Astronomers say they've uncovered the darkest world ever, a planet blacker than coal that absorbs 99% of the light its star sends its way.
TrES-2b is a Jupiter-sized gas giant orbiting a star 750 light years from Earth in the direction of the constellation Draco.
Astronomers found out the dark truth about TrES-2b using data from NASA's Kepler spacecraft, a satellite telescope to survey our Milky Way galaxy in search of Earth-like planets.
TrES-2b won't fall into that category, however.
"TrES-2b is considerably less reflective than black acrylic paint, so it's truly an alien world," astronomer David Kipping of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said in a press release. He is the lead author of a research paper on the dark planet submitted to the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.
Kipping and co-author David Spiegel of Princeton University say TrES-2b is a scalding world, with a temperature of about 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit. Its atmosphere probably contains vaporized sodium and potassium, or gaseous titanium oxide, all substances that absorb light but wouldn't alone account for the planet's darkness.
"It's not clear what is responsible for making this planet so extraordinarily dark," Spiegel said in a press release. "However, it's not completely pitch black. It's so hot that it emits a faint red glow, much like a burning ember or the coils on an electric stove."
TrES-2b revealed itself when as its orbit took it between Kepler and its star, changing the amount of light coming from the star ever so slightly.
"By combining the impressive precision from Kepler with observations of over 50 orbits, we detected the smallest-ever change in brightness from an exoplanet: just 6 parts per million," Kipping said in the press release. "In other words, Kepler was able to directly detect visible light coming from the planet itself."
Why does there have to be a god then? By your logic, why can't humans be the ones who perceive?
Look man ther's lots of long discussions about that but in my opinion simply believing in GOD is not only about logic it's about faith and about what you belive in .
i hope someday you will have that faith
And I hope that some day you will have logic.
Faith is the ability to believe in the impossible and improbable... another word for it would be gulible or naive.
the answer to god is simple: if you beleive in god good for you and if you don't good for you. the right to beleive in something is no one's business. just like the sky is blue but the real answer is that it is without color "" a void , darkness." but it is blue and it is only a reflection in the ozone. but I beleive it is blue
Sorry, I know it' s insulting, but that belief is along the lines of the belief in fairies and Santa clause. It's just plain lazy and well, childish.
Just to clear things up here..... Man created God in his own image.
Actually if you studied the bible you would find that it is acurate, hundreds of prophecys fulfilled, and not like nostradamus, where his predictions were so vague, but absolutely bang on. Daniel ch9 predicts the exact day that the messiah (Jesus) would come and die! How do you think we got here anyway?
Adam And Eve were proven not to exist.
Actually, if you studied the Bible, you'd find it full of contradictions and inaccuracies... and you don't even have to get too far into it:
Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.
Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.
Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.
Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.
Not to take away from anthony p's very valid point that Adam and Eve did NOT exist anyway.
And I'm sorry to tell you, Dn 9 is as vague as it gets, not only that, but the predictions span at best 140 weeks, that's a far cry from the 33 years Jesus is said to have lived...
@fimeilleur Regarding the inconsistencies you point out: Have you never read literature with flashbacks? Something happens, then a reference is made to a prior occurrence? Have you never written an essay where you state your point, then explain it, and restate it? Regarding Genesis Ch. 2, verses 18 and 19–it says "and..."(referring to the creation of animals), not "then". Reread Genesis 1 and 2 with these thoughts. Maybe you will find it isn't actually inconsistent, but rather stating and restating of information.
I'm sorry, were you under the impression that these are the ONLY inconsistencies that I can point out? I was merely limiting my discussion to the first two chapters of the first book... Do you REALLY want me to go on?
your psychic urge to propagate your unfounded beliefs is no different from those of priests and proselytizers. In my opinion both of you suck equally.
I love all of the posts about god, Jesus, and the bible. Funny that people say we will go to Hell for not believing in god. I didn't know he was a childish a hole. I would never want to believe in someone who thinks that it is either his way or Hell. I'm a very good person morally and know that when I die, I at least died being the best person I could be. Ha, you religious nuts get me every time.
Yeah sure, god as in a mysterious creating force is rational but not a Humanized being looking down onto humanity. That's just childish. Sorry
Childish is insulting the faith of others when you have no proof of your theories either.
Proof? by your standard no, (mind you... you believe in something that offers no proof AT ALL) but when over 20 different scientific fields all support the same theory... the scientific community tends to put a lot of weight in the credibility of that theory. And we know you are implying the theory of Evolution... so... for over 150 years, scientists from all around the globe have been trying to discredit the theory of Evolution, many motivated by financial incentives, others motivated by spiritual ones... and yet not a single one has been successful. The theory is so strong that it is able to predict finding certain fossils in certain areas based on the geology of the surrounding area. For example, if we found human bones under Brachiosaurus bones JUST ONCE... the theory would be crushed... under your book of fables, we should find a random mix of bodies from every species in every level of geology, due to the Noah flood...
Or maybe your God is TRICKING us into believing that the reality we observe is His way of showing us how Great he is by carefully aranging the fossils... Is this it Beefburger? Is your God a trickster? a liar? a deceiver?
Does this help humanity? Does this saves us from upcoming Cataclysmic events such as Nibiru, Galactic Alignment, Comet Elenin, Solar X-Flares, etc..etc? Can we go there and migrate? In what year? How many more tax-payers money would be wasted by finding BS's?
Until we can go whaling on the moon. Whatever it takes.... WHATEVER IT TAKES!!!!
"We're whalers on the moon... We carry a harpoon.... But there ain't no whales so we tell tall tales and sing our whaling tune!!"
Thank you for bringing this back to mind. Good ole 'Futurama! Great song - love it.
So, you're against space exploration that could potentially discover the meaning of things like LIFE and the UNIVERSE!? These smaller discoveries are just the side-result of trying to understand a larger picture. Life is so easy for God lovers. I wish things were that simple.
Wooooah, somebody listens to too much Coast to Coast AM with George Nourey.
That is exactly my point as well. Its a waist of money. We have so many other worldwide issues financially. Space is a mysterious place for a purpose which GOD intended it to be. NASA employees will spend thier life time trying to figure out space. Earth is the only place we will live as humans. There will never be another planet to live on for us humans. Because GOD to us so. Anyone the believe different don't believe in GOD.
You are a closed minded individual. Also NASA is very important and is not just about looking in to the sky. They have developed quite a few significant materials that we use every day. If they keep working, they develop new technologies and materials that benefit us, and we get to hear about cool new discoveries. Open your mind up or go live in a cave.
Ps tell the tooth fairy hi for me. haven't seen that fool since I was 5. Maybe you, tooth fairy, and god can have a nice discussion about space.
The one statement that I can agree with: "Anyone the believe different don't believe in GOD". that's right 'cause there is no reason to believe in God, especially not YOUR God.
Very nice new dark planet, no infared radiation emitted to measure 1800 degrees?
I don't quite understand how they guess the temp.
Anyhow, about God:
I am not sure why God is mentioned by non believers first here,
Here is the perplexing puzzle that non believers box themselves into. Only God cannot ever die because God is perpetual. Physically, anything that cannot die has to be perpetual even the universe dies, ie, understanding the laws of thermodynamics.
Overall potential energy degrades....
Michael, what I do not understand, is why thiestic people think that athiests should explain themselves to you. An athiest discussing the nature of reality woth a thiest is the same thing at trying to discuss astrophysics with a dog. If you have been brainwashed to think that the thiestic story is even remotely possible, you are so foolish, that my dog has more inteigance.
For reality to exist it must be percieved, without perception there is no existance. Therefore there must be perception of the entire universe for it to exist. Ergo there MUST be an existance of God.
Why does something have to be perceived in order to exist? I think that is a false premise.
Hey moron, you should really consider checking your spelling, or at least read a dictionary, before you question other people's intelligence.
Mickey, watch whom you are calling less intelligent than a dog. You have 7 misspellings in your post.
I don't think Kepler can detect infrared. My guess is that the temperature is an estimate based on the planet's orbital period and the characteristics of the parent star. The mass of the star and the orbital period give the mean orbital radius. With the orbital radius, the power output of the star, and assumptions about planetary rotation or atmospheric heat transport, the planetary temperature can be estimated. This would be why the 50 orbits are important. Using that many orbits improves estimates of the orbital period. Also, having 50 orbits over Kepler's life indicates short orbits close to the star, and that's consistent with a hot planet.
they probably just used a black body curve
Please learn the actual theory of thermal dynamics before you try to imply that the second law proves your God...
The theory is based on a CLOSED system... that means there is no OUTSIDE influence. The earth is NOT a closed system because the planet is HEAVILY influenced by our sun... Oh, whatever... you're not interested in actually learning anything.
Anyone who is, please pick up a science book, or get onto YouTube and watch SCIENCE videos pertaining to thermal dynamics and learn what the theory is really about. Michael Turner is just repeating something he heard from Kent Hovine or Kirk Cameron and the Banana-Man...
its summer vacation. I can spell words wrong all I want. Get with it grandpa. And don't think I'm too young to understand any of the shit that you're all talking about. its pathetic really
Oh and please keep those God related jokes to yourself. Your offending a lot of people. Including me
Do you believe in god? You are stupid. Stop and think.Please... It's fine if it's something that calms you down but please be rational. If you insist that god exists, you are a stupid, retarded, medieval moron.
wow. wow. I mean really someone finds a really dark planet and sudennly people are fighting about religeon, aliens, and racist comments. I think this is amazing that we found a new planet to learn about! And I left it at that. You people really need to get a life and keep your religeos comments to youself. This is a country filled with many races, religeons, beliefs, and people. I'm 11 and I understand all of you are mindless, no life, idiots.
Not doing too well in spelling class I see. Maybe you should stay off the computer and try doing your homework for once.
Spelling three words out of the ninety or so that are there is not even close to a fail. Plus this kid is 11, and she's right. Can't we just be interested in the topic instead of dragging peoples beliefs into it?
I think a lot of these comments are spilling over from the article yesterday about the building blocks of life discovered in meteorites. I would say most people who comment on here either just want to argue, not debate, and will not consider any logical points brought to the conversation. study hard my friend. trust me, I'm 28 and once you graduate college, as excited as you will be to finish, you will look back at that time as some if the best years you've had. take it all in.
Well, I guess it is time to move. We have a black planet living right next door!
Republicans will probably move to hold up all legislation and destroy the economy until this dark planet revolves out of Kepler's view.
And the Libtards will just give it all of Earth's resources
It is still possible that there is a God; it's just that we don't comprehend or conceptualize God correctly. The Judeo-Christian conceptualization of God is obviously flawed. But there is some sort of Lifeforce that could be thought of as God. There is a lifeforce that powers our physical bodies and our minds.
it's called a soul and hence we're all children of that life-force a.k.a. God.
Maybe, but it's not the Abrahamic God.
why, are there any limits to that God? I thought it was unlimited and everywhere, so how is this not the same one? In any case it would imply a huge overlap, if not 100%.
Just because the Biblical concept/depiction of God is wrong doesn't mean there is no God. God may very well exist, but we need to evolve in the way we conceive of God.
Hi. U know, science is knowledge, knowledge is discovery and discovery is ever increasing and ever changing. In short, science is ever changing. More and more, science has agreed with the bible over the centuries. What if there is truly a God and our poor knowledge of Him is the result of our insufficiently evolved science? Many things like the cell phone and aircraft as predicted where stiffly resisted by the scientists of that day but now, you and I are able to communicate and travel through them. What if this whole concept of God is true but we just don't have enough knowledge yet to understand it? Science in its present but morphing state proves God but it takes more than proof to beleive this. You have a fair mind. That's why I was moved to reply you. I wish you the best.
No such thing as magic, no such thing as a soul.. Why can you not marvel at the natural world, why do you have to make up some all powerful man in the sky? why do you follow a group that wishes hatred and death upon others.
not in the sky, in people ownselves.
You completely missed the point. I'm saying the "man in the sky" concept of God is wrong. But that doesn't mean there isn't a God. It just means our concept of God is incorrect. A dead body and a living body are made of the same elements, but the lifeforce is what distinguishes the living from the dead.
It's possible to believe in both God and science. If there is a universal truth, science will support it.
most people interpret god as a being, but do not consider that god is the source that created it all. that could be an explosion from some source we can't comprehend that created all. but sit their and think that you have your soul and when you die it can't just all stop to exist. you have to become something, and then you will know how all was created. but new discoveries give us meaning to exist. its life.
John 3:3 "I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God" (NLT)
that's a spiritual rebirth they're talking about, not of this body we have today.
Very appropriate there. This whole arguement cannot be resolved without faith.
To you GSR, Johnny, and Mirsoooo, that you have a lot to say against God. You are fools and deceived. You believe satan's lies that there is no God. If you had a chance to have a quick look at hell, you would not be so cocky any more.
There are 55 times that the bible talks about hell, and you are still in a coma. Don't you think about your family? your kids? They need to know the truth, and not to be like you. You are blinded and you deserve hell if you don"t repent. God does not want your money, or anything else from you. He only wants you to have a look at his book. The morons of this world, will tell you that the bible is written by man. Satan says the same thing. You choose to believe him, and you go right through life with your eyes closed. Hell is real my friend, and all the cursing and screaming by you, will not take you out of there. Unless you repent. Come to your senses and try it. God will hear you.He came to earth as a human been, to give you a chance to escape hell. The grave is empty, and the ransom has been paid. God loves you and waits for you to call him. You have nothing to loose except your eternity. Do it for your children.
Shut the hell up and go dig a grave.
"a human been" – LMAO... icing on the cake... Educated people would at least know that it's a human BEING... your education screams from this post... or lack of education...
Best you can do is make light of spelling? Nice.
No, he clearly just said that was the icing on the cake. You could take the time to pick this whole thing apart, but the sky is falling, so you might want to tend to that first.
I saw him at Home Depot buying a SHOVEL!
Thomas, you express such certainty and make so many judgements with little room for any other point of view. Surely that is not the way of The Creator, God, Yahweh! Look around you, man! Nature is filled with diversity.
There is no god, no satan, no heaven, no hell. The bible is a joke. Get over it.
I'm a christian but I really hate Christians who shove thier belief down peoples throats like this one who post on science blogs However your stooping down to his level when you say that "there is no god no satan no heaven no hell. You just die & its lights out" we may not exactly know if theres any conscience or not when we die so why are you assuming that there Is'nt any? I respect the fact that you'r an Atheist & I'm not trying to change you, but I'm just saying
There is no god, satan, angels, demons, heaven nor hell. When you die the lights go out and that's that.
There is no kind and gentle bearded man in the sky who has a valet with a list of every deed you've done in your life standing at some giant pearl gate. It's udder stupidity like this that makes me weep for americans. We've been subjected to this crap for far too long.
Oh!!! My heart bleeds at your comments! If only you knew that God and the very book, the bible you disbelieve predicted over 2000 years ago that you would do just that just the same way other predictions have been fulfilled, being fulfilled and will be fulfilled!!! Please, not so that you'd believe but that you'd know, pick up a bible and read Mathew chapter 24 and the second book of Peter chapter 3.
The book you speak of also is chalked full of some of the most horrific depictions of raceism, pedarastia, murder rape, ect. You nae the evil deed, and it is preformed in the bible, not by the "satanic or evil" figures, but by the protaganists. All thiesm is evil and it distroys the soul. Why, I ask, would an all powerful, all knowing and all loveing god DEMAND worship, and grant free will, Christians are no smarter then childeren, who look up at the sky and say how does that work, then rather then learning, they make up redicuous stories, and wish to kill any who do not believe.
You mean reality? All those things still exist
There is no Hell that you go to because you did bad things. you create your own Hell throughtlife by not giving everything 100%. This life source or soul or whatever it is will become what ever it becomes. we will not know until we're there but our experiences and the choices we made throughout life will create that "Hell" or "heaven" that you have to carry with you forever. no Satan or fires.
Hi. The bible doesn't teach that you go to hell because you have done evil things. Instead, it teaches that all have sinned and fallen short of good and the only way to be saved from repercusions is to accept the attonement offered by the painful death of Jesus Christ. I guess this is why it is so hard to believe in... why would one die for the evil of another? This is the truth
I,would not be surprised,if"The Planet of the Apes was filmed there. JoAnn Bartholomew
No, but it's the same place your grand mama was born in.
At last, the home planet of Dick Cheney has been found!
LOL! Good one!
Can we set him on FIRE first? Along with GWB? Perhaps we should send them HUNTING!
All this talk about religion makes me sad that no one takes offense to the title of this article? You would think we could have come up with a more gender inclusive title in the 21st century. There are plenty of great women astronomers and scientists involved in these projects. Let's here it for them! NEW TITLE: The Darkest Planet Known to HUMANS
Really? Is that how you feel or are you just a troll? That is the single most ridiculous suggestion I have ever heard, or heard of. Have you ever had any sex that was consensual?
Mankind. Lol. Known to mankind. Problem solved.
Wow go USA. Also love the blog read you guys are hilarious idiots . Haha
Really? Where are you from Bug.
There's no intergalactic 911 to call for help!!! We need the dicoveries to find out how to survive on our planet!!! There's 7 billion ppl on this planet and we need to save this planet because nobody is coming to help us!!! These disciveries are critical to the survival of the human species. Off topic, if we evolved from apes and there's a "missing link" where the hell is it??? That's the best theory they can come up with. That's no different than believing in God or Jesus!!!
There are plenty of missing links... the only problem is that when we present them to you, you say there are two more links to be made... you guys don't see the forest for the trees. Take the time to ACTUALLY read a BIOLOGY text book and educate yourself on the subject before claiming that there's no proof. The scientific community laughs at you... as do I.
Yeah – lots of missing links (like you?) Why, just last week on CNN there was actual footage of an ape "evolving" into a man. Did ya see it? Thought not. Sure.
@HuH, you're an ijut ain't you? Evolution is described as a gradual change over time. What you described would in fact prove evolution wrong... not right... so bring up that video evidence and make your millions
We have them. You just don't pay any attention.
Because it needs to be mentioned on every space article for those out there who actually care about scientific research.
Congress is trying to scrap the James Webb Space Telescope project. It is the current slated replacement for the Hubble, and already over 6 billion have been spent on it. Scrapping the project now would mean that money would go to waste, and severely cripple our future astronomic endeavours. Consider this to be equivalent to when we shut down the Superconducting Super Collider (SSC) project, which set worldwide particle physics research at least a decade behind, and when the world finally caught up thanks to the LHC (Which, to note, is far less powerful than the SSC was to be), that gave dominance of the particle physics world back to CERN. Fermilab is virtually a deserted wasteland at this point, and the Tevatron is going to be shut down soon. Don't let the same thing happen to US space research.
So, if you care about science, and astronomy, spread the word. SAVE THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE!
Is that where black people come from?
Your funny. I think I love you karen
You are so stupid. You make your parents sound super stupid. Man..your families before you and after must be and will be stupid.
People like you make me sick, useless nerd raging on his computer because you've been bullied all your life. Go find something else better to do. This is a scientific article, not for a faggot like you posting racist comments.
Funny how you talk about nerd rage then you start name calling as well keyboard warrior.
everyone was black in the beginning. somehow your genetic pigment switch got "turned off" and now you're without color, so a shade lighter and your eyes more aquatic, etc.
Ah, that is not so. That's a common misconception I hear black people use a lot. The gaining of those pigments is also the same mutation that makes you get sickle cell disease. The very early humans were colored more like middle easterners. . . not really white but not black either. . . some shade of mocha in between the two.
The ones that went south mutated due to the excessive sunlight and became black. The humans that went north gradually lost the pigments they had since sunlight is far lesser in that part of the world.
To say everyone started out black is totally wrong.
Check out the big brain on JG. Maybe, you can explain general relativity to me 🙂
By black I meant colored, as in having pigment. Hence the moral of the story remains the same, that the pigment switch was turned off, whilst with others turned on more, while we're all basically the same only adapted differently.
d human mind cannot think of what GOD did not design it for,all what u see with your physical eyes is not all there is......
Wow, if this comment was actually coherent, people might actually try to engage you in conversation... too bad for you.
Your grammar and spelling my have room for improvement, but your philosophy is well stated. Way to go, zionboi!!!!
Thanks Zionboi... God is the ultimate decider of the ages
Creativity today is pretty dark, you speak of darkness like it is a fire you can grow by killing, raping, and stealing. It is, but it is not dark, and it burns stronger every time it happens again..Power..LOL Religion is the only philosophy left that people still need help with, because of you Micheal... All they think about is power....look at all your posts, and imagine all you micheals out there, say almost the same thing, like you think you are gods messenger...truth, God doesn't have a messenger, just like the mob...get...or don't. The other way is the same answer. And, with regard to helping other people...you have to be able to help your own people first. No matter how much.
Why do people mention Bible? There are 500 million Hindus. They have a holy book too. Funny, all other religions arent posting hateful comments, only Christians.
I've often wondered about that. Some Christians use the Bible like a baseball bat!
So far I haven't seen any hateful comments by Christians.
It's all just anti Christians telling people to eat shit and die.
Care to point these ones out?
Stephen hawking called, his wii controler is broken, and the teddy grahms are refusing to squeeze the orange juice. he needs his juice. he needs his juice to continue to create religions and gods for all known planets, and plantes to be discovered. little known fact, rosie odonell actually invented the software that the keppler uses to make whoppers taste like little debbie products. juice juice juice
THE BIBLE where here before you were born, and will continue for all eternity after you die. So seal your lips.
i already told ya, go fuck yourself you religious pig, put your bible in your ass motherfucker !
Like i suspected...your head is empty and your faith is dead. All you can do is curse.. i pitty you..fool!!!!
Him cursing doesn't make what you said any more sane, nor any more grammatically coherent. What is it with the very devout and generally poor writing mechanics?
FYI, I could say the same thing about "Harry Potter" to my kids, doesn't make the book any less fictional.
That's because the extremely devout are extremely ignorant, hence to piss-poor grammar, spelling and coherency.
At what point did you go insane? Did you parents do this to you gustabo? You have my sympathy. I hope you find your way out of your delusion and are able to enjoy this beautiful world with what little time you have.
Sucka say what?
ha ha ha... you're funny... dumb, but funny.
So were the rocks.So is the sand.Difference is those are real.
The aliens may exist, or had existed 120 million years ago, or not for another 200 million years. If not in our galaxy now then there are millions of others. Though they will never come here. It would be a bad day if they did. We'd never survive such an advanced species. You would have to be to get here. So for now it is speculative. God isn't speculative, it is mythology that is still believed.
I may have bought into this whole "evil alien" thing when I was younger, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would an alien with the technology to travel to our planet ever want to wipe us out? It's not like earth has some unique natural resource which would need to be cultivated from just this planet. What makes earth so special is its location around the sun, its chemical composition however would leave much more resource rich planets out there. I really doubt an alien species would come here only to wipe us out, I don't see any real reason for that. Hell, even as slaves, we'd not be as effective as robots.
Sure evil aliens are possible, but I'd say less likely than benign aliens.
I agree completely.
The best you can do is to give them the facts. But the human mind once set in one area, like a believer in a god, they will just hardened their position. So don't expect any turn about. Just be as dogged as they are.
Just to remind all of the lost atheists: "science is the study of God,s creation."
Very true. The Bible and Science go hand in hand. The Earth is 4.6 billion years old as carbon dates it, yet people think that the Bible in Genesis is talking about this Earth being physically created in 6 days. That's just looney. Thanks to God that there is a study on what Genesis is truly talking about, which is nothing equaling to the physical creation of this earth, which occured billions of years ago, definitely not 6000 years ago. I'm suprised no one knows these studies, they've been around since forever, lol.
I would like to know your sources; the idea of an explanation of Genesis being true but not being a literal six days is interesting to me. This is not a challenge; I really would like scientific explanation for Genesis by someone who believes in God the creator/Yahweh/Jesus.
go fuck yourself you religious sick pig !
I'll bet your dad's a preacher or a priest, your mom makes cookies for the church bake sales and you sit in bible class every sunday.
Science is the study of the natural world – no need to implant conclusions on the existence or non-existence of supernatural entities into the mix. Those things are personal beliefs, and science deals with observable, reliably testable things.
As for "tRUTh'S Matter"'s comment – first, a factual correction: the dating of the age of the earth has nothing to do with carbon. Carbon dating can only be used to date fairly young things that used to be alive – meaning in the order of tens of thousands of years, not millions or billions. There are other radiometric dating methods that are used for dating the oldest rocks, and many ways of cross calibrating and checking these methods against other, different dating methods.
As for interpreting Genesis – it is of course your perogative to interpret it any way you like, but it just seems that when a literary text is clearly inaccurate, in pretty much all it's details, it would be better to say that it is a story that depicts the beliefs of it's writers, at a time when the scientific knowledge simply wasn't there to give a good explanation. It's just a bit embarrasing to claim that a story that puts the creation of the sun after the creation of plants, and gets even the sequence of events wrong, is somehow symbolically still valid and relevant to the origins of the universe.
Even from a Christian perspective, it makes for a more honest view to take the stories in their historical context, and not insist that they were dictated to the writers by God. Dr. Kenneth Miller, who is a believing Christian and an evolutionary biologist, has outlined his views on this in his book "Finding Darwin's God". I would recommend that to any Christian.
Very well said.
Hi. Thanks for the time you took to educate us. I just have to point out some things here. First of all, the bible is not to be taken literally. Please read Luke chapter 24 verse 45. Besides, please understand that the term "christianity" was not originated by Christ but by MEN at Antioch who thought certain behaved like Christ did. This of course like you said is a matter of personal interpretation. The Lord Jesus Christ is not coming back for those called "christians" but for those who believe in Him. This is because not everyone who proclaims God truly believes in Him or truly lives the way He wants (please read Mathew chapter 7 vearse 2)1. The christian scientist you talked about doesn't represent God just because he is refered to as a christian. Even the devil and his agents deceive people to be good (2nd corinthians chapter 11 verses 13-15. God bless you sir.
What mirsooo said.
you have the wrong faith brother. Earth is an insane asylum for deranged aliens. Our brothers and sisters leave us here on this remote planet in hopes we find our way back to sanity. If we have faith in our insanity, we will be saved, brother! Cured! They will come to take us back!!! But if we don't have faith, we are doomed here!!! Have faith brother, have faith.
and religion is opium for the ignorant masses and causes all wrongs: open your mind and learn! scientific discoveries are all around us and given by a god but due to hard work from people! bible is just a "law" book for the times was written same the koran etc.we live in modern times full of knowledge but some religious nuts try to fuel fear and get themselves rich exploiting the ignorants!
Just a reminder to you, stop being so offended at something you cannot prove. God or no god, you cannot prove his existence either. So stfu about religions and all this political crap.
Isn't it amazing to live in a world where we can actually take pictures of galaxies, far off nebulae and star clusters? The universe and our own piece of it are so amazing on their own, so beautiful and inspiring, that to throw an invisible sky faerie into the mix dishonors the awesome grandeur of what we have discovered and what has yet to be discovered.
Reminds me of the planet "Ebon" in that classic Outer Limits episode called "Nightmare" and it was too.
I'm Rick James b****!
People get sooooo offended when JESUS is mentioned. That is goooood news to me, cause that ONLY proves that JESUS is the REAL DEAL. Not mohamed, not budda, not nobody else but JESUS ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!! The reason this happens is because people who live in this dark world hate the light.
Get into the real world and out of the coma you've been induced into from when you were a child!
If i am in a coma.. i dont want to wake up!! Knowing JESUS is without words the best of life. Yeaaahh!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@
You remind me of that pink bowler in Big Lebowski. "Jesus, jesus, jesus". It seems a bit over the top. That's not a compliment, by the way. (In case you haven't seen the film)
Are you going to get your picture taken with him at the mall at Christmas time?...oh wait! That's santa clause...sorry...got my fairytales mixed up.
Are you on drugs.
Please, my son, just stop typing. You are cramping my style.
Mohammed thought Jesus was real.
I just wanna start a war with aliens so they can wipe out this sorry ass excuse for a planet and finally prove that GOD IS NOT REAL all you brain washed idiots lol
People from outer space aren't real either-
Yes they are. I am one and so are you. Ask your mom.
Your right there are not "people" from outerspace, but to assume that we are the only beings that inhabit this universe is just plain silly. I cannot prove that anthor form of life exists beyond our solar system, but you can't disprove it as well. I happen to agree with alot of perople on this blog. If an entire species had the capacity and ability to travel to our planet from several light years away why would they bother? we would be found to be (more than likely) both moraley and scintificly inferior and not worth the effort.
All "Post A Comment" ALL across the Internet, Everywhere...should be banned! Let's say it plainly as it is: technology has made men into imbecile dwarfs: scan ANY Post a Comment on CNN or anywhere, and you cannot arrive at any other conclusion.
On behalf of all people of reason, I want to give all of those who attribute any scientific discovery to any god....
a big facepalm.
Well.... science only DISCOVERS what GOD has created. Just to remind you science is the study of GOD'S cration..
Ummm... no... there is no God.
This is a kingdom born upside-down.
This is a kingdom where the broken are crowned...~ As I Lay Dying
Does anyone else think some astrophysicists giggle to themselves when someone says "coronal mass ejection"?
Colonia mass ejection ladys???any one? Any one?
I was so happy to finally read a science article and I hoped to read and discuss readers' posts that for once aren't about Jesus and politics. Boy was I disappointed (in the comment section).
Well black people alwasy complaining about every thing and always crying wolf....so fainaly a world as black as they are...let's send them all and make them happy wil throw in some chickens ,shiney rims,and crazy white woman....lol.....
Go play in the street.
You're a moron, and not funny in the least.
Shut up Limpbaugh!
Republican? i think so..............get an education, then a job.
I couldn't agree with you more! I was so excited... and now disappointed.
"That's no moon. It's a space station."
Or just loads of alien goths.
Yes, we have operated there for some time now. We will release this information to the planet next
Tuesday................ask your mom, she knows.
I think we found the Republican home world.
You made me LOL. Great answer!!
Verrrry true. I aggggreeee.
These geeks sreaming about spelling on comments they r being made here are defintely suffering from penis envy!! Get grip! Most people are typeing on keyboards ai inch and half wide while driving or having a confersation. So go back to your role playing games and woman less nights!!
You might try saying thank you to those same geeks for the ability to type on a 1 inch keyboard on a device that fits into your pocket.
Power to the Geeks!
You are retarded!
And you, good sir, have just proved the point about poor grammar and spelling. BTW, I sincerely hope you're not one of the ones typing while driving (Darwinism at work) or while carrying on a "confersation" (which is just rude).
I find "Hell" is a place defined by status and the mind. If you are poor, and in need everywhere is hell. The richer you are, the more places seem brighter. Once you get to be like Buffet, Gates, or Slims, you start farting rainbows, and your $h!ts smell like a fresh spring breeze.
that's why many rich and famuos dkill themselves right? I guess you think if you were rich you will be happy, well you are wrong
That's a very correct description of hell, hence people sometime say "I feel like hell!" However, it is only one form of hell. Being burned alive is also hell. This dark planet maybe absorbing lot's of sunlight, only to re-radiate it internally, so inside would be a lot of light obviously. I have no idea what form of life would evolve inside, but there's more happening that we don't know.
JESUS IS LORD, LORD, LORD! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!
Oh, for the love of canned air, WE GET IT ALREADY! You love Jesus. Fine. Please add something to the current conversation or move along. We're not in need of saving. Also, assuming that you're the only christian here is ignorant. Do you really hope to sway those that aren't by typing in caps? You're coming off like a bit of a loon.
Yea and the Earth was made in 6 days....get real.
You guys are going to get strike by lightning!!.....
No. Earth is carbon-dated 4.6 billion years old, the Bible was written in a span on 6000yrs, Genesis doesnt speak of a physical 6-day creation. Everyone knows that. Aren't we talking science here?
1) The earth was not carbon dated to 4.5 billion years. Carbon dating has a 50,000 year limit, and only applicable to organic materials. The term you are looking for is "radiometric dating", or you could cite specific types which are useful for long time-scales, like Uranium-Uranium dating.
2) The order in the bible according to genesis is flat out wrong. Flowering plants, or plants with seeds, did not come before fish. Fish and birds didn't come at the same time. The sun was here before the earth. Each day's timescale would have to shift radically, the first "day" was about 10 billion years before the second day, but the differences between the last two days would be on the time-scale of some hundred million years. As a narrative of the creation of the universe, it really is highly inaccurate, even if we are fairly generous with the interpretation. It is far more likely just a story people created to explain the universe as we knew it.
Hey MikeB! We get it, you love Jesus.
You insecure little twit.
Mike, if you alienate your readers (all CAPS, etc), exactly how are you supposed to teach as directed in Matthew 28:16-20? Hint: don't alienate others. Show love for others. Let them ask you why you are showing love. Then you can teach.
Go find something better to do, why don't you smoke some weed. Since Lord and jesus put it there for you, smoke some more. Retarded pig.
Would you go to a college where all the teachers died some 2000 yrs ago? I bet there's much learning going on there, not. You need more than theory. There are living teachers on Earth, that's the good news.
PEOPLE WHO ACCEPT JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOR ARE NOT IDIOTS! THEY'RE CALLED CHRISTIANS!
Let's call the whole thing off!
Not the article it's self,but that i only had to read 6 posts before some jackass had to mention jesus.
And where ever you see a mention about jesus or god,your sure to find a homophobic comment in tow.
The lord be with you!!! All though it shouldnt
And may the lard be with you too. 🙂
F&%$ YOUR COUCH!
imagine what type of life would exist on a planet such as this one, if any life did exist at all.
That's an interesting thought. I wonder what life would be like on this planet. Perhaps it is not even a carbon based life, but something entirely different. I sincerely hope that they find an earth-like planet in my life time. What an amazing discovery that would be!
Unfortunately it appears to be a Gas Giant, so essentially a giant ball of gas and clouds, much like Jupiter or Saturn and therefore has no ground for life to evolve. While it has been theorized that airborne lifeforms could evolve in the atmosphere of a Gas Giant, it's still unlikely.
But it is an interesting thought.
Theorecticlly has no gorund and only atmosphere. I am hoping the most recent Jupiter Mission will establish how far the gases go.
And I believe this is an artists rendering. We have no idea what it truly looks like. Did anyone find out if this planet is inside the habitabl zone of this star?
I DID NOT ACCUSE SATAN OF EDITING THIS MATERIAL, BUT IF HE DID.. I'M SURE THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD WOULD BE OMITTED LOL
Everybody stop! We all know that Wayne Brady is Satan...and he is mildly entertaining, not so devious or evil.
Huh, that's where I put that thing....
Fascintating - Earthlings must continue searching the universe; it is naive to think that Earth is the only planet that (can) sustain(s) Life. While discovering new planets / other worlds – may not only bring questions, but may also provide answers.
So just to confirm... your saying its naive to not believe something that has not been proven or substantiated in any way shape or form...
No, it's naive to not ask questions and to not continue searching when the answer is not known.
There are 400 billion stars in our galaxy alone and probably a 5th of those have planets orbiting them. Out of those planets, a third are most likely terrestrial ((Have ground)). With those odds, and the fact that life as we know it is made from some of the most abundant elements in the universe ((Carbon, Hydrogen etc.)) it is incredibly unlikely that we are alone in our universe, let alone our galaxy or even our local star cluster. I find it much more likely that we live in a very crowded neighborhood, but that most species either kill themselves off before they reach space or communicate in a different way than radiowaves.
It is arrogant and indeed naive to believe that the universe was made just for us.
I think what IAM59 is saying is that it is naive to ignore the combined effects of the laws of probability and the amazing ability of life to exist in all sorts of environments. Put the two together, and the chance that life other planets is 100%. Intelligent life, or technologically advanced life, that might be another story. It is arrogance to believe that our planet is so unique that we are alone in the universe.
Awesome discovery. I love science1
Dark, vast, deep...octomom perhaps?
I don't know what's more astounding, the discovery of this planet or some of the comments here. With elected officials who think like these people it's no wonder why we're swirling around the economic toilet bowl. Our grandparents and great grand parents would be disgusted at our current lack of vision and drive to discover. We are a nation built on pushing forward, progressing. We used to be explorers and inventors. Now some want to slide the needle back and let other countries become the future innovators? Truly astounding and sad. My great grand father was a devout christian and also a physicist who had several books published on mathematics. The two are not mutually exclusive. Lets just try and think on slightly more grand terms and less entrenched, divisive, dogmatic terms. Please!
Ra'men, brother. (Or sister, if that be the case.)
Today people are living in a very dark world. Injustice is pretty dark. Rape murder y pretty dark. Homosexuality is pretty dark. This world is much much darker then this dark planet they discoveted. Jesus said, I have come as a light into the world that wosoever believes in me would not remain in darkness.
you are raven dark and all your crap.
WTF?! You're putting homosexuality on the same plane as rape and murder?? Then fuck you and your bigoted and archaic beliefs.
thanks for the entertainment everyone. good stuff. it truly is amazing how small we all are...especially the religious fuddyduddies who are so sure of their beliefs....just as historic religious leaders were positive that the earth was flat, and that the sun went around the earth, and that sacrificing hot babes to the gods would make their crops grow better, etc etc etc......WAKE UP – and hear the nonsense which you spew....
JESUS IS LORD!!!
lol lord of the idiots.
O.K. Thanks for that. Do you have something to add to the conversation? I think we all understood the first few times you posted. Any thoughts on the discovery?
THE VERY FACT THAT MY COMMENT WAS DELETED IS PROOF ENOUGH TO ME THAT SATAN IS ALIVE & WELL ON PLANET EARTH. NEVER MIND SOMEWHERE ELSE!
You're stretching my faith in humanity a bit thin. Scroll down. It's right where you posted it. There is no grand conspiracy.
So the editors are Satan?
Clearly you are not convinced or you wouldn't be so desperate to convince others.
Maybe it's an alien spaceship
Anything that black could only mean one thing...we've found wesley snipes' birthplace
i tried not to laugh but that's freakin' funny!
Weren't we all jealous he got to work on a space ship at a young age!
Lol lol lol too funny, but verry true
RE: "...how does finding a planet 750 light years away, help to improve earths living conditions? "
It's too early to tell. The we-should-use-the-money-to-feed-the-starving-masses-instead-of-wasting-it-on-science argument is the kind of simple-minded thinking that causes more problems in the long run. Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll feed himself his whole life. Use science to create sonar and commercial fishing can find enough fish to feed the world. You never know what a scientific discovery will lead to. If there is a god, surely he created great intelligence in a few so that the rest of us can benefit.
I could care less about all this arguing. Someone said Christians use the bible like a baseball bat. Yell yeah they do! And I agree. If there is a god, does anybody honestly think he wants us to try to force someone to waste time sitting and making wishes? I am Christian, but I don't go to church every Sunday. Or anytime for that matter. If he's real he wouldn't want us arguing about Him. He'd want us to enjoy our ONE life. And if anyone replies, please don't just take cheap shots at my spelling, it degraded you.
Fixes: *hell. *degrades. Sorry, I have auto-correct.
Sounds like they found HELL.
one of the many actually.
This is amazing! The universe is vast. Look up at the sky, and know there are billions of stars beyond what you can see. This really is fascinating. Consider all the planets we've discovered. From Earth, to gas planets like Jupiter, to Saturn with all its rings, and then planets like this, that have been discovered and exist far from our solar system. Planets are like people in the sense that while they may have similar traits, they are unique. Just think of all that could still be out there! 😀
I agree, it's so exciting. I hope they find an 'earth-type' planet out there in my life time. What an amazing discovery that would be!
i like turtles
So do I (:
Jesus said: whoever believe in me would not remain in darkness. Man loved darknes more than light.
This relates to the article . . . how, exactly?
And I say, go get some education.
Earth is the darkest planet known to God. When homosexuality is allowed. Rape murder etc. Thats pretty dark. A sinful world.
All of you talking about religion and this and that. As you can see that work of the God "Allah" our creator NO Jesus could ever make a planet like that not even a little flea in fact. You sit their and worship a dead man on a stick and you claim he is your creator when you forget the big pic about who your creator is. You worship a cross that you don't even know what the man on it is supposed to look like. All the messengers and prophets did not want their pictures, statues made so people would not be sidetracked and miss the big picture " Our Creator". Only the almighty can forgive us all including Jesus.
What, may I ask, does your reply have to do with the article? This is about a physical object in the real universe. Not a metaphysical concept.
Everything is related to your creator, you included.
Mike, some of those fanatic idiots always looks for an opportunity to preach what they themselves don't even believe.
Is god a man or a woman ?
A perfect god would resemble a heterosexual male caucasian, self-taught southern, evangelical fundamentalist religious zealot. Fortunately god blesses Uhmurikah (and not those other member of the yeeeeeeeeeeew-nited nations) so he is running for US president in 2012. Now we can have gawwwwwwwwd as our co-pilot again... jest like we did wif that greatest president of all time... Jimmy Carter.
Nobody need to hear your homosexuality comments k? Some people might be gay, and so what? You scared? I recalled that people like you does not clearly understand the concept of life. God cannot create the earth in "6"days k? Big Bang theory – read about it.
Does the bible ever mention creating the earth in six CONSECUTIVE days? It doesn't? Weird... Also, big bang THEORY... Think about it
@ jim smith: learn Science and Scientific terminology: THEORY does NOT mean guess or hunch as it does in quoloquial speach. THEORY is the best explanation of observable laws and facts. Look at gravity for example... it is STILL a theory... and it will remain so until it is found to be wrong... then, only then, will it be discarded. A scientific theory is the highest level of achievement in the scientific study.
That was your free science lesson for the day... please don't sleep in class again.
A theory is an idea that has no fact (I repeat, FACT), behind it. Do not insult my belief when you have no FACT for your own. Believe what you want, I'm all for it, but since you have no FACT to support your theory, don't blatantly reject mine. You don't see me rejecting all the scientific discoveries humankind has made. Get some FACTS and then I'll listen to you. By the way, if a theory is the highest achievement of science, we have some work to do. Go get a higher education than a GED.
Monsieur, s'il vous plait, j'ai beaucoup plus d'éducation que vous.
Или если вы желаете, то, я могу поговорить в русском
Sir, you've clearly missed the point of my comment... use the SCIENTIFIC definition for SCIENTIFIC words when discussing SCIENTIFIC topics. It clears things up greatly.
Here I'll help: theory |ˈTHēərē, ˈTHi(ə)rē|
noun ( pl. theories )
-a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained (science)
-a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based (music or education)
– an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action (a guess or hunch)
See? 3 different times to use the same word for very different reasons. This lesson is also free... next ones gonna cost you.
Great job! You learned how to use the international keypad! "system of IDEAS (not facts)". Also, the "thing" we are referring to is way outside of your range of intellect. I suggest you learn about your theories that you so desperately want to be fact. God bless.
Again, scientific terminology please.
God Be Less to you too.
If you did not see, I quoted your "terminology". Nice try, though. We all know what a theory is, but apparently you think it is more than "ideas" (see what I did there? Used your own "knowledge" against you). So go back to google and use some wikipedia to spout some more nonsense that I can easily refute. At least I have faith in something. Fool.
@ John Smith,
OH NO!!!! NOT PSALMS 14!!!!! *trembles* You talk about faith as if it's a good thing... "belief in something without any proof of it's validity" a.k.a. GULIBLE or NAIVE.
Try looking up the scientific definition of FACT as well as theory... Here's the hiarchy: Observation (Facts), Law (universal and invariable facts of the physical universe, usually with an empirically determined constant), Hypothosis (here's where the word "guess" would come into play, as long as you can TEST it) and Theory (once the Hypothosis has been tested repeatedly with predictable results it MAY become a Theory until someone else finds a kink in the whole system and it crashes). No, you didn't "turn my knowledge against me", you merely accentuated the fact that you don't know the scientific method. Yes, the theory of evolution started as an idea... and this idea has been tested, retested and tested again in over 20 different scientific fields for over 150 years and is STILL better than "GODDIDIT". The BIG BANG THEORY is STILL better than "GODDIDIT", Gravitational theory is STILL better than "GODDIDIT"... is it starting to sink in yet?
As stated below by TruthPointer... "(the) internet and wonderful sources like Wikipedia give us the tools to research quickly, and perhaps back it up via textbooks. Go back to church you religitard. Stay off the science boards if you can't converse intelligibly.
It's hilarious how you continue to argue with pointless scientific detail that contributes little to none to humankind. Does it matter how gravity works? No. It matters because it's there. The big bang may have happened, but God started all life. And what's really hilarious is that I'm a senior in high school, 17, and I know that wikipedia can be changed by anyone that starts an account. Go play on the science boards instead of contributing to your or anyone elses life. Like you have anything worth saying in the first place.
@ John Smith;
"scientific detail that contributes little to none to humankind. Does it matter how gravity works? No." For Fux sake... stay in school son. Yes it matters how gravity works because we use this knowledge for space exploration... because of these calculations, we were able to send men to the moon and back, using computers with the equivalent computational power of todays pocket computers. We use this knowledge to calculate the size of objects in space that would take lifetimes to reach... and then when these objects go through the peer review process, other scientists either concer with the findings or they point out where the error(s) have been made.
"The big bang may have happened, but God started all life." Pretty big claim there... prove it. And while you're at it, prove that it was YOUR God that did it, not Zeus, Odin, Ra, Vishnu, or any other God that is believed to exist. Now let me educate you on something that you obviously slept thruogh in science class: The Big Bang Theory has NOTHING to do with the creation of life... you may want to look at Abiogenisis for those theories and others relating to that particular field.
"And what's really hilarious is that I'm a senior in high school, 17..." no, that's not hilarious, that's scary that your state education system failed you so bad.
"I know that wikipedia can be changed by anyone that starts an account." Yes, there is a conspiracy to fool the masses into believing lies about the origins of the Cosmos, the begining of life on earth, and the history of civilization, but it's not Wikipedia, it's the Bible. I already stated that Wikipedia is but A source for information... and TruthPointer did as well... you have to learn to read and pay attention.
"Go play on the science boards instead of contributing to your or anyone elses life. Like you have anything worth saying in the first place." Is this going to be your strategy in life? Tuck tail and run? Rather than engage in debate, research your view point, develope arguments and counter arguments? If your convictions are strong and you "know" you're right... you shouldn't have a problem... but if your convictions are weak and your "evidence" is lacking... you may be better off to run and read your Bible again. Tell you what... scroll up to where I have quotes from the book of Genesis... Find yourself a convincing argument that satisfies you that the Bible is accurate and true and come back here to convince me.
Who gives a crap about space? It's pretty obvious there is no intelligent life on any planet within millions and millions of light years from earth. Sure it gave us smartphones, but deep space did nothing for humankind. It just gives spineless fools like you who have no faith something to think about. Prove to me that there is life off earth (that doesn't include bacteria). Prove to me that the money spent on deep space telescopes is actually doing something for us. Show me the FACTS. Until you can do that, you have nothing on religion. NOTHING. Keep your small mind on the stars. Just so you know, there's nothing out there. Keep looking, you'll be wasting your God-given life.
Dear Jim Smith,
So... you have nothing...
"It's pretty obvious there is no intelligent life on any planet within millions and millions of light years from earth." So what? Are you afraid that if life is found beyond the human reach of space travel, it will prove that life was NOT specially created on Earth, therefore not knowing if we are in FACT God's chosen creation? Do you need life to be found so close to home to hold dear your beliefs?
"Sure it gave us smartphones, but deep space did nothing for humankind." No, not nothing, it gave us much more. Understanding. And with it, advancements in medical sciences, geological sciences, physics, and other disciplines. It just gives weak-minded fools like you who have faith a lot to think about.
"Prove to me that there is life off earth (that doesn't include bacteria)." Well son, that will take the money that you and your like want to cut on space exploration. But we will rise to the challenge. And why exclude bacteria? Is it not life enough for you? Surely, if we can find something as tiny as bacterium in space, we could find something much larger. It's all a numbers game.
"Show me the FACTS. Until you can do that, you have nothing on religion. NOTHING." That is the job of your state employed science teachers. Now I'm lead to believe that you are either from Texas, or home schooled... either way, your teachers are failing you BADLY, but stay in school, ask lots of questions and finally, just LISTEN.
"Just so you know, there's nothing out there." Pretty bold claim (you're good at these, not so good at backing them up). Historically, religitards like yourself have tried to impede scientific advancement by telling the scientists and explorers that there's nothing out there, "Keep looking, you'll be wasting your God-given life." And historically, scientists and explorers have proven the religitards wrong. The gods used to live on Mount Olympus, but when we climbed it, there were no dwellings there. Heaven used to be among the clouds... do you remember that? But we learned to fly above the clouds and there was nothing there... so God moved all the spirits and his kingdom to outer space. But we developed rockets and satellites and still found nothing... now Heaven is in "another dimension... seems like you guys just keep moving Him further and further away, but you insist He has a personal interest in YOUR life, or who wins the Superbowl, or that is rains in Texas the day after a prayerfest...
So one final question: Are you even going to try to answer the Genesis issue? Or just roll over and believe what uneducated people keep telling you about unprovable notions of a sky daddy, meant to enslave your mind and justify their horrific acts.
Again, nothing but nonsense coming out of your mouth. Even i know that medicine studies and geological studies come from planetary orbit, not a planet six hundred billion light years away. I never said I wanted to cut from space exploration. Being in orbit of earth has given us the technology we now posess. And the Hubble space telescope just gives you pretty pictures of burning balls of gas and empty balls of rock to put on the walls of your moms basement. I stick by what I believe until I have (yet again this comes up) facts to back up either my or your belief. And yes, I'm from Texas, and damn proud of it too. Where are you from, new York? The teachers I've had are nationally recognized as well, so I wouldnt be going after Texas when you can't even prove your points to me. All I've been asking for is facts. And yet after these long paragraphs you type on your iPhone you still don't give them to me. All you do is try and convince me that God didnt do it when you yourself have no facts behind your belief. I'm 17, do you think I know everything? Of course I don't. But at least I have a spine and have faith in something. What's your faith in? Rocks billions and billions of miles away? Have fun in hell. I bet you'll be Satans number one butt f****r.
LMAO! Threats of Hell and Satan!!!! Now were you this angry when you found out Santa wasn't real too? Di you kiss your mother with that mouth? You have anger issues dude.
No I'm not from NY, CNN caters to people from all over the world, not just the US.
I have a friend in Texas... his name is AaronRa (look for him on YouTube) he's an actual scientist who can answer all your questions about the universe and evolution... seriously... look him up... you'll even understand the accent. Here you will find all the FACTS you need: no Bible required. And if you don't want to believe him, might I recommend Dr Eugenie Scott at the National Centre for Science Education. She has taken on the Texas Board of Education and won in court many, MANY times. So, no, I'm pretty confident going after the TBE considering their track record. Again, no Bible required, no FAITH required.
What do I believe in?
Humans do not require a god to be moral.
Religion divides more than it unites.
It’s untrue that atheists “believe in nothing.”
It does not take more faith to be an atheist.
Atheists do not deny god because they wish to be gods.
Religion and science are incompatible.
Complexity does not equal design.
The scientific method trumps primitive anonymous texts.
The scriptures are ridiculous, offensive and demonstrably false.
One doesn’t require an afterlife to have a meaningful life.
***Threats of eternal hell-fire betray a weak argument.***
Schools should be filled with facts, not fanatics.
Your personal experience does not prove god.
An inability to disprove god does not prove god.
Not knowing what caused the Big Bang does not prove god.
And if you believe in any gods, the burden of proof is on you.
That pretty much sums it up... nice short, concise sentences... should be easy for you to follow.
See... I can finish a discussion without threats of violence, nor vulgarities... how does MY morality stack up to yours?
I'm done with this nonsense, except for one thing. You completely contradict yourself on the "the inability to disprove God does not prove God". Theories are the same way. The inability to disprove the big bang does not prove the big bang. Think about it, no need to respond because I'm done talking with foreign scientific nuts.
But I'm not done with you... There is no contradiction because I've already explained to you how Theories work... remember the part where I said: once the Hypothosis has been tested repeatedly with predictable results it MAY become a Theory until someone else finds a kink in the whole system and it crashes. However, I'll take the word of 1000s upon 1000s of scientists who have tried repeatedly to disprove the Theory and admittedly failed to do so, as to the strength of the Theory, over a 17 year old kids unwilling to read more than one book on the subject. I call this "willfully ignorant". You don't want to look at the facts presented to you, so you stick your fingers in your ears and shout "la la la la la la la, I'm not listening" repeatedly. Grow up you dishonest child. I have shown you that the Bible is false, you won't look at it. I showed you the Bible is false so that you'd accept the possibility that there are other books out there that do provide the answers you are looking for, but you refuse to look at them. You just keep regurgitating the same religious crap that we've heared 100s of times. You, son, add nothing to the discussion.
Again, I'm done. I really don't give a crap what you and your so called facts have to say. You have proven absolutely nothing. I am not willfully ignorant, I read the books. I will completely listen when I get some facts, which will never happen. You will never have the facts to back up your argument. Don't force on me scientific crap that has no fact behind it. It doesn't matter how many times you test it. I've repeatedly tried to end this pointless conversation with an ignorant fool but said fool keeps telling me the same thing. "theories are fact". If they were fact, they wouldn't be called theories. Keep testing. It's pretty obvious there will never be any facts. I think I'll stick with my book. Have fun wasting your life. If you think your so right, why are you arguing with a 17 year old like me? Oh I know! Because no one will listen to you. You obviously know SO MUCH, so maybe you should be in a lab watching hunks of lifeless rock. God bless. Even fools like you get His grace. I'm done commenting and I've had my say. Obviously I know more than you think since I can keep up with you on all this crap your saying. I'm ranked 12th in my class out of 550 so I'm a pretty smart guy. And if you can't convince me, you won't convince anyone else. So have fun staring at stars wherever you are on this beautiful gift from God we call Earth.
Pretty smart kid, for a Texan... no, that's not fair... I'm sorry. Ever ask yourself where Texans rank in the national education system? http://www.window.state.tx.us/comptrol/wwstand/wws0512ed/ Please forgive me if I don't fall to my knees in awe... (by the way... these are statistical FACTS that I am presenting to you from the very state of Texas that you live in... I didn't make it up... honest).
You aren't keeping up with me, you are resorting to circular arguments. You refuse to use the same language I do (insisting on using the wrong definition of the words fact and theory trying to justify why you don't believe in scientific facts and scientific theory). If you're not agreeing on the same language, you will never accept the truth. I'll give you an example: Gopher: If I told you they were a rodent who dug holes in the prairies, would you reply that they don't, 'cause they are a tortoise? In this case we'd both be 100% correct. So we'd have to come to an agreement on what exactly we are talking about. when I say "gopher" I mean any of several ground squirrels of the genus Citellus, of the prairie regions of North America. If you agree, you'd put asside your definition of any North American burrowing tortoise of the genus Gopherus, especially G. polyphemus, of the southeastern U.S. and the conversation would continue without argument. You have proven yourself unable/unwilling to do this with both words fact and theory. Any reader of this thread would see that I have been consistant with my words, and you have not. You refuse to answer challenges where I have either answered yours directly or directed you to experts in the field who could provide much more accurate and up to date information. Come on... Genesis 1 vs Genesis 2... are you up for the challenge? or are you a coward?
Wow, calling a 17 year old a coward. That's some real maturity right there folks. To be honest, I don't keep up with people like you trying to contradict the bible. I don't know about the "challenge" that you are calling me a coward for. Remember, I am only 17. We don't talk about the differences between religion and "science" at school. I read my bible like it's meant to be read, i don't read it trying to prove it wrong like some people. You also keep avoiding me. If you know so much, why are you trying to shove it down the throats of people who comment on a CNN article? If you have anything worth saying, it shouldn't only be contained in a CNN comment thread. If you think I'm such a foolish child, why even mess with it? I do not know everything. No one does. You aren't convincing me of anything, though. We'll see whose right when we die.
If 17 year olds can be sent off to war to fight for their country, then 17 year olds can be called cowards as well.
You don't know about the challenge? Here I'll refresh your memory:
1) Tell you what... scroll up to where I have quotes from the book of Genesis... Find yourself a convincing argument that satisfies you that the Bible is accurate and true and come back here to convince me. (in my 5th post to you)
2) So one final question: Are you even going to try to answer the Genesis issue? (in my 6th post to you)
and just to make it easier for you... here's the Genesis quotes again... you won't have to look for the verses:
Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.
Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.
Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.
Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.
I'm waiting for your wisdom, Mr #12 of 550 students from a school in the #49th ranked state in the nation in verbal SAT scores, and #46 in average math SAT scores.
But don't rush to answer: ask your preacher if you want...
You obviously don't read the bible right. Genesis 2 is really the start of the story. Genesis 1 is a summary of the days he created the earth. Genesis 1 is the chronological sequence of events where God created the heavens and the earth, while genesis 2 is an extended story of the creation of Adam and eve. There are no "contradictions" at all.
Genesis 2 talks about the creation of animals, trees, etc., in the garden of Eden, not the entire earth. Those things were not created after Adam and eve on earth, just in the garden of Eden.
By the way, I ranked in the top 10% in the nation on my SAT, and top 5% on the math section.
You're satisfied with that? Really?
Genesis 2 is really the start of the story. Genesis 1 is a summary of the days he created the earth. Ok, let's go with that... still doesn't answer why Chapter 2 states the creations came after Adam, yet Chapter 1 states Adam was "chronologically created" last.
There are no "contradictions" at all. Nice try... no wonder at all that you guys (Texans) score so well in math. (Really did you look at the link? I'm still wiping tears from my eyes... "Out of Texas’ 145 public and private higher education institutions, only one private institution, Rice University, ranked among the nation’s top 50." Unless you're planning on going to Rice University, a secular school by the way, please tell me you're going out of state for college... LMAO)
There are absolutely no contradictions. Did you read my second post? The creations that are describes in genesis 2 do not refer to the creation on the entire earth, they refer to the creation of those things in the garden of Eden. God created the garden after the world was made and filled it with life. See? Trees, birds, animals, everything was made already, just not in the garden of Eden until God filled it.
In responce to your second post: Why would God have to create the animals and trees in the garden a second time? Do you think he found a void, placed Adam in it, and then decorated it for Adam's enjoyment? Even though he had all the rest of creation already there? Your God is a moron. You answer is still flawed. Keep trying.
And congrats on being smarter than the rest of your disfunctional peers. Still doesn't say much though... seeing as the US ranks 18 out of 36 industrialized nations in secondary education. Be proud. Really, it's an acheivement.
Do you know where the garden used to be? In the middle of a desert, yes that's right. God put the garden there and filled it with life. Where there was no life, God made it be. God is not the moron here, you are. I accepted your challenge and gave the answer. I know you don't believe it, but I do. Also, I refuted your contradictions. Just because God made those things in an area where there was no life doesn't mean the rest of the world was a barren wasteland as you believe the bible to say. God didn't make the entire world a rainforest, flourishing with life. He put the most fertile garden the world has ever had right in the middle of a place where no one would think it to be, in the middle of a desert.
So tell me, which verse are you getting this from? I have a Bible in front of me and... Gn 2: 4 Such is the story of the heavens and the earth at their creation. Second story of Creation. *****At the time when the lord god made the earth and the heavens- 5. while as yet there was no field shreub on earth and no grass of the field had sprouted, for the Lord God ha sent no rain upon the earht and there was no man to till the soil, 6. but a stream was welling up out of the earth and was watering all the surfaces of the ground- 7. the Lord God formed man out of the clay of the ground and blew into his notrils the breath of life, and so man became a living thing.
read line 5 again... now go back to 4... read line 5... and line 7....... I don't see desert anywhere. But I'm not done... So Genesis 1 talks about the 7 days of creation stating that Gn 1 26-27 Then God said: "let us make man in our image, after our likeness... blah blah blah. Gn 2 :1 Thus the heavens and the earth and all their array were completed. 2 Since on the seventh day God was finished with the work he had been doing, he rested on the seventh day from all the work he had undertaken. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and ....
This seems to follow pretty much what Gn 1 was saying at the end... agreed? So why would ANYONE have to create man again and then the plants and animals AGAIN in the very NEXT VERSE?
How old is the earth Mr Smith? Not an exact number just an approximation... to the best of your educated knowledge?
Your answer will depend greatly on how much more you have to deal with me... whether there is hope for you, or if you are a lost, delusional being on this pale blue dot, I call home... please answer...
Dry clay equals dirt. Duh. You usually find a lot of dirt in the desert. Duh. Again, genesis 1 is the chronological sequence of events in the days where He created the earth. Genesis 2 comes back to the 6th day and goes into more detail of when he created man. Then on the seventh day, He rested. I think this is pretty cut and dry. I as well have my bible in front of me, and it's pretty clear.
To the best of my knowledge, the earth is said to be a few billion years old.
I have been to the Sahara desert in Africa (Western Sahara in Tunisia and the Sahara in Egypt), there is neither clay, nor dirt there... only sand. Seeing as Israel borders Egypt, I'd imagine their deserts aren't that much different... I've also witnessed plant life in these deserts where there are no men to "till the soil" so either the writers got it wrong, of the story in itself is wrong.
Which brings me to my question about the age of the earth... you really don't believe in the literal truth of the Bible as evidenced by you accepting that the earth is several billion years old. You therefore accept some scientific evidence for this probably including the fact that human remains have been found dating back over 10,000 years (based on the same dating methodes used to calculate the age of the planet). Contrarily, a young earth creationist would claim the earth to be arond 6000 years old as dictated by the literal interpretation of the Bible.... If you don't believe this, why defend it? If you don't believe the 1st book of the Bible, why believe ANY of it?
You don't have to answer, I won't think any less of you... just think about what I've said...
One more point: Genesis 2 comes back to the 6th day and goes into more detail of when he created man. No, Genesis 2 goes back to when "there was no field shrub on EARTH..." it doesn't say future garden, or special desert, it specifically says EARTH. Saying anything different in special appologetics, and if you need these, your argument is pretty weak.
You obviously don't think very much of me anyway, so I will answer. I never said I believed that the earth was a few billion years old. I said that the earth is said to be. I haven't studied any kind of archeology so I can't talk about ages of humans or of the earth itself considering I'm going to be a business major. This kind of argument is never going to be resolved until 1) we die and see for ourselves or 2) the judgment day comes on our lifetime. I believe the first as well as all books of the bible. All I can say is that my faith will not be shaken. It really has been a good debate I feel like. You have some pretty decent points. I feel like I have some good points as well. Like I said, we aren't going to convince each other of anything outside of our beliefs, so that's what I want to leave it as. Honestly i didn't mean the Satan thing. I just got pissed and I was defending myself as well as my faith. That's all I have to say.
Good luck in your studies Jim. I'll accept your apology. Please do consider that others will continue to study geology, archeology, anthropology and many other fields of study. These fields are making great progress in knowledge, whereas those who study theology are not adding to knowledge, and in my opinion, they just add new interpretation to fit with current knowledge. I did realize that you used words "it is said that the earth is..." but I had to move my train of thought along. No, I might not convince you with just one point... but remember, there are more contradictions in the Bible than just Genesis...
I invite you to look at the following web site: http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/page/bible-contradictions.
If you think I made some decent points (and yes I know that you could be just be politely dismissing me) with just Genesis, look into the other points brought on this page. When you realise all the mental gymnastics that have to be performed to justify these, you'll start to realize that the debate isn't over. You don't have to wait until after you die, nor will you be waiting for jugement day here on earth. Science = it works.
@ Jim Smith
Sorry, but I disagree that you made any "good points." It was a very one sided "debate" if you want to call it a debate.
Just a couple pointers for your next debate.
That's fine that you have a strong faith. I would just be careful claiming things like "The garden of Eden was in a desert because dry dirt = clay = desert." Or whatever logic you used. Claiming the garden of Eden actually existed on Earth is quite a lofty claim and will be difficult to provide any evidence for this besides Genesis. Maybe find a talking snake somewhere.
I wouldn't advertise that you are 17 and that you are in the top 10%. That's great and all but doesn't validate any of your points more or less than if they were made by a 60 year old homeless man.
If you are going to engage in arguments/debates with people, you have to keep an open-mind and really "listen" to what the other people are saying.
@ I=rubber u=glue
Of course me being 17 doesn't validate my points. I never said it did. I'm just saying I'm not a dumb texan. I do have an open mind, trust me (I read the books and I did do the research and look up the points that fimeilleur gave to me). Like I've said, this is an argument that won't ever be resolved. Both sides are too rigid to accept any of the other side. You may feel like I made no points, but I made my argument on the genesis thing. Take it how you want, but that's my view on it. I'm not saying y'all have to believe what I believe. I'm all for freedom of religion (or no religion). But like I've said I'm sticking with my faith.
Souls that do bad karma are sent for re-incarnation to planets such as these. Maybe the ancient Indians were right after all. They did give us astronomy, and discovered the first 7 or 8 planets, besides drawing the Earth as round long before the scientists of Europe finally discovered this truth (after which the church leaders burned them alive).
On several of your examples...
May I suggest the wonderful tool of long, sincere and unbiased research. You'd be surprised how much truth is hiding in our own world, but not hidden good enough for the determined seeker.
Ok, let's see. India was one of several cultures that studied astronomy. However, you lack any citation to the claim that they discovered "7 or 8" planets. Unless you want to count the Earth and Moon as "discovered" planets.
The Greeks had not only decided the world was round long before the Dark Ages (to which you refer), but had given an estimate of the diameter. That mathematicians in India came to the same conclusion doesn't require Karma or any reference to any mystical "Truth".
In fact, in a lot of cases, Scientific progress requires letting go of established "Truth" – which is often based solely on philosophy and religion. As soon as you're invoking Karma or any other sort of metaphysics, you're not doing Science any more.
Mark, I meant long and arduous research. The initial subjective history may often be "just for kids". I believe there's a good high school text out there called "Men and Nations" later called "People and Nations" for gender equality. Some of the stuff I say is taught in high schools across the world. Besides there are more than one sources, it's only your own good judgement that'll have to suffice. Indian civilisation is the single oldest in the world, which is not to say that on eshould limit ones research to that. The Greeks may very well have stumbled upon the same universal truths. Contrary to popular belief, internet too is a research tool if you know how to use it effectively and contrast/compare various sources, correlate and like I said before "use your own better judgement".
I still don't get your point – or see citations. What do you have to support the supposition that "souls that do bad Karma go to planets such as this"? You are making several assumptions unsupported by anything besides a particular set of religious beliefs: The existence of souls, the existence of Karma, the "reality" of reincarnation. None of those are supported by anything outside religious and philosophical belief systems. And, while India's culture is certainly old, there are a number of prehistoric cultures that archaeologically predate it, not that the relative age of a culture has any bearing on whether its beliefs are technically sound. Modern India has some technically brilliant people who've made some fantastic contributions to the sciences, but the path forward lies there, not in India's (or any other culture's) distant past.
You're making specific claims so the burden of proof is on you, not us. If someone asked you for directions and you say 'yes I know where that is' then tell the person to get a map, you're being a d..k, instead of being helpful. Do you see how that compares to what you're doing?
Katherine, that's not entirely correct. I'm my own source. I make assertions, yes. It's like giving directions to a guy who's lost. I need only say what I claim is a way, there maybe others. If folk don't believe something, it's their loss. Therefore I say find a map, find your own way. If later you come to a similar conclusion, then all I can say is: all's well that ends well. Until then, everybody needs to do their own homework, and never trust anything on face value nsomething that's important to you. Always do your own research. Good luck.
If you all havn't already given up, and resorted to self hypnotic church jazz, here's a link: http://www.crystalinks.com/indiastronomy.html where it mentions about original findings. Like I said there may be more sources, and in fact the textbook I mentioned "Men and Nations" has a chapter on the Indus civilisation where the original findings such as planets of the solar system are attributed to the same. There's a lot to be found in a library not already on internet. Good things come to those who wait. No need to dig to deep in the past eh, Mike? Jesus seems like ancient past.
Fine let's see re-incarnation from a scientific viewpoint, not that it should matter, for science and spirituality are NOT mutually exclusive. Somehow each point to the other at an esoteric level. Anyway, karma is nothing but the action-reaction laws we see in physics, taken to a higher level. Re-incarnation is the result of those actions, depending on the nature thereof. There's difference between a dead and a living body, hence the evidence of soul. A newborn has a distinctly different consciousness than his mother/father, clear evidence it's not a machine, but a machine with a soul. Not all are born in same circumstances, hence evidence of an original action, be it a "good" or "bad" one leading to the current re-action or rather re-incarnation, a process that involves various forms of science besides biology, psychology, astronomy or others. There's more than we know.
Actually, the ancient Greeks discovered that the Earth was round well before the birth of Christ. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Eratosthenes.27_measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference
Secondly, this was known by educated people throughout ancient times and the Middle Ages. You may be confusing the Church's persecution of Galileo for pushing the heliocentric view vs. the geocentric view. However, both of these views involve a spherical Earth. The idea that people (especially educated people) thought the Earth was flat in the Middle Ages is largely a popular fiction. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
If you believe everything wikipedia says, you need help
Yajnavalkya (c. 9th–8th century BC) recognized that the Earth was round and believed that the Sun was "the centre of the spheres" as described in the Vedas at the time. His astronomical text Shatapatha Brahmana (188.8.131.52) stated: "The sun strings these worlds – the earth, the planets, the atmosphere – to himself on a thread." He recognized that the Sun was much larger than the Earth, which would have influenced this early heliocentric concept. He also accurately measured the relative distances of the Sun and the Moon from the Earth as 108 times the diameters of these heavenly bodies, almost close to the modern measurements of 107.6 for the Sun and 110.6 for the Moon.
The internet is a digital library. However let's not forget the traditional libraries contain a wealth of info as well, but internet and wonderful sources like Wikipedia give us the tools to research quickly, and perhaps back it up via textbooks. But then in the end even textbooks can be subjective, so always use multiple/redundant sources for study and use your own judgement.
SATAN IS NOT AN IMAGINARY BEING, AND HELL IS ETERNAL SEPERATION FROM GOD! GET IT STRAIGHT PEOPLE!!!
@Mike B: get it straight; you have no evidence whatsoever that Satan is real or that hell is real. This site is devoted to science; science is focused on truths (objective reality). Science is a knowledge system. Religion is a belief system. We have as much proof of Satan and hell as we do of fairies and unicorns. Not saying your religious beliefs are wrong (as we have no evidence to prove or disprove them), just that they're not based on any objective evidence. Like fairies and unicorns. Or talking snakes. The same book that says Satan is real also says that a talking snake once tricked a human into eating a piece of forbidden fruit, and all snakes now crawl on their bellies because of that one talking snake's misdeed. Science reveals planets hidden hundreds of light years away from Earth, but has never yet found a single talking snake.
Hi. U know, science is knowledge, knowledge is discovery and discovery is ever increasing and ever changing. In short, science is ever changing. More and more, science has agreed with the bible over the centuries. What if there is truly a God and our poor knowledge of Him is the result of our insufficiently evolved science? Many things like the cell phone and aircraft as predicted where stiffly resisted by the scientists of that day but now, you and I are able to communicate and travel through them. What if this whole concept of God is true but we just don't have enough knowledge yet to understand it? Science in its present but morphing state proves God but it takes more than proof to beleive this. Faith
What does your response have to do with the article?
Hell is not eternal, maybe extremely long and chronic though. Seperation from God is impossible, how else would he be Omnipresent? Satan is but a justice administrator running hell pretty much like a jail. Don't be misled by half truths of religious establishments that have an agenda of their own. These religious establishments like church. mosque, temple are the very frauds & deceivers that Jesus and other genuine Messiahs/Gurus/Prophets before and after Jesus also warned us of. Yes there were other genuine messiahs besides Jesus, but the Church didn't want to lose their monopoly and projected Jesus as the only one..a very self-serving intentional misinterpretation. The frauds were the priests, clergy, monks, etc.
Go microwave your coffe and youtube the video "science saved my soul" best 15 minutes you could spend on a beautiful friday afternoon.
Just watched the video and you're right. Best 15 minutes. Awesome video thanks.
I love how people read any scientific article and then start bitching about the overwhelming budget being otherwise used to "solve problems here". This statement is full of stupidity. One, there are always going to be "problems here". Is there a point in the course of human history where this is not the case? Second, a considerable amount of technology that you use every day came about via discoveries that were made due to the space program. You forget (or are simply ignorant of) the fact that almost every great invention came about by accident while doing research on something else. Without R&D programs we might as well go back and live in the jungle. Third, you act like you are some massively indebted stakeholder who is going to go bankrupt due to NASA stripping you of your personal wealth. So - do the rest of us a favor and go back to waching Nascar.
@chris ; you were doing very well ,until you trashed nascar . But I guess racing is not for everybody . Still , a very good post .
Whoa Chris. You had me up until the NASCAR comment. Now I think you are being a little arrogant. I hope you are not insinuating anything aboutracing fans here. That would be unwise... You know what!? I'm not sure I'm entirely in love with your tone!
Dont be offended by the nascar comment that was only directed at hillbillies in the south that watch nascar....hahaha
hehehehe,,, i liked your status, you are 100 percent right
We now know where the (2) hypersonic glider glided too........
LOL! I hear that! That lil bastard took off like a bat out of hell!
Ya, and what did it take, a whole 11 min before DARPA realize it wasn't there anymore , and look what they found looking for the first one......The darkest world known to man.....lol
I think we are looking into Palins brain.. truly a black hole...
I must agree with you my friend.
Darkest world known to man = Detroit
haha, good one
Great Scott! You blokes have found bloody Hell!
Whats a great God we have. We give him all d glory for giving man these vast knowledge of discoveries.
Why would you give credit to an imaginary being and not to the hardworking folks responsible for not only the discovery, but all the hardworking folks behind the technology that allowed for such a discovery? It's just insulting. Please stay off of the science articles with your misguided ramblings.
AMEN.. I mean.. uh.. YEAH!
You don't have any way to prove that God is a made up being because you haven't used any common knowledge to read the bible and understand anything.
What great scientists and engineers we have! We give them great praise for expanding the pool of human knowledge!
We can't give God glory, since, by definition God would be infinitely glorious, so could not be further glorified. Human beings deserve the credit or blame for every human endeavor. The Kepler probe is not a miracle. It's a product of the ingenuity of well-educated humans who understand that knowledge doesn't just fall into our hands like manna from heaven, but must be pursued. Bravo to the Kepler team!
Couldn't have said it better. Thanks for cutting through the swath of all the nutcase comments. Unfortunately we constitute the exception and not the rule. I love the line "..could not be further glorified.." LOL!
God doesnt agree with science lol dumbass.
telepathic entity doesnt agree with.. reality? truth.
Religion...what is used by humans to try and understand things beyond them...like is planet. For once can we just say we arnt sure yet instead of blabing about how a/your god made this.
p.s. World peace is a world without random ideas called relgion. Saying you are for world peace and that you are religious is an oximoron.
LOL...world peace if religion didn't exist...as if that would prevent all the nuts in the world from ever trying to start crap. Best thing I've heard all day...thanks.
I don't think God had a lot to do with this discovery. This was a purely technical achievement made by some very smart people, working with some very impressive technology. Give credit where it's due: to the scientists involved.
if we're giving credit to scientists, then why are we just now finding out about a planet that has existing billions of years before, just as everything else is created..... explain please.
Sounds like a burnt out sun to me.
It's got the mass of Jupiter. Too little mass to be a burnt out sun. Wrong chemistry for a burnt out sun, too.
Maybe instead of water this planet's seas are filled with crude oil
Finally true energy independence. Send the tankers boys!!!!!!!!!
Let's name it "Planet Cheney" - it's certainly as dark as what's creeping around in that guy's soul!
I feel the name "Kuro" would be highly appropriate for the planet, as it's Japanese for black.
Nah........"Planet Cheney" will do just fine.....
Dick Cheney eats kittens
some one should spend money and get the people on this blog to read and write and use proper grammer, who cares abou the dark planet, what about the dark state of our economy and how congress is whiping out our constitutional rights and how the destruction of a once great nation is happening right in front of our noses
Time for the next American Revolution, right?
How did this conversation turn to religion. The planet and the discovery of such is a great find. We need to explore space for other earth like planets so when we are done buring up all the natural resources (at a rate that the planet can't replenish) we will need another planet to exploit. All crispy Christians are amazing because the ones I have met dont' even respect one of the greatest gifts from God, Our Own Planet!
GRAMMAR. IT IS SPELLED GRAMMAR. GOOD GOD.
Me fail English? That's unpossible!
This article is about science, not the economy. Science leads to innovations and breakthroughs that increase efficiency and our living conditions.
Also, you should learn to use the proper GRAMMAR that you speak of.
@BRANDON – "Science leads to innovations and breakthroughs that increase efficiency and our living conditions"
how does finding a planet 750 light years away, help to improve earths living conditions? you planning on creating and hiring for jobs there? gimme a break, this piece of news is just as ephemeral as the quality of jobs we have in the US.
@ get a life- moron- he said Science improves living conditions not finding a planet. How did you type your stupid comment? On a computer? nuff said...
How do you know that it doesn't? When Alexander Fleming was studying staphylococci bacteria, doing pure science, nobody expected him to revolutionize medicine overnight with the discovery of penicillin. Or when the likes of Heisenberg and Max Planck developed the field of Quantum Mechanics, probably very few expected them to be laying the mathematical foundation for much of modern technology. Today, Quantum Mechanics finds applications in electronics (transistors, lasers), chemistry (quantum chemistry), and has helped given insight into a variety of biological systems (e.g. proton pumps in cells). So, when you say that something in research is useless, all you are really doing is gleefully saying that you have little knowledge of history and science, and that you like to spout bullshit at the drop of a hat. Get a !@#^$ education before you open your gob.
Yeah, Mr. White! Yeah, Science!
It's kind of funny how his argument kind of proved his point by how poorly written it was.
And very irrelevant.
Who cares about the ritch one percent of our country and their government employed puppets. Americans should become more self sufficient, astronomy will bring some of the greatest human achievements in history.
I think a lesson in spelling and punctuation would be appropriate as well. Specifically for you, Ronnie. lol
How about following your own advice? Invoke a spell-checker when you post off-topic comments like this. Who cares what you write, anyway?
Have a nice day!
Please name one constitutional right that has been wiped out- besides the 4th due to the patriot act.
How about you stop trolling every page on CNN and go back to smoking meth in your trailer. Oh and STFU while you are at it.
You would have maintained your credibility if you bothered to use capitals and punctuation or understood a run on sentence. How does your rambling disertation relate to the scientific discovery that you are supposed to be commenting about ? You are dimissed.
@ronnie j: if you think the US is not great, there are plenty of other nations where you might be happier. The Kepler probe is just one example of why the US is (and always will be) a great nation.
Hey, jackass... It would help if you spelled the word GRAMMAR correctly when whining about people not using proper GRAMMAR!!!
Does this Planet have whures, or agua.
The universe is beautiful from distance but so unfriendly to our kind of living organisms. How precious our planet Terra is – a specific gift from God. I wonder if there was air in the outer space before the Fall occured.
Huh? "Air in space"?? "Before the Fall" ?? Bone up on your science, girl. The simple fact that we have an atmosphere (what you call "air") at all is due to two things: (1) a planetary mass (gravity well) that is keeping all of that precious air from zipping off into the void; (2) a magnetic field produced by the spinning molten core that prevents the solar wind from blowing all of that precious air off into the void. For evidence of (1), see Vesta; for evidence of (2), see Mars. And for the record, the Earth has roughly 4.2 BILLION years of evolution going for it, with a clearly definied geological and fossil record ... there's not "gift" involved ... and we're not alone, not by a long shot ...
The mind boggles. . .
I moan at you.... wait for it....
Michael, I know. I just wondered what if it's breathable and if it's not too cold out there in the open space of the universe. That's all. We are living in a conditioned, structured physical world created by God, but anything of our world could have been different than it is now, you know. Flying to the moon like a kite and sleeping amidst the starry sea. The dream knows no end.
This is one of the brightest news in America for months.
Does it mean if I don't kie the planet I am a racist?
It may be a black hole...
Time is on my side..yes it is...
It's not a blackhole. We can detect those too. Blackholes spew out gamma rays and bend space around them so they distort the light coming from behind them. They're easy for scientist to tell apart...why do I feel this is going to go over your head?
Mostly ignorant comments.
Grammar Fail = Post Fail
FYI, the government doesn't pay the salaries of all the astronomers in the country. There are many independent and private astronomy companies, universities, and others that are actively searching for planets.
In that picture it doesn't look very dark. What a bad artist. Give a monkey a black marker and let him draw it.
Sounds like the perfect planet to call "Darth Vader".
Looking at Bad Grammar makes my eyes rain.
LOL! OMG! I almost choked on my M&M with that one...
What about Nibiru and Nemesis, if they can find 750 light year awau of darkest world why not nibiru and the like which may be closer to us!!!
Um... because they aren't real?
They wouldn't tell us until we could see it ourselves. And they will call it other things... Tyche, Planet X, Nemesis, ect. They are not going to say planet Nebiru is returning or that the same planet that the ancient Sumerians claimed crashed into a planet that used to be in the asteroid belt is returning and this planet may be on a collision course with earth. We just thought you should know."
The problem is that even if these planets exist we cannot detect them with the same methods use to find the exo-solar planets. The planets are found when the cross the face of the star they orbit which produces a minor change in the amount of light we see. This lets us know that something is there. Some other methods involve looking for a faint 'wiggle' in the path of the star as an orbiting planet exerts its gravitational pull on the star. Now, with something like Nemesis we can't use that technique because we can't see Nemesis transiting across the face of our own Sun. It's also too small and distant for us to detect a specific gravitational anomaly. We can infer it slightly but not enough to give us a specific orbital path – without that all we can do is randomly scan the sky and hopefully catch it. So far we haven't and it's unlikely that we will anytime soon. In a nutshell – the techniques used to find this planet don't work to find something like Nemesis. It is actually two different problems so you'd need to use different methods to solve them.
Even if these planets exist (and it seems unlikely they do), the method used to detect this particular planet is to wait for it to pass in front of the sun (relative to us) that it is orbiting around.
Ya. I've got an iPhone 4 app for that... One that helps me find hidden planets....
If we can see that far, why not peep into a window of Gods house???
"praise da Lawd"!!!!
Very cool stuff. I look forward to more discoveries like this from Kepler. It is unimaginable what we could find.
Bas economy and they r spending money on finding out million of million way planets that s burning in flames?wonder why we r in debit ...wake up government of USA
Education needs more money US government. See this post for evidence.
I could not agree with you more. I try to avoid reading comments specifically so I don't get more depressed on the state of education in this country. I'm surprised people that spell that way even know how to read these articles.
Would you rather these discoveries were made by China? India? Brazil? I am all for the U.S. being at the head of the advancement of human knowledge.
Yeah, that 1% of the U.S. budget that funds NASA could really help elsewhere!!
It's not even 1%.
Agreed, and it's more like 0.4% of the federal budget, but because they build big rockets and do grand things everyone has a perception they spend lots of money. NASA isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to social security and medicare.
Then 22% for pork earmarks and 33% for luxury entitlements they vote for themselves like 100% heath care, endless sick days, and a right swanky retirement package, and another 20% to welfare fraud, then they want to snip snip on military Retirement cuts? cut your "entitlements" first, then pork, then spending to foreign aid, when you cut start with you. Funding for Science and schools and Nasa should be a PRIORITY. Congress...Get your priority's straight ... oh never mind, your all fired, go home, we will elect new people and fire them if they screw up too.
PS great job on the find
PSS put down the phone and drive the speed limit you a$$hats
This poster is proof that "No child left behind" is an utter failure. Just as every decision Bush made were failures. But Niel Bush is cleaning up on NCLB, just as he did with Silverado S&L...
At first I thought we found hell.. He added, but then I realized it was just somalia
Hell is where the "Einstien poster" lives. Some rat infested redneck s*thole redneck klan town that is overrun with meth and Oxy addicts!
North Korea is as dark, but the light of Christ shines everywhere, even in Somalia and in North Korea, even though villains try to kill them all. The Gospel cannot be hidden as darkness cannot cover the light. John chapter 1 talks about the Origin of the universe.
This is an article about scientific discovery, not theism. The Belief Blog is where you want to post your hoo-doo voo-doo sky daddy garbage, 'kay?
You have so little knowledge about universe but you have a good knowledge about gospel. Gospel is religion. Astronomy is science. Can you understand the difference ? You are mixing two different subjects. The final result is nothing but confusion of yourself.
I moan. come on really. thank king James, he wrote it edited what he wanted out of it and there you go. what is u moron backwards... noromu.. ahh the clueless thumpers, will you ever just believe what you see when you see it and stop believing what you are told or read in the bible. It was written by man. Man is flawed. in two thousand years Scientology might be the predominate religion. Had your thetan level checked lately? lol
God is science, God made science.