Amber reveals dinosaur, bird feathers
These 16 clumped feather barbs were found encased in amber in Canada.
September 16th, 2011
12:56 PM ET

Amber reveals dinosaur, bird feathers

We don't know exactly what dinosaurs looked like, but feathers discovered in 80-million-year-old amber provide new clues.

Paleontologists made this discovery of feather specimens near Grassy Lake in southwestern Alberta, Canada, and described the results in the journal Science.

Researchers don't know which feathers were actually from birds that flew and which might have been from theropod dinosaurs, but the filament structures resembles those seen in other non-avian fossils.

There appear to be two types in the sample: those resembling the feathers of modern birds, and "protofeathers," which are similar to the hair-like structures found in a halo around dinosaur specimens from China in early early Cretaceous rock. Those simpler feathers in the amber, which differ from what modern birds have, may have come from small, meat-eating dinosaurs.

"Short of finding a dinosaur trapped in the amber itself, it’s the best we can do," said Ryan McKellar, a paleontology graduate student of the University of Alberta and lead author of the study.

Although the feather fragments themselves are tiny - ranging from only 2 to 8 millimeters in length - they are preserved in 3D in extraordinary detail, scientists say.

Even some of the pigment remains, so we know what color feathers may have covered these prehistoric creatures. The dinosaur-looking ones display a pale to dark brown color, while the bird-like feathers have a wide range of appearances: There are white downy feathers, as well as flattened, veined feathers of black, brown, and lots of shades in between.

The dinosaur-looking feathers resemble mammal hair-fur and would be useful for things like insulation, and perhaps camouflage and display. The bird-like feathers are even more specifically formed: Some fragments have structural adaptations for flight, and others show characteristics of being able to pick up water, so they could carry water back to their nests or dive better.

How do feather fragments get so well preserved?

About 80 million years ago, these feathers likely blew into some tree resin and, over time, it hardened into an intermediate stage called copal, which then turned to amber. The resin hardens as its volatile component dissipates, and what's left behind is similar to plastic in structure.

The amber used in jewelry today is usually about 17 million to 40 million years old; more than 65 million years old is too brittle for decorative purposes, meaning there probably aren't dinosaur feathers in your mother's amber necklace.

But insects do often get trapped in amber; in fact, McKellar and colleagues found a feather fragment trapped in a spider web in one of the pieces of amber. That's right: There were spiders making spider webs 80 million years ago.

"This is sort of the first large survey we’ve had from a single amber deposit," he said.

Post by:
Filed under: Dinosaurs • On Earth
soundoff (911 Responses)
  1. AfroRomance

    Heya i am for the primary time here. I came across this board and I to find It truly helpful & it helped me out a lot. I'm hoping to present one thing back and aid others such as you aided me.

    November 22, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
  2. leon is awesome

    I am not certain where you're getting your information, however great topic. I needs to spend some time finding out much more or working out more. Thank you for fantastic info I was on the lookout for this info for my mission.

    April 14, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
  3. creative writing

    Interesting post, this was really useful. thanks!

    January 5, 2012 at 9:52 am |
  4. Maryann Eastland

    Great blog!! You should start many more. I love all the info provided. I will stay tuned

    December 13, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
  5. Domenic Demers

    One more thing I forgot... Cloud's son, Boulder and OR Cloud have a dished arabian face but not to much... a pink star on his black nose or a very important feature a front hoof that looks like pink fire but is black other than that. He aslo keeps his head high or curved when around mares or stallions even geldings. I think it could be one of them or one of him sons. Mabey not. I hope it isnt because like you I want them to stay free but MY boy now named Blazing Star because of his star on nose and his golden bright coat. My is capalatized because he is well MINE and ONLY MINE!!!! Sorry but I have grown to attached to him.

    December 5, 2011 at 11:43 pm |
  6. Ra

    All you simply have to do is think God out of existence. Just think God out of existence, Don't be afraid Just think God away and then live a wonderful life.

    September 20, 2011 at 8:09 pm |
  7. Danwer

    Ha ha. How do all of these kind of posts turn into science vs. religion? How's about we talk about the actual article. I'll start:

    That's so crazy! I wonder how long it took creatures of the cretaceous to pick up flight!

    September 20, 2011 at 12:26 am |
  8. ChaoticDreams

    Nope, not God. Chuck Testa.

    September 19, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • real deal

      i laughed so hard

      September 19, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • mikemaikin

      HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAH!!!!

      September 19, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • mikemaikin

      I had no idea what this was i youtubed it...still havent stopped laughing!

      September 19, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
  9. Ixtlan

    All that thrusting and subduction...........

    Earths geological changes sounds more like a cheap B grade porn movie.

    September 19, 2011 at 10:06 am |
  10. kso

    of course. because everyone could read and write for the previous 1500 years of oral history.

    September 19, 2011 at 9:51 am |
  11. Ixtlan

    Why is the age of the earth always an either / Or type answer.

    I am quite satisfied with both. Many millions of years old but last terra transformed around 6000 years ago.

    Seems we get a reno about every 6000 to around 13000 years. Buckle up folks!

    September 18, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • kso

      yeah right. look up the amphibolite formations in canada. oldest exposed rock on earth.
      "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Shield"

      September 19, 2011 at 9:53 am |
      • Ixtlan

        Thanks Kso,

        Your big slab of very old rock has finally surfaced. No problem with its age only when and how often it has been raised and lowered, folded ect.

        The earth is reborn every so often and even old things become new again.

        I dont buy into the ice age story myself but I do believe that the poles have at some time been all over the earth.
        They are wanderers of this entire planet in 6000 -13000 year fits of movement.

        Just something out of the box........

        September 20, 2011 at 6:41 am |
      • kso

        @ Ixtlan
        sorry, oldest in north america...
        these however:
        "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isua_Greenstone_Belt"
        and
        "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acasta_Gneiss"
        and
        "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_rock#Oldest_terrestrial_material"

        "6000 -13000 year fits of movement."
        out of the box? not so much... animations have been done of plate tectonics that map position and age. they're out there. God wants u to find them.

        post formation of our specific galaxy, the accretion of planetary matter and furthermore the accretion of the earth and moon specifically to the point in "time" where they began to cool enough to actually have floating plates/continents, later water, life, etc... is all in the data of the rocks. it all matches up.

        again, we can talk about what god [he, she, it, they] did or did not do all day long, but you don't have the luxury of denying the realities that are part of our existence. Doing so for the sake of believing in biblical stories from 2ooo year ago is absurd and if you claim to hear, listen, speak to/thru God, and you don't understand that, you truly haven't been listening.

        September 20, 2011 at 9:45 am |
      • fimeilleur

        @ lxtian,

        and what sort of evidence do you have to support your "regenerating earth" hypothosis?

        September 20, 2011 at 10:04 am |
      • ixtlan

        Well my own experiences of obvious earth changes are:
        Ularu (Eyres Rock) central Australia. Made of sedementary rock you can see the layers except they are now vertical not horizontal as when layed down.
        Placer rocks found in the Flinders Ranges of South Australia. These rocks have been deposited into sedementary sea beds by glacial movements into a sea where the imbeded rocks gathered in passage of the Glacier are melted out and droped into the softer sea bed. The area in question in many meteres above sea level and arid.
        Earth, 98% bordom.........2% shear terror.

        September 25, 2011 at 6:59 am |
      • fimeilleur

        @ lxtian,

        Ayers rock dates back to the cambrian era, 350-400 million years ago. not 6000 years ago.
        And ???????? glacial deposits in an ancient sea bed hundreds of meters above sea level? This is proof of a rejuvenated earth? I'm getting the impression that your "own experience" of obvious earth changes are largely due to the lack of education in geology not on any real evidence. You picked out two geological formation (that have both been well explained by the current model) and decided that they could be explained by your wishful fantasy... what you fail to do, is explain all natural formations with the same fantasy. Geology applies to ALL formations EQUALLY, your guess applies to only these two. This is what we mean by evidence, this is why science dismisses your delusion.

        September 25, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
      • ixtlan

        I originally said......

        Whats wrong with both dates being right.

        Current Earth version 6000 years old. Actual full age of Earth some billions.

        Seems the Earths gets a terra transformation every every 6000 to 13000 years.

        Buckle up folks!

        So I agree fully that the Earth is possibly some Billions of years Old.

        If I fill an area of say 30 x 30 Ft with 200 million year old sand. Then have two bulldozers approach from two opposite sides. A ridge or mountain range will form in the middle. Mountain range is only some seconds old but dating of sand proves its Millions of years old. So how old is my mountain range..........Who to believe?

        Eyres Rock in Australia is Millions of years old, agreed. But when was the muddy sedimentary rock deposited in some ancient lake flipped onto its side by the natural and very slow plate tektonics. The earth is violently tera- transformed at regular intervals. So when some one says the Earth (Current version) is 6000 years old I for one am in agreeance.
        I also agree that the earth is Billions of years old.

        When the location of the poles shift the new map of the earth is arranged in conformance with the Earth grid of Buckminster Fuller. So the areas of the seven deadly (vile) vortises, which are always under water, will when shifted over a land mass cause that said land to subside. Not all current land will be submersed and new lands will rise.

        Out of interest look at any clear rendition (Globe) of the Earths land masses and you can see that where there is and land on the opposite side there is water. EG North pole = Water....South Pole = Land.. Nearly all other land masses are equally of set by water. Basically if you knew where the poles will end up after the next movement you could calculate the areas of submersion and emergence.

        And yes I have very simple knowledge of science based geophysics...... but if you believe Black Coal is made from trees then we have another whole problem.

        September 26, 2011 at 4:25 am |
    • kso

      you"re mountain range wouldn't change the age of the material it was created with.
      If you made a wood carving, it would still be made of the wood of a certain age.
      you can only date the formation by what comes after it. even if you deposited 6 more mountains on top of your creation, the data embedded in the source material would still be the same original age. there's no changing that. But, there is more information in the rocks that just the age. The magnetic polarization of the minerals would be something to consider also.

      Regardless, this material would literally have to be subducted back into the mantle, turned back into molten material, and vomited back out by a volcano or fissure for it to be re-date-able. and i'm not exactly sure that would yeild a completely new & virgin data.

      college level geology 100 explains most of what we're discussing.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:43 am |
      • ixrlan

        Theres the problem, your've been colleged!

        No soap is going to shift those stains.

        June 28, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
  12. overtheedge

    Science reality
    Science is a skeptic. Hence the scientific method, the requirement for replicability and peer review (unless there is grant money available in which case publish first in a non-science venue). Theories are just the explanation that is currently in vogue. Theories are backed by multiple hypothesii that have been repeatedly tested. There is an old maxim about scientific theories; New ideas win out not by force of argument, but rather by outliving its detractors. Now the biggy: Many supposed theories aren't. Example: String theory is not a theory. It is philosophy due to the inability to test by the scientific method; see Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. The problem is journalists lack the knowledge base to understand and then they report thier illiteracy to the scientific illiterate.

    Religion/faith reality
    Believe what you will. The only problem is when you open your mouth to deny others thier viewpoint while failing to support your's. No evidence exists, but for the faithful none is needed or required. Religion by its very nature is philosophy. If religion gives you comfort and guides you to be a better person, then it has served its purpose. For some, religious beliefs aren't required as they utilize logic.

    Asked by a cynic if the Torah could be understood by a man standing on one leg, the rabbi Hillel, about the time of Christ, responded:"That which is hateful to thyself do not do it to another. That is the whole law. The rest is just commentary."

    “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful”. Seneca the Younger, philosopher, statesman and orator

    Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
    Napoleon Bonaparte

    Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. Denis Diderot

    Evolution reality
    Happens all the time on the micro-scale. Hence the need for new flu shots. If the capacity for a specific trait exists within the genetic structure, the gene can be turned on or off. Mutations exist in all lifeforms. Proof? Just look at the difference appearances within any specie. Cancer is a mutation. Harmful, yes but it doesn't prevent many from passing on thier genes to the next generation.

    Theory v Law
    Theory attempts to explain what is.
    Law exists with or without a theory to explain it.
    Hypothesis is just the question.

    All this over some feathers in amber. I didn't know about amber getting too brittle for jewelry after 65 million years. I learned something today. Most all the comments are old rehashes of the on-going and endless stream of nonsense by both sides.

    September 18, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • Temi

      You just gave the typical evidence people give for evolution, yet it doesn't support macroevolution. What reason do you have that these small changes mean that we secretly live in the xmen universe? Where animals just up and morph into each other cause they supposedly need to.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
    • Temi

      That amber getting brittle after 65million years is garbage. Why do people find it so easy to buy into this crap?

      September 19, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  13. Torgue

    I'm curious as to why there are two kinds of feathers. Are they from two animals or is it a case of multiple types on one animal, e.g. down vs. flight feathers. The article seems to imply two animals, but I don't think it states that explicitly.

    September 17, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      Actually, it described SEVERAL types of feathers. Bird feathers, consistent with flighted birds (who do not have down, chicks in the nest have that), two different classes of down of two different colors.
      If they can recover and sequence the proteins from them, they can further classify them.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:10 pm |
  14. Leigh

    I can't believe i wasted 30 minutes ready insult after insult. Who cares about spelling, fossils and how old the earth is. Concern yourself of when will it end!

    September 17, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • wayne

      Why be concerned about the end, will it change anything?

      September 17, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • dan

      The universe? it's got billions of years yet.

      September 17, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      Why? It'll be at least a billion years before the sun begins to expand and 4 billion before it goes red giant.
      I'll be on vacation on Europa at the start, then on sabbatical on Titan when Earth is swallowed by the sun.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:11 pm |
  15. Come on folks

    These comments I see posted here back and forth about this story make me extremely sad. This is a wonderful piece of work by some very dedicated scientists, they likely spent years of research on this and the results are fascinating, really amazing. They've found fossilized feathers in amber that may well have come from dinosaurs, more than 60 million years old. Rather than appreciating the effort and work these scientists, marveling in the wonder of nature, virtually every comment posted is an argument about evolution and religion. I, for one, want to congratulate the authors on a fascinating discovery and a wonderful piece of work. Well done.

    September 17, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      I, for one, would like to see protein sequences from those feathers. They might JUST get some intact, after all those millions of years.
      Sometimes, scientists forget to look DEEPER. Such as fossilized cellular material and even collagen inside of dinosaur long bone marrow. Rather than LOOK, scientists assumed nothing but rock would be there.
      Pop it into a SEM, beautiful images of the cellular structure of that marrow, if not intact cells. 🙂
      Still, way cool!

      September 17, 2011 at 10:14 pm |
      • Temi

        Because that stuff doesn't last millions of years. If they keep finding them. they'd have to start questioning their assumption of earths age, their assumption of evolution would then follow. BAsically, it all comes tumbling down. Who wants that?

        September 19, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
  16. wayne

    All life is a chemical reaction all the way to the core. Nothing magical. And although it is a complicated chemical reaction it didn't start that way. Water is the result of a chemical reaction of hydrogen and oxygen. Life could (probably) is the result of countless chance chemical reactions over a very long time. No god needed.

    September 17, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
  17. bubaphelps

    I put some strange things in Amber, and she always wants to charge me extra, or asks for a bigger tip. I can just imagine how much she wanted for bird feathers and dinosauer bones!!!!

    September 17, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      Really? Amber always PAID me, even when I didn't want her to.
      Performance problem?

      September 17, 2011 at 10:15 pm |
  18. Robert

    The Bible does not say the Earth is 6,000 years old. It says that at one time it was barren. This means God wiped the Earth clean and started over. Of course he designed plants and animals to evolve. THAT was his original design.
    Those who do not accept Him cannot understand how it makes sense. Besides, you can't expect for humankind to share the Earth with sabre-tooth tigers and dinosaurs.

    September 17, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
  19. Copper's Donut Shoppe

    I recently converted to a glazed over reborn. But, I am having one problem with the whole noah and his ark thing. Where did they put all the dinosaurs at? They most assuradely did not get along with other animals.
    And did he sodomize his children to repopulate? Our minister is great at healings and talking in other's speech, but he will not answer these 2 questions for me.
    Does anyone know?

    September 17, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      Sodomizing anyone wouldn't repopulate anything. Incest could. But, go up into the back hill country and see the results.
      Nevermind, we have Palin and Bachmann, the latter of which is convicted of her opinions (her words, not mine).
      Besides, the dinosaurs must've been the nephilim, who man was mating with.
      The saber tooth didn't survive humans killing off that apex predator, which humans do by second nature.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:22 pm |
  20. idk y ur readin this

    i don need jesus i have enuf crap in my life i know life sucks i accept it.

    September 17, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
  21. idk y ur readin this

    do u realize almost all of these comments are about genisis , find somethin else to talk about

    September 17, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
  22. Marinus Vesseur

    I used to be a fundamentalist Christian (Jehovah's Witness) and I can testify that we just couldn't see the light, because that big dark medieval thing called faith stood in the way. Ten years ago I believed that every "kind" of plant or animal was made specifically by God, and no argument, however rational and true, could make me believe otherwise. Gladly, in a difficult phase of my life, my congregation let me down, which gave me sufficient distance to religion to start questioning some of its dogma. It took years to gradually be set free, probably because I already was in my forties. Teenagers have it easier there.
    Please keep in mind that these people are imprisoned in their "truths". They are blind, but they call themselves the seeing; they are in darkness, but call themselves enlightened. Any argument will be twisted and beaten until in some weird way it aligns with their "truths" that do not need proof. Beware of the fanatics in any such group, suppress those with political aspirations, never let them make decisions affecting anyone else's life. And yet... they are human, they are precious and they can be liberated, at least some of them. It can be exasperating, but we must continue striking back with the arguments of reason, neither cynically, nor aggressively.
    It could have been you – it's just a matter of time and place of birth.

    September 17, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      Sorry, I don't consider Jehovah witnesses to be anything other than witless, as they are TOLD what to believe from a dilapidated building in NYC.
      I am one of those nasty folks who talk religion to them, while they hope to convert me. I suggest gently, OTHER books to read about their point. Eventually, they sent elders, then scholars to my door. Now, they only send their most advanced, largely as a test for that person. 🙂
      I've converted many to a less limited to less stringent and unrealistic sects, who followed reason after. 🙂

      September 17, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
  23. Open mind

    Here is an interesting book for you to consider “The Science of God” Dr. Gerald Schroeder. Not an easy read (involves a bit a math) but worth It. Read it – not just the critics reviews – read the book.

    September 17, 2011 at 11:48 am |
    • SCAtheist

      Why don't you condense it for us?

      September 17, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • SCAtheist

      Only people that already believe the myths need to mix them with science.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:56 am |
    • Wzrd1

      SCAtheist, funny how one Albert Einstein has published works relating his rationalization of physics, relativity and his requirements for "how would God do it, it must be simple, elegant and accurate.
      Of course, you'd need to be fluent to avoid translation errors, which are present in two versions I've read in English, before the German.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
  24. ohsnap

    Holy Jurassic Park!

    September 17, 2011 at 11:17 am |
  25. Douglas

    Oh, I'm gonna go to the Spirit in the Sky
    That's where I'm gonna go when I die
    When I die, and they lay me to rest
    Gonna go to the place that's the best

    He sees you when your sleeping
    He sees you when you're awake
    He knows if you've been bad or good
    So be good for goodness sake

    September 17, 2011 at 10:58 am |
    • Copper's Donut Shoppe

      amen pass the spirit too me!!!!

      September 17, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
  26. Douglas

    God states that rabbits chew their cud, but they absolutely do not. How could the creator make a mistake like that? He made them... is his memory faulty? Or was the Bible written by man?

    September 17, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • Simon

      The bible also states that bats are birds! Anyone who believes anything in that the bible says is as thick as two short planks.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:38 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      Faulty transliteration. Which is typical, from languages derived from Aramaic. Culture drives language as much as fact.
      One can say one sentence that could mean three things in English, yet encompass ALL in the root Aramaic language, but the NUANCE would tell the MEANING.
      THAT said...
      My kids are long grown, but:
      When they were a bare two years old, we were asked where babies come from, as a member of our extended family was expecting. We didn't explain how mommy and daddy did the nasty and go into detail. We gave a child's answer for a child. A year later, I was asked why the sky was blue. Should I have explained her the absorbtion spectra of nitrogen and produced the math behind it?! Or give a child's answer?
      Now, a cave man is presented and asks where he came from, explain unified field, advanced chemistry, advanced organic chemistry?
      Or a child's answer?
      I'll continue to believe as I believe, but MY version of God DEMANDS rationality. The time for childish belief is long over, after we discovered how to divide an atom.
      It's time to move on and learn what REALLY matters. HOW the universe works, so we can communicate with others in the universe. For NO creator would be foolish enough as to create a universe so large for ONE species. Indeed, it'd be a proving ground for who could advance and learn and move on from foolish warlike things, after mastering the predators of the planet.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
  27. mejazzbo

    I could have sworn I saw this product on Ebay.

    September 17, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • Wzrd1

      I could have sworn that I saw my mother in law on e-bay. But, she's been dead for a decade, so I know she isn't on sale there, as e-bay won't sell living humans.
      I know, I've TRIED to sell off the ENTIRE tea party. :/

      September 17, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
  28. LoveWisdom

    The fact that you can take a look at this article and take it at it's word without doing a shred of research on your own is absurd. Evolution is a myth and a theory with a lot of holes. Matter of fact it is no theory at all because it has proven to be false time and time again, yet it's all people can see because they have been brain-washed to believe it's true. Nothing in the fossil record proves the Earth to be billions of years old; rather than the Heavens and Earth were created in 6 literal days. The foundation of evolution is based on the fact that everything evolved from a common ancestor- single celled to the more complex; that there should be billions of years of proof in the fossil record of intermediate forms. However, there are none. The fossil record supports creation- each kind after their kind. Birds then are birds now. There is no proof of scales becoming feathers. Do research from both sides of the worldview, not just ones that you think prove you right. The evidence for why the universe cannot be billions of years old is astonishing and evolution is a hoax.

    Charles Darwin: "Long before the reader has arrived at this part of my work, a crowd of difficulties will have occurred to him. Some of them are so serious that to this day I can hardly reflect on them without being in some degree staggered; but, to the best of my judgment, the greater number are only apparent, and those that are real are not, I think fatal to the theory."
    Toward the end of his life, Darwin openly admitted: "Not one change of species into another is on record.... We cannot prove that a single species has changed into another." (Darwin, Charles, My Life and Letters, Vol. 1. Page 2 10).

    September 17, 2011 at 10:34 am |
    • Douglas

      What about the pantheon of the Sumerians that existed thousands of years before the Bible? Why is your hokum the correct hokum?

      September 17, 2011 at 10:53 am |
      • LoveWisdom

        What about them? Majority of their culture converted to Christianity in approximately 1 century AD. One of their beliefs was that the Earth would only last 518,400 years. If the Earth is billions of years old, then this is false.The bible says no man can know. They also believed the Earth was flat. Bible tells us the Earth is round and is suspended over nothing. Scientist (who are God's creation) found this to be indeed true. They believe the sea gave rise to life. Amino acids are dissolved in water so they cannot join together to make protein. That would require an input of energy. If proteins are dissolved in water the chemical bonds between the amino acids slowly break apart, releasing energy (the protein is said to hydrolyze). The same is true of DNA and RNA. Long story short, they cannot form in water because they don't have the necessary energy input. Their gods could be hurt and killed. The immaterial nonphysical being that created the universe cannot. The list goes on. It's all about infallible foundations and Sumerians in their native religion did not have that.

        September 17, 2011 at 11:32 am |
      • SCAtheist

        What the heck is this wisdom guy talking about?

        September 17, 2011 at 11:49 am |
      • Wzrd1

        Lovewisdom, which you DO NOT love wisdom, the bible was a THRICE transliterated book, of faulty transliteration each time. THRICE AGAIN edited for content by the Roman Catholic church, under the Roman Emperor Constantine. Indeed, the Revelation, aka the Apocalypse, was a barely known work from when Nero was emperor, yet Constantine INSISTED OVER THE BISHOPS to include it.
        MEANWHILE, OK, evolution doesn't exist. ALL dogs are wolves. Indeed, the domestic turkey is a wild one that can fly, unlike the Butterball version, which can't.
        Evolution is selection of what survives. Whether it is in nature or in human captivity. It's called BREEDING.
        So, by YOUR standard, ALL dog breeds in the last century are ALL the work of the devil, indeed, the CREATION of the devil, who is NOT able to create or HE'D be God.
        SO, in the EXTREME of your view, since dog breeds were rapidly bred, and wild turkeys became Butterballs and several OTHER varieties, the Devil is God, since only God creates.
        Or something.
        Oops, that is Gnosticism...

        September 17, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
    • Dan

      Scales becoming feathers?? Where is that "wisdom" found? Ever think before you speak much? By the way, it's still called the "theory" of gravity, but let's take you and all those likeminded with you, stand you under a bridge, and drop cinderblocks on your heads. Then you can tell us gravity is still just a "theory" too ok dummy?

      September 17, 2011 at 11:03 am |
      • LoveWisdom

        Yes, I did think before I spoke, but it's clear that you did not. I would take a step back before you call anyone else a dummy or any other names besides that. By your post I thought you were using the theory of gravity to explain the evolution of dinosaurs into birds, which was what this article and my post alluded to. I understand now that you were defending the theory of gravity, which is a totally different argument, and one that I have not refuted. So, let's try this again. Evolution is flawed, nothing proves it's truth, therefore it cannot be used as a model to explain the origin of our life, or the universe, or species. The article suggested the feathers came from Theropod Dinosaur to support the claim that dinosaurs evolved into birds. That's why I posed the question how did scales become feathers? Sounds ridiculous right? Because it is. Especially if you understand scales and feathers, or what it would take to evolve from a dinosaur to a bird. The respiratory systems has to change, they must learn to fly, their bone structure would change greatly, and those are just the little things. They would not survive if this was gradual process. Not to mention there are no intermediate links shows this evolution out of the 250 million fossil records on file.

        September 17, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
      • Wzrd1

        Actually, recent genetic research shows that scales and feathers ARE related. Not as one gene, but on a trigger.
        One can trigger feathers over scales, but not both, genetic switches being thrown. I'm awaiting more ADVANCED results, beyond painting on some proteins...
        Of course, in genetics, we're only still toddlers. 🙂

        September 17, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
    • ahpiii

      Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there's no proof of God.

      September 17, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
      • LoveWisdom

        Keep telling yourself that.

        September 17, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Simon

      You are a moron. There is nothing but proof in the fossil record, geology, genetics and bioldogy for evolution. You don't think so because you are wilfully ignorant. You could find all the evidence you need right on your computer.

      Why don't you apply your same level of skepticism to the bronze age myths that you do accept as truth?

      September 17, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
  29. Julia Topaz

    4th paragraph:

    "...may have came from small, meat-eating dinosaurs."

    Really, CNN?? "may have came"?? What happened to well-written articles?

    September 17, 2011 at 10:31 am |
    • Sophia Dengo

      Thanks for catching that. The error has been corrected.

      Sophia Dengo, CNN.com

      September 17, 2011 at 11:12 am |
      • Wzrd1

        IF you're from CNN, I'm shocked and amazed! So MANY articles are error prone, yet you post here...
        Perhaps an example to be followed elsewhere?
        Or doesn't CNN get 8 hours of work for 8 hours of pay, as I've given for my old 72 hour weeks...

        September 17, 2011 at 10:59 pm |
  30. Short Trip To Tomorrow - BRB

    ******* Greg

    You need to do your research buddy. Evolution is complete garbage. There is plenty of scientific evidence AGAINST it by highly qualified scientists, and yet, the pro-darwin community refuses to give an inch, even with bad science, because the only alternative is intelligent design, and they refuse to even give this highly provable idea any credit.

    **** What he is really saying.......
    I am right, and you are wrong, and NOTHING will change my mind.
    If you give me evidence i will ignore it
    i have tons of evidence but wont waste my time giving it to you (because it dont exist)

    September 17, 2011 at 9:49 am |
    • Dan

      Those pretending to utilize scientific principles in an effort to prove God exists are far from actual scientists. They are liars and fools. They are a joke in the real scientific community, yet worshipped by the fools tightly grasping their ridiculous beliefs in Gods.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • heliocracy

      Intelligent Design is the garbage. The theory is based on modern human ideas of what constitutes complexity. No theory based on subjective judgement is sound. If it's so highly provable, please go ahead and try. I need a good laugh today.

      September 17, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • Simon

      "pro-darwin community"? The idea of evolution has nothing to do with one man. we dont' worship as infallible mere mortals. The proof of Darwin's brilliant idea has been found thousands of times in the 150 years since he published his hypothesis. He wasn't 100% right. But from his idea we have refined out the best approximation of the nature of reality they you will see.

      Please apply the same level of skepticism to your beliefs in the myths of a nomadic tribe of bronze age goat herders.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:44 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      OK, fundamental failure for you and your ilk is the "highly qualified scientist" is NOT one who also "proves" alien anal probes.
      SCIENTISTS have degrees for starters. They have laboratories for secondary things. They ACCEPT FACTS over theories or dogma.
      Wow! Three strikes you and your idiocy are out!
      Or should we go looking for the biblical unicorns and dragons?

      September 17, 2011 at 11:10 pm |
  31. bachmanntwit

    FACT #1 Michele Bachmann's husband, Marcus Bachmann, is as queer as a three dollar bill.
    FACT #2 He tried and he tried and he tried but he couldn't pray away his own gay.
    FACT #3 Michele Bachmann has never seen him nude.

    September 17, 2011 at 9:23 am |
    • Wzrd1

      I've never seen EITHER nude.
      PROOF OF A MERCIFUL GOD! 😉
      Take your politics elsewhere. Might I suggest the midden?

      September 17, 2011 at 11:12 pm |
  32. WeBeDinos

    People...don't you see whats happening here? People turning on each other like the ancient scavengers we're purportedly studying. Bible, schmible. Its a record some ancient person made to give their own account of their own views. This is much like what I'm doing now, and what you're reading. Do you suppose the people that read the first copies of the bible gave differing opinions of those same accounts? It a book known to be written with an idealogical slant. Its supposed to be interpreted differently by each person. Throwing insults at each other won't make look any smarter, or be seen as being more correct. If a person wants to think the earth is only 6000 years old, let them. So what. They should not however, be allowed to use the phone, ( it resulted from science) or drive to work ( again... resulted from science... the fuel comes from biomass from millions of years ago). Let them walt to work, and draw with sticks and sand. And, oh yes, no clothing for them either, – don't get me started on space age materials... .but I digress.

    September 17, 2011 at 9:07 am |
    • ckerst

      I don't believe in letting people wallow in ignorance. Nor do I think a person should be allowed to remain delusional. The bible is a fantasy. Living your life based on the best knowledge of 2000 years ago is on par with having a mental disorder.

      September 17, 2011 at 9:25 am |
    • Wzrd1

      Ckert, OK, no Greek philosophy permitted. No astrolabe permitted. Hence, no sextant permitted.
      Therefor, you should kill yourself, as your EXISTENCE is due to that philosophy and its effects AND the church.
      So, should we reject ALL and forcibly remove ALL human life on the North American and South American continents, so we can be TRUE to your views?

      September 17, 2011 at 11:17 pm |
  33. free2do

    saddle and human skeleton found among dinosaur remains.

    September 17, 2011 at 8:43 am |
    • ahpiii

      lol

      September 17, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      OUTRIGHT LIE!!!!!!!!!!
      My saddle is in the basement and I'm still here, liar!
      Get me mad and I'll sic my crypto-hidden sabertooth on you!

      September 17, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
  34. Red07

    Amazing what happens when someone throws a toy into a sandbox.

    September 17, 2011 at 8:07 am |
    • Wzrd1

      Yeah, they post here.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
  35. Dogboy

    Here lies the danger in christianity,Peytonator's #4 post" the universe is utterly meaningless".
    The idea that without thier god,life has no meaning shows how they value human life.

    September 17, 2011 at 5:24 am |
    • Peytonator

      I pray God that if I ever find you burning in a fire one day, I will risk my neck to save your life.

      September 17, 2011 at 7:28 am |
    • Wzrd1

      One day, during my deployment, during R&R in the Persian Gulf, an Arab man had asked me what I thought of Islam.
      I told him, "My God can beat up YOUR God any day."
      He looked shocked and exclaimed, "But-but, he's the same God!"
      I replied, "Of course he is, who ELSE could beat him up? I'll not ask him WHY he would do such a thing, I'll merely accept what is as what is."
      He laughed with great mirth, "I understand. Would you like more tea?"
      We then moved onto conversations of greater import, such as the fine day it was. 🙂

      Frequently, the problems with religion are those who abuse it and those who ignore moral lessons in favor of literal meaning, from works that are transliterated, not translated. The difference is significant, as transliteration can lose key concepts that are cultural in nature and not reflected by the transliteration.
      Who here has told their small child where their new brother or sister REALLY came from, the PRECISE act of procreation? You tell the child a comforting tale only, what they are able to understand.
      You don't explain atmospheric absorbtion of light by nitrogen creating a blue hue to a two year old.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:13 am |
      • ahpiii

        Good point. But as an mature, thinking, reasoning species, isn't it time to cast away the comforting stories and learn how the real world works, before we go out and make fools of ourselves in front of others?

        September 17, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
      • Wzrd1

        ahpiii, that was SOMEWHAT my point, but also a window into a wider possible view that you obviously refuse to consider.
        But then, we should not bother to explore the possible existence of the Higgs Boson. ONE sign of spurrious nature is not proof or evidence. Why bother then? After our current two generations, it's not been observed, therefor, it does not. Nor does most of string theory, right? No proof, it doesn't exist.
        Dark matter, SLIGHT proof, there are other maths that show other solutions, but...
        Dark energy, no PROOF, only a suggestion, bent to support fact of universal expansion, without HINTING of means, hence as valid as the bible. LITERALLY.
        So, is there dark energy or not? If so, PROVIDE PROOF. PROVIDE PROOF OF THE HIGGS BOSON, we're bombarded INCESSANTLY with high energy particles, no Higgs.
        WHERE IS THE HIGGS BOSON? NO PROOF, NO EXISTENCE AND THE SAME FOR DARK ENERGY, NO MEASUREMENT.
        PROVE a singularity.
        No proof, only a "shadow", doesn't exist, our stars are free to go their own ways. 😛

        September 17, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
  36. Andy

    Interesting article...now I'm going outside to enjoy the day...rather than even attempt to pour reason into the heads of religious nut jobs.

    September 17, 2011 at 4:02 am |
  37. Red07

    Oh yeah babe, BBQ chickosaur... we can invite all the whining children on this site to the party.

    September 17, 2011 at 3:58 am |
  38. Daniel J. T

    I want to see this mentioned at the next Republican debate. Would love to see the "candidates" dance around the question and refuse to take a real stance on evolution. It would be highly entertaining, and definitely more useful than hearing anything they have to say about policies and politics.

    September 17, 2011 at 3:53 am |
  39. LeGrisbi

    I'm over the "debate". When somebody claims a discovery is mentioned in their book (funny, they only point it out after man makes the discovery), just pat them on the head & say "that's nice" and go along my way & learn something else new.

    September 17, 2011 at 3:50 am |
  40. matt

    Nowhere in the bible does it give exact dates as to how old the earth is. Nor does it say adam and eve coexisted with dinosaurs. Using context clues in the bible, we can place the creation of man about 6000 years ago. Dinosaurs could have existed prior to man, having been created during an earlier creative day. A day in the bible can be an unspecified amount of time, similar to as we say "back in my day...". The only thing the bible does infer is that those days are equal in length. Regardless, dinosaurs at the very latest were wiped out by the flood about 4500 years ago. You can put whatever stock in science dating abilities that you want. The point I'm trying to make is that science and the genesis account do not explicitly contradict each other. The bible doesn't offer details about dinosaurs, so trying to use evidence of dinosaurs to disprove things the bible does talk about makes no sense. There is scientific proof to back up accounts in the bible such as noah's flood (bones of large fish found in mountains no where near water for one thing). There is nothing in the bible that directly refutes evolution from generally happening either. What stops god from creating something, then letting it adapt and evolve over time? Nothing. The only thing directly refuted by the bible is that humans came from apes.

    September 17, 2011 at 3:45 am |
    • wayne

      Tech manuals are never written in a fashon that makes them open to interpretation. If they did, putting together a thermonuclear device might result in a terrible outcome. Some people claim the bible is open to interpretation and therefore blah blah blah. But what you really get is religious nutjobs at war with each other and at war with atheists.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
    • heliocracy

      So because the Bible doesn't talk about dinosaurs, then you can't use your knowledge of them to challenge what the Bible does say? Do you ever wonder why atheists think religious people are insane? Answer me this, if the dating methods are incorrect, than why do different methods, that use very different assumptions and look at very different things, agree with each other? Is that little devil God playing us for fools AGAIN? Seriously, does he get off on making things look for all the world like they're old when they're not?

      September 17, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
  41. Red07

    What's also interesting about the amber, notice the air bubbles, that's 80 million year old air...

    September 17, 2011 at 3:26 am |
  42. One

    I need more faith to believe that
    1) life can proceed from non-life contrary to the Law of Biogenesis
    2) random mutations can add new genetic information to a genome, contrary to all scientific observation
    3) the human brain, with its 100 billion neurons processing perfectly at 100 million MIPS, can have come into existence statistically BY ACCIDENT.
    4) the universe is utterly meaningless
    – than that an Almighty Creator of the Universe designed it all, and spoke it into existence. Ask a mere child, whether his cute little art class painting was designed or not. Oh wait, it was an accident.

    I find it amazing that people will base their entire worldview and eternal state on science, when with each decade, new scientific discoveries contradict old ones. For instance, Newton's equations are a mere approximation to reality, and so are Schrödinger's. V actually doesn't always equal I*R , and yet you were taught so. Amazing how people trust science so much, at the expense of rejecting God, who created it, and sustains it. Yet, there is no contradiction between science and the Bible, because the same God who made science, made the Bible.

    September 17, 2011 at 3:26 am |
    • fimeilleur

      1) the theory of evolution says no such thing... It starts with the principle that life exists.
      2) random mutations do add new information, for example, the great apes have one more pair of chromosomes than we do, and by studying the start and stop of each pair, we see that the 23rd chromosome in humans is actually fused from two separate chromosomes in apes.
      3) yes it can, as all brains tend to fire neurones at roughly the same speed, it would only go to show that brain activity has developed more or less the same throughout the animal kingdom.
      4) who says it's meaningless? Do you need to grovel at an unseen being's unseen feet for your life to have meaning? Why can't you just strive to make life/society/education/technology (etc) better for future generations?

      You can't compare something that was obviously created (inanimate objects) to something that acts of it's own accord... you are comparing apples to oranges and... well... it doesn't work.

      Now, you take the fact that science changes it's view with the outcome of new information... and treat it like it's a bad thing... you'd hope that the scientific community would change, especially when they find evidence to the contrary of what is believed... Now what does your bible do? It's defenders constantly scream "context" or "you're reading it wrong" or "that's the wrong version of the bible"... so here are a few questions for you:

      1) Who has seen the face of God?
      2) What were Jesus' last words on the cross? (keep in mind, there's only one thing he could have said at this time... and his words are extremely important, so you know that they are absolutely correctly recorded)
      3) Can man be righteous?
      4) What colour robe was Jesus given?

      Please, provide me with chapter and verse... and then I'll show you why you're wrong... remember: You said God made the bible... So God can't be wrong... or can he?

      September 17, 2011 at 4:56 am |
      • One

        1) where did that life come from?
        2) did you see it fuse or assume it fused?
        3) or that there's a common designer...
        4) so what? (I argue from a humanistic perspective). There's no point, ultimately, aside from God. Yet this is no low view of life; the Bible has the highest possible view of human life – that a Man should lay down his life to save the lives of his enemies.

        It's pointless answering your questions because you've already made up your mind that I'm wrong. But regarding science - sure, scientific advances are good, but to PRIMARILY base one's worldview on science is like building your house on sea sand.

        September 17, 2011 at 7:04 am |
      • fimeilleur

        1) Scientists don't know.... yet, but they're still looking.
        2) the genetic sequencing is identical with the sole exception that the end of one chromosome is attached to the start of the other, combining to make one longer gene... look it up.
        3) So evolutionists have 10s of 1000s of evidentiary proofs... and you have one book, written by people with less education than a 7 year old today... prove your creator, and we'll take His opinion on the matter into consideration.
        4) Look up humanist... you'll find very little to do with gods...

        Now answer my questions, they are pretty easy. You said science contradicts itself daily, I want you to see that the bible has contradicted itself since the DAY it was written... go ahead... or better yet... open question... let the debate begin... GO.

        September 17, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
      • kso

        @ ONE
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murchison_meteorite
        BANG!!!

        September 21, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • sybaris

      @ One
      I need more faith to believe that:
      1) You have taken a biology class
      2) You have taken a chemistry class
      3) You have taken an anthropology class
      4) You have taken an astronomy class

      September 17, 2011 at 8:23 am |
    • wayne

      @ONE, life is a chemical reaction all the way to the core. Nothing magical. And although it is a complicated chemical reaction it didn't start that way. Water is the result of a chemical reaction of hydrogen and oxygen. Life could (probably) is the result of countless chance chemical reactions over a very long time. No god needed.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
      • frespech

        The greatest catch all for all scientist- Given enough time- 10.000,000. 100,000.000 a billion who knows anything could possibly occur. Thank you for your wonderful finite explanation. Now go create me a living organizm from existing chemicals and maybe then you have a leg to stand on. 200 generations of fruitflies applying mutations and guess what you come up with. Fruitflies.

        September 19, 2011 at 10:08 am |
      • fimeilleur

        @ frespech,

        Look up the term "ring species". This is a phenomina that is PERFECTLY explained by evolution, yet creationist "don't have a leg to stand on" to use your words. These are creatures that are all the same "kind" (in the biblical sense) 'cause they can all breed with one another except for the first "kind" and the last "kind". We can follow their migration to new environements and everything... all observed... yet the differences are so great after several mutations that breeding between the newest "kind" and the parent "kind" is impossible.

        While evolution doesn't argue the origins of life, all it states is that there is and will be change, over time.

        September 19, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
  43. Jesus Cristo

    kkkristians are so WRONG! What a rakkket!

    September 17, 2011 at 2:53 am |
  44. Jesus Cristo

    This article is a lie! the vile-ble say's the world is only 6k years old. OKAY?

    September 17, 2011 at 2:52 am |
    • Robert

      You're an idiot to think that the Bible says the Earth is 6,000 years old. I dare you to read it to find what it really says.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
  45. steaks from the past

    We should clone dinos if it ever becomes a possibility. Then they should be caged and grew as food for humans, just like cattle. I don't think humans have ever tasted dino meat – mmmm delicious dinoburgers.

    September 17, 2011 at 2:13 am |
    • LeGrisbi

      I bet it's like chicken.

      September 17, 2011 at 3:52 am |
  46. Fossil Hunter 1955

    I read the relatively benign dialogue regarding religion and science, and yawn. I prepare dinosaur bones each weekend at my local dinosaur museum as a volunteer, and am fascinated by the size of the cervical vertebrae I'm cleaning. My dinosaur is a barosaurus, and it appears it suffered from osteomelytis (sp). In my hands is the real deal, not some nebulous, evanescing idea of the earth's creation. When I consider the fact that the human race has just barely arrived on the scene, I laugh at the idea that we, in our short arrival time, know it all.

    I love the fact that most of the earth's 4.6 billion years was human-free, and lived by the rules and the game-changers without our intervention or interpretation. There are species of life which died without a whimper from another species...and we don't know what they were, and it does not matter. I love the fact that when I hold a brachiopod from my local fossil bed, I am holding the Devonian time...a time before dinosaurs; I am a time traveler. I cradle these fragile records in my hands, and marvel at their beauty, and worship the Hands which created them.

    I don't think it matters to the Lord whether we get the big picture wrong or right. I think what really matters is that we understand the big picture's beauty, and the connections between those things which are abiotic and biotic....life and those things which provide the stability for life to exist. And more than anything, to respect and honor life...all of it

    September 17, 2011 at 2:01 am |
    • Wzrd1

      Any sign of damage by predator on the fossils yet? Osteomyelitis in such a creature would more be likely from injuries inflicted by a predator than many other causes, save for dental infections that spread. It would be rather unlikely that a jaw or skull infection spread to cervical vertebrae.
      Those who deny evolution simply also deny animal breeding, for at the end of the day, they're one in the same. Nature selects or humans select, either way, the selectee survives, the non-selected do not survive.
      Consider how rapidly we've bred new breeds of dog, the domestic turkey, various chickens. All within a few animal generations, massive changes were made.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:06 am |
    • Copper's Donut Shoppe

      "I prepare dinosaur bones "
      .
      I find my dog likes them better with some dirt still on. How do you prepare your dog bones?

      September 17, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • Maggie

      Thank you! That was beautifully said. It's nice to see someone actually appreciate the scientific discoveries presented in this blog instead of focusing of petty arguments concerning semantics and religion. Again, thank you. Your comment was very refreshing.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
  47. Tyler

    "OMG UR ALL GOING TO HELL GOD IS GREAT EVOLUTION IS A LIE ALL THOSE SCIENTISTS ARE LYING I'M TELLING YOU THEY'RE ALL A PART OF A SECRET ORGANIZATION CALLED SATAN WORSHIPERS."
    Seriously?

    P.S. That picture of the amber is amazing.

    September 17, 2011 at 12:41 am |
  48. Marine5484

    When people say the earth is 6000 years old......I reach into my pocket...pull out a fossil.....and say fossil! And if they continue to argue with me I throw it just above there heads.

    September 17, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • woosa

      Please try to spell correctly, even though you are a Marine.

      September 17, 2011 at 12:43 am |
      • Jake

        Wow, whether "Marine" is indeed a Marine or not you need to have more respect. Petty insults don't advance your cause at all.

        September 17, 2011 at 1:09 am |
      • @Jake

        Jake – where's the insult?

        September 17, 2011 at 5:55 am |
      • Dawn Castle

        Oh, for pete's sake. get over yourself. nobody cares and stuffiness and arrogance doesn't go over well. we're not in english class.

        September 17, 2011 at 8:08 am |
      • D

        Its spelled correctly, just didn't use the right one. I didnt use apostrophes, who gives a crap, you get the point

        September 17, 2011 at 8:39 am |
      • ckerst

        Could you please point out which word was misspelled. They all look correct to me. Perhaps your pea sized brain became confused and you meant that there was a grammatical error. Moron, no...low class moron.

        September 17, 2011 at 9:20 am |
      • Alien from Alfa Centuria

        I recon you,r gonna say I caint use the word aint in a cetance eather.Hows that for spelling and grammer.I my friend spent 8 years in da 2nd grade and I gradeatied number 25 out of a class of 7.Isn't I smarts?

        WTF does this have to do with the story anyway?

        September 17, 2011 at 9:49 am |
      • Suisei

        There are two morons here... woosa first for making a useless comment and ckerst for pointing out that they couldn't see which word is wrong in Marine's sentence. lol

        September 17, 2011 at 10:09 am |
      • @woosa

        Oh, you're so cool bro.
        Take shots at the ones that serve our country, over a misspelled word that I see used incorrectly in published newspapers and news websites ALL THE TIME. Douchebag.

        September 17, 2011 at 11:27 am |
      • sockpuppet

        I don't know which is more ridiculous, the Grammar Police, or the people defending the original poster based on the fact that he MIGHT be a Marine (as though Marines have a special pass on spelling). You're ALL idiots.

        September 17, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
      • @ppl not noticed spelling error....

        There vs Their! (:

        September 17, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
      • Just

        Of all the outrageous and ridiculous comments here, yours is by far the dumbest.

        September 17, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
    • Jake

      What cracks me up is that fundamentalists still interpret the book of Genesis literally. Scholars have long noted that Genesis contains TWO different creation stories. In the first one plants and animals are created before man. In the second one man is created before anything else. In the first one man and woman are created at the same time. In the second one, they are created at different times. By including two very different creation stories it is obvious that the author of Genesis never meant to give a literal account. This means that 6,000 year bull crap is ridiculous for them to still argue.

      September 17, 2011 at 12:47 am |
      • Tuppencecat

        Genesis, like much of the bible, is allegory no matter which version of the bible one reads. I know that there are many who believe that the earth is 6,000 years old, and nothing any says with dissuade them of that belief.

        September 17, 2011 at 1:41 am |
      • sybaris

        Don't forget that sunlight was created AFTER plants

        September 17, 2011 at 8:19 am |
      • ahpiii

        @Tuppencecat, the danger is in allowing the people who will never be dissuaded into positions of power. Their ability to ignore facts reveals flaws in their reasoning.

        September 17, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
      • heliocracy

        @Kris in AL, seriously, all of your questions are easily answered. If Alabama would bother to give you a proper education, these simple concepts wouldn't seem like magic mumbo-jumbo to you. However, even if there are mysteries to science, what exactly makes you feel that the only alternative to an incomplete, but evolving, worldview is to believe in a magical man who lives in the sky, created the whole universe, but remains chiefly concerned that violent apes living on a spec of dust orbiting one of a billion-trillion stars are using profanity and lusting after their neighbor's wife? You mean because people claimed these things in a book thousands of years ago, they must be true even when they defy known facts? Got news for you, religion is designed make people easier to govern. That is all it has ever been.

        September 17, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • Peytonator

      I need more faith to believe that
      1) life can proceed from non-life contrary to the Law of Biogenesis
      2) random mutations can add new genetic information to a genome, contrary to all scientific observation
      3) the human brain, with its 100 billion neurons processing perfectly at 100 million MIPS, can have come into existence statistically BY ACCIDENT.
      4) the universe is utterly meaningless
      - than that an Almighty Creator of the Universe designed it all, and spoke it into existence. Ask a mere child, whether his cute little art class painting was designed or not. Oh wait, it was an accident.

      I find it amazing that darkened minds will base their entire worldview and eternal state on science, when with each decade, new scientific discoveries contradict old ones. For instance, Newton's equations are a mere approximation to reality, and so are Schrödinger's. V actually doesn't always equal I*R , and yet you were taught so. Amazing how people trust science so much, at the expense of rejecting God, who created it, and sustains it. Yet, there is no contradiction between science and the Bible, because the same God who made science, made the Bible.

      September 17, 2011 at 3:21 am |
      • Mccccc

        There is nothing accidental about evolution. Perhaps you might actually want to learn what it is about before you go back to blindly believing your fairy tales. Although I'm pretty sure you lack the mental capacity to ever understand such things.

        September 17, 2011 at 3:31 am |
      • Mccccc

        PS. you are frighteningly insane (just like all of the other cult members out there).

        September 17, 2011 at 3:34 am |
      • TK

        "For instance, Newton's equations are a mere approximation to reality, and so are Schrödinger's. V actually doesn't always equal I*R , and yet you were taught so."

        If you were "taught so" any time in the late 20th or early 21st century, then you had a very poor education. Maybe that's why you still believe in fairy tales. Wow. Needless to say, I was taught that these were theories which had been superseded by more advanced but still not definitive theories in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Again, wow.

        September 17, 2011 at 3:55 am |
      • Alan

        DERRRRRRRRR

        September 17, 2011 at 3:59 am |
      • fimeilleur

        Well, you posted this twice, I guess I'll answer you twice.

        1) the theory of evolution says no such thing... It starts with the principle that life exists.
        2) random mutations do add new information, for example, the great apes have one more pair of chromosomes than we do, and by studying the start and stop of each pair, we see that the 23rd chromosome in humans is actually fused from two separate chromosomes in apes.
        3) yes it can, as all brains tend to fire neurones at roughly the same speed, it would only go to show that brain activity has developed more or less the same throughout the animal kingdom.
        4) who says it's meaningless? Do you need to grovel at an unseen being's unseen feet for your life to have meaning? Why can't you just strive to make life/society/education/technology (etc) better for future generations?

        You can't compare something that was obviously created (inanimate objects) to something that acts of it's own accord... you are comparing apples to oranges and... well... it doesn't work.

        Now, you take the fact that science changes it's view with the outcome of new information... and treat it like it's a bad thing... you'd hope that the scientific community would change, especially when they find evidence to the contrary of what is believed... Now what does your bible do? It's defenders constantly scream "context" or "you're reading it wrong" or "that's the wrong version of the bible"... so here are a few questions for you:

        1) Who has seen the face of God?
        2) What were Jesus' last words on the cross? (keep in mind, there's only one thing he could have said at this time... and his words are extremely important, so you know that they are absolutely correctly recorded)
        3) Can man be righteous?
        4) What colour robe was Jesus given?

        Please, provide me with chapter and verse... and then I'll show you why you're wrong... remember: You said God made the bible... So God can't be wrong... or can he?

        September 17, 2011 at 5:02 am |
      • Tim

        i like how you say science contradicts itself every so often. i mean its not like we have new and better technology to prove everything wrong that has been proven. and i also find this very interesting. religion says god made us in his image correct? well a few years ago the catholic church said there could be aliens out in space somewhere. and they used the words intelligent life meaning like us smart humans. now correct me if im wrong here? but what would happen if we ever met those intelligent life forms and they were different then us in every way? does that mean another god created them in his image if yes then that means there is more then one god most religions go against. now i wonder which is more believable? that we BRANCHED off the family tree of apes or that one man found two of every animal and put them on his single boat or that a huge group of slaves wandered the desert for 40 days and nights and didn't die of dehydration. or how about that moses can part the sea and nobody else has been able to do that since? why did all these people get these special powers then and not now? there are believers like there was back then how come they can't part the sea or speak with god? all im saying is until you can give evidence that all of that 100% for sure even 90% for sure happened im staying with the theory of evolution on this.

        September 17, 2011 at 5:23 am |
      • Rasputin

        No faith needed to know you are a fool.

        September 17, 2011 at 5:39 am |
      • Tim

        @Rasputin tell me how im a fool?

        September 17, 2011 at 6:01 am |
      • Wzrd1

        So, random mutations do not add or delete from the genome. So, therefor, there are no chickens, only the wild fowl of SE Asia. The turkey is the same thing as the butterball in the freezer, no difference, in spite of the one in the grocer's freezer being flightless and its breeding (man guided evolution) was extensively documented.
        New, 1-2 generation old dog breeds always existed. No new breeds of any creature exist, because the genome is fixed.
        The bible says that the sun orbits the Earth, regardless of all observations proving, even from orbit, to the contrary.
        When in orbit or even on the moon, no great wheels were observed in space, regardless of such mention in the bible.
        Where is that unicorn? What is a Nephilim, why is it called a giant in your bible, yet the Hebrew does NOT translate it as giant and how does it change the meaning of several books of the bible?
        Why is it science is evil because what was taught a generation ago is refined to a more precise meaning, rather than a loose one. I'll have to look up any changes to E=I*R, I'm unaware of any changes, but it's been over 30 years since I studied electronics...

        September 17, 2011 at 7:49 am |
      • Kris in AL

        I just want to know the origin of life? Please with all the money, scientists and labs in the world, re-create how that pool of slime was struck by lighting and life sprang up?

        Please explain to me how all that lighter than air gas concentrated at the center of our solar system and was compressed to the point (and still is being compressed) to the point where nuclear fussion began.

        Please explain the force, mechanism, chemical process that CAUSES the evolution of non self aware plants and animals to adapt and adopt changes to their genetic code which causes physical change.......How does a flower know what color is? How did a tiger decide it needed stripes? How does a tree create aerodynamic seed pods?

        September 17, 2011 at 8:14 am |
      • PR

        You say science contradict itself therefore IT IS WRONG
        I say church contradict itself (world is flat and lets kill who says otherwise, earth is the center of the universe lets kill who does not believe, lets kill everyone who is not a christian etc etc) therefore IT IS WRONG.
        You are right in your logic everyone IS WRONG: science and religion.

        September 17, 2011 at 8:57 am |
      • Science > religion

        @ Kris in AL
        You are an idiot. If you opened up a 10th grade science textbook you would fine the answers`to your questions.
        Hydrogen gas clouds can begin to clump together for a variety of reasons, and with increased gravitational attraction (as the clump gets larger) more gas is captured.
        As for evolution, the main driving force is natural selection. Random mutations can have three outcomes: they can be beneficial, lethal, or have no effect. If a plant or animal has developed a mutation that helps it survive better in its environment then chances are it will live to pass on this mutation to its offspring. Over many generations this mutation will become more common as individuals that lack it will be outcompeted by those who have it. A good example is Darwins Finches, look it up

        September 17, 2011 at 9:07 am |
      • Kevin

        The Bible is not a science book. Faith and science don't need to be exclusive of each other. There are some who would use science to disprove a creator. Others believe each written incident actually happened, and that the world is 6,000 years old. I want to hear nothing from either, particularly from a politician.

        September 17, 2011 at 9:14 am |
      • geniusforall

        exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        September 17, 2011 at 9:15 am |
      • SKyle

        You exemplify the most frightening form of nutjob; one that sounds moderately educated.

        September 17, 2011 at 9:37 am |
      • prof dingleberry

        For those who commented to this post: it is interesting to see a reasoned argument responded to with unreasonable rhetoric. How about an actual debate, exchanging well-constructed views, not “knee-jerk” reactionary drivel?

        September 17, 2011 at 9:55 am |
      • Birdemic

        One of the major arguments of the evolution deniers is that no one has ever seen evolution. (This argument is not meaningful since evolution does not happen while watching it). Regardless, how can one criticize evolution and then claim God did this or God did that from Bible stories when no one was ever around to see the things claimed in the bible?

        September 17, 2011 at 9:59 am |
      • Mattmchugh

        If you want something that contradicts itself a lot, the Bible is great for that.

        Of course, that's pretty much what you'd expect from a collection of hundreds of hand-copied scrolls written in numerous languages over the course of about a thousand years and not collected into a semi-definitive anthology until roughly 500 years after the death of Christ and exists today in hundreds of translated/paraphrased versions.

        Takes a lot more faith to see that as the eternal Word of God than it does to accept genetic variation over time.

        - mm

        September 17, 2011 at 11:51 am |
      • Simon

        Each of your statements comes from ignorance. You do not understand what it is that you are criticizing. You have probably never even attempted to understand abiogenesis, cosmology or evolution. And the information is right there for you to discover. Try using your computer for something other than fapping to porn and leaving ignorant comments on news websites.

        September 17, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
      • Brett

        Alright Peytonator, explain to me how this magnificent omnipotent Being you call God can pop into existence without a creator. You can't believe the universe could happen by accident, but you CAN believe a being even greater than the universe could happen by accident??? Bizarre logic there.

        September 17, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
      • Tim

        @Kris in AL its pretty simple really? one day god said outta nowhere even though there was nothing in the universe im going to create myself out of nothing. then im going to throw out the earth. but wait the earth needs trillions of things to orbit around it so he put the sun in there to warm us up and made it orbit around us. then he made the garden of eden. and threw adam in it and you know the story from there. adam and eve had many kids all of which were boys so back in the day guys were screwing guys and producing babies. so please since your questions were answered please answer mine now. 1.) how did god create himself from nothing? 2.)how did noah build his ark big enough to fit two of every animal on earth even the ones from other continents? 3.) if were supposedly the only intelligent life in all of space why are religions starting to come out and admit there could be other intelligent life in space? 4.) why in the ten commandments does number 6 say do not murder when the church said go murder everyone who is not a christian? 5.) why does every church have millions of documents for there "bible" hidden away? what are we not allowed to read? please if not you someone else answer my questions

        September 17, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
      • JohnK

        Where did you learn that – Pseudoscience 101?

        September 17, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • adam

      their

      September 17, 2011 at 6:08 am |
    • Chris

      Lewis Black is the man!

      September 17, 2011 at 8:07 am |
    • free2do

      Hahaha! This just in.....saddle found on dinosaur remains.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:40 am |
      • RonPur

        Must be from that new Terra Nova tv series!

        September 17, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Chris

      Marine these folks have themselves convinced that something exists....with 0 proof and only a single book written 200 years after the death of a guy. They can easily counter that with. "Well its a test from god. Its to test our faith". They really do make me sick.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:13 am |
      • frespech

        Chris: It isn't and was not a single book like a Harry Potter novel. It is compiled from a selection of some 66 scrollls written by over 40 authors covering over 1500 years of History.
        Lets at least try to be accurate along with our condemnation.

        September 19, 2011 at 9:48 am |
    • Shayna

      Thank you, Lewis Black. You should at least give him credit. He also said, "for these people, the Flintstones is a documentary!"

      September 17, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • Shayna

      That's a quote from Lewis Black. He also said, "for these people the Flintstones is a documentary!"

      FYI, I don't have to respect your beliefs, only your right to have them.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:52 am |
    • Dan

      Respect what? That idiots still believe the earth was created by some mythical boogey man?

      September 17, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Sean

      I was forced to go to Catholic high school and i know thousands of people of faith.. I have never met anyone who believes the earth is only 6,000 years old.. The only people I have heard even mention it are trolls who simply want to bash Christians.. So please, go away troll..

      September 17, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • wayne

      "there head" should be "their head".

      September 17, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • rillegas08

      When people say the earth is 6000 years old......I reach into my pocket...pull out a fossil.....and say fossil! And if they continue to argue with me I throw it just above there heads.

      Just because it's a fossil does not mean that it's millions of years old. The petrification/fossilization process can happen quickly under the right circumstances. For instance, there's a cave in Knavesborough, Yorkshire, England, where people have been using the stalactites to petrify things for at least 120 years. See this excerpt from Scientific American, March 23, 1889: http://www.creationinthecrossfire.com/Articles/Fossilization.htm Immediately below this story is the report of a woman buried August 20, 1847, and exhumed to be reburied about a mile away in April of the next year. When her body was examined, it was found that her body had completely petrified. This website goes on with more reports of preserved remains and the geological column, providing strong support that the modern interpretation of evolution is faulty.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:30 am |
      • fimeilleur

        Ummm... The quickest growing stalactites are those formed by fast-flowing water rich in calcium carbonate and carbon dioxide, these can grow at 3 mm (0.12 inches) per year. An average growth rate is 0.13 mm (0.0051 inches) a year. So at BEST you'll have an inch of growth in just under ten years, on average, you'll have an inch of growth in 200 years.

        I think you've been lied to, again.

        September 17, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • Open mind

      Here is an interesting book for you to consider “The Science of God” Dr. Gerald Schroeder. Not an easy read (involves a bit a math) but worth It.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • SCAtheist

      Don't worry fellow Marine – we're allowed typos too.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:47 am |
    • sockpuppet

      I don't know which is more ridiculous, the Grammar Police, or the people defending the original poster based on the fact that he MIGHT be a Marine (as though Marines have a special pass on spelling). You're ALL idiots.

      September 17, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • Conky2012

      If you are living in 2011 and you really believe the earth is 6000 years old, you are too far lost.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    • jon

      lol .. one of my favourite Lewis Black’s quotes!

      September 17, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • Temi

      It doesnt take millions of years for something to fossilize so how does that prove your point?

      September 19, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
  49. Ben

    Cool.

    I've been fasinated by Dino's sence Kindergarten. I think it is incredible we are finding things like this.

    It's cool to think of Dino's as primative bird like creatures running in formations, singing songs and dancing around like cranes or swans. It must of been quite a show.

    Hopefully this will help scientists understand how genes work and (yes I'm going to say it) how evolution can change a being. Maybe discoveries like this can lead to eradicating cancer and Genetic mutations like Down's syndrome and Autism.

    September 17, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • A hobby

      It is cool to find stuff like this and that would be amazing if this could be put to such a use but ever since Jurassic Park came out scientists have been quick to explain that there is almost zero useful DNA to be extracted from any fossil record. I'm not sure cancer research is where paleontology is headed.

      September 17, 2011 at 12:17 am |
      • Pope Jon

        Let me guess hobby, I bet you think NASA is a complete waste of time and money to....

        September 17, 2011 at 12:31 am |
      • ConfucianScholar

        Please don't post your inane opinion again.

        September 17, 2011 at 1:15 am |
      • A hobby

        No I don't think NASA is a waste of time. Are you saying that I am incorrect? There is very little usable DNA found in fossils and that small amount would probably not be much use to cancer research. Did I step on someone's toes here?

        September 17, 2011 at 1:27 am |
      • mop

        Hobby,

        Just because we can't find usable DNA doesn't meant we should abandon spending time and effort in this field – who knows what discoveries are just waiting to be found. If you are not happy that there is money and effort being pumped into this field rather then cancer research... well... I can think of many examples that are of much better to focus your anger on (creation science comes to mind...)

        September 17, 2011 at 2:13 am |
      • Codifex

        What Hobby is saying is: DNA is so so very fragile that the chance of any Dino DNA surviving is practically nil. DNA in your body has to be constantly repaired by enzymes; DNA outside of living tissue does not get the benefit of constant repair. Damage to DNA is caused by just about everything that comes in contact with it.

        FACT: We have trouble getting viable DNA from samples as recent as 10,000 years or so.

        September 17, 2011 at 3:11 am |
      • David

        WOW!! How quickly you witch hunters inferred something in hobby's casual comments upon which to pounce!

        September 17, 2011 at 3:38 am |
    • Ben

      I'll settle for a 1000 lb chicked leg. They found DNA in the marrow of a T-rex thigh bone. Maybe that could be the contribution dinosaurs can make.

      September 17, 2011 at 12:27 am |
      • A hobby

        I think KFC is coming close to that. Don't they already have chickens that can't stand up because their breasts are too big?

        September 17, 2011 at 1:49 am |
      • Codifex

        What *I* want is a Fried Moa. I mean, they had to taste good – all those Maori's just ate the Moa out of existence.

        September 17, 2011 at 3:14 am |
1 2

Contributors

  • Elizabeth Landau
    Writer/Producer
  • Sophia Dengo
    Senior Designer