Although they believe the universe to be 14 billion years old, the diameter of the visible universe is actually larger than 40 billion light years across. How can this be? Well there are several phenomenon related to quantum physics and events during the early universe that explains it. For instance, within the first million years of the universe, there was a period called "inflation" in which the universe expanded almost instantaneously. In fact, the very horizon of the universe continues to accelerate in speed from the center, driven by unexplained and/or barely understood phenomenon (such as dark energy).
Like American public schools, CNN is DESIGNED to nurture ignorance and stupidity. People who expect otherwise are barking up the wrong tree.
And how might you expect to educate our society? Does your church or corporation fill in the void to educate our youth?
Howie, I was thinking exactly the same thing. What does it mean that water in our galaxy is spread over a few light years while in the quasar the water is spread over hundreds of light years? Something is seriously wrong with this. The paragraph makes no sense whatsoever.
Howie and all the others that share his view, here is what water spreading over hundred of light years means: a light year is a distance not actually a time unit and in this case it means, water was spread over trillions and trillions of miles.
Thats one big catalytic converter.
Howie, look at the response posts on this, or any thread. CNN, ESPN, Fox News. The typical reader of this sort of article diplays the approximate intelligence level of a can of creamed corn and you're worried about how well versed the author is on the topic? If the story isn't about a Kardashian, talent contest or fashion trend, it is incomprehensible to a frightening percentage of the world population.
squirrel: You are not all that blind.
To the knucleheads at Cal.Tech...or wherever this mindless stuff is being done (and subsidized,no less).
There are Far,Far more pressing matters that need research on Earth, Today...that have alot more relevance than this nonsense .
You would be far better off petitioning the Army to donate the cost of one M1 Abrams tank to charity. That's about eighteen times the budget for all astronomy projects in the United States.
Next time you have a thought... just let it go.
Howie, here is what water spreading over hundred of light years means: a light year is a distance not actually a time unit and in this case it means, water was spread over trillions and trillions of miles.
Actually that the water in the quasar is isolated to an area of several hundred light years is surprising. That is very compact compared to the distribution of water in the Milky Way (so yes the article is wrong). The water in the Milky Way is by no means spread of a few light years, that is just rubbish.
I would definitely agree. Copying sentences verbatim does not a journalism degree make. If she didn't get it, she should have kept asking questions. Researchers feel obligated to help out if asked, because all astronomy research is funded by the public. The article was confusing and/or failed to convey some info. Be clear on what they mean by water vapor, because phase gets fuzzy when you're talking individual molecules. One molecule of ice (H20 at low a low temp) would float in air. So, phase is based on temperature, and temperature is just a measure of energy. Despite the fact that in an accretion disk (the circle thing you see the jets coming out of) there would be some heating by friction, water isn't necessarily a gas as a result. Groups of water molecules with lowest energy are solid because they form bonds that don't allow for as much movement as the temporary ones formed in a liquid, and groups with higher energies can escape the bonds formed between molecules to become gas. Temperature of the surrounding material, which is determined by figuring out what molecules are present and at what temperature they can form at which gives you what 'phase' the water's in. But the important part of the article, is that the quasar with the water also tells you that 1.6 billion years after the big bang, the temperature of the universe was cool enough to have the atoms of water, the two hydrogens and the oxygen form bonds to make up the water molecule, which won't happen at high temps. This also tells you that 1.6 billion years after the big bang, one entire generation of stars had already formed, lived, and died because oxygen doesn't form out of big bang leftovers, which only include H and He. Oxygen only forms in stars, and the only way to get it out of them is towards the end of their lives. But the thing that irritates me, is that the author mentioned that the difference in the amount of water present between now and at one quasar that existed 12 billion years ago, followed by managing to mangle scales to the point that you can't tell wtf they're talking about. This is the problem sentence.
"it is spread over a few light-years, according to the study. But in the quasar, the water vapor is present over hundreds of light-years, they said."
It's not clear what or why you're telling us about distribution. If you want to compare the amount of water in our galaxy and that one, assuming the 4000x the amount of water is corrected for the differences in mass (since that galaxy may be larger), they may be trying to say that there would have been 4000x as much water in very old galaxies as in our own galaxy today. AKA the universe overall has less water, which would make sense from the perspective that a larger number of more complicated atoms exist today, because you've had an additional 12 billion years of stellar fusion and supernova actively producing things higher up on the periodic table like uranium with 235 protons. So, instead of having 235 hydrogens or 29 oxygens available to become water molecules you have one uranium and no water. But that argument doesn't fly, because when you look at stars through spectroscopy enrichment means that on baby third generation stars, which are stars formed from the guts of stars that formed from the guts of stars that were in the first generation of stars, metallicities are such that around 3% of all the atoms in them are something other than hydrogen and helium. If there's only 3% difference between the average stuff that goes into making new stars now and the composition from 12 billion years ago, then that rules out stellar enrichment as a source of more atoms available overall. The article doesn't rule out the possibility of it being an observational effect or explain whether or not the 4000x is compared literally or if it could be an effect of the quasar certainly coming from what is quite clearly a different type/age of galaxy. The effects of more water vapor on finding habitable planets are probably convoluted at best, but it would have been a nice thing to know. But we don't know any of that, because we're not sure what you're talking about, and the comment about distribution implies other things that are hopelessly confusing. Thank you author for not knowing enough to ask those questions. Also, I have a double major in physics and biology, am fantastic at asking questions especially about science, and am underemployed!
I love how people love to bring Obama's middle name into the mix. A name has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything! Stop the hating.
Well I agree with you mostly. But when you talk about former President George Bush it helps to use the middle name. George Herbert Walker Texas Ranger Bush or George Walker Texas Junior Ranger Bush
you must be one of those welfare people that he promised free rent to ..did he load you up on a bus to take you to vote....How is that working for you ??Gas high..world in crisis..government in crisis and you are still loving him..sweet ....go pray to Ali
He's probably plotting a terrorist attack because he chose his middle name and all. Just what do you suggest he does about this anyway? Do you think he should try to pump some of that water to earth to somehow fix our problems? Will you be around for the next 12 billion lightyears to make sure he does it right? Way to go Terry. You're a genius.
So happy to see this. Even Fox has a science section. That CNN did't and low brow Fox did was odd.
Fox seems to do quite well for being so "low-brow". They get more people to their programming and sites, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find that more of the " movers and shakers" in our society (Read: Those with the real money and power) prefer fox to the generally socialist slant of CNN.
I guess Jesus would not be tuning in to FOX since FOX promotes wealth and power to be the standard of success on this planet. To many self-proclaiming wealthy folks forget that if their roots are of a Christian faith that Jesus was more concerned about caring for those marginalized by society and not padding their bank accounts in order to remove themselves from those suffering in our society.
Fox does so well because such a large fraction of our population is "low-brow." We live in an age where believing is more valued than understanding, and feeling is more virtuous than thinking. Fox, and too many other outlets, cater to these declines. The politician that admits to having to think, or attempts to craft an effective and durable policy through negotiation and compromise doesn't last long.
David Stone: (1) Since when is popularity a good measure of quality? (2) Fox News isn't designed for people with "real money and power". Such people have better things to do than watch TV. Rather, Fox News is the propaganda machine of said people, who are far too few in number to have the political clout they have without duping millions of others into doing their bidding.
"(1) Since when is popularity a good measure of quality?"
The same can be said of the personally popular Obama and his presidency
"In our galaxy, the Milky Way, there is 4,000 times less water than in the quasar, and it is spread over a few light-years, according to the study."
I'm no scientist, but that doesn't sound right....you are saying that all of the water in our galaxy is spread over a few light years of space".... um, no.
Yeah, it seems to me the Milky Way is like 30,000 light years in diameter. Besides, a light year is a unit of distance, not volume, so the apparent attempt to compare water density is meaningless anyway.
I'm just guessing, but I suspect that water has been observed around the black hole at the center of our galaxy, but only within a few light years radius. I don't think they have a means of detecting water on planets, since they can't even detect the planets unless they're relatively huge or close.
Another "basic concept fail" by CNN.
I think what they're saying is that across light years, which is a distance, and in that distance, there are other planets that also sustain water, and they're spread over a few light years, whereas the water in the Quasar is is spread out over hundreds of light years? My question would be have we been able to scan OUR entire MW galaxy to come to this conclusion?
No, they are not talking about planets with water here. As the above commenter pointed out, there is water vapor (think of it as a "cloud") spreading across 4 million light years of distance. Since they can't measure depth of the cloud, they can only measure distance that the cloud is disbursed across. I would guess the previous commenter is correct: they are comparing the size of this cloud exiting from the black hole at the center of this quasar to how far water vapor clouds found in our galaxy thus far have been measured to extend.
And what is OBAMA HUSSEIN doing about this while our planet suffers???
Lol – and what exactly would suggest Obama do? Seriously, are you that stupid?
What? What does Obama have to do with this article? Good Lord.
@Terry Wagar,
Obama has a lot to do with this. This just prove that he should put more money in public education so illiterate and dimwits like you can have a decent education. If there are water on the neareast distant quasar that is one trilliion times our ocean, I am sure that there are also millions of dimwits and unfathomably stupid tea bagging ignorant trolls like you in the U.S. People like you should not breed but, since this is a free country, stupid people will always allowed to breed
Hussein is too busy getting his a** eaten out by Terry Wagar's mom to worry about quasars...
amusing comment. People like YOU is why this planet is suffering.
another example of why we need to improve our education system.
Plotting to kill you, judging from your other rants that I've seen posted on the internet. Get therapy, get a job, and get a life.
LOL what do you think he should do? send a spaceship 12 billion light years away to collect water? my god you're dumb
Fer Crimney sakes, all of you, are you that deprived that you cannot recognize a little light satire directed at the real Obama-obsessed critics?
It's like supporters of president George Bush who constantly post "It's all Bush's fault" in answer to everything.
They're mocking their opponents!
I understand what you are trying to say that this post was meant to be sarcastic and full of sattire. The only problem is that both sarcasm and sattire only works when you can hear the person as it is audio tone of the person that tells if he/she is being sarcastis not his words. The only way they work in writting is if you know the writer enough to make that judgment. In this case as we don't know the writer to tell if he is being sarcastis and cannot hear his tone, assuming that he said what he meant is not entierly wrong.
As there was no reply button under Dan's post, Just pretend this is directed towards him (or possibly her)... Sarcasm and satire can most definitely be used in text. It is very easy to do. Tone involves more than just different frequencies of audio signal. That was however a very poor usage of textual sarcasm (the Obama thing, not me).
Oh, c'mon, Dan.
"And what is OBAMA HUSSEIN doing about (a quasar 12 billion light-years from Earth)"?
Just what tone do you need?
Hey Terry! I bet you like music from the Bee Gees...:-). You seem bitter.
Troll!!!
Love the Troll!! reply – so very trendy, with it, 24 ski-doo, the bee's knees.
What are u 14!
Probably laughing his tuchus off at all the stupid and irrelevant comments posted by knuckleheads such as yourself.
Who is this "OBAMA HUSSEIN" of whom you speak?
Perhaps somebody should notify the president, Barack Hussein Obama, about this OBAMA HUSSEIN person!
Don't listen to Terry... he's been poisoned and has terrible headaches.
Ren Car:
"This just prove that he should..."
"If there are water on the neareast..."
"stupid people will always allowed to breed..."
Like you said: "This just prove(s) that he should put more money in(to) public education so illiterate and dimwits like YOU can have a decent education."
@ Ren Carr...... Teabaggers may be stupid... But at least they are not stupid and members of a group of left wing whack jobs hell bent on destroying this country. It was the likes of the teabaggers that made this country the most powerful and riches in the world. Now these so called "nonbaggers" (union elites) are a mission to destroy this country just like your kind in Greece did...Knumbnuts
Ken: I get the distinct impression that you're not clear on whom, in fact, is hell bent on destroying our country. Might want to have a look at the Wall Street crowd, the banking and insurance industries, and corporations outsourcing jobs. These 'union elites' are the only entities between you and serfdom – short of armed insurrection, of course.
Ken,
This country has been great way before the tea bagging lunatics came to the llimelight.. thanks to the ever stupid tea party darlings like Palin and Bachman. These two individuals are responsible for dumbing down america. They are the beacon of ignorance, self-righteousness, and hypocrisy. It is the far right who is hell bent in destroying this country of ours. By the way, before you accuse Obama of spending spree and raising taxes, did you not know that reagan raised the debt limit 17 times, and raised taxes at least 12 times? The reagan republicans are learned and reasonable people. The palin/bachman tea baggers are a bunch of uneducated, ill-informed, and ignorant fools. I miss the Reagan republicans. Although I did not agree with some of Reagan's policies, I do admire his intelligence and the way he reaches to people. He has excellent commmunication skills and you can sense his intelligence. You can sense palin's and bachman's stupidiity all the way to Alaska and Minnesota.