16 'super-Earths' found outside solar system
It's not like aliens put up a welcome banner or anything, but scientists now have newly identified at least one planet that could potentially sustain life.
The European Southern Observatory has just announced the discovery of more than 50 new exoplanets (planets outside our solar system), including 16 super-Earths (planets whose mass is between one and 10 times that of our own planet).
One of these planets in particular could theoretically be home to life if conditions are right. It's called HD 85512 b, and scientists say it's about 3.6 times the mass of the Earth. This planet is about 35 light years from Earth. Its location with respect to its star suggests that this planet could have liquid water under certain circumstances.
Don't get too excited, though; there's a lot more work to be done to explore whether this planet is truly fit for life, in addition to whether there are alien life forms there.
The discovery comes from High Accuracy Radial Velocity Planet Searcher, or HARPS. HARPS is located at the La Silla Observatory in Chile, and is part of a telescope that's nearly 12 feet long.
Here's how it works, according to ESO: When a planet orbits a star, the star move toward and away from the person who's stargazing on Earth in a regular fashion. That's called a change in radial velocity. Because of the Doppler effect, changes in radial velocity make the star's light spectrum move toward longer wavelengths when it's moving away, and toward shorter wavelengths as it gets closer. HARPS can detect this shift in the spectrum, and infer that there is a planet present.
So far, scientists have confirmed the existence of 564 planets outside of our solar system, according to NASA's PlanetQuest website, not counting this latest batch of more than 50. Beyond that, NASA's Kepler mission has found more than 1,200 exoplanet candidates.
"In the coming 10 to 20 years we should have the first list of potentially habitable planets in the Sun's neighbourhood. Making such a list is essential before future experiments can search for possible spectroscopic signatures of life in the exoplanet atmospheres," said Michel Mayor, who led the HARPS team, in a statement.
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What does it take to be intellegent life form?
In A New Earth, spiritual teacher and author Eckhart Tolle (The Power of Now) advocates present moment awareness and the dismantling of the ego as the path towards awakened living. A New Earth gets its title from a Bible verse referring to the rising of "a new heaven and a new earth." According to Tolle, "heaven" is the awakened state that will bring about "a new earth".
This book will make you an intellegent life form. It will open your mind to the transporter, black hole input and white hole output. The Universe is a machine and only through understanding, working within the machine, is deep space transport possible. The nature of symmetry is the truth mathematically and spiritually. For example as there becomes less resources there becomes more insanity (War). Image unlimited resources access to the heavens...
As long as you are not republican, you are intelligent.
Only a dim Dem would think that.
theres a ton of people that r republican and democrats that doesnt mean anything. this is an awesome discovery by the way
oooooohmmmmm oooohhhmmmm The one is all, and the all is one. Be one with the all. Do not be all with the one.
Uh, hey, where did my aluminum foil for my hat go?
oop...I borrowed it but I'll get it right back to you...
... and don't bogart the one. (it's 420 somewhere...) 😉
Dear Clarence:
"The nature of symmetry is the truth mathematically and spiritually."
This is a article about science, please take your pseudo science somewhere else.
Shhhhh. Quiet. He's meditating on the all, or is it the one? I keep getting those confused.
The scientific method cannot be used to prove everything. You cannot prove that hope exists, yet everyone has an understanding of what hope is and does, in all cultures across the world. There are many examples of this problem. We need to open our minds to ideas that we cannot prove or we lose part of what it means to be human. This is not about any bashing of science, and I belong to no religion. This was the argument made by Heisenberg, the physicist who is considered the father of the uncertainty principle.
Re: Metoo
"You cannot prove that hope exists"
I disagree, I would submit that hope is an exceptionally easy thing to prove as being "in existence" via the scientific method. To start, your hypothesis, that hope exists would need a framework for success and failure. Starting with the simple phrasing of your words, we are setting out to prove that hope exists, meaning we only need to provide a singular instance of hope existing to prove that it does in fact exist. To fail, we would have to prove that in all cases hope does not exist.
Already we have a pretty easy system to prove. Now, add to the fact that "hope" or at least the idea of hope is a human description of an emotion. Although this makes the subject matter, well, subjective. What it also does is allow for a very broad definition of the state of hope itself. Specifically, that anyone who is feeling hopeful would be proof of hope, even if you disagreed with that persons version of hope. It is so subjective that even if you had a singular example of someone saying they were hopeful you would be hard pressed to realistically disprove that they had hope.
So I'm going to put this out there, I am hopeful that you stop telling people who love science that there are limits to our ability to reason, to test, to understand. That we have to Just hope our way through life. It is true that there is plenty to be said for being hopeful, for enjoying life as it is, but I disagree with your assumption that there are things that we cannot and should not try to explain, as that model of thinking brings us no new insight into our actual human condition as it is a retreat into dis-honesty and laziness.
furthermore "We need to open our minds to ideas that we cannot prove" I find to be offensive and insulting. This is like saying we should allow ideas with no relevance, no evidence, or practicality rule our thinking. I'm just as much as the next guy for a fantasy novel, the idea of Magic is fun to read about. But I am not going to build my shed, or my relationships with other people believing magical pixie dust is going to have any effect on my interactions.
Glorifundel: 1
Metoo: 0
With your permission, I humbly ask to steal this example for future use.
Absolutely brilliant.
Peace.
Glori butchered the scientific method. You can't just say "because I believe this, it's true," you have to show WHY. It has to be measureable, for instance, if you want to prove hope, you start with your hypothesis: Hope exists. If hope is real as the hypothesis would suggest, what exactly is it? How do you quantify that? you can't. hope is an idea, it's not measurable. Two people can see the exact same situation and one can have a hopeful view and the other might not. For one person, it's real and the other, it isn't, who's to say who is right? And who's to say you're not just lying about being hopeful? Only you can know that.
Next, you have to TEST the hypothesis: If hope exists, then X is true (if X is untrue, then hope does not exist the way we originally hypothesized). What on earth (that you can physically measure) happens in EVERY instance of hope?? This is where the debate turns from science to philosyphy. You can't measure hope.
Next, you have to control for variables: what effects hope? Different situations/environments/people/experiences, all are things that can effect hope, but none are physically measurable. That leads back the the last point, that hope is not measurable because it doesn't physically exist.
Now comes analysis: What did we learn from the experiment? We learned that hope is not something you can measure, it is a feeling or an idea, it does not exist on this plane of reality, it is something that some of us believe in and some of us don't. So, in the context of this experiment, HOPE DOES NOT EXIST. You can't see it, touch it, smell it or anything else. It is an emotional response based on many different factors, you can't give it to anyone or receive it from anyone, it only matters if YOU BELIEVE IN IT.
Now that we have shown that hope does not exist, it's time to change the hypothesis based on what we have learned and start over. Example: Hope does not exist, but people obviously feel something, so then what?? With each successive experiment and new hypothesis, our knowledge grows and changes. That's the scientific method, it's not just "I feel it and believe it, so you're wrong and I'm right." That attitude is just plain ignorant.
I agree with Metoo!
There are many cases in which people have thought up things that weren't proven at the time, ending up becoming a reality, later on in time. Many ideas which were once considered science fiction, are now becoming science fact!
I don't have the facts to prove anything I say, but I can give you an example. The bible does talk about a new heaven and a new earth and now Scientist are starting to discover new planets that could possibly sustain human life. Perhaps', one day soon, one of these planets could be a new home, for a new form of life. Either as we know it, in the Human form, or perhaps a different type of existence, we are not aware of yet! These planets, mankind is starting to discover, use to be thought of as impossible, by man, yet they do exist. They could be still be in their early stages of preparation, to be one day suitable for populating a race of species. Human or something else, only God, knows the true answer to this, but i'm sure scientist's have some idea's as to this, as well!
maybe only false hope exists given to humans who are really living on a prizon planet .we are being grow possible and not for food but for the perpetual energy of our souls at death.and that being said maybe the light at the end of the tunnel at the time of death that almost every human learns about at one time or another is really a magnet for trapping dead souls .so i say this .do not go to the light .for it like this world is false hope.
Let me guess - you work at Starbucks and your feet smell
Yeah . . . another example of someone taking a single verse from the Bible, twisting it until it snaps, then modelling a whole new religion off of it. It always makes me miserable to see that.
If you're going to follow some of the Bible, why not all of it?
@Xeno – Because if someone followed all of the bible, they couldn't just follow some of it. DUH!!!
Why is it repubs can't spell?
Does this mean Superman, or at least the Hulk, exists? Such large planets mean stronger gravity. When the alien next door visits, he'll "run faster and jump higher," to quote an old Ked's sneaker commercial.
Why? Don't you notice there is a huge array of sizes of all forms of life on Earth?
especially dogs..
if they do run faster or jump higher, give them a signing bonus!
Maybe they can play for the Cowboys and show Romo how it should be done.
I don't think it will be a problem. An alien from a world that size would likely be a very short brawny thing that could not handle our atmospheric pressure. In any event such a planet, even if it had life of its own, would not be hospitable to us. We could not withstand the gravity and air pressure.
Kryptonians are not strong/faster/etc on their home planet. They are human-like (physically).
One of these planets in particular could theoretically be home to life if conditions are right. It's called HD 85512 b, and scientists say it's about 3.6 times the mass of the Earth. I would weigh about 800 lbs on this planet, so conditions would be wrong for life, being in a gravity other than the one evoloved in will be highly unlikely.
This is all well and dandy, but as a creationist, I have to remind people that we could look at a planet on one day and find no life at all...and seven days later discover it's fully inhabited with humans, starfish and pirates. Do we have to keep checking each planet over an over again? That would cost a lot of money.
You're not very bright, are you, johann? Of course that was a given seeing as you label yourself a "creationist".
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You're not very bright, are you jimmymax?
ok, that was funny.
What if we take a picture on like day 2.75, you know, during "creation". Think he/she/it/they would be like.. "Ahh crap!! Umm, i'm gonna need that image."?
Hopefully that'll never happen and they'll have some kind of "planet under construction" sign....
Heretic.
Jo, please...
Eastern religions are completely different than western religions (except for Hinduism which is polythiestic), Eastern religions like Taoism and Buddhism do not have gods and are not as intolerant as Christianity or Catholisism. They are more accepting of the universe and how it works.
There you go with all the isms
Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people.
Nothing like making a point by quoting Ferris Bueller quoting John Lennon.
LOL
The Lulz... I did it for them.
Aside from your comment not being very interesting; what did you think about the article?
Ah now, there you go confusing the issue with the facts.
Actually, henodeist is a better term for Hindu religions. Also considered henodeist are Jews and Mormons.
Ahm, Buddism and Toaism have had their share of bloody religious wars too....
Western religions died out long ago. Christianity (which includes Catholicism btw) is of Middle Eastern decent. All Abrahamic religions are. Western religion spans from the Hellenistic to Druidism. The Middle Eastern religions where adopted in later and made main stream by the Romans as they did Hellenism before that.
We'll figure it all out eventually... maybe not in the next hundred, a thousand or even a hundred thousand years. But IF we survive ourselves, we'll master this universe and everything, eventually. 42.
Good luck with that, I and everyone I know will already be dead, so I don't really care too much about what happens after that.
In the interim, we'll always have our digital watches.
Great, you know whats gonna happen if they find alien life? We can't even accept differing opinion and way of life within our species. Discovering extraterrestrial life would probably be like Christopher Columbus discovering their new land was inhabited with natives. We would wipe them out then steal their land and resources to further our own gain, which would lead to further wars on other planets when we exhausted all of their resources. Please no I do not fancy finding extraterrestrial life, it is just a way of drawing attention away from the issues we face every day on the planet we are slowly destroying. You can forget about the technology being there for your grand kids kids to go to another planet, it wont be. We will be too broke to develop it, and living within a planet oozing with radioactive waste and oil pollution. Quit spending trillions of dollars trying to find ET and put the money to work cleaning up this miserable mess of a planet for our kids sake!
Unless we're the natives in canoes and they're Columbus...
You're making some pretty big assumptions there. In that situation, we might not be him..... heck, we might not even be the natives. We might be the animals whose fur the trappers wanted.
No need to worry. If we were to discover life right next door (Alpha Proxima, 4.5 Light Years distant) the fastest craft mankind has ever made (Mach 12.5) would take 78,000 years to reach it, and that's not even counting the return trip.
...so put aside your histrionics.
You're missing the point. If life is discovered in planet far far away, the intention is not physical contact, but rather - communication. If we can see IT, then they can see US and so there's a possibility of some form of contact.
No problem. They would watch a bit of our TV, think that we are incredibly ruthless and violent, and stay as far away from us as they can.
"If we can see IT, then they can see US and so there's a possibility of some form of contact."
assuming the life on that planet is intelligent enough to realize that communication is being attempted. This probably happened thousands of years ago to humans, but instead of thinking critically, they attributed this contact to god and not other intelligent species.
Not to mention fuel stops and potty breaks.
Mach 12.5 would be the fastest AIRcraft, not the fastest SPACEcraft.
Especially since Mach numbers have no relevance in space (there is no sound, thus no speed of sound, in space).
Even if it was possible to have any interaction with an alien species it is highly unlikely that we could. Our different immunities would make it impossible for such contact.
If extraterrestrials are discovered, you can bet you life savings that the US will send the troops there. Shoot first, ask questions later, right? Not to mention the recession that would follow from the amount of $ that would be spent building massive spaceships to carry ammo and soldiers into space....whoa.
You would bet your life savings on something that is physically impossible?
I have a lovely plot of land on Coruscant that you may be interested in...
It's called tongue in cheek. Lighten up.
No jack, it’s called stupidity. But hey if you are not interested in AgentJ’s Coruscant ghetto. I have some real nice farm land on Tatooine. Just right for raising a family away from the hustle and bustle of Imperial life.
Now I know the next place to destroy with my FULLY ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station. FIRE AT WILL, COMMANDER!
no. it won't be like christopher columbus. apparently you do not understand what 35 light years away means.
I am a Christian as well, and I sympathise with at least one of those views: God is real.
But why should we assume that there is no life on other planets? How do we know God chose to make us the sole inhabitants of this universe? I think, although I do not know and I may never know, that there is intelligent life somewhere out there. Otherwise this universe would be a very lonely place, and I doubt that an infinitely wise and creative God would settle for just one planet.
By the way, I apologize for the people here berating you. It always amuses me (and dismays me) to see people shrieking mindlessly like this. "You're so idiotic, blah blah . . ." and they never bother to explain why you are idiotic besides saying that smarter people than them have done the research. Or maybe they will take a small thing like the rapture prediction and blow it up to all the Christians. "Every single Christian is an idiot because every single Christian believed that the rapture would happen on May 21st." False.
There is strictly nothing of our business out there. What the world refuses to consider and admit, is that God IS, is greatest, infinite and full of love. Look at the endlessness of this intricate, magnificent, blessed universe. Pause and say "thank You God our King, thank You for all things, please forgive us for our sins, we deserve none of Your generosity, none of this beauty." Repent everyone, be remorseful, leave your sinful ways and come to God. It's the ONLY place where it's at.
thats nice dear.
and moving on........
seriously,,,just don't make eye contact...and keep walking!!
Oh my, you must absolutely suck at life.
Why is it un-Christian to believe that there may be life on another planet? Explain please.
Power hungry people lose power when they are wrong and nobody likes being wrong. lul
EXACTLY!!!! Thank you. Why do God lovers out there feel soooooo opposed to think that maybe life is out there? I just don't flippin get it.
Why did he/she/it whatever you've created in your mind create a universe that is so expansive and fill it with countless objects and decide.....well that was fun, but I'll only put life on one of them.
I thought religion was this all-accepting, everyone is lovely and God's creatures, yada yada, yet you are the most close minded when it comes to a topic like this.
The reason behind is logic or at as best I understand it myself is this...
Jesus died for OUR SINS. And according to the bible all life sins. Everything. And for aliens to exist then jesus would to have died for OUR sins and there's etc. But he didnt he died for our sins and ours alone. There is no mention in the bible of life elsewhere or him sacrifiicing himself for other planets or species nor does it say he created life outside of man, and that man was on diff planets. If you believe in the bible then theoretically it cannot exist for there to be life elsewhere. And if you don believe in religion than its completely possible. Hope this helped you
Spencer – I see where you are going. I don't believe it one bit, but I'm not religious and that's the point of a discussion like this.
I guess my question is in your world: what are the other planets? Who made them? Why are they here? What are they for? I thought God created EVERYTHING with his good ole big bang, but his ruling jurisdiction is only here? What is he, the "mall cop" of the Universe?
read the post from "All you need" for the answer to this question. Thank you!
I have no idea, Jacks. I am a firm believer in God and Christ as Saviour, yet I also accept that there is life on other planets, that religion and evolution CAN co-exist and even strengthen the argument for each, and, no, I don't believe man walked alongside dinosaurs. I wish that more people of faith would stop and examine what it is they believe, and how it relates to the world around them, instead of spouting the same tired diatribe against anything that threatens the status quo.
Thank you Logical Christian.....thank you. You have just restored my faith in the fact that science and religion can be talked about intelligently in the same sentence.
I have no problem with someone believing God or something like God is the driving force behind life. I just don't accept that this driving force doesn't continue to produce smarter and smarter beings through the process of evolution. I also don't accept the fact this is the only combination of factors able to sustain life.
In the thousands of others locations in the entire galaxy is there nowhere else that conditions exist to support life? Of course there must be. Would those conditions and subsequent life forms look exactly like ours? Could we survive there? Maybe. Maybe not even close. But why does life on earth become the only possible life there is? Every year we discover new species here on this planet that we have never come across. Many of whom live is some of the harshest conditions on Planet Earth. If we haven't fully understood our own planet, it seems to be a bit rash to fully close the book on the rest of the Universe.
Because it challenges the notion that humankind is the center of the universe...instead of just a cosmic blip in time and space.
Spencer, a LOT of things aren't spoken about in the Bible. That doesn't mean they don't exist. The Bible is a book of Faith and Philosophy, not an Encyclopedia of all possible knowledge.
What you can't accept, Victoria, is that discovery of extraterrestrial life will completely blow your narrow-minded, Earth-centric religion out of the water. This scares you, so you just post more mindless drivel from your little book.
I'll only come to God by talking to him and having a lively discussion. What if he is on another planet? Are you going to say we shouldn't go there? Why are you standing in the way of saving my soul?
blink..blink..blink.. I wonder why you are reading this. oh and the earth is not flat by the way and humans and dinosaurs did not co-exist
hmmm....thought we were talking about the possibility of life on other planets here....And there's no need to worry Victoria, I'm sure if we find life on other plans you will be the first person there "spreading the word" and trying to force your beliefs on other people....
Goodness! That's quite an imagination you have Victoria!
Oh...and yeah, one more thing, no one cares.
oh yes, i almost forgot that the world only started a couple of thousand years a ago....with our good ol buddies Adam and Eve! That Apple also was so mouth watering, wish i could have a bte of that!
Great. The Earth is also flat, the universe rotates around the Earth, and the Easter bunny lives down the street. Perhaps if you right wing nuts would spend more time caring for people in this life, you wouldn't be so concerned about the after life (where the Easter bunny really lives).
Dude, everyone knows the Earth is shaped like a burrito.
If God did make life on other planets, I hope he made them tastey.
and they will all taste like chicken!
Well... Actually... White Castle is where it's at. mmm. White Castle. God shmod.
There is "nothing" for us out there? Ugh. Since the rapture didn't happen, I guess we will have to listen to more of this moving forward.
@Vitoria you fell short of sounding like a christian, you forgot to condem the gays and advocate killing the criminals in the name of Gods love and forgivenss.
hahahahahaha
Can't tell if trolling or just a fundie...
Victoria,
I'm surprised you have internet...
If you 'love your neighbour as yourself'.... do not talk like that.
as white as a crackhead.
Scientists picked up radio signals from a planet late last year. After 9 months of deconstructing the signal they have now figured out the meaning. Its reruns of 2 1/2 men.
Yeah the Ashton Kucher episodes oddly enough.
oooooh meta, i like it.
So thats what that was! I thought it was a new western relgion. I wonder if they will give my all my money back that i've been tithing?
Winning!
Oh God, don't let GOP get out there, they'll kill every single planet they set foot on....
Please don't let Democrats find it, they'll find a way to tax it into submission.
I wonder Yeti, do you make over $250k/year. Pay for health insurance 100% out of pocket? Refuse Social Security? Medicare from your paycheck? Not call 911? Would prefer your house to burn down than have the Fire Department save your precious possessions? Disagree with a well funded military, armed forces, a defense department? Believe that your Senators and Congressmen should work for free?
Or are you only interested in you, yourself and nobody else?
Would you prefer slums not far from every neighborhood in America, including yours? With no public safety, welfare reforms, health and job services- THAT KEEP THE DEGENERATE, DRUG ADDICTED, INFESTED POOR AWAY FROM YOUR HOME EVERY NIGHT??
Maybe Haiti or the Sao Paolo slums are nice this time of year?
Actually, the GOP sticks with their fairy tale in the Bible that we are the only creatures God has created in the Universe. Therefore they want to end all programs dealing with the study of space or even science for that matter. They think all the answers to the Universe are in that book.
That’s not a very nice thing to say! The GOP would never kill everything on another planet… well not unless they refused the rocket full of Bibles we sent. Then we would have to bring them freedom and democracy.
*sings*
Lifeforms...
Buh bah bah
You tiny little lifeforms...
buh bah bah
You precious little lifeforms...
Bada bad da dah
Where are you?
Bleep bleep bloop beeeeeeep beep bleep bleep
DATA!!!!! nice.
Great...We going to crash a ship into the first planet we visit/
This is all Anthropic Principle. Go read it.
Excellent point, but considering that there is no proof that we exist to other lifeforms seeking possible refuge, or expansion in the universe...what is our stance? Should we assume that we're greater than other forms and explore, or deem ourselves less than and wait our self-destruction? Interesting, but almost incomprehensible argument on either side.
We shouldn't get too carried away, even if the planet has a decent enough formula for life. There are so many variables that have to be perfect to sustain life, the odds of a habitable planet so close to ours is pretty staggering (though I do believe that there are other habitable ones). The atmosphere has to have the right combination of breathable gases for both humans and plant life. The variable temperatures have to be of certain stable levels. The planet has to be within the "sweet spot" in relation to its star to manage life. The gravitational field has to be just right, so that we don't have to live at 5 times our current "weight" or bounce around like on the moon (which is fun short term but would be disastrous over a lifetime). Water has to have the right elemental makeup without certain natural toxins, and most of all, we'd have to be able to travel there.
I can't imagine in the next 200 years even being able to see a planet like that any time soon. Even if you send a probe at light speed (currently impossible), it would still take 36 years for any information to even get back to us at light speed from the probe. Unless they figure out how to open and manipulate wormholes in the hadron collider soon, then we're stuck in this current cesspool of a planet, with overpopulation and a lack of resources right around the corner. Of course, there are a ton of resources on the moon, Mars and local meteors, but we won't even be tapping those in the next 50 years.
Dude we all got carried away a long time ago. About when Copernicus said the earth is not the center of the universe.
Copernicus was wrong. Philosophy has conclusively proved the Earth is the center of the Universe.
The Oil and Gas Industry, even though in their best interest to leave Earth to find another rock to destroy, will convince all of humanity that leaving Earth is not possible – because that would require something other than oil and gas to propel through space, and we in the Oil and Gas industry KNOW that just isn't possible – and so should you. 😉
You just made a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGG jump there from the first to the second. "Capable of sustaining life" means that life as we know it (carbon-based, uses water, probably lots more stuff I don't know) could exist on the planet. "Habitable" means WE could survive on the planet. HUGE difference. Remember, there's life at the bottom of the ocean near thermal vents on our planet- that environment is capable of sustaining life, but WE could never live there.
That depends on how old the planet is, doesnt it? Even if the odds are very small, the longer you wait the higher they become. Its like dealing poker hands. The odds of a royal flush are very small but if you deal enough hands eventually its almost certain that you will see one. And though the odds of life be smaller still, that does not change the logic.
That is assuming a lifeform is capable of living in a different environment. There is nothing that says all "life" has to be like the life on Earth. I would imagine there is life that is different than that on Earth on other planets.
Think about this though, in little more than 150 years of industrialization, no one (even global warming naysayers) will deny that humanity has changed even slightly, if not drastically, the environmental makeup of our world. Even now, scientists see, theorize and predict ways in which we can physically alter the sustainability and habitability or this world and others (like Mars) in order to improve life. That's all really happened in the just the last 50 years as we've acknowledged what carbon emissions and other toxins have done to our Earth.
Now imagine a society with 10 million years, or even a billion years advancement on ours. Even with 500 more years its very conceivable that advanced species could terraform even the harshest worlds over time and make them match their own habitation needs. The only reason not to would be if they had an advanced form of empathy for non-related species (like humans, mosquitoes, other bloodsucking carnivores) and therefore wouldn't want to destroy our life to improve their own.
Will you bring up an excellent point, but forgot one thing, as Einstein taught us, and that is when you travel near the speed of light, time (for you) slows down and at the SOL it stops completely, so if we did reach the SOL, after we returned home it would be many years later on Earth..... count me out i love my family too much to hurt them like that...
The Bible?! ha ha ha!!! Nothing in the Bible is true... time to open up an educational book and learn something with proof and scientific evidence.
Racist people like you make me sick. Your comments, spoken like a true, un-educated, self-absorbed, arrogant American.
People sure can be gullible. Come on! You're an idiot for believing everything anybody says.
Golly, the less you talk, the more intelligent we would think you are. Obviously not that bright and surely busting at the seams with unwittiness. Lets just hope there are no clones of the like and hopely no frozen eggs left behind. WHEW!
Please don't feed the trolls.
So is this the plan? Keep destroying earth hoping to find another we can move to? 🙁
I don't care what we do to this planet – I'ma gonna have me some sweet alien-sex! WOOOOOHOOOOO
NEW MEAT, it was about time !!!!!
Kinky!
Unfortunately for you these particular aliens do not multiply as we humans do. Instead, the female aliens are 16 ft tall and have a large sex organ that they penetrate the males with. Afterwards they feast on the male. Enjoy your alien sex 🙂
Your asses aren't going anywhere. Now get the broom out and start cleaning up your mess. Earth is all your're going to get...sorry you lazy suckers.
Awww, but dad, i wanna moon maiden, or space alien, errrrr, some strange.
You can't even do simple math...don't know the difference between Iran or Iraq...have an In and Out Burger philosophy. Get your asses in the back room and start cleaning before I get a switch.
i never get to have any fun ~pout~
*shake's head*
...sure Mary... that's the plan.
We'd ask you to leave Sphincter Guy but all the rest of us normal folks do realize we need somewhere for the shit to come out. Nice name you've appointed yourself- very appropriate.
God doesn't exist.. and your probably very ugly, due to the fact your a bible nut. Most likely obese and wear glasses, and have a small wieny..also due to the fact your a bible nut
You're a fool like there's no God.
Idiot
I know you are, but what am I?
With all the planets in the 'known' universe, think about how many Earth-like planets are out there and how many might contain life like ours and then those that we could never think up as long as our species lives. Its fasinating how some of you people on here are so worked up on just the religious view point of the arguement and not the fact that we might not be the only people in the universe. These posts about God making only one world and one competent species is just a load of croak.
Me, personally, I can't wait to see if there is any sort of living creatures on any of these Earth-like planets. Be it bactrium or actual walking talking forms of life.
I am right there with you!! As vast as space is I believe there is something out there. What a wonderful scientific discovery!! I am very excited about this. It's ashame that people can't see beyond the stars they see every night. Fear prevents growth, knowledge, etc..etc.., Kudos to your open intelligant mind!!!!
The only concern I have about the existence of intelligent life elsewhere is the theory that, if in a galaxy this large there is any other life, then there is abundant life throughout. If there is abundant life throughout, then there is no doubt that there are other "human-like" species in the galaxy that have potentially millions of years headstart on our species. If that is true, then where are they? I mean, once humans can travel the stars and find habitable planets, you can be for certain that we will live on every one that can sustain life. We certainly wouldn't leave an "earth-like" planet alone with as many resources as ours has. So why haven't we been conquered and subjected yet? Once you expand to a few planets, in 10 million years a thriving "human-like" population could inhabit a billion planets in no time. Our population has doubled in 50 years. Imagine doubling a few thousand times while expanding across a galaxy full of stars.
If there was intelligent life elsewhere, they'd be here already, unless somehow we've matured and evolved faster than any other beings in the universe.
Assumption: "We certainly wouldn't leave an "earth-like" planet alone with as many resources as ours has." Perhaps we are the first to evolve to this point. Perhaps there are even better planets to exploit ...
You are making a lot of assumptions I think. 1) assuming intelligent life means they developed space travel 2) assuming that would pick up our small little planet. 3) assuming that if they evolved 10 millions years ago that they would actually still be around today. Theres always a chance such a species has been and gone. 4) The distances being so vast that traveling just a light year would take us something like 5000 years with current technology. If an advanced race was so far away that we havent detected them yet then it would still take them a heck of a long time to get here. and so on.
Will, one thing to consider, is that advanced life may have a code or higher moral standard regarding life and interrupting the natural evolvement of it. If that is the case, they may observe only. Just because the mainstream media and world doesn't have the smoking gun for proof that advanced life has visited us, it doesn't mean they haven't been here. Just something to consider.
Let's see, intelligent humans have existed for __________ (insert your favorite number from 200,000 years ago to now, or not applicable). We have yet to be able to send any signal that would likely have reached another planetary system with intelligent who could receive and understand it. Humans will all die out within the next _______________ (insert your favorite number from 1 to 200,000) years. We will never live long enough or have a chance to develop the technology to allow us to travel even 35 light years to find out. I believe in science and technology, but it is clear that mankind will not be able to evolve a civilization to permit it. And if we can't do it, no other intelligent life can do it either. Mankind will never travel to another solar system, let alone fine intelligent life elsewhere, and intelligent life elsewhere, will never be able to find us either.
Those are some massive assumptions. You must understand the massive expanse of the galaxy. If a civilization can only travel at near-light, it would take one ship 100,000 years to travel. And why would they travel directly to earth? There are millions of planets that could provide necessary resources. Even if there were a civilization relatively nearby, why would they go through that much effort when there is probably an abundance of all needed resources closer? And this is all assuming that they are that advance
I think you need to read more F. Dyson. The idea that with 1000's of years advancement on us an alien civilization would actually want to harvest minerals and bio-material from earth when they could harness the power output of entire stars, seems a little crazy. Human beings are capable of using up pretty much all of the stored resources within the next 100-300 years. There's really not much here a space-faring civilization would need unless it wanted company.
Here's the issue you're all missing. If there's ONE more advanced species in this infinitely large Universe, then its likely there are at least millions more amongst the trillions and trillions of stars out there. If that is the case, then every conceivable social type exists, and its likely that more than a few would be interested in our planet for any number of reasons (social experiments, resources, habitability, vacation hot spot, etc). And if there were even a few hundred of that number capable of advanced space travel, and a propensity to breed even a fraction as much as we do, then a few million years of planetary expansion coupled with space travel should nearly cover every nook and corner in this galaxy, no matter how big. You can't think in terms of other species being exactly the same age as ours. I have no doubts other stars that breed life would have done so billions of years before our Earth even formed. That gives huge head stars to millions of potential species that likely breed, and might have similar propensities that we do.
Lets say we somehow were able to inhabit one other planet in the next 100 years with 5000 people. Then, over the course of 100,000 years we inhabited 1000 more planets with 5000 people each. That doesn't seem like much. But add to that math, lets say that once each of those 5000 member planets grew to a billion people, they in turn started inhabiting other planets the same way, just think about the possibilities. In just 100,000 years the acceleration of that type of society would conquer the known galaxy. Imagine 10,000,000 years of that type of civilization. And once multiple solar systems get inhabited, a species gets infinitely harder to wipe out, short of a Cylon invasion.
If one foreign alien species had an inkling of the capitalistic opportunism that humans have, why wouldn't you want your very own planet and pet species to yourself? What a cool commodity that would be. "See the crazy human species from planet X-J84, take one home today for your own anal probing adventure".
Will, you do realize that the Universe is Very, Very, VERY large. Right?
What if they are orbiting a star in the galaxy HCM 6A? How do you suggest they bridge the 15.5 Billion Light Years to get here? And their motivation for completing such an incomprehensible task is supposed to be Earths 'abundant resources'?
The entire supposition is pretty ridiculous.
I absolutely understand that its large. But my point is that if life is abundant (meaning even remotely common) than you have to assume that advanced species, given a few millions years in an advanced stage of its existence, could conquer millions of stars in any given galaxy. The one thing we know for sure is that THIS galaxy sustains life (ours). With that being true, if we find out that even a few other stars within this galaxy contain the same potential for an advanced species, then its not only likely, but absolutely certain that advanced species exist in abundance in our galaxy, so much so that with 20 million years of head start they should have conquered or at least visited upon every star system in our galaxy. This shouldn't be hard to fathom if we can assume that light speed travel exists (or beyond) and techonology to terraform planets is functional (all of which is logical).
In less than 10000 years on Earth, the human population grew from thousands or a few millions into billions. Given unlimited discovered resources and the technology to sustain us, 10000 more years would be nothing to turn billions into quadrillions of humans across our galaxy. The laws of accelerated return means that in the right environment, we might be sending out billions of star ships/probes/exploratory missions in no time, even from only a few hundred populated planets (and a planet 3.5 times the size of the Earth could potentially sustain 1 trillion life forms or more)
And thats not to get into the possibility that alien life forms function more like insects. Maybe they breed even faster, more often and in larger quantities, before branching out all over. The possibilities are endless.
But again, this all assumes that life is abundant. Even if it is truly rare, the fact that there might be even one more population similar to humans with a techonological headstart means that they should have visited here by now.
No, not at all. You still don't realize how incredibly small the window is that you are referring to as "by now".
Humanity has existed, in its current form, only about 55,000 years (and only been capable of communicating via the EM spectrum for about 80 years.)
The age of the universe is about 13.7 ± 0.13 billion years. We have existed for far less than a blink of the universal eye.
If there were only one other intelligent species in existence at this point in time, randomly distributed somewhere in the universe, there would be an infinitesimal possibility of us ever finding each other.
Perhaps such a species does exist, and right now they are saying of us "If they exist, why haven't THEY found US yet?"
You're forgetting the "Prime Directive"....jeesh!
@AgentJ, the thing to think about though, is that even in a tiny "time" window, any advanced technological species that came before us (even billions of years) would almost certainly still exist and dominate any habitable land in our galaxy. The longer they've been around the more likely it is to happen. If you think about it, once a culture expands to multiple solar systems, their survival rate rises exponentially. There is always a fear right now that the human race could die out at any time because we are all in the same ship at sea, and it might sink at any time. But once you've got humans in 10 different habitable star systems, its much harder to see that chance of extinction exist. Put humans on 1000 planets and suddenly the existence of the culture could last pretty much an infinite amount of time. Short of a galactic scale supernova/black hole event, or an war of extinction with a more advanced species (which leaves their enemies trail in place), there is simply no way for an entire society of beings inhabiting a large number of star systems to die out, even over billions of years.
No, once the first advanced culture expands, it becomes the dominant one in the galaxy. If thats possible (light speed, worm holes) and intelligent life exists, why aren't they here, there and everywhere in our galaxy already?
Will, I must cite the "War of the Worlds" theory. Just because the planet is "Earth Like" doesn't mean you can survive there. We have earned the right to be the dominate species on this planet over years of adaptation. To assume that we could just drop into a foreign ecosystem as complex as ours or more is foolhardy. The opposite is true as well. But given that, you would think we would have had at least of few "visitors" at this point. This makes me think that all of this wormhole travel mumbo jumbo must not be a useful way to travel for fragile lifeforms similar to our own.
I completely agree with you (and alluded to as much in different post on this blog). You would think though, that an intelligent species that "visits" would want to leave some communication, wouldn't you? We went to the moon and left a flag and debris that will be there for millenia. An advanced species could leave any number of very obvious clues, or at least come back every few million years to check on our progress. Of course, I've read "Ancient Alien' theories related to the Pyramids and other hard to concieve creations, but a technologically advanced species could make absolutely obvious connections and communications, and I think they'd want to as much as we'd want to.
Arent you attaching human thinking to a possible alien species Will?
We might go everywhere waving flags and going 'yoo-hoo, look at us' but maybe the vermicious knids of wobbly5 believe in subtlety.
That would be because most non-theists are not only comfortable with the ‘possibility’ of life elsewhere but expect this to be the case. The conflict and hence the topic of the conversation is when theist get involved and try to dispute this and everything scientific to justify their primitive belief system. It would indeed be something to find life elsewhere but until the ‘possibility’ is nothing new.
The spacecraft to mars would have to be larger and more sophisticated than your camper. For instance, the technology exists to recycle wastewater.
Even poo water?
Even poo
it pains me to have to post this in reply:
http://inhabitat.com/poop-burger-japanese-researcher-creates-artificial-meat-from-human-feces/
That's hard to swallow.
Don't swallow the poo!!!!
I don't see why scientists think in order for there to be life out there there has to be water, a livable atmosphere, etc. Does anyone realize that maybe, just MAYBE, aliens don't need water? Or oxygen? Or anything else we humans need to live? For all we know, there could be aliens on Jupiter (hidden deep within perhaps) that are able to withstand its harsh environment but scientists immediately rule it out only because HUMANS can't live there. Does anyone else agree with me?
Maybe there is a balloon animal planet and they run on pneumatic circulatory systems.
@aa guy – I'm going to demand that I be made Secretary of Balloon Doggies!
ummm....no....
You are living in a ficticious world. Water is fundamental to life, not just humans.
I could see it as possible to evolve into something not needing water, such as robots, maybe without water from the get go. Life and consciousness is based off of raw energy at the lowest level, if you could trap and bind it together in a functional way then maybe it would be some sort of life, not sure how that would work.
I think it's possible. Considering the size of the universe, there might be substances found on other planets which are unknown to us. Who knows what alien life forms can survive on?
"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction." - Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872.
Maybe we'll add you to the list one day.
Where's your imagination? Maybe there are life forms based on liquid methane instead of water. Or silicon building blocks instead of carbon. The lack of evidence for other based life forms is not proof of its non-existance.
no. you are the only one who thinks this way.
Anthony- I don't think anyone would disagree with what you are saying but since we have limited resources we are looking for life in the most likely of places and that would be the places that we are most familiar with. If you go on the premise that life could be anywhere/everwhere then it makes it more difficult to find a starting place to actually look for alien life.
Yes, I have always thought this. We have no idea what other kind of life is out there.
It's not just because "humans can't live there." They're using common denominators of life of ALL sizes here on Earth (such as a need for water; no matter how long an organism can go without water, the fact is that every last one we've found on Earth needs it) to help look in other places.
And that doesn't rule out the idea that life may even be different on that fundamental level. The problem is we don't have many other standards to go by, so you start out looking for similarconditions to what we know.
One of the disclaimers largely missing in most of these articles is "Life As We Know It" which means not ALL life, just life that we are familiar with on earth. That doesn't preclude any of the possibilities you listed, or others you didn't. I agree with you, there could potentially be a life form that doesn't require any form of liquid, or sunlight, or whatever, to exist. But the Super Earth thing is more about planets that humans could travel to and eventually colonize, more than anything else.
Jupiter is a gas giant. Life existing in such a dense arrangement of chaotic gases is, although possible, very highly unlikely.
Jupiter will eventually ignite to form into a star itself and our Solar System will then become a Binary Star System. Arthur C. Clarke said it first...he's actually predicted a lot of things in his novels that have occurred.
I agree, However, we, as humans are most interested in life "as we know it" for obvious reasons. Yes there may be other forms of life, but even if we found it, it would be extremely difficult to recognise it as life, or to interract with it. There may be "other" forms of life right here on this planet, but we are not looking for it. It's really hard to look for every possibility.
Anthony,
I agree with you 100%. I have been saying this for years. Are we really that ignorant to think that the only possible life that exists would have to require the same chemical and biological elements that we as humans on earth require? I think that is short sided thinking to say the least.
Anthony, if my memory serves, we (the carbon-based life form over in a corner of the galaxy) are only one of at least three different possible life forms. Fluorine is the most active non-metallic element, and chlorine is not too far behind. The consolation in this is that we will never compete with such life forms for real estate.
Because every organism that we encounter requires it. Its through study that we determine what a lifeform needs to survive. Although we have found life in places we used to consider life just should not be, from organisms that thrive in sulfuric acid, to others that thrive in a volcanic environment, or things that can live in the crushing depths of the ocean. The one thing they all have in common is Water. Here on earth, where you find water, you find life. So in theory, where one finds water in the cosmos, there is a high probability that you'll find Life. But nothing is set in stone, Thats the rub. With so many possibilities out there you never know what you'll find. But lets at least stay out of the land of make believe when trying to determine what lifeforms are actually out there.
What you really mean is "what a life form on earth needs to survive". This does not preclude the possibility of other life forms that do not need those same essentials, and indeed may need completely incompatable essentials to those that exist on earth.
Sure I can agree with you. You are right. But science is a dogma and logic is losing ground as science becomes more ideological. In 100 years science will be the new religion and Darwin will be the prophet.
utter nonsense
i agree, and so does Carl Sagan. he invisioned a world of life beneath all its poisonus gases (again on your point, to humans) ballon like creature km's across,and predators that would obviously be there to dine on them. it was made back in the 80's i want to say but i'm not sure. it was a cool video he narrates. bet you could find it on YT. 🙂
Billyuns and billyuns of years ago.....
I suppose it's possible, but that would require making a leap into assuming life can develop and evolve without oxygen, which would be a pretty big leap for scientists to make with existing information
not true, molecular oxygen (O2) is not needed for life. It certainly is needed for animal life, but not all life.
Simple life most likely developed in an essentially oxygen-free environment on Earth. That life produced oxygen as a waste product (much like plants continue to do today.) Only later did more complex life begin to use oxygen as a metabolic input.
Oxygen tends to react with rocks, so without life generating oxygen oxygen atmospheres won't last. Oxygen gas doesn't produce easily detectable spectral signatures, but ozone gas produced from ultraviolet light and oxygen gas does. Because life is just about the only known way to produce oxygen atmospheres, ozone signatures would be a sign of life. Life comes first, then oxygen atmospheres might follow, so it's not a leap to assume that life could develop and evolve without oxygen. No, instead it's most likely that life on Earth did initially develop and evolve without oxygen.
Once I asked my astronomy professor the same question. He agreed that there is a chance that life could exist without liquid H2O, but explained that liquid H2O is the best medium for the building blocks of life similar to that on earth – the only life we know about for certain – to exist and come together in a recognizable form. His explanation makes fairly good sense to me and does not preclude the existence of unimagined/unencountered life forms. So yes, I believe the possibility exists, but liquid H2O is the best thing we can look for at this time.
Have to agree with you, but everyone here seems to be thinking that life has to be based on carbon and that water is necessary to support it. What if life were based on silicon and they needed nitrogen to get along? You have to think outside of Earthly constraints and typcial wisdom and knowledge before just saying water is a necessity. Only to life on Earth.
every planet is going to have pretty much the same elements. The spontaneous generation of carbon-based life must be pretty easy. I have no doubt that we will recapitulate spontaneous life from simple chemicals in a (series of) test tube(s) long before we find life outside our solar system.
It is possible that life would form that doesn't match our expectations, but we have no examples of that occurring so it makes sense to narrow the scope of our search to conditions we KNOW have evolved life.
Lol.
Try reading more on the subject... you'll find they have considered all those points... and why wouldn't they?
I believe they are looking for planets that have similar conditions to ours because they know for a fact that life can exist in those conditions and do not have to assume that they could exist in others.
Yes. I do. This makes a lot of sense Anthony. The human race can be so ignorant to the possibility of other being life forms. I don't get how we as the human race , could be so arrogant. We are not that special that we are the only ones that exist.
"Ugly bags of mostly water"
I can't believe western religions are still around while we have this kind of technology and are this far in science. The thought of being in the same period of time as these primitive minded people is insulting to us as the human race. I believe there is a great chance that there is life out in the universe, but we should improve our technology in space travel and defense before we attempt to go to these planets or establish contact with any intellegent life outside of the Earth.
So Eastern religions are good then?
you don't know too much about eastern religions do you.
How did you get that out of my question cc? May I call you c? I was wondering if he felt all religion was bad or just western. Not to mention i'm vague on what makes a religion western c.
Eastern religions are completely different than western religions (except for Hinduism which is polythiestic), Eastern religions like Taoism and Buddhism do not have gods and are not as intolerant as Christianity or Catholisism. They are more accepting of the universe and how it works. And a western religion is a religion like Judaism, Christianity, Islam, ect, basically religions from Europe or the Middle East that have been around for thousands of years.
Western religions were formed out of the basic tenets and principles of Eastern religions- I hope you have and should read more on this. And Hinduism is not polytheistic, but is labeled such from a perspective of Western religious views. Hinduism has at its core the belief that all of life and existence materialized out of one pure origin- unlike Western religions and traditions it does not suppose to attempt to describe something as unfathomable as this one origin. Yes Hindus believe in "gods"- but they all emanate of the one origin and are therefore not the One "God" or origin of all.
Cool. Now lets watch some reruns of a documentary like "Star Trek."
Original, 2ndGen, DS9, or Voyager? Carefull, there is a right and wrong answer to this one.....
DS9 obviously. Far and away the best series.
Thats in 2nd place, but good choice!
I don't watch "Star Trek", I'm just looking from a historical POV and saying about the preperation as a caution.
Don't watch Star...?
INFIDEL!!!!!
First choice must clearly be Voyager! 😉
One thing I have noticed on these forums is that no matter what the topic, someone will come along and say something negative about religion. It's as predictable as television. CNN does a story on people's vacation destinations, and someone will say "I would never go there. The people are such fools because they are religious," etc. Or a story on a funny viral video, "I can't believe we have such fools as to believe that technology hasn't answered all man's questions and there are still religions in the world." I have developed a theory that the CNN forums are the place where our atheist evangelists hang out like trolls, trying desperately to find something they can say against faith. It's getting silly.
In A New Earth, spiritual teacher and author Eckhart Tolle (The Power of Now) advocates present moment awareness and the dismantling of the ego as the path towards awakened living. A New Earth gets its title from a Bible verse referring to the rising of "a new heaven and a new earth." According to Tolle, "heaven" is the awakened state that will bring about "a new earth".
This book will make you an intellegent life form. It will open your mind to the transporter, black hole input and white hole output. The Universe is a machine and only through understanding, working within the machine, is deep space transport possible. The nature of symmetry is the truth mathematically and spiritually. For example as there becomes less resources there becomes more insanity (War). Image unlimited resources access to the heavens.
There's clearly more insanity, but instead of "War" I like to call it "Clarence"
oooooohmmmmm oooohhhmmmm The one is all, and the all is one. Be one with the all. Do not be all with the one.
Uh, hey, where did my aluminum foil for my hat go?
nanananananananananananananananananananananananananan...be the ball, Danny, be the ball...nanananananananananananananananananan
DO NOT TAUNT HAPPY FUN BALL.
Nice idealism.
GodsPlan1972: In the beginning God created the HEAVANS and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters (NIV). Hmmmm, wonder why the heavans are mentioned first? Perhaps on another planet their bible reads: In the beginning God created the HEAVANS and planet umtpysquat?
If we discover life on other planets, how long before the Pope admits it is true?
When he's charged with probing them
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/11/world/main5613197.shtml <– he's already said it's OK to believe in alien life...
that depends...
How many choir boys does it take to screw in the Popes light bulb?
The bible does not say God DIDN'T create other planets with other life forms. Just like it doesn't say HOW he created the living creatures on this planet. Who knows, maybe God DID create us from slime...the bible isn't very specific. It just says he did it. So why argue over something that you don't ACTUALLY know the answer to?
And you know, no where in the bible does it say he stopped at Earth. And no where does it say that he didn't put life on other planets, just that he put us here. Just because the bible doesn't include something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. After all, if everything possible were in there, it would be an awfully big book.
You need to brush up on your history. The ancient Greeks knew the world was flat. You know who didn't and who then killed anyone who disagreed? Christians, Christians who are responsible for the enormous loss of knowledge that we are still recovering from in some ways. We had to rediscover math that was known, construction that was known, lost uncountable books (proven by way of finding old bibles that can be x-rayed to find that the skins were sheared to get the "evil" science off it, and rewritten to a useful purpose).
So don't hold the bible in to high a voice in that it spoke so knowingly of a "round" Earth. Remember how they locked up anyone who said the Earth wasn't the center of the universe and who said the Earth was round? That was cool, yeah.
Know what else is cool? How the Vatican didn't admit until 1960 or so that the Earth revolved around the sun. So in short: Get over the book writing what was common knowledge until the writers killed anyone else who knew.
That was in comment to, I think, a previous comment. >_< I click reply under one, and it just randomly goes to another post. Thank goodness it at least had the same person. Yeesh.
Let there be light. Now that must have been a really big bang.
I think Nasa has raised the white flag as far as space exploration, the moon is about as far as we can get, Just going
to Mars will take 3 months, how do carry 3 months of water and account for all the piss & poop for 3 months, pretty
hard to do... example.... on a desert trip in my 30 ft trailer for 4-5 days... i carry 100 gallons of water thats approx 750
lbs and thats for 3 people.. so the math on a trip to mars just for water.. thats approx 17,000.00 lbs thats 7 tons of
water..and that would have to be used very carefully... so we're stuck on this damn rock until Hell Freeze's over.
There are a dozens of plans for getting humans to Mars from several different countries and none of them involve your trailer 🙂
There is another HUGE problem that doesn't get much press: Radiation! Our bodies cannot withstand that amount of shielding to protect against it is such a difficult thing to overcome that this may in itself keep us from getting to Mars.
Actually they've discovered that Mars has "lave-tubes" just like earth does. They have found ones that have caved in ceilings (seen in NASA photos from the mars orbiting photographic spacecraft – just search on the NASA site) exposing the underground tubes and they have conjectured that such tubes could be used for Mars colonies to shield the human inhabitants from excessive accumulated radiation, thus using "natural shielding" provided by the planet's former vulcanic activities."
Sorry, that should be "lava-tubes".
Recycle the pee and expell the poop. Duh
You seem to know it all. Please let NASA know your research before they research it any further. Thanks.
Over 95% of wastewater can be recycled. It is being tested on ISS right now.
They have a recycler on the space station that turns urine into potable water. Also, they have a dehumidifer that pulls moisture out of the air into the recycler so sweat, spit, etc gets recycled into drinkig water as well.
We can just send them out with dehydrated water. It weighs much less than regular water.
NASA needs you to do the math for some interstellar journeys that take 35 light years.
Of course aliens know who and what we are. Since the widespread use of radio waves & other forms of comm, this has been a terribly noisy bit of the cosmos. Opinion: not interested. Don't they still teach in school that carrier waves go on indefinitely?? My question is, why haven't we intercepted someone's else's transmissions? Or have we??
""Don't they still teach in school that carrier waves go on indefinitely?""
No.
Of coarse there is life on other planets. Do you think this entire endless universe has one planet with life on it, seriously? How ridiculous is it to think that Earth is the only planet that holds life? Plus, Im quite sure that there is also other intelligent life out there, which is awesome!!! I am one that believes that we are being visited by these other intelligent beings. If a civilization started developing just a million years before us, why is it so far our of the realm of possibility that they have found means of space travel? Just because we don't know how, doesn't mean they don't. We send out so many radio signals on a daily basis, how hard do you think it would be for them to find us? Perhaps they are the ones that put us here. Think about it, we are completely forgian to this planet. You can look at how we are made and our high level of intelligence and see that we are not from here.
You are making unsubstantiated assumptions. Show me proof, if you can.
This truly makes those "Bean my up scotty there's no intelligent life down here" ring true.
This truly makes those "Bean my up scotty there's no intelligent life down here" t-shirts ring true.
You're insane. Do not pro-create.
Try reading an older book titled "Chariots of th Gods" . I think you would enjoy it. If I remember it correctly is was bases on the thesis of our planet being populated by an alien race.
Which one is named Pandora
My backyard rocket can make it there in less than 12 parsecs.
Of course it can, 12 parsecs is 39 light years, and they said this planet is only 35 light years away.
You say of course it can as if it is feasible for his rocket to travel at 90% light speed
@ mike,
traveling that fast has nothing to do with it. It's like me saying I can get from here to my door in less than a mile but my door is only 20 feet away. As long as his rocket hits escape velocity and he aims it right, it will get there eventually and in less than 12 parsecs
I can't figure out which one of you I want to kick more...
Don't kick them yet, i want to know which one did the Kessel run the fastest.
A Parsec is a measure of distance. The last part of your sentence does not make a lot of sense. Sorry.
Jesus didn't some of you people ever see Star Wars?
Personally I hope we never make it to another Earth like planet. At least not until we get our acts together. The way I see it, we'd exploit it, trash it, then move on to the next one
Yep.
So you saw Avatar too, eh?
Maybe George W Bush can invade these planets in search for Oil.
gwb is a hero and a patriot.
Says danin with a giant smirk on his face.
You left out moron and liar.
Fool me once....duh......
how does that go......duh......
He can. All he has to do is say they have WMDs.
For everyone saying that life on another planet is not possible – what about the fragment of a meteor that was found to hold frozen bacterium? Also, water equals life. Just because it might not be an advanced life-form does not mean that it is not alive.
To those that state that scientists lie I take enormous offense. My grandfather was a religious man, but he was also a scientist, a chemist to be exact. He developed a formula to mass produce Hydrocodone, invented instant coffee and instant iced tea, he also worked on the Manhattan project working with hydrogen (like most involved he had no idea what he was actually working on). So just remember the next time you have an injury and are prescribed a medication, shoot your gun, spoon some instant in your mug, or mix up some instant iced tea, the things that you take for granted or state is your god given right was developed from some one in the science field. That beer your holding while your driving your pick-up truck listening to Alex Jones on the radio, it all would not be possible if not for science. So put your head down, your'e done for the day....
Your grandfather wasted his life after he invented iced tea. He shouldve quit while he was ahead.
Actually he didn't. He retired, was the chairman on our local board of ethics for over 20 years, did taxes, helped raised myself and my brother, gave out food for meals on wheels, and was highly active in our church. Don't personally put people down just because you don't agree with them. "God" may have given you a brain, but he sure didn't give you common sense or compassion. GTFO
Basically agree, except the part about the bacteria. There is quite a bit of controversy about that.
One does not *invent instant coffee*, but rather one works out a method or process to produce this.
Would it make you feel better if I had worded it as – He invented the process/formula for instant coffee/iced tea?
very well said Lauren....amazing the wonderful people we have here on our own planet!! lol...
So your grandfather is Satori Kato?
No he was not. He was responsible for the formulation of instant coffee and iced tea for Standard Brands (now Nabisco) in the 1950s.
So where is time travel science?
Seriously though, how is it that people are so arrogant as to say, without a doubt, that there is no other life out there and that, based on a book of stories, that God created everything, period? Until you have been to the farthest reaches of the universe, you have no right to declare anything as truth. Maybe there is a god, maybe not. I do not dis-believe anything. I am keeping an open mind and whatever happens, happens.
Jacks, the whole idea of science is to understand the LIMITS of nature. That is its beauty. If you don't understand its limits, then you can believe in any fantasy, and they will all appear equally valid. Don't try to be "politically correct" here. Science is about understand what we cannot do, just as much about what we can do.
I'm not trying to be politically correct at all. I am not a scientist and I am not religious, so I do not have sufficient knowledge on either subject to say, for certain, that one exists and not the other. It amazes me that some people who believe in god think that because they are religious, they are not permitted to think scientifically and open their minds to the possibilities.
those stories to make a fuller sweeping generalizations of why folks 'have' to make those other sweeping generalizations. "All you need" post below might help explain it.
Yes, I agree with the "all you need" post, but Christians will always just default to "It is God's will", regardless of the situation. That's their loophole 🙂
I know plenty of people who are religious but are also scientific minded. The two can coexist, not all religious people are bible thumpers, some just know there is a higher being and use logic to listen to both sides and conclude that with science the thought of chance starts going out the window. With the complicated and sophistication involved in all aspects of life to suns, you would think its hard to believe it is all chance right?
I want to be a superhuman on superearth and wear a supersuit with a supercape. All my food will be supersized and I'll live in superheaven watching superman. The crushed mass of my body will weigh 1 ton and I'll be mush on the landscape, but that's beside the point I guess. Just think of all the diamonds, gold, and other jewels that robots can mine and bring back to earth. Maybe it has dilithium crystals for our antimatter reactors, or latinum that can be pressed and used as money with the Ferengis....
I'll crush your superfatass
And the evangelists come crawling out of the woodwork. I have a friend who takes the Bible so literally that she actually said to me, after visiting a museum of natural history, "I still don't believe in dinosaurs."
has nothing to do with dinosuars. You're friend is misguided indeed.
I can't spell. :/
I believe in dinosaurs. I pray to them every day.
You're right. There is no evidence that life exists on other planets, but that does not mean we shouldn't look for evidence. Until a few years ago, there was no evidence of planets orbiting any stars other than the Sun. And if planets orbiting other stars show the conditions suitable for the formation of life, then statistics alone suggest that it is likely that life evolved elsewhere.The difference between you and these scientists is that they base their beliefs and assertions on observation, while you base yours on stories you've been told and read, probably since childhood. To play devil's advocate, there is no evidence that there is a God that created anything, just a bunch of scrolls and stories passed down for generations.
And now I see I replied to the wrong person. Sorry.
Whose evidence is more persuasive: my old scrolls, or your old bones?
Old bones are evidence of animals which were previously alive and more ... old scrolls are evidence that humans often require the comfort of things which cannot be seen.
C.S. Lewis: Both old scrolls and old bones can be carbon dated and old bones usually are thousands of times older than old scrolls.
It is true that dinosaurs roamed on earth, however after Adam sinned and the world became wicked place, the bigger dinosaurs were most likely not included on the ark and they all drowned in the flood. Regarding evolutionists claiming them to be millions of years old, they are basing them on carbon dating and allotting them in certain age range which is a flawed science. Research some about carbon dating. The earth in not millions of years old and evolution is just BAD SCIENCE!!
Can't tell if trolling or just stupid.
Could be both ... but definitely stupid.
I thought Adam ate them.
Are all your dates carbon ?
I've been to Superearth. It's not as great as everyone says.
HAHAHA niiice
Oh, how refreshing to be on a blog wherein most of those posting are not deluded, superstitious idiots. 🙂
that this really doesn't do anything to help the conversation. Just shows an amazing amount of intollerance from one we'd expect tollerance from.
Actually it was a hint to those superstitious idiots to abandon a blog about science and to the the blog that supports their ramblings, like CNN's 'Belief' blog. Guess I was just too subtle!
too subtle yes, but that also infers a compartmentalization of life which shouldn't exist if there is a truth of any kind. Life on another planet threatens Xianity (not all religions, just Xianity). So it is important to them to be on these blogs.
Alas! . . . rational reasoning and exploration are no threat to Xianity, as those who embrace Xianity's brains are controlled by their emotional needs not by reason and are therefore impervious to the absorption of facts contradictory to their delusions.
Wow, I hope there are others like me on those earths! One big cosmic poo!
So we found this new planet but we can't even get there? Its just one bait and switch after another. I though things would be different with Obama. He said he would end the wars, the waters were going to recede, and our planet would start to heal again. Next thing we know he'll be telling us that our economy is in recovery. Oh wait.
Epic fail.
You're really going to blame Obama for us not being able to get to a planet outside our solar system? Is he to blame for a bad hair day as well??
to prove Xianity wrong is find one life form that is or is equal to humanity. It makes the idea of Jesus dieing for the sin of humanity much harder to deal with.
On Topic – If i'm 230 now, what am I on this larger planet mentioned?
Still dumb and fat! HAHAHA
Loser!
I should have seen that comming, lol :).
i would think weight would go up, gravity would be increased due to planetary size. So you would feel heavier, but we would need to know exact speed of rotation and size of planet to figure that mess out.
I was just curious if it would be a weight that I could get used to or if gravity would simply be too strong for my innards to stay...innard.
Actually, that doesn't disprove Christianity. It only proves that there are other worlds. Nowhere in the Bible does it specifically say mankind are the only ones in the universe. Interestingly, C.S. Lewis was a big believer in extra terrestrial life.
It does befuddle one to think about how Christ can take a human body to redeem the inhabit the people of one planet and another to redeem the people of another. However, that assumes they are, in fact, in need of redeeming. Also, if God can actually, take a body, then I think that sorts out any befuddlement. After all, if He can do that, He can take any body He chooses.
You said: Actually, that doesn't disprove Christianity. It only proves that there are other worlds. Nowhere in the Bible does it specifically say mankind are the only ones in the universe. Interestingly, C.S. Lewis was a big believer in extra terrestrial life.
My Response: The whole purpose of the Bible is God redeeming mankind (who was made in his image, and teaches that Jesus is the only image of the invisible God, hence the whole “the first adam was made after the second”). Did you know C.S. Lewis was converted by Tolkein only to abandon Catholicism and lose his friendship with Tolkein over it? BTW, I’m not big fan of what either of these two believed.
You said: It does befuddle one to think about how Christ can take a human body to redeem the inhabit the people of one planet and another to redeem the people of another. However, that assumes they are, in fact, in need of redeeming.
My response: It doesn’t befuddle me, I’m not Trinitarian. I don’t really know if you’re a believer or not, but I’m going to assume it for my sake so I can word my sentences better. If you believe the Bible, then you must accept that when Adam (not Eve) sinned, sin entered the world. World here implies more than just the earth and more than just humanity. No matter what other life forms are existent, they would have to be redeemed, unless God viewed them as lesser creations and not in His image, which would get back to my point of a life form that is or is equal to humanity. As far as sin entering from the Devil, not sure how it applies from a spiritual realm to material, but obviously it doesn’t carry over since Adam’s sin is the one that matters.
You said: Also, if God can actually, take a body, then I think that sorts out any befuddlement. After all, if He can do that, He can take any body He chooses.
My response: This would make Jesus a phantom and not an actual being. This would make any blood sacrifice (detestable to all, even God believe it or not) incomplete and pointless whereby no redemption is possible. Which that is only half of it, because Jesus would have to be an actual being in order to be resurrected, otherwise the second half of redemption would be entirely bogus and without that, all Xians might as well ask for their money back and go to the casino’s or something.
My conclusion: I have a different theology than what you are arguing with and than you may be used to, so we would need to come to a middle ground in order to have a more fruitful discussion.
Email me if you’d like (p2b05@aol.com) – oh great, just through my email out for everyone. :/
"One of these planets in particular could theoretically be home to life if conditions are right. It's called HD 85512 b, and scientists say it's about 3.6 times the mass of the Earth. Its location with respect to its star suggests that this planet could have liquid water under certain circumstances."
Just curious, why do we assume conditions need to be similar to those on Earth for life to exist? And why the assumption that liquid water is required to support it? Life, in a totally different form that what we know may exist on planets which could never support us or the fauna/flora we're used to.
I concur. I often replace "life-sustaining" with "capable of sustaining life as we know it."
"It's life, Jim, but not as we know it."
I completely agree that it's not necessary to look for water on planets to look for life on planets. Our own planet sustains life that feeds off sulfur, requires no sunlight, and doesn't have to breath oxygen. If we found a water planet, I would stake my life that there would be life on it, abundantly. Yet, in this vast universe, a gas giant larger than Jupiter holding an ecosystem completely unique that trumps Earth in species of life, is not an inconceivable idea.
Your assertion is quite correct. However, to search all planets for life would be time consuming and largely full of failure. By adhering to the weak anthropic principle we can cut down the number of planes we search to one type where it is certain life can exist, namely those under earthlike conditions
The assumption is that we're looking for life that can sustain metabolism and pass on genetic information from one generation to the next, as well as other things. Basically, we're looking for carbon-based life because it's the only life we have ever seen any evidence for, and is therefore a logical place to start. Using the tools we have to examine the composition of exoplanets, how would we know how to look for the conditions that would sustain another kind of life that we know nothing about? DNA is a particular molecule, hydrophobic at its interior and water soluble at its exterior. So far we haven't seen evidence of other molecules that can do the same thing as DNA. If we were to find a new type of life form, then we would be able to look for the conditions that would support it.
We don't assume that life must have water but the only life we know of does require water and that's why we look for that.
For the human species to ever get to any of the potentially-"life" sustaining planets, we either have to figure out how to bend space and time or construct a specifically-space oriented society (like a traveling mini-earth). Either way, the human species won't be traveling to any extrasolar planets in my lifetime unfortunately. But eventually, our species will need to leave earth in order to exist due to either outside forces (asteroids, solar expansion) or much more immediately, our further degradation of the earth. This is why science must be a priority. Science gives us the best chance of at least preserving our planet and exploring the universe. Governments should stop these stupid petty wars and focus on working together to fund science research for the environment, eradication of disease and reducing suffering.
It is also simply time to throw off the chains of myths and move on. People must accept that there simply is no real scientific evidence for the existence of a higher power and as humans discover and learn more about our earth and the universe, the gaps in which the religious plug their gods rapidly disappear. Simply put, religion is holding the human species back. Time to move on.
Realistically, even if it were possible to travel millions of light-years away from here, we will be long extinct before we ever figure it out.
How do you know that?
My starship works just fine.
EXCELLENT POST!!! Fully AGREED
We will never reach another solar system. Yes, I know science fiction stories theorize propulsion systems that could get us there. But you need to face science fact. Stop putting faith in what you hope will happen or hope exists light years away.
i dont think so buddy,u can if u try
The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits.
You people are ignorrant to believe the universe revolves around us. Look at how far our technology has gotten us in 200 years. Our computers our doubling in speed every two years. The Universe is millions upon millions of years old and compared to our measly little planet you would be an idiot to not believe there is life on other planets. You are the same people who said we would never reach the moon, the same people who said the earth was flat, and now the same people who say we will never explore space. I feel sorry for you cause being closed minded means living a mediocre and sad life!
The great beauty and purpose of science is to know the limits of nature. We have come a long way in the past few centuries in this and one of the things we now can say with certainty is that we cannot travel the huge distances involved. Pity, isn't it?
No, the pity is that you and I won't be around for me to to say "I told you so" when we do it. I agree that it may not happen in our lifetime, but we all stand on the shoulders of giants. It's been a slow and steady march for us out of the primordial ooze to the point where we are today. We just need to keep up the journey of exploration and innovation. Your spamming of defeatist, small-minded, narrow-viewed posts is tiring.
You really need to get a knowledge of science, EP. Then what I say would be much easier to understand.
You sure know a lot about what will happen decades and centuries from now! Presumably you have already won the lottery 10 times over... so that's why you have all this time to post arrogant nonsense over and over.
yes and science also says helicopters should not be able to fly as they do! wow, talk about believing only what you understand! The universe is alot bigger than you my friend.
I know what I am saying. You guys grew up watching too much Star Trek. You really need to understand physics a bit better.
Understanding will evolve and expand. It doesn't matter if you know a great deal about physics NOW...
It's just silly to pretend to know what will and will not be possible 100 years from now... 1,000 years from now... I would bet that actual physicists and really smart people would be very hesitant to make the same claims you do.
We went to the moon with lesser technology – Commitment to over population concerns and changing climate along with wars over religion will make it impossible for the human race to achieve the great things needed to real breathroughs. This planet simply can't sustain our way of life from a scarcity stand point so everyone needs to give up a LOT by lowering their standard of living or a lot of people need to die (think global cleansing) because with the changing world we simply won't have the luxury of such lofty persuits.
You said it right, Chris. And sadly, we will not be able to control our overpopulation in time. Our petri dish will exhaust itself before we develop that capability.
Let's hope the aliens are vegetarians,
some are and others would find you crunchy delicious...
Another 2.4 million poor in this country. Kids going hungry while we spend hundreds of millions gazing at the stars. There is a time and a place for everything but good god folks, there is a super-earth that could use some of that money right now.
We can always ship the poor off on a rocket booster experiment. If they make it to super-earth, they'll be the richest people on the planet. If not.....problem still solved.
It is the belief in God that lead the pioneers of science and astronomy to seek an understading of the cosmos becuase Christians understand there is order in the universe. Man today is arrogant and prideful believing that their small understading of science can supplant the ntoiton of a creator of the universe.
It is the belief in God that lead the pioneers of science and astronomy to seek an understading of the cosmos becuase Christians understand there is order in the universe. Man today is arrogant and prideful believing that their small understading of science can supplant the notion of a creator of the universe.
Your belief in "God" is absurd. Jesus walked on water too I suppose? The belief in "God" that you gain from The Bible is absolutely unfounded. The Bible is the worlds largest game of telephone. It is stories...stories that were told through generations that were then interpreted and then given to King's to edit. So it is a book written after the fact after a giant game of telephone and then hand to A MAN to determine what is appropriate to brainwash the masses. Then you want to take your religion and shove it down everyone's throat. Religion is largely oppressive and the backing of many bloodbaths in history. But if you need a crutch to lean on so be it. You are weak and unintelligent.
[enter irreverent bible verse to try and make a point]
Wow ... you replied to your post with a corrected post ...
This morning i made a piece of toast that had jesus' face on it.
And fortunately, that very knowledge that religion helped to promote helped make it clear how faulty the reasoning religion itself is based on.
hallelujah
Repeating it doesn't make it true.
Is that why 85% of scientists are atheist?
Odd that you limit it to Christians. Don't even mention Ancient civilizations well before Christ. I think you just made this up, like other people made up Christianity.
Uh, no, not so much. The "Christian understanding" of the universe is a faith-based paradigm that has no basis in fact. Christianity has NOTHING to do with why these scientists continue to explore and study the world around us. They do it because humans are naturally curious about the world and are driven to understand why and how it works. The Christian view of that is only one of many, and FOR CERTAIN, there is NOTHING special about it. Christianity is nothing more than another fairy tale concocted by "believers", just like the tales used by the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans to explain their worlds. You Christians have God, Jesus, Mother Mary, and the like, while the ancients had deities based on the sun, the moon, the stars, natural phenomena. No difference. Sorry. I know you all like to believe you're some type of exception in the course of human history. You're not exceptional.
If you had done any in depth reading, which its clear you have not, about your "Christian" scientist you would have found out that that they were, in their hearts and behind the doors safe from the inquisition, the farthest thing from Christians. They believed in God- a Creative element, but not the thing you kneel to beg for your prayers. Know true history before falsely cite it.
lol that is funny but they are actually kicking it with me...
I am announcing that, in the even this planet has life on it, I will attempt to seduce all of its male inhabitants.
Hey! That's not what I wrote! That's not mine up there.
LOL
Sad for you it is another hetero planet.
Of course there is life on that planet. Tupac, Biggie, MJ and Jesus are kickin' it there as we speak!
Wrong! All three are in hell.
YOU'RE in hell! Shut up!
Don't forget Elvis!
No phenomenon discovered in our Universe has yet shown to be totally unique and one of a kind. So why would we assume life would be that one phenomenon? Yes life may be one of the rarest occurrences and intelligent life ever rarer. However as with every phenomenon in this Universe, surely life has sprung up not just on one other planet, but likely millions if not billions.
Considering how many stars there are in how many galaxies, life might not be as rare as we think. Too bad ours will take place in the blink of an eye (relatively speaking) and we'll probably never know.
True, Alex. But even as Stephen Hawking said, if any of them came here, it would be a very bad day for earth because you know that the only reason they would be here is to exploit resources, not make friends.
I completely disagree with the statement that alien intelligent life would come here to reap our resources and destroy us...if such a civilization did in fact have the technology to traverse the cosmos, it would be highly unlikely that they would come here and pick a fight...regardless of what Hollywood says. In order to possess such technology, common struggles with power would need to be overcome in order to keep the civilization from being corrupt. In achieving "faster than light" speed, such a civilization would definitely need to be super intelligent and responsible with the power they can harness. Such an idea is not law, just a logical conclusion...
Hawkings point is that they wouldn't invest in such a huge undertaking unless they were desperate. And that wouldn't bode well for us.
1. In today's Earth we would probably visit another world to explore, learn, assimilate and then exploit
2. Historically, Earth-bound civilizations explored, exploited, then learned and/or assimilated.
Either way, exploitation is part of the return on investment for our cost of travels into the universe. It is likely that other worlds would do the same. If they have the advanced technology to allow them to travel here from the vast distances in space – learning about our culture is probably not job 1 for their species.
.....I wouldn't consider us intelligent just yet. Wait till we stop killing each other, THEN we can be somewhat competent.
Pics or it didnt happen....
...and may we never be able to get to a single one of them and ruin them as we have done to our poor earth.
Not to mention that it would take 25,000 years to get there... I don't think people are ready to wait that long.
BLAKE..pull the needle out of your arm, boy. This is 2011..get with it.
Find a wormhole. Duh!
The problem here is that humans are stuck on this little notion of distance per time. It is only one way of looking at the space around us, and a limiting one at that.
Here, I will share with you a hint. The shortest distance between two points is not traveling along the straight line between them.
You can talk all you want about space-warping, Joe. The problems still pretty much remain.
How is it not a line? Its still a line no matter what method you take. Its ALWAYS a line, it just might not be on the x,y, or z axis.
Draw a point on either side of an envelope. One would think that to get from A to B, you should draw a straight line between them. The solution is to fold the envelope, bringing point A to point B.
When you think in terms of distance per time, you're still stuck along a line no matter how you bend it. The key is to know where A and B are going to be in relation to time itself and skip the distance in between.
Ha ha, Joe, That's much easier said than done. You would have to create massive gravity spikes in some areas while expanding gravity in others. Then you would also have to keep the ship from being destroyed by these tidal forces it just created. It would be easier to get a ship to go near light speed making the trip only a month or something for the people on the ship but with it still being 80-100 years here on earth.
Special Relativity to the rescue!
Sounds like someone has seen Event Horizon one too many times...in theory yes, the shortest distance between 2 points is "0." Plotting 2 points on a map and folding the map so that the 2 points can be passed through simultaneously is simply one theory in getting around Einstein's Theory of Relativity... Whether or not it's possible remains to be seen, except in Hollywood...
Holzman effect
You connect your ends of the envelope by manually folding the envelope, right? So how much energy would be needed to connect our planet sized specs???
Ha! I haven't thought of that song in years!!
This is really cool news! Now just to figure out how to travel the vast distance without it taking hundreds of years.
Completely awesome news. And just think...a planet 10 times the size of our own! That means it would take 10 times as long for us to destroy it. My question, though, is this: Any chance we can leave Obama here?
***sbast18
Completely awesome news. And just think...a planet 10 times the size of our own! That means it would take 10 times as long for us to destroy it. My question, though, is this: Any chance we can leave Obama here
If we left you there, the Aliens would deport you......or maybe eat you.
..or more like millions of years. Imagine being in any kind of spacecraft that long!
and the kids... are we there yet?
Calculation isn't my strong point if your referring to Earth Time yeah it's a million yr away.
This is interesting and I hope good comes of it. Too bad we can't even peacefully live with "aliens" from other countries on our own planet of our own kind, though.
That's why we are in solitary confinement– no contact with galactic civilization allowed until we evolve out of our paranoid and aggressive behavior.
Through the windless night we sail
To watch the timeless dance unfold.
Out of joy we share the tale
To any who would have it told...
SHUT UUUUUUP JUST SHUT THE HELL UP
You would need the Keys to the Kingdom of God (The Heavens) to get there. I have the Keys, the singularity formation calculated; nonetheless the Resurrection ship has 12 sections with 1,200 seats (Biblical 144,000), The Universal Deep Space Transport System is only for the Saints, sane human antimatter forms (Angel Spirits).
Warning this is not a test from the emergency broadcast system. This is a real emergency Revelations. 8:7 The first (The First will be Last) sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
Fallout is the residual radiation hazard from a nuclear war, so called because it "falls out" of the atmosphere after the thousands of explosions. Global radioactive contamination destroyed the fragile atmosphere.
Shut up, stupid.
Evidence of science validating my beliefs?
I will give you 2. First, the Big Bang theory. Prior to this theory the most commonly held belief on the origin of the Universe by the scientific community was that the Universe was static. It had not beginning and likely no end. It just always was. Its hard to suppose a Creator in a Universe that always existed. Of course the scientists were proven wrong, as the Big Bang theory indeed shows that the Universe has a beginning and will likely have an ending.
Second, Near Death Experiences. Scientists today are studying the possibility of our consciousness existing without our physical brain. Mind and Brain to this day has no clear explanation. Literally millions of people claim to have left their bodies and visited another reality during an NDE and OBE. Several of these cases have been verified via things seen or heard when the person is unconscious and or without brain stem activity (let alone a heartbeat or brain waves).
Said people claim virtually every time that the experience was as real as anything they had during their life on Earth, even more so in most cases. So we have eye witness accounts / observable phenomenon – barometers for fact and validity in both the legal and scientific fields. Yet they are denied by close minded individuals who cannot extend their thinking beyond anything materialistic.
Keep in mind many who have experienced NDE's have been scientists, even neurosurgeons (one in particular from Harvard), doctors, and others who's belief systems were deeply influenced by the scientific materialism theory.
Choose for yourself.
You are a psycho dude. Get back on your medicine quick!
Forgot our meds today, did we?
what is this drivel?
Dude, you're on the wrong page. Head on over to the Belief section if you want to spout this stuff. We cover science over here.
Ummm No. I want them to be creators Clarence which is why I task them so much..Yes there will be war but this is apart of the plan..oh and by the way I did not write revelations...its a bad read.
Well, besides having bad math skills and a relatively poor imagination, what else do you got for us?
Your pudding and tracksuit are ready for you sir....
I never heard such a stupid thing.... It's an exo-planet, not paridise... The gravity along would make it very unconfortable for humans. Watch Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
I agree completely that we should produce more safe anti-psychotics ...
I'd need a super-gym membership. I'd weigh about 560 lbs on that super-earth planet !!
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wait till you see the fruit...
traveling at 186,000miles per second for 100 million years is just not gonna happen...ever..not with our resources anyway
You are right, mikey. The problem is that your body turns into plasma before you even get to lightspeed.
No, no, no. They just beam your genome and neural net over and then reconstruct you on the other end.
Wouldn't that be nice! That StarTrek idea was debunked back in the 60's, however.
but what about the hizenburg compensator lol
Wrong! Scientists believe they can do this soon on a microscopic level. Convert matter to energy then re-convert the energy to matter in the same form as the original, but they are talking about miniscule amounts of mater over miniscule distances, and it will probably take massive amounts of energy to do so.
Imagine what they said was impossible 100 years ago.
And we now know even more things that are impossible, Peter. That is the beauty of science. We can now separate fact from fantasy.
Im still waiting for my Jetson flying car.
Even if travelling at or past the speed of light is not possible, other alternatives exist. Putting human space explorers into some kind of cryogenic sleep-state and then waking them later is one. Figuring out how to utilize worm holes to tunnel a straight line through space time instead of going the "long way" is another option (general relativity theorizes to us that the spacetime continuum curves.) A more likely scenario is that humans might have to strike out for the stars over many generations. Build massive ships large enough to live on, and that contain plasma or anti-matter drives, and then many successive generations of people would have to live on the ship until it reached its destination. Of course all of this sounds like the stuff of science fiction today, but so did flying, flying faster than the speed of sound, and flying to the moon once upon a time. That's the joy of the human spirit of ingenuity. We have evolved to this point in our history largely due to our ability to use our creativity and imagination. And I doubt we'll stop. Sure, we may drive ourselves to extinction first, but that's another discussion (and yet another point as to why we must keep reaching for the stars if we want to continue our species' existence.)
To send any kind of spacecraft onto a journey of millions of years would not make sense because it would take such a huge amount of resources to do it. We wouldn't even know if the destination itself would sustain our life, which it probably couldn't. So, it just isn't going to happen. Sad, isn't it?
My thought is that humans will explore space using machine avatars. At the current rate of computer technology advancement, true virtual reality through a robot host will be possible in less than 50 years. There would be no reason to risk a human's fragile body by sending them in to deep space when you can send a machine to interact with that environment in exactly the same way (and possibly with much more capabilities).
The non-locality characteristic of subatomic particles would allow us to relay messages (much like our current day internet) across any distance instantly. This would serve as the means of keeping the human host mind in the machine avatar in real time.
The only piece to the puzzle we haven't yet solved is how to get the machines to the places where we want to visit. We aren't going to want to wait thousands of years let alone millions, so we will need some tricks like you mentioned to get them there.
Great discovery! It would be fascinating if any of the "super earths" had life like here.
lila nasa is wasting its time and money in looking for life form in the outer space,they are a bunch of lunatics,dont care about the life here on earth,which is the best of the creation,human kind
Just like many in 1492 who thought "what do we need with more land"?, I am amused to read some of these comments. A hundred years from now, we just might be inhabiting this new planet as well. Although, let's not screw that one up, please? 🙂
Pliny, with regard to having children.
If you have not noticed, there is a theme to life. Those who think like you do all die, and their children all die, and the way you think eventually dies with you. Those who proclaim The Lord live on and their children live on to proclaim The Lord. GodsPlan1972, and I, only have to deal with you and your children for a little longer, until you die, and your children become my children, if they make it at all. And your way of thinking will die with you. My way of thinking and GodsPlan1972's way of thinking will live on forever.
I have not seen science save anyone for more than a few years. That's not saving. That's prolonging the suffering.
Wow how primative do you have to get...That kind of logic makes you an embarrasement in the eyes of intelligent life in space (if there are any, chances are that there is).
The idea of dying gives you the willies doesnt it RC? That why you try so desperately to cling to the idea of life after death.
Nope. I have already died and I am born again. I'll never die again! Why do you think I'm so excited about The Lord?!?!
It is death that fears me, not the other way around! I have the blood of Jesus! Woo Hoo! Who's with me?
Ah a troll, im sorry, i thought you were being serious.
Science can live on forever. And what's better is there's actual documentation when new revelations are found. The Bible was written some 500 years AFTER the death of all the apostles and Jesus had died. There's no real proof other than EXTREMELY biased stories of how Jesus did this and God did that. Scientific discoveries are generally updated and logged the moment they are discovered, providing that the person stays unbiased and gives accurate information. I'm not a believer in God but I respect those that do. But I just wish some narrow minded people would at least induldge in possiblities of other things out there.
Saved, how so? If people had a grip on linguistics and the way the brain functions you would have a better grasp on the concept that thinking something does not make it true. Keep believing that there is a life after your body perishes, because that's not just some childish fantasy to avoid reality.
Whysoangry, you sound so innocent to me. As though you have not yet figured out that you are serving someone. At the end or your life, your whole life will be counted as in service to someone. I do not serve who it is that you are serving. That is, if you devote your whole life to the furthering of the Theory of Relativity, then your whole life will be counted in service to a Jew named Einstein.
What I am saying is that you are futhering someone ELSE's ideas. Your ideas are BASED on SOMEONE ELSE. And your whole life is in SERVICE to this SOMEONE ELSE. Your ideas will not exist if the theories that they are founded on are proved wrong. Will YOU exist then? Who ARE you?
Who is this SOMEONE ELSE? What is his name? Is it Einstein? Is it Ford? Is it your dad? Is it your Uncle? Is it Jesus?
We are all in service to someone. The only thing scarier than that is to be in service to ONLY YOURSELF. For SOMEONE is your god. And if you serve ONLY YOURSELF, then are you all alone out here, believing in 16 new planets?
My ma taught me better than that.
FocusShift, are you suggesting that there are no such thing as spirits? It sounds to me that you are trying to say that your generation (of man) suddenly had an ephiphany that spirits don't exist, and that all the generations before you were too stupid to understand science, and so invented spirits. It is more likely that this generation is too stupid to realize that spirits exist, and so invented science.
If you put your argument in that fashion than I can as well.
Let's turn all those questions back at you.
At least with the way you put it I have an actual person or persons from which I can either believe or not believe.
I'm not saying there never was a Jesus or a God,
but to be quite frank, Who are YOU really serving?
An unknown source of great and almighty power that may or may not exist?
Either way we're put at a disadvantage here. No one person has the right or wrong answer.
And in the end. We are alone. When you die, you die alone as an individual. I do not believe in life after death. That just becomes contradictory.
Live your life the way you want. It'll end whether you like it or not.
And yes. I do know I serve someone or something. Whether I know it or not doesn't matter.
And even if I dind't serve anyone but myself, what is so wrong with that? Anyone has the power to decide what they want for themselves.
My point in this discussion is that any evidence can be proven invalid if you have people willing to fight for what they believe.
I could make people believe that 1+1=3 if that was the case.Providing enough sound eveidence could turn people to believe my theory. But again its is up to the individual to decide.
Do your homework. I've done mine in both the 3 Abrahamic religions and astronomy.
WhySoAngry,
My God is unknown to you, not to me. With regard to whether or not He exists, well, He reveals himself to whom He will. I do know this. It is a faith thing. That is, if you read the first two verses Genesis, there was nobody there to witness the event (of creation). Only the Father (Genesis 1:1) and the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:2) were there. And since there is no way back to the Father except by the Holy Spirit (The Lord who is one with Jesus), we have to depend soley on the Holy Spirit to get us back. It is written, I am the Lord (Holy Spirit) your God. You shall have no gods before me.
With regard to life after death, it is written that it is given for a man ONCE to die, and then the kingdom. You also sound like you do not believe that spirits exist. Are you so ignorant of your own body to not realize that you have not only flesh and blood, but also a spirit and a soul?
Sincerely, I tell you, my life has already ended. And when it ended, someone picked me up and gave me new life. And I'll live forever now. Or do you not believe that saints actually exist? I'm one of them, however unpopular among them.
I'm glad that I am writing to someone who at least has the intelligence to know that he is serving someone, most on this board have not thought about their lives that far.
And, yes, you could make some people believe what you want them to believe. Not this person. I know who I am. My bloodline is listed in the book of Saint Matthew, and I am Jesus' direct living relative. Not only am I Jesus brother, but I am also His son.
Stop blindly accepting ancient mythology as fact. It's just ancient myths. It has nothing at all to do with reality. If you were born in India, you would argue just as strongly for Hinduism. Because you would have been brainwashed practically from birth to believe it. But you were born in the West so you were brainwashed practically from birth to believe in the Christian myth. Use logic and reason and science to look at reality, not an archaic old book of ancient mythology.
There is absolutely no evidence to support the theory that there is life anywhere in the universe other than planet earth. Life on this planet is not the accident of time and chance, it is the intentional and well planned result of a creative act by God. And yet the media continue to portray individuals who hold this view as superstituous mental midgets. What hypocrisy!
You sir, are an idiot.
That's because they ARE "superstituous mental midgets"
only fools, talk about GOD while using SCIENCE like the internet to denounce life on other worlds
pick one idiot....GOD or SCIENCE you cant have both.....fool
Oh contrar mofrar. I am a staunch believer in both God and Science. Science only validates my belief in God. Science and God are not mutually exclusive.
Of course some on both sides like to think Science and God cannot coexist. Yet, none can seem to prove that position.
"Science only validates my belief in God."
Evidence please. Otherwise, shush.
But Steve, science taxes my feeble mind, and must be a creation of an invisible Sky Daddy. You're welcome.
lancemick, receiving a christian education at a christian school where they spin the facts to make it seem aligned with the bible isn't real science. it also means you have the reading level of a 3rd grader.
Not true I believe in both. And a good open minded individual can believe in both, I mean, to believe that we are not an experiment of GOD's to me sounds like you lack the ability to look outside of your own little bubble and accept that you nor any of us no it all. Nor will we ever until shared with us by the al knowing ever omniscient ever present GOD.
But we were given the want to know. Which is why science exists, the search for the "why are we here" answer. Which is a spiritual question by the way. So don't cast dispersions and make blank statements like, "science or GOD pick one". Because and intelegent loving brother of yours might respond with a kindly,"No I prefer to believe in both!
really? Then explain why I exsist?
Your parents had intercourse.
So you are God, huh? Wanna try explaining how the Holy Spirit is The Lord God? How did you become God without The Lord?
After millions of years of evolution, your parents were born into this world from their parents and so on and so forth. They met one day, fell in love, then had sex. Hence you...It's that simple.
Blake,
I am a believer. Pray tell me why there cannot be life on another planet besides Earth? How is this concept blasphemous in your eyes?
Isn't God free to create life wherever he wants?
actually, the earth is the result of some potato salad i left in my fridge too long. signed, god.
winner
LOL Awesome.
The truth is far more beautiful then the fictitious father you worship.
I hate people like you. People who cant see or are in denial about things like this. People who think God is all and nothing else. I believe in God but i also believe in life on other planets. there are several hundred planets in space there is bound to be life on one of them even though there is no evidence. Youd say the same thing if i said theres no proof of God so who says he exists.
And GoD wants you to believe in yourself. Gah.. was the frist human language so Gah evolve to God i think
Who said that God is all and nothing else?
Mental midgets like you, not that long ago (you may still of course) claimed the earth was flat, the sun rotated around earth and plant Earth is 6000 years old ... hilarious.
Um... for the record, it was scientists at that time who claimed these things..
Um, Lancemick,
Scientists 6000 years ago? Pray tell, exactly what 'scientific' training would these individuals have received?
Perhaps, but when other scientists discovered that the universe did not revolve around the earth the church imprisoned them and denounced them for blasphemy.
Which I believe is the point here.
Incorrect, Lancemick. A scientist is nothing more or less than someone who follows the scientific method. The "scientists" of whom you speak did not follow such a method; ergo, they were not and are not scientists.
It was the Church ... speaking against the Biblical interpretation was punishable ...
What if your "god" "created" life on these other planets too?
"my cousin, Phil, created these other planets, and boy is he bad it it. signed, god."
So you don't think God can, or wants to or has the right to place life elsewhere? He can do whatever he wants... And how and why it's done is imaterial. He may have decided to just place the "ingredients" and watch how it all evolved... I would never be so bold as to second guess God or declare that he can or can't do ANYTHING. That is arrogant.
blake...you must live in the middle ages if you still believe that fairy tale.
The only thing for which there is ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF is the existence of god
You're a narrow-minded dumbass
Just as there is absolutely no evidence to support the claim that God exists. Life, however, is absolutely rare in the universe and seems to have been wasted on a small minded, backward thinking person such as yourself.
Its hard for me to believe that people still actually believe in religion? Religion and the belief of something greater was used in Acient times, for people to understand the unknown. For it to still be happening in this day and age is ridiculous. It is proven scientific fact that we evolved from a single cell organism. It is people that think Christianity should be taught in schools, their is no global warming, and that a Republican should be president, are the type of people that will eventually destroy this planet we live on now.
Amen brother!
What is god? Is god a person? is god of this universe or outside of it? As a scientist I am always saddened by the total lack of appreciation for the creator when I hear someone speak with authority about god. God is a concept that most people cannot even begin to appreciate, especially when I hear that God is a person (which gender?, which race?) and has a chosen people and inspired many authors to create books to govern us on earth. Shame on all of those people who pretend to know what God wants and shame on anyone who believes that the universe is devoid of life and shouldn't be explored, for you are truly a scourge on humanity.
Actually, you can believe in God and extraterrestrials. I have a good friend who is a Catholic Priest and I posed that very pickle to him. Turns out, the Vatican even has an explanation for if we every do contact another intelligent civilization. Basically it all has to do with the idea that we are created in the image of God. This does not mean our physical bodies are created in the image of God, it means our souls are created in His image. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to believe that God has not also created many other civilizations across the Universe in that very image. While they may end up looking nothing like us physically, they could still have a soul just like us, created in the image of God.
What if aliens turn out to be god-less, soul-less killing machines. That'll punch some hole in that theory.
Are you really that closed minded to think that on one hand God created the Universe with an intentional act, but on the other hand we are the only life forms he could possibly create.
What makes us so special?
Wow... then that was a HUGE waste of real estate on my part!
My bad!
Prove it.
fermi's paradox
I believe that there is life on other planets simply because of percentages. There are untold billions of stars in the universe and many will have planets that orbit them. Life forms on these planets may be different from life forms on this planet but, there will be life of some kind on some of them. As for visiting them or life on them visiting us, I don't know if that will ever be possible. Humans being humans it probably would be a disaster anyway.
I read a few years back an article of Star Trek like things that could possibly come to be. Warp speed is one that scientists say could happen. No warp speed, No going there for humans.
Traveling even close to the speed of light turns our bodies into plasma, Mp3trojan. No getting around that, unfortunately.
Oh come on, Kirk and Spock never turned to plasma, Han Solo and Chewie never turned to plasma....but maybe that's because they had Scotty and R2-D2 on board to keep those things from happening.
AFAIK, warp speed doesn't involve travelling at light speed but rather involves "warping" the space around the "vehicle" such that space and therefore distance is compressed around the warp "bubble" eliminating the requirement for the "vehicle" to travel the distance in conventionally uncompressed space. This means enormous distances are travelled quickly without the need to achieve light speed. Just sayin.....
Wow, this is great news! Think of all the Home Depots, McDonalds' and Wal-Marts that could be set up on that huge planet...
We are like the aliens in "Independence Day". If we were anywhere within rocket distance of a fresh new planet, we'd unfortunately already be there destroying the beings there and industrializing it.
Well said and true.
We already are. It's called Mars.
Yeah, but there's nothing there...unless we plan to create "Venusville" like in Total Recall...and aliens were there way before us and created an atmosphere generator that just requires a human handprint to activate it...
What is sad here concerning these articles on astronomy is that it seems that 50% of the people who comment are ultra-religious, crackhead zealots, and only about 10% of the people on here are asking legitimate questions and behaving intelligently. I can only hope that this is not representative of the entire population. This is why I choose to stay at home a lot and not get out much 🙂
I completely relate..but I'm working on them slowly...I have very big job managing the multi-verse.
Must be pretty lonely sitting around playing Stratego and watching Star Wars all day.
they are not representative of the population – they are just a small group with a lot of free time on their hands 😉 less inflammatory people tend to be busy with more important things than news commentary (wait... what does that say about me 😉 .... cheers 🙂
"The majority of the supid is invincible, and guaranteed for all time."
-Albert Einstein
I fear that is IS representative of the entire population, at least in the U.S.
Zealots have to repeat their idiocy to attempt to convince themselves and others that what they say is true. Factual people have no such desire.
What is the point of discovering exoplanet that may contain life? Space travel is still primitive and incapable of reaching them anyway. How long do you think we would spend in space to travel ONE light year? Who's willing to spend that much time?
Exactly right, David. What gets me is how even some astronomers seem to get into a state of fantasy when they start talking about inhabiting other worlds.
thats funny, i dont remember them talking about us inhabiting any planet once in this article.
First off, nobody said we were going to start building condos there anytime soon. Secondly, why wouldn't you ask the question of "how can we accomplish this"? Do we have the technology to do it now? Perhaps our governments are closer than we know. Perhaps they're not. But we didn't exactly know how to build a plane, bullet train, unmanned drone, space shuttel, supercomputer, atom smasher, etc etc on day one of those projects either.
If it hurts thinking this much that's cool
you will send self sustaining droids in advance of your arrival. You will design advanced hibernation systems that will feed you and convert your waste to energy..you will evolve unless you decide to destroy your planet.
First, finding life away from Earth would likely be one of the greatest discoveries of all time. Second, do you think humans of a few centuries ago thought it possible for us to land on the moon?
We strive for the "impossible".
Landing on the moon was one of man's greatest achievements. But the travel to other solar systems is just in a whole different class of problems. And sadly, they simply cannot be overcome.
MadCow...
120 years ago flight was considered impossible. Airplanes simply did not exist.
The Kitty Hawk flight was December 17, 1903
Man landed on the moon July 20, 1969
In less than 66 years we went from being bound to the earth to stepping on the moon.
Anyone you would have spoken to in 1902 would have said that landing on the moon was simply impossible.
You simply never know.
Madcow, once again, your OPINION is that they cannot be overcome. You shouldn't state opinions as facts. I'm pretty sure you do not know the fate of the human race.
Give me a trillion dollars, 3000 engineers, and the US's nuclear stockpile, and I could have a craft built that could get to Alpha Centauri in under 50 years.
Imagine what humanity could do in 2000 years if it manages to make it that far, without any technological setbacks? You may not think it probable, but its not impossible.
It might be possible to communicate with them, that could be worth a lot. Going there isn't everything.
Not likely, topspy. Even if we received a transmission from something just a million light-years away, their species might have been long extinct by the time you get it!
The discovery of another habitable planet could be just the thing to spur enthusiasm and investment in space travel that could accomplish such a thing! That being said, i'm with you that we are a long way away. Traveling to a planet a mere 20-light years away (across the street in the scheme of the universe) would take thousands of years with current technology. Definitely not a manned flight.
These are all just baby steps in the process. No one is talking about visiting these planets during our lifetime. All of these findings contribute to future endeavors.
Our own species will be long extinct before it is even remotely possible.
That is the same argument against the study of genetics, as one cannot alter the DNA of every cell in a human at present, so why study it?
The answer is simple in two fronts.
1: To learn new things. Is there something wrong with studying the universe? That IS what astronomers do.
2: What is impossible today be well become quite possible tomorrow. Consider the early 1900's, we went from the Wright brothers crude airplane to monoplanes made of metal in a generation and change. Technology has only increased in the speed of development of new technologies.
Every discovery made does not have immediate applications, but, many, many have LATER applications.
Yet, you would rob our children and grandchildren from THEIR newest advances by claiming ANY research is a waste.
All the while not paying a dime toward that research that you object to.
One of the great joys of science, and the very reason for it, is to understand the LIMITS of nature. We have discovered a bunch of fundamental truths now, Wzrd1. This isn't just a technological problem anymore. I am all in favor of pursuing more knowledge, but you can forget about wasting energy trying to inhabit a planet outside of our solar system. It ain't possible to get there. Period.
Great points! Totally agree!
Madcow, you're totally wrong. Its unlikely, but not impossible.
You don't Fly you just dirft out there, the problem then would be oxygen consumption
Why do we only think within the confines of our own short lifespans?
If it's so will Mankind repeat it self ? Interesting enough .
Can we send all the liberals and anyone else who hates America there?
LOL, by the way.
Stupid much?
NO!
While you're at it..why don't you ship off all the Mexicans and African-Americans and Arabs and Asians. Then you can ship off all the white people with funny accents and the homosexuals. Then the people who don't drive the same cars you like and the people who don't mow their lawns as frequently as you do. And then you will question, 'Why is everyone the same and boring as me on this planet?' DEAL with your fellow Americans instead of just passing them off as inadequate. You might find you have more common ground than you realize.
Funny I think it is you that hates America, not "us liberals". I actually Love my country very much which is why I cannot stand watching morons like yourself destroy it any longer. Idiot go back in your cave.
Can a SINGLE article about science NOT involve politics or religion. Seriously, is politics and religion ALL some of you people think about? Can't even read a science article and sit back and articulate an intelligent comment about the article?
"Liberals and anyone else that hates America"........I hope that your examination of America haters extends to both sides of the aisle.
Agreed!
How about we send everyone who wants to exile citizens of this nation into deep space with a week's provisions?
Hey guys, can we all just have a laugh and stop being so serious? If you don't like it, send him a clever reply back, but don't take it so seriously. I may be wrong, but I think our friend here was just joking.
That would be great. Maybe if only liberals are there we can have a world where people work together for the betterment of all people and turn our backs on creed and corruption.
Aren't we already 'pets' of the system we have created, and continue to perpetuate?
Oh – sorry – 'slaves' is nearer the truth of this reality! At least most pets are provided for.
The issue with habitable planets is not just the distance (which is HUGE) but something much more basic. Gravity. Just try walking on a planet that has 3.5 times the mass of earth. We would really need to find a planet with the same mass and living conditions... it's possible for sure. We will find more unsuitable ones over those in which we could live on, walk on, breath on, and survive the viruses and bacteria on these worlds. But lets first start by figuring out FST (Folded Space Transport) seems a good way to bridge the distances.
The distance IS INDEED a critical issue, Kevin, although gravity is certainly another one. We cannot invest in any spacecraft that would transport ourselves to a place millions of light-years from here on a whim that it MIGHT have conditions that are amenable to us.
You'll get used to the gravity once you'll settle. you weight train don't you ?
I agree with all of what you said. I was thinking about the 'folding space-time' theories, myself, while I read the article. However, you have to understand that we are still decades behind the kind of technology that you are referring to. The reason why they are talking about 'super Earths' is because they are not yet able to identify planets of a similar mass as Earth. Super Earths are all that they can see right now. Surely, though, it won't be long before they can identify a planet with similar mass that is able to sustain life.
You're exactly right about FST. The distance to this planet alone is 36 light years away. I believe with our fastest satellite it would take roughly 641,000 + years to get there. Even if we could travel at the speed of light... it would take us 36 years to get there which is theoretically the fastest speed anything can travel in space. Either humans aren't meant to travel through space or we will have to learn how to create and control wormholes.
You are right, Dustin. And the problem is that we cannot even approach the speed of light without turning into plasma.
The shortest distance between two points is not traveling along the straight line between them, it is bending the two points together.
Dustin, "Humans aren't made to travel...", an ancient argument against trains moving faster than 40 MPH, faster than which it was thought humans would be unable to breathe. An argument against manned flight through the air. An argument against manned space travel, either into orbit OR to the moon.
Yet, we've overcome our physical limitations through innovations in technology.
Perhaps wormhole travel technology may become possible. Maybe folding space will be the answer. Maybe something else. Maybe nothing.
Who can truly tell what the future holds?
It might not be possible for humans to ever survive space travel outside of our own solar system. You know this might sound ridiculous, but I think the only way we would ever be able to get humans on another planet was to send our genetic code over on a spaceship that was unmanned, and then initiating a cloning process once the ship gets there. There are a whole host of problems with this, but i'm sure it would be easier to manage than if we tried to have people actually survive the voyage.
No one would expect for the same crew to travel those distances and arrive at their destination alive. Just as humans reproduce and adapt to life on earth and are taught the basic fundamentals to be productive and survive in their environments, the same would be done in the journey to new planets. A colony would need to be established to survive in space environments. The colony would be expected to reproduce and teach their offspring the fundamentals to survive in space as well as the mission once arriving to the destination. Eventually they will reach the destination, it wont be the original crew or the original commanders but it's not impossible. So, knowing if a planet is life sustainable prior to taking such a journey is key. If a global disaster is eminent and foreseeable, our only hope for survival is fleeing and inhabiting, colonizing or teraforming another planet knowing our best options would be nice whether extraterrestrial life exists on it or not.
3.5 gravity would induce a heart attack within a matter of hours.
There is no life anywhere else....get over it. This earth is all we have. Scientists are non believeing jokes....sad.
Okay..geniusforall says theres no life anywhere!!
We can all stop worrying about it now!!!
Thanks Genius...you really saved us all a lot of time and worry.
I guess you're one of those people who still believe the Earth is flat too?
If you read any scientific journals, genious, then you will see that it is indeed quite likely that there is life elsewhere.
and if you read the Bible you will see there is not and you are a fool. darn troll
Ken, please keep religious fantasies out of this.
Ken, I truly hope that you don't base your life on an ancient work of fiction.
Ken: You come to a thread based on scientific news and you spout your pseudo-christian crap and then have the nerve to call us trolls? Look in the mirror! Go away troll!
Your type of ignorance is what stops the progress of our world.. thats sad.
Amen
You. Are. A. Genius. (I hope you can sense the sarcasm)
That's right genius, there can't be life anywhere else in the universe because the earth is flat and everything revolves around the earth.
Yeah, and the Sun orbits the Earth, the Earth is unchanging and stars are merely lights painted on the bowl of the sky. At least that is what your religion has said for a thousand years and change.
On every point, your religion was PROVED wrong. Yet, idiots like you persist in insisting that the world is EXACTLY as the bible was written.
I guess you never told fairy tales to your children and explained how babies were born in physical detail, rather than a convenient story that COULD be understood.
For all of those suggesting that there is no life outside of this planet, please provide proof. Thanks.
PERRY RULES!!!
Agreed. Just purchased that song as I had not heard it in forever!
Perry does indeed rule.
At the very least, he ruled. We'll see what the next J.A. album has to offer soon.
I hope they find a habitable planet and develop the means to travel there, so we can colonize it and thereby increase the human race's chances of survival.
Sorry, petercha. It is not possible now, nor will it ever be. The distances are too great.
Yeah, they used to say heavier than air flight was impossible too.
And a trip to the moon? They would have locked you up in the loony bin.
Never speak in absolutes.
Kerry, this is one issue on which you can INDEED speak in absolutes. Even Arthur C. Clarke had to admit this one.
We use to say it was imposable the earth was round. We also use to say its imposable there is anything smaller than an atom. To say we will never colonize planets outside our solar system shows a great deal of ignorance and an amazing lack of understanding for the exponential inherencies in technological evolution. Just because you, MADCOW, will never do this does not mean it an impossibility
Supersonic flight was utterly impossible. Humans and our materials could not withstand it.
Travel to the moon was equal to a statement of impossibility.
Yet, we've overcome each "impossibility". With time, research and effort, we develop the technology to overcome our limitations.
Can you prove that we will never be able to travel such a distance?
Just remember the saying "Nothing is impossible. The impossible just takes longer."
It's impossible with anything we currently have built, yes.
Please send me a link to your Clarke quote, I'd love to read it.
We could send a craft to our nearest stellar neighbor in just decades with nuclear pulse technology. We figured this out in the 60's (lookup Project Orion). There's nothing keeping us from building it, other than the staggering cost, the will to do so, and treaties that prohibit us from detonating nuclear devices in space.
All Star Trek hocus pocus. I can not believe people still fall for this talk of science fiction. There is only one world and one God and to contradict it is only blasphemy in His eyes. Very sad. Very very sad.
You are very sad oh blind one. Oh yes, and "can not," is one word. Fool
Go troll somewhere else. Its clear you are a non-believer attempting to troll atheists. I am an actual believer, and I definitely believe in life away from Earth.
Troll?
ditto
totally agree.....anyone who does not is a sad ignorant fool.
^^ evolve with the rest of us^^^
I believe they call god the creator..why on earth would he create one earth and fill it with stupid people?
AND stick that "special" Earth out in the boonies, in an obscure arm of an average galaxy, leaving billions of galaxies barren.
I don't get how people still believe in god or gods. Earth and the Human race are stop the center of the universe.
I'm good(Earth and the Human race are stop the center of the universe.) Earth and the Human race are not the center of the universe.
And the Earth is flat.
Ya, it's not like 80% of the stuff on Star Trek is present today or anything ...
you would be foolish to think, in all of gods greatness, that it wasn't God's plan from the beginning to create a universe in which we can discover and learn from. dont forget we are reflections of the divine and were created in his image. trust me buddy, God knows exactly what he is doing. you cant personify god and you can not tell me that you know exactly what the intentions are of god because face it, this world is one of limitless possibilities which very well makes the universe a place of infinite probabilities.
Here is what I've never understood about people who are highly religious (I'm not religious at all, but very scientific minded) and fully believe that we are alone in the universe and evolution is hocus pocus. Do you not at least accept that there are other planets in the galaxy? I'm assuming the answer is yes because you can see the moon with the naked eye and several planets quite easily with low powered magnification. You can see stars in the sky which may or may not be objects relatively similar in nature to our own solar system.
Why would your God create these objects and then not inhabit them with some form of life? Maybe this life is nowhere near what we have here, but perhaps. Why would this life form not evolve in some way? Either through God's guidance or evolutionary processes. Then as this life form continues to evolve and become more intelligent, why wouldn't that life question what else is in their galaxy (ie us) and possibly try to reach us?
I don't get how religous people are so blind to at least exploring the possibilities around them. That to me is the saddest of all of it.
Why did God allow mankind to understand science, if it cannot be used to interpret the world around us?
LOL
Admit it GodsPlan1972... if we had the capability to visit this planet and colonize it, you and all you other Jesus-Freaks would be the first to try to hop on board and "CLAIM THE PLANET IN THE NAME OF YOUR IDEA OF GOD." Seriously, admit it. Christianity and all other religions has caused so many wars and death. That my friend, is what I call evil. So, once again... if we can travel to these planets, please stay here. We don't want evil following us. It's ok to grow up and become an adult and learn about life for yourself. Bedtime stories are done. I am saddened by your ignorance.
PS: once upon a time, the idea of communicating with people across the world with a computer in real time was Star Trek hocus pocus. Oh wait! It's not even mentioned in the bible. Yet, here you are... using it to spread ancient ignorance. I'm not taking any more of your posts or replies serious until you learn how to write them on stone tablets and bring them to me personally in an ark. I'm serious.
GodsPlan1972, I beg you to remove yourself from this conversation for everyone's sake...please.
I'll see your "conversation" and raise you a "the gene pool".
the cosmic chlorine level is *definitely* runnin' a little low, these days, ain't it??
is a 12 foot telescope even that big?
That's what she said...
Zing
A telescope is judged by the diameter of it's main, or objective, mirror, mark. The length of the tube is actually much longer, depending on the focal length.
I hope they never find another planet that we can reach. Why would we go there and destroy another one like we have this one?
You certainly don't have to worry about that, Scaramouche. We will NEVER be able to inhabit anything outside of our solar system, contrary to what the movies would suggest. The distances are just too vast.
That is your opinion. It's not actually impossible.
Nothing in relativity prevents multi-generational ships. Power it with ion drive, nuclear pulse, or even more esoteric drives like hydrogen ramjet or light sail.
I'm not saying its very likely that we will spend the resources necessary to make such a project. But certainly not impossible.
hopefully man will evolve to greater mental sophistication but that is decades into the future and so is the technology to travel such vast distances.
It's in our nature to destroy ourselves. It's bad enough that most humans don't respect this planet we live on. We take it for granted that it will always be here and will always be able to use up it's resources and leave trash everywhere, polute the oceans and the atmosphere and the very ground we walk and live on. In the grander scheme of things, humans haven't been here for very long, and if the last century has taught us anything, if we don't change, we won't be here much longer.
If we don't learn from our lessons of today, and the past, let us die out on this planet and not infect another one.
Laura, there is a lot of truth in what you write,; however, you do not quite understand the nature of the human race. Our true nature is that we react AFTER the event. Rarely do we anticipate disasters. After the Titanic sank, ships all over the world got adequate lifeboats and radio transmitters. That tragedy was the beginning of "S.O.S." Airplane crashes were the beginning of "Mayday." Color coded daily threat levels (and a bunch of other measures) were the reaction to 9/11. France chose not to oppose Hitler when his Third Reich thing was small. That decision cost millions of lives.
If we didn't, in the end, prefer creation over destruction, then nothing would ever be built, and we'd have no civilization at all. The anti-humanity crowd may want to keep that in mind.
c s lewis said-paraphrased-pray that mankind never reach another planet lest we pass on our iniquity to another race
the ceo of nasa was asked "what are we doing?" – "were looking for a place to go"
i said "we better learn to take care of our spaceship-earth"
Wrong, XRaDiiX. You need to get some science education.
Good point, XRaDiiX. These misanthropic people (if you can call them that) drive me nuts.
How long before we can find another one we can trash?
Maybe you should kill yourself so as to not pollute the earth anymore.
Kna knaaaa us our earth recorces and still the earth's core for a warp drive engine :))
Kna knaaaa...... use our earth recoarces and steel the earths core for a warp drive engine 🙂 My corrections. To bad I was raised to type it fast and go back and edit.
You still don't have it right...Try "resources" and "steal."
This is great but where is the data on how they know the planets are possibly life producing environments? This technology is in its infant steps so saying they could be earthlike is highly skeptical and irresposible.
Because its in the Habitable Zone Ding Dong
Where Liquid Water could be present if the Atmosphere Conditions are right.
You are spitting the same rhetoric that they told Columbus. Had he believed them you would probably have been born in Europe. The world is round my friend, not square!
Finding other planets is interesting and all but, of what practical use is it? Unless there's some huge scientific break through we'll never see them. And assuming we could travel near light speed, it would take perhaps 100's of years to get there. Why waste money looking out when we should be looking in. Besides, if there were intelligent life out there, we would have found it by now.
Harry harry harry,
Your assumptions are all very narrow minded. Not saying that you are narrow minded, but clearly you need more information about what is happening in the universe. Exploring is a human condition. We are driven to do it. Part of our evolution. The discoveries that scientist find out there are crucial to our continuing existence. Earth is transient, not here forever. The earth could make it another 5 billion years (until our sun goes super-nova) or we could be destroyed by a previously unseen astroid today. Understanding our place in the universe brings us closer to some crucial answers as to why we even exist, let alone giving us options for how we will continue to exist.
If there were intelligent life out there, they would have found US by now. Our nations can't even communicate with one another, let alone beings in outer space.
I just love how people speak on here like the absolutely know everything there is to know.
They already have found us. Most just too scared of "Hell" & Damnation to actually believe it.
Please site a source for that matter-of-fact statement.
Do you realize that the entire human race has existed for only the tinyest fraction of an instant when compared to the age of the universe? Its foolish to claim that we would have been found "by now", as if you were referring to a long period of time.
Earth and human history is the most insignificant spec in the incomprehensible size and age of this universe.
The engineering and technological innovations and breakthroughs that allow for the scientists to discover these planets alone are worth the investment. We don't have to visit these earths and chances are we won't for the next 200 years. But the very edge of engineering and technology is being pushed to realize these dreams. NASA landed a man on the moon. You can say big freaking deal. The journey towards landing a man on the moon allowed for so many technological innovations that we use everyday today and they were made possible by the research and spending done by NASA. We don't have to go to these earths but we have to push the boundaries of what our technological capabilities are. That is a lot of trial and error but once it works, then the private sector can take that idea and run away with it. The entire Silicon Valley is testament to this. Government Research to push the barriers of engineering and technology and let the entrepreneurs pick the best flowers and create beautiful gardens.
Why? Because I speak the real truth of God?
Fail troll is fail. Nice try though.
When the Bible was written, people still believed that the sun revolved around the Earth....idiot!
Truth of what? How is truth to you, truth to me? How can truth even be applied in this way? Truth does not exist if it requires blind belief.
No because apparently you need that planet to smash into you before you accept that planets exist. Sigh...I suppose you don't believe that dinosaurs exist either becuase they're not mentioned in the bible.
LOL ur probably in ur 40's, not married, and a loser. Yeah ur a jesus nut.
Hey godsplan1972 how can you say its science fiction. Have you ever seen god in the physical form? Yea thats doubtful, so wouldn't that be science fiction. Open a book besides the bible and educate yourself.
No because you are are a fucking moron.
it is the truth according to you my son...many mysteries remain and my children are doing a great job finding them out slowly
lmfao!!
First we log earth and remove all non-renewable resources, then move on to there. Drill baby drill, perhaps we should send Sarah Palin there ahead to test drill for us...
good...good...now someone need to invent the warp drive 🙂
I'll take stargates or wormholes...whatever, just get me off this planet.
This is good news because we will surely have destroyed this planet by the time we can reach there. We need a new planet to exploit.
And how exactly does this help us solve the massive problems we have on this planet?
It's Obama's fault.
Haha okay, this cracked me up I gotta admit.
In the Bible there is no mention of other "planets" or "solar systems", only the world in which we live. Science further tries to lie to us about so-called 'things' in space and even to this day evolution ("EVILution" to me).
I sure hope this was sarcasm...
The Bible never mentioned oxygen or big macs either I guess those are lies too.
And you wonder why atheist think we religious are crazy
Religious only lead to more sacrifice's.
You people are irritating. Just leave the internet. Now.
It's foolish remarks like yours that give religion a bad name. Why is it that religion...especially among the more conservative practitioners...has become synomous with ignorance, division, and intolerance?
GodsPlan1972: You're an idiot if you truly believe that.
Bible? More like "Babble" to me.
I CANNOT figure out if you're serious or not. +1 just for that.
can you say ~ brainwashed?
...and yet you are writing a message into the "space" of the internet. Pretty sure SCIENCE is responsible for the computer, electricity and internet that you are using to espouse your condemnation of Science. Typical hypocritical, pick-and-choose religious zealot. Go back to your cave and draw on some walls if you don't like science....or open your mind to the numerous facts that are right before you.
Super message!
What facts are you talking about in the case of this article? Have you seen or touched the "life" that they are talking about? Science is nothing more than another religion. It takes "faith" on your part to believe that there is life on other planets. There is zero, I repeat zero proof. So it looks like you science zealots believe in things you can't see as well. Hypocrites! Oh the irony.
Science is based on reality. Facts, not superstitious nonsense. Religion is based on ancient mythology.
of'course there are other planets and even other solar systems.. the universe God created is huge.. there have to be more planets.. there are billion of galaxies and trillions of stars.. however i do believe we are the only living ones. its obvious there are other planets though.
I doubt we are the only planet with life. Someday we will find some sentient life elsewhere. I just hope this world is still alive by then.
This article is about science, not ancient mythology. Religion is ancient mythology, nothing more. It has nothing to do with scientific reality.
Holy crap.....people still really think this way? This PLANET is doomed...
Please, please, please tell us that you're just being provocative and that here in the 21st century there really isn't anyone so cut off from reality that they actually think this way.
You are possibly the most blind and foolish person I've ever had the misfortune to see comment on a news article. I feel more idiotic by having read your idiotic comment.
LOL.. Evolution has more validity than anything written in the Worlds oldest story book. You do realize that the old testament was not written down until centuries after the facts by way of stories. Think of the game Telephone: Stories get embellished and altered through passing. The Bible is nothing to put your faith in.
Godsplan you need to get a life rather than have a religion be your life.
Please remove your self from the science blog. You have zero scientific input, a bogus theory (ID), and refuse the need to provide evidence to your findings. Go back to the teachings of your book and leave the sciences to people with open minds.
Are you really that dence or are you just trying to provoke?
If you truely believed only what the bible tells you, you would not even be reading this blog.
I can't help but think that this comment was written by an extreme liberal, or at least an extreme anti-theist, to show Christianity in a false light. And two of you fell for it.
A Liberal? Seriously? Ever heard of the "Christian Right" ???
#######petercha
I can't help but think that this comment was written by an extreme liberal, or at least an extreme anti-theist, to show Christianity in a false light. And two of you fell for it.
Nope, probably written by a right wing nut
but you seem to have a problem with liberals.
I would say that the biggest liberal in history was Jesus Christ.
Toga, long hair and sandles,
hung around with 12 guys, preaching love.
Please explain what your problem is with liberals ?
Could it be that the Republican party has taught you that being liberal is bad ?
Clear your mind before you lose it.
Hmmm.. Interesting.. So are pictures of space fake to you then? Believe in what you want, but seeing is believing. When is the last time you saw God or an angel for that matter?
And so you would rather believe that there is a white-haired robed guy floating in the clouds that made the entire universe in six days (how did you count days before the sun was born?). You take this on faith from a book that was written by sheepherders several thousand years ago, who had no concept of science. Hmmmm....Then you criticize what scientists can see and measure, and the enormity of the universe. Please go back to your cave and wait for the 2nd coming. It's almost here!
/highfive
Lol Ok buddy because reading a book written by sheep farmers 2000 years ago is going to progress your thinking.
Ignorance my friend you are the Definition of it 🙂
So... you're saying that science and religion are 100% mutually exclusive? That science "lies" to you about things that are known to be facts? Even if god created man, are you telling us that you refuse to believe in the existence of the human spleen? That's not mentioned in the bible either, but I assure you it's there, like it or not.I believe that either side of this argument, religious or scientific would be severely amiss and ignorant without at least a respect for the opposing belief. God may have in-fact created man, but would it not stand to reason that maybe he made improvements along the way? Such as evolution? Or should things such as the human pancreas just not exist in religious lights because the bible never mentioned adrenaline?
...and to follow up my previous statement. If science lies, you should probably stop posting comments on your computer, because I don't remember the bible mentioning high-speed fiber-optic communications either. ...and on the 8th day, he said "there shall be overpriced DSL".
Religion and the concept of a God were created by humans to control and govern little minds like yours, and to give purpose to people who can not fathom how to survive in a society without someone telling them what to do. I'm glad to see it is working well for you.
GodsPlan1972: So based on your reading of the bible, there no such thing as "space", planets, or evolution, but you do believe that the Earth is 6000 years old, and since the bible never mentioned the internet, it doesn't exist either, even though you are using it. Mental case!
let him have his voice. He makes me laugh as I do have a sense of humor..after all I created him as well
Eric in Manhattan: Have you actually ever SEEN a planet, or are you mouthing off based on the images you have been shown on TV. Answer: No. You have never seen a planet. You have seen a bright light in the sky, and someone TOLD you it was a planet. But, you never stopped to question why all of these bright lights (star gods) are named after greek gods. Coincidence, or do you think people worshipped them in the past, and you are being tricked into worshipping these gods of names other than The Lord? I suggest you get out a paper and pencil, and start measuring. You have been lied to. There is no dark side of the moon. Any idoit can see that on the fourth day The Lord created two great lights in the sky. You know not why the moon is crescent shaped, but believe that the sun's light reflects off of it. Why don't you prove me wrong? Perhaps because you believe anything anyone tells you and everything you see on TV?
move along everyone. Its robertchristopher just being cute. move along everyone. no one believes what he is writing, not even him. move along everyone, robertchristopher is being a troll. he does not believe what he is saying. Move along everyone.
Why would I want to read an archaic book of ancient mythology? Not thanks. I'll take science any day over old myths.
RobertChristopher: have you ever seen god and Jesus, then wt*f? Have you ever seen George Bush or Obama, may be they are made up too. Have you ever seen a Billion Dollar? may be that is a myth too. Idi*t
Yes. I have actually seen God (the Father), Jesus the Christ, and The Lord (The Holy Spirit), so I am sure that they exist. However, I have not actually seen George Bush or Obama, so they could (possibly) be made up. But as far as that goes, isn't everything "made"? Why should they be any different? (I mean, except Jesus, who is begotten, not made). There is a differnce between "made" and "created". First, we were created, then made. But made by who?
The Bible doesn't mention millions of things, and I don't believe that you really know whether the Bible mentions other planets or not. I first doubt you've really read the Bible, and I'd bet everything that you haven't read it in the original language in which it was written–before the hundreds of suspect translations, edits, and "modernizations."
Amen brother, the whole "solar systems" and "planets" nonsense is just scientific propaganda. The idea that we should draw conclusions based on observation and experimentation is just ludicrous.
Good lord people, dont you know a troll when you see one?????
No such thing as planets. That's a Greek idea. Any idiot could see that in beginning, the earth had NO FORM and the Holy Spirit of God hovered over the waters. The sun and moon were not even created until the fourth day.
Perhaps ... but if the sun and the moon are here, then why don't planets exist?
You will never see the rings of Saturn in a telescope. You have been told that there are rings, but you will never see them, that is, unless your god is named Saturn. As for me and my household, we will serve The Lord. We don't serve Venus, Mars, Jupiter, etc. Ever notice that all those "planets" (as you call these stars) have idol god names? Ever notice that the moon and the sun have NO NAME? I wonder who created the moon and the sun? I wonder what HIS name is? The Lord ALMIGHTY is his name!
everyone move along. RobertChristopher is a troll and he wrote something just get a reaction from people. No fool believes what he wrote. He is mocking christians so move along everyone. no one is that stupid the really believe what robertchristopher wrote. move along everyone. he is only a troll having fun.
magnus: That is not so. I believe what I have written whole heartedly. And your insults do not just fall on me. They fall on Him. If you knew that, you would watch your mouth!
Yeah, Im calling troll as well. Heck I can see the rings of saturn just fine through my telescope.
That's pretty funny, Cedar Rapids, but would a troll write this:
My God's name is not Yahweh. My God's name is not Jehovah. My God's name is "The Lord". And before this is finished, I will not have used his great name in vain. How could I be a troll, if I have the blood of Jesus.
RobertChristopher....thou art a troll. Thou have mocked the name of the Creator, and thou wilt be punished. A plague of pirates on you. -FSM
Robert Christopher does not exist....
problem solved.
Johann1965,
It is written, "i will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you". Your loss for writing something so stupid.
ur stupid
for argument's sake, lets say there are, in fact, other "people" on other planets. possibly more or less intelligent than we are. who is to say that they don't have their own version of the bible or our god is the same as theirs. you don't know. no where in the bible does it say "so you are the only people that exist". bible is a sill argument against this.
Jesus himself referred to this "world" repeatedly. I suspect that he meant everything the eye could see, including the stars.
The bible is ancient mythology. Intelligent beings on another planet would have their own mythology. Just as varied cultures on Earth have varied mythology based on their culture, legends, myths and superstitions. Beings on another planet would have very different mythology than we do.
I am in awe at this comment....
troll
Beezlebub is waiting for you.
People like you who attempt to weaken God make me sick.
The bible is ancient mythology. Why would any intelligent person accept it over science? They wouldn't.
science is GOD!!!!!!!!!! more people need to wake up every day & realize without their knowledge and hard working we wouldn't come this far. There is nothing wrong having faith in something just don't get confuse with reality & imagination.
And their watching I love Lucy reruns every week.
Hmmm.... the answer to our space funding? Just remind the Media industry there are beings enjoying the shows without paying royalties...they'll have a fleet built in no time to go collect.
If they are watching the Three Stooges,
we are in trouble.
This is very exciting news, but don't be in such as rush to see what's there. We may not like it, and they may not like us!
VERY exciting news, too true – and – did you know that there is, and has been 'life' on ALL planets? We just can't perceive it with our humanoid 'senses' . . . we wouldn't recognize it either, if we could see it – like the native americans didn't 'see' the ship sails! Ponder that one for a bit.
Wish all you want, there will Never be a planet we can inhabit. However, i still like the fact that there is new planets being discovered.
Why do you think there will never be a planet we can inhabit?
the conditions have to be perfect as in the case they are with earth.. the distance from the sun. the tilt of the axis.. the time it takes for the earth to revolve around its axis.. this is the only planet where life is.. why cant we be happy with what we have? God gave us this planet as a gift. let's accept it.. and still be amazed at the rest of Gods creation in space.. but we shouldnt want something more..
Did Shrub even read the article???
I wish it weren't the case, but as I understand, even if this distance of travel were possible, you would still have to contend with being sterilized/outright annihilated by a multitude of different cosmic energies.
Oh please shrub, conditions dont have to be 'perfect' for another planet to be viable, and if you want and go bring the idea of god into it how about he made the other planets for us to eventually go and live on one day?
shrub is a scrub. nonetheless, it would take 36 years to get there traveling at the speed of light which is not possible. So, all these discoveries by astronomers are out of context and meaningless for us to populate.
"this is the only planet where life is" – – And you know this, how?
"Wish all you want, there will Never be a planet we can inhabit."
You're basing the hard core written in stone fact onwhat exactly?
"never say never" Justin Bieber
The only thing needed to inhabit other planets is technology. Astronauts inhabited the moon for 3 days during Apollo 17. The international space station has been continuously inhabited for over 10 years now.
To say that humans will never live on another planet is nearsighted at best.
This is a good new, but how long it will take us to get there n how are we going to do that?
That planet is 36 light-years away. How fast is your ship? 😉
She's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. She's fast enough for you, old man.
It would take us 7 million years to get there with current technology.
gotta learn to bend space son!!! shortest distance between two points is to cheat the system!!! YEAH PHYSICS!!!
Finally! We are getting somewhere. I have a feeling that we'll find a planet similar to ours real soon.
What's wrong with our planet? Are you looking to move somewhere better?
SPA Knight,
If you haven't noticed, the number of people on the planet is increasing rapidly...What are we going to do when we don't have enough space for everyone? This is why scientist are trying to find new planets to possibly use as a "new" home for the human race. I don't want to be here when there are so many people on the planet that we will be fighting over natural resources and other "human needs". And I strongly believe that all humans should start realizing that Earth will not last much longer, if it continues to grow in population....
It's not that there is something wrong with our planet, it's just the next progression of human development. Before you know it we're going to be deploying troops, extracting resources, and exploiting labor. Sounds familiar.
Sep But Equal Planets
All planets will be equal, but some will be more equal than others.
This is great news, I really wish that all nations would team up think of all the great things that could happen and in a small time frame.. sucks it will never happen tho..
mark; just think nice thoughts, prey real hard after you prey you act go to jail and be someone's little alien.
There is nothing wrong with wishing for unity. I believe the word you were looking for is "pray". Prey is a noun.
I'm with you Mark. Earthlings MUST unite! All this bickering, to put it lightly, in many parts of the world are getting
in the way of true progress.
One fact remains, this planet will one day cease to be able to support life of any kind.
It might be when the sun burns out, or when galaxies collide. Or a number of reasons...and yes, it will be many millenia before this happens...but, will we be advanced enough by that point to have travelled to distant galaxies and colonized new/old planets? Probably not if we can't put aside issues that have been around since the dark ages or before!
At some time in history, the whole universe is probably going to implode...at that point all existence is doomed...but untill then...let's FINALLY come together and see what the human race can REALLY do when we put ALL our minds together.
I wanted to go on a long rant...but alas, there is fun to be had outside. It's so freaking great to live in a part of the world that "get's" it...where I can go outside and never have a fear of being blown up, or kidnapped. Where day to day life has nothing to do with murdering/raping/pillaging. I dream of a day where everyone in the world has no need to fear for their life...
The first person to visit an ailien world will not be a politician. It will be a recruiter from the University of Texas. Who will then give the illegal ailien a scholarship to play football:-).