Mars may have had oceans
The European Space Agency's Mars Express shows sediments that could indicate oceans were once present on the red planet.
February 6th, 2012
03:39 PM ET

Mars may have had oceans

The idea that Mars once had oceans is a controversial one: It's been proposed before, and formations that look like shorelines have been found in images from a variety of spacecraft.

Now scientists, after analyzing data from the European Space Agency's Mars Express mission, have concluded that the northern plains of Mars may have had an ocean.

Mars Express' MARSIS radar, deployed in 2005, penetrates deep into the Martian surface. Scientists from the Institut de Planétologie et d’Astrophysique de Grenoble and University of California, Irvine, say that the first 60 to 80 meters of the planet's subsurface shows evidence of sedimentary material and ice, indicating that an ocean could have existed there.

Scientists are proposing not just one, but two possible oceans in the same area. The first ocean would have existed 4 billion years ago when Mars was warmer.

The second would have existed 3 billion years ago after Mars sustained an ice-melting impact. It would have been temporary since the water either refroze or vaporized into the atmosphere.

Evidence of oceans in this case doesn't indicate life, however, the scientists say. The second, temporary ocean probably wouldn't have existed long enough to sustain life, the French institute's Dr. Jérémie Mouginot said in a statement. To find life, astrobiologists will have to study parts of Mars' history when water may have existed for longer periods of time.

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    February 7, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • guy

      just going to throw it out there........ when you die nothing happens..... i hope it bothers you i said this..... no really though i hope it bothers you that i specifically targeted you to say this to. i hope the answer is in your book. good luck

      February 8, 2012 at 6:00 am |
    • Shayna

      Methinks you should go back to school for English & spelling.

      February 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
  2. best

    Furthermore athiests started false arguments, ie. dinosaurs. the bible says all the beasts in the fields both large and small, where is this leaving out dinosaurs? also the bible mentions nephilims, who were made from the 'sons of God coming down to marry the daughters of men'....that could easily be interperted as 'aliens'. further, there is 'living creatures, created creatures, angels, seraphim, cherubim'. those discriptions could easily be 'aliens' creatures God made from all over the universe.

    February 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • timmy

      The bible was also written by over 30 different HUMAN BEINGS over 1500+ YEARS. HEARSAY AT BEST!

      February 8, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • timmy

      and its pretty conceited to think god would choose our small, insignificant species to "create us in gods image".

      February 8, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
  3. best

    Great verses kevin e. i would kindly like to say that pretty much all people dont understand the bible's real meanings, they only know how to comprehend whats clear on the surface. our creator's intelligence is far beyond any human grasp. the bible is full of hidden mathmatics, codes, and mostly about right now, the present. none of you know that because its meant for only 1 person to understand, and that one person is here.

    February 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  4. dwane jackson

    universal code % earth has alot of creatures -many of these excret chemicals that travel thru earths jet stream & travel through space =thus for creating some asteroids comets and massive planet like structures~PlEoAvCeE@#

    February 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
  5. Greg'saDork

    Willful ignorance and religious fundamentalism go hand in hand. Scientists get critiqued by their peers, and are often proven wrong. Some even get publicly humiliated. Science evolves as our understanding and evidence increases (every minute of every day). Religion is the most dangerous invention of man. Christianity was invented, and reinvented and then modified, time and time again. How can there be 100's of different versions and any one of them be "the truth." Oh yeah, *your* bible is the right one. Sure it is. Whatever you say. Check your brains at the door. You won't be needed them.

    February 7, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      100s? try 38,000 versions (wikipedia's un-exhausted list)... 🙂

      February 7, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
  6. Joe

    I think what's going to be found is that ice is key to maintaining water on a planetary body in space. Get too much water back into the environment and it creates conditions for the atmosphere and its associated water content to leach off quickly into space.

    February 7, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
  7. clark

    wanna know where all the water went? Martians Suck! There!

    February 7, 2012 at 11:55 am |
  8. Enki

    Aliens are here now, who ever said they wouldn't look just like you is a fool.

    February 7, 2012 at 11:47 am |
  9. Jim Eberle

    Mars did have oceans, but not 4 billion years ago. The sun is warming by 1% per 100 million years. 4 billion years ago Mars did not receive enough solar radiation to support water in the liquid state. I hypothesize that Mars goes through "atmosphere ages" much like Earth's ice ages; caused by an as yet undiscovered perturbation in the orbit of Mars around the sun. In the more favorable orientation when Mars receives more solar radiation, the frozen carbon dioxide in the soil sublimates, dramatically increasing the surface atmospheric pressure of Mars from an average of 7 millibars to perhaps as high as 200 millibars. This then ushers in a spectacular warming event that subsequently melts the water ice trapped in the soil and rock, filling the low basins of Mars with water. In time the pattern reverses, the water freezes, is buried by dust and reincorporated into sediments; the CO2 atmosphere sublimates back to dry ice and is largely buried by sediments. This process may cycle once every few hundred million years.

    February 7, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • ChaoticDreams

      "the sun is warming"...really? REALLY? the sun is cooling over time as directly demonstrable as when fusion originally started there was a rapid burst of fusion which then died down, and also as observable by the fact that there are heavier elements moreso than previously which cause the temperature to cool.

      February 11, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
  10. Jason

    I find is very funny that some people blow this off and say no way, yet believe hands down that some magical sky fairy is watching over us and that an evil goblin is causing people to do bad things. It makes me LMFAO.

    February 7, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • Jason

      I find "it" very funny^^^^

      February 7, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • ecbutler

      well said haha

      February 7, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • God

      Welcome to the world you live in...

      February 7, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Joe

      Far worse, these people are out-breeding you by a ration of 10:1.

      February 7, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
      • Joe

        * ratio

        February 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
  11. don Jones

    The necessary conditions do not exist and have never existed. Not enough gravity and much to cold

    February 7, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • Jason

      And you know this how?

      February 7, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • Jason

      Of course they did.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • ecbutler

      you missed the part where mars was much warmer, which gives the capability for an atmosphere to form amplifying the effect.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • Jared

      You pretend to know what science has not yet concluded and not like this article holds facts but that you certainly do not. When will people stop for just a moment,mlook around and beyond and realize there is much more obvious than mysterious. Of course mars has water it's even frozen at its caps, of course mars had oceans, of course there is ground water, and of course life existed there. Life is abundant in the universe. As soon as you primitive thinking foes mve aside, us wiser younger generations can get some long needed reality checks for you all.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • SilentBoy741

      That's what they said about Minnesota, but look at it now.

      February 7, 2012 at 11:39 am |
  12. NC

    "Now scientists, after analyzing data from the European Space Agency's Mars Express mission, have concluded that the northern plains of Mars "may" have had an ocean."

    concluding that something "may" have happened is not a conclusion...

    not that I don't agree that this is possible, it's just that these scientists are sounding like meteorolgists...

    February 7, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • Chris R

      I think you are misunderstanding how scientists use language. Basically, unless there is *direct* and irrefutable observation of something a scientist will always included the possibility, no matter how remote, that they could be wrong. So if a scientist sees a muddy puddle on the ground in the middle of a field with nothing else around they would say "This muddly puddle may have been caused by rain". They are saying this is the most likely conclusion based on the evidence that they have. However, they are not dismissing the possibility that the muddy puddle could have been caused by an unseen spring, a person who dumped a lot of water there, or some other phenomenon they didn't think of. In science there is *very* little that is 100% certain which is why conclusions that are drawn are couched in terms expressing possibility rather than certainty.

      Also, this is a conclusion – based on the evidence that they have they, what they know about geology, their knowledge of chemistry and other science that feel that an ocean is the *best* explanation for what they see. That's a conclusion.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:54 am |
      • fimeilleur

        Thank you for that. Well stated.

        February 7, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
      • Katie

        Great explanation! Always disturbing to see how ignorant most people are about Science.

        February 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
  13. disagreement

    At first I kind of think, eh we don't really have the money to fund this research. But then I think, well we should probably start figuring out how to colonize other planets before we nuke each other to death.

    February 7, 2012 at 9:56 am |
    • Daniel

      NASA's entire budget is about .5% of the total federal budget, so we are not using much to do this....

      February 7, 2012 at 10:20 am |
      • Katie

        Not to mention the financial returns produced by scientific innovation and technology.

        February 7, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
  14. MyTake

    Why when there is an interesting article concerning life and new evidence do the lunatic theist stop by to ignorantly rant about what they don't know about? Why to idiots attempt to put down this news as scientist this there *may* have been water?

    February 7, 2012 at 9:54 am |
  15. JasonP

    My experience from this planet has been that life will not be stopped, that it springs up fast and springs up everywhere. There's probably more planets with life than without.

    February 7, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • Jason

      Of course there are. Only people with small minds would think there is only a magical sky wizard and that this planet is only 20,000 years old.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:56 am |
      • Reemo

        Bitter much?

        February 7, 2012 at 10:00 am |
      • Chris R

        Hi. Some of us believe in a magical sky wizard *and* think the planet is at least 4.5 billion years old and that life evolved through natural processes. I know it's easy to be dismissive of people who don't agree with you on every little detail but it may be worth keeping in mind that you probably have more in common with people than differences.

        February 7, 2012 at 10:56 am |
      • Steve_vgm

        It might help you and a lot of other people to grasp the concept of God if you laid out on the picnic table late at night under a starry sky and tried to picture the universe and what contains it. Can the universe really just go on, forever, doing whatever it is universes do, nice and orderly, with no real grand purpose? But yet people can ignore the idea of God and keep searching for some great tribe of friendly terrestrial kind of aliens to come to Earth and save us from, ok...

        February 7, 2012 at 11:48 am |
      • fimeilleur

        @ Chris R,

        You seem like an intelligent person. Your other posts lead me to conclude that you understand the scientific process. (YAY) I ask you this: of the thousands of gods that the human race has invented, why do you believe in the one you do? How can you not see, that if you apply the same criteria for dismissing Thor, Anubis, Baal, Vishnu, etc., against your current god, you'd have the same grounds to dismiss "It's" existence. With all that science has been able to explain about the known universe, why assume that the unknown is best explained by "the god of the gaps"?

        February 7, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Lemark

      Althought there are almost certainly many planets with life, most of them probably don't have life. As far as we know today, there are specific requiremenst for life that would most likely eliminate a majority of planets from having life.
      If you limit your search to planets in the habitability zone of a star with liquid water.... I would probably agree.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:03 am |
    • ﺶCHEﺶ

      Your grandpa is anxiously waiting for call since he departed to the next planet. Any reason(s) why you haven't taken the time to call? Call home will ya? I'm just a messenger.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • ecbutler

      With the trillions of planets out there the chances are there must be life on quite a few, however most planets do not satisfy the conditions for life as we understand them.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:24 am |
      • Chris R

        I think it's likely that there are other planets with life and advanced civilizations. We will *never* meet them though. Faster than light travel is the stuff of science fiction. Physics are what they are. The distances are vast and the ships are slow. This one planet is all we are going to have.

        February 7, 2012 at 10:58 am |
      • Seraphim0

        Re: FTL Travel: I guess you missed some of the buzz when it was postulated that the speed of light may not be absolute or constant.

        February 7, 2012 at 11:49 am |
  16. Reemo

    I'm getting a little tired of all of these "oooh, we found new evidence that might support some theory that might change a blurb in or science books" articles. When are we gonna get the "I found an alien and his name is Bob" articles? Those are the articles I wanna read.

    February 7, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • Robert

      If you are tired, then rest. Science and exploration does not work the way you want it to work.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:51 am |
      • Reemo

        Of course they don't, but news articles do. The scientists aren't the ones making these articles. The geeky authors who get excited about a turd in space make these articles.

        (Although, now that I think of it, a turd in space would be exciting news. That would mean someone's out there pooping a storm.)

        February 7, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • Jason

      Yet, I would bet you believe without a second thought of a magical sky wizard that watches over us and the whole human race came from 2 people (Adam and Eve)...

      February 7, 2012 at 9:58 am |
      • Chris R

        You've got a huge chip on your shoulder don't you? So far the only person bringing up God is you. Why is that?

        February 7, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • Bob

      Yah uh, my friend Chico said you were looking for me?

      February 7, 2012 at 10:10 am |
  17. PassingThru

    All the whackos come out on this one. Read the first few posting and WOW!

    It interesting to think of life on different planets as being possible in the past or our future. Perhaps, though, life on Earth is unique. It had just the right ingredients to produce life – which is incredibly complex when you get to the soul of it.

    February 7, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Daniel

      The vast amount of time easily explains the complexity. Life seems capable of forming relatively quickly, if the conditions are right. For example, Jupiter's moon Europa might sustain life. And we are starting to find planets around other stars that might have the right conditions, too.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:57 am |
  18. angryoldguy

    Well, judging from what I've read here, one thing I can say for sure is that obviously, most humans are dumber than a sack of doorknobs!

    February 7, 2012 at 9:41 am |
  19. Porsche73rs

    Looks photoshopped, not the best evidence in my book.

    February 7, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • David

      Of course it was photoshopped, to illustrate the article. They didn't have cameras focused on Mars three billion years ago. You understand that....right?

      February 7, 2012 at 9:43 am |
      • JasonP

        hahahaha you go David!! 🙂 🙂

        February 7, 2012 at 9:46 am |
      • Dave1955

        But it's BAD photoshopping. If indeed oceans existed on Mars, they wouldn't have been blue.

        February 7, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • wakeups


      February 7, 2012 at 10:15 am |
  20. erich2112x

    Minus 60 degrees F in the shade, plus 230 in the sun.....And Mars has been in the same orbital path around the sun for billions of years. Stop pandering for more funding with all this balderdash.

    February 7, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      Mars never gets anywhere near that warm. And with an atmosphere, which it used to have, it would be about the same temp as earth. Space programs need more funding

      February 7, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Gabe

      Sorry, -20F in the sun. You're thinking of the moon.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:43 am |
  21. John Carter

    Oh, to be once more roaming the ancient dead sea bottoms of Barsoom, astride a swift thoat, hunting banths...

    February 7, 2012 at 9:35 am |
    • Dejah Thoris

      Please pick up a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread before coming home My Prince.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:59 am |
  22. Bob

    Look at all these scientific experts ... and they say the U.S. isn't producing well educated scientists and engineers anymore!

    Psychology is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

    February 7, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • PassingThru

      uh-huh. agreed

      February 7, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • Jason

      Religion is a bunch of fairytales that men wrote. Guess what, the Earth is more than 20,000 years old silly people.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:53 am |
      • John

        And science is absolute fact that is never wrong – which is why the weatherman is right so much of the time.
        Take heart Jason, when your science fails you, faith will not.

        February 7, 2012 at 11:08 am |
      • fimeilleur

        @ John,

        I think you have your facts wrong dude, science is wrong all the time... the difference is, science admits its mistakes and learns from them... religion, does not... with all the overwhelming evidence in multiple scientific fields with regards to the age of the earth, for example, why are there still "creationists"? I'll answer for you: DOGMA. The unfaltering "truth" of a 4 thousand year old book, written by superset itious, fearful, vengeful, ignorant men...

        Faith is just "stubborn" glorified.

        February 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
  23. ICKelly

    Life is on many planets, only humans think they are the only ones... so explain to me about the elephants, ants, whales, .... planets are millions upon millions of years old, life comes and goes all the time....again only humans think so small.

    February 7, 2012 at 9:10 am |
    • ktisis

      Actually, when one considers the complexities of just one aspect of life, e.g. DNA, all such talk of life on other planets becomes an emotional fantasy. Neither science, logic, nor probability mathematics allow for such speculation. To posit that "there must be life" out there is an argument not only from silence, but also from an emotional proclivity and bias.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:17 am |
      • Cedar Rapids

        Wait, are you trying to suggest that because it happened here that probability suggests that it could not have happened elsewhere?

        February 7, 2012 at 9:27 am |
      • nicole

        Yes, because when considering the vast size of the universe the only logical conclusion is that we are the only place that managed to develop microbes (or non carbon based analogs).

        February 7, 2012 at 9:38 am |
      • MyTake

        Ah, come on, say it ... "God created life here and that settles it" - at least express the strength of your convictions. - LOL
        You are, ofcourse, exactly wrong.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:39 am |
      • ?

        Not only is you understanding of probability flawed since it does allow you to speculate but you also use DNA as your example of why life is unlikely elsewhere? Most scientists agree DNA came much later after life originated and its current complexity is due to subsequent evolution. Pretty sure you proved the original comments point.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • JJC

      How do you know that ONLY humans thank that small? Are you sure squirrels don't think that small? Have you spoken with ALL of the animals, Dr. Doolittle, to know how they think? What in the world are you talking about? Do you actually think you are being deep and mysterious?

      February 7, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • Jb2012

      Aren't you a human?

      February 7, 2012 at 9:24 am |
  24. Rolf

    Maybe this shows the possibility that our ancestors from whatever millions of years ago lived on Mars. After we screwed that planet up by using our intellectual abilities to its fullest, we had to come here. Maybe, after Earth is destroyed by us, we will migrate elsewhere. Is it possible that if, and that's a big IF,intelligent life exists on our next prospective planet there might be severe immigration restrictions. Well, we will put our spaceships in reverse and seek out other worlds and find another planet wth open and free borders

    February 7, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • hippypoet

      yeah, lol.... a mistranslation gave us atlantis when it should have been mars right.. lol

      February 7, 2012 at 9:08 am |
      • ke

        intelligent life out there?....obviously not intelligent enough to contact humans.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • Mega_Deth

      Ummm... Mars had oceans BILLIONS of years ago. Humans evolved on this planet and started only a few million years ago. That is fact.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:28 am |
  25. EdR

    So in summary.. until now scientists have suspected that there were once oceans on Mars.. but now scientist suspect there were once oceans on mars.

    February 7, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • DrD

      let us help you - there is new evidence to support the hypothesis

      February 7, 2012 at 8:56 am |
  26. Jeff

    This is news? Nothing new in the report at all. Poor Europeans wasting all that money for nothing. It's like saying "Mars may have had life at one time," or "man may have evolved from apes." Tell us something we don't already know or something that is new. Wake me up when you can conclusively say "Mars had life, and here is the fossil evidence."

    February 7, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • DrD

      Sure, go to sleep ... we'll wake you up ...

      February 7, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • Primewonk

      These stories seek to explain some aspect of science. Unfortunately some folks don't even understand the most basic concepts of science. Like when you mentioned that humans evolved from apes. Humans most certainly did not evolve from apes. We ARE apes. We share common ancestery with other apes.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:13 am |
      • LeRoy_Was_Here

        Yes, we ARE apes, but we also evolved from earlier apes.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:16 am |
      • Cedar Rapids

        "but we also evolved from earlier apes"

        erm, no, not really, we shared an ancestor but that ancestor wasn't technically an ape.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • LeRoy_Was_Here

      There is a MASSIVE amount of fossil evidence-and genetic evidence as well-that humans DID evolve from apes. It is NOT a hypothesis. Encyclopedia Britannica: Evolution, or the claim that all life on Earth has a common descent, is a fact as well-established as the facts that the Earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the Sun.

      Go join the Flat Earth Society, if you want.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • Alpine8

      ...aren't you late for your shift at McDonalds?

      February 7, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • MyTake

      Humans did not evolve from Apes ... we *are* Apes and we evolved from a common ancestor.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:43 am |
  27. hippypoet

    science, its a beautiful thing... they've been saying that Mars had oceans on it for years...its kinda like the egg and the yoke...but i think the debate is over – there was once oceans like that of ours on Mars. Only an @sumption but that kinda makes me think that life once existed on Mars and when the planet become less inhabitible they "jumped ship"! (space pun intended) That opens up all new doors, ones that some had already dwelled on but most have only thought of as Sci -fi!

    February 7, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • gremlinus

      I'm pretty sure they've been saying Mars had water for years, but frozen. Life is one, but not the only criteria for habitability. Mars has other factors that make life there unlikely.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:48 am |
      • Rags

        Life can be in many forms, some currently unknown.

        February 7, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • hippypoet

      to branch a guess at what another life form may look like is to be very arrogant in thinking that there is a limit to what life could look like in the first place.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • nojazz2005


      Not making any logical sense at all. There has not been presented any tangible proof of life on Mars or previous life on Mars. What I mean by tangible is the remnant of building or structures, fossils, etc. I hope you know that because an ocean may have existed in the past does not mean that life was present. What type of ocean exited? Water? Methane? Ice? Hydrogen? Too many questions left unanswered to assume that life may have once existed on Mars? Chasing waterfalls.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:35 am |
      • hippypoet

        but i love chasing waterfalls – screw the rivers and streams i'm use to! – and as i said, its aggorance to think we know anything but what we can prove time and time again so we know very little about mars and saying such about mars having life on it isn't really out of the question – for instance – what if the life was beyond advanced and lived as spheres of energy which had the ability to leave and travel across great distances at will....what then? when the possibilities are endless its silly not to have fun with thoughts. let the creativity run wild like that of a raging river.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:50 am |
  28. Realityblowz

    LOOK IN THE PHOTO!!! There is a green flare spurting from Mars, drawing a green mist behind it. A beautiful, but somehow disturbing sight.

    February 7, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Pete

      Courtesy Photoshop.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • DrD

      its not a photograph

      February 7, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • ALS

      I think he is quoting lines from Jeff Wayne's musical version of "War of the Worlds".

      February 7, 2012 at 9:11 am |
      • cynthia hicks

        no,,, its a direct quote of H.G." Wells "war of the worlds" of which most of Jeff Wayne's musical was based on, word for word.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • cynthia hicks

      You know this means WAR!!
      I can feel it,,, across the gulf of space, intellects, vastly superior to ours cold and unsympathetic, regarding this earth with envious eyes are slowly and surely drawing their plans against us! 🙂

      February 7, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • Realityblowz

      You are both correct. Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds is a musical version of the original. You both get a gold star. Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds still plays live versions in Great Britan, and is an excellent listen if you like electric guitar work. I highly recommend listening to it at night with the lights down. Sure beats the heck out of television.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:51 am |
  29. Sue Hutson

    If only the world had as much interest into expanding scientific knowledge as spreading religious dogma.....

    February 7, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • Phil

      I think I'm in love with you, Sue. Can I keep you forever? 🙂

      February 7, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • Greg

      Scientific theory is wrong most of the time, But Science is the atheists Bible, Scientists there Laymen, there deacon, there Minister! The fact that most science is just one mans best guess doesn't matter, Its Science, and it was told by a Scientist,

      When a scientist is wrong we never hear about it, we never know there name, They just say we need more research to understand this fully, A scientist can say anything really, His peers may prove him wrong and drum him out of the Church of Scientists but you never hear about it, the bad Idea or theory just fades away. Just like Global warming which now because the world is cooling has thrown the scientist into a congratulated tissey, It will just fade away as well,

      February 7, 2012 at 9:18 am |
      • Bucky

        Couldn't be more wrong here. Scientist are wrong but when they are they are constantly trying to reprove or disprove their theories. There is no bible for the atheist, only a thirst for knowledge. Religious people need to say we have a bible or dogma because that is how they understand it but there is no such thing to us. Religion was written wrong but instead of admitting that there is new evidence you damn it or try to pass laws to prevent further study on the subject. The religious wold rather be wrong than have their beliefs disturbed.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:28 am |
      • Bucky

        Also the world isn't cooling. Just because it is winter time doesn't mean it is cooling right now. The average temps are still rising.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:29 am |
      • Cedar Rapids

        Greg, I thought bearing false witness was a sin?
        Not one thing you said was accurate, heck no even the world is cooling bit.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:33 am |
      • MyTake

        The post is a good example of the theist who think he knows something but really knows very little.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:50 am |
      • fimeilleur

        @ Greg,

        You poor little man, I'm going to blow your whole argument out of the water with an example that is extremely recent: Dr Andrew Wakefield. His published work on the link between vaccinations and autism has been HIGHLY publicized and publicly debunked... you'd even call it a severe thrashing... the man has been drummed out of the scientific community for his fraudulent research.

        Now, please explain to us the virtues of men like Jim Bakker, Kent Hovind, Ted Haggart, Oral Roberts, Pat Roberts, and others...

        February 7, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • cynthia hicks

      But "Dogma" was a GREAT movie! 😮

      February 7, 2012 at 9:46 am |
  30. Phil

    Water is the most common compound in the universe.

    February 7, 2012 at 8:34 am |
  31. Badly-Bent

    Even though Mars has no moon, I suppose its close enough to the sun that the sun's gravity may have been able to make a tide? Otherwise it would have been a stagnant body of water.

    February 7, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • Michael

      Ummm......last I checked, Mars has two small moons......Phobos and Deimos.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:39 am |
      • midogs2

        Nothing has changed since the last time you checked, Michael........Phobos and Deimos.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • Zyxlor

      FYI – Mars has two moons.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • kevin

      Mars has 2 moons. Phobos and Deimos. They would be able to affect tides, just not like our Moon does on Earth.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Me

      Actually Mars has two moons.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • DrD

      It doesnt matter whether it has zero or two moon - differential temperatures would set up currents. the water wouldnt be 'stagnant' ... also, stagnant indicates it has life (bacteria) in it, so maybe - at least scientifically - that would be a cool discovery 🙂

      February 7, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • Alex

      Besides having 2 moons, wind can move water quite well without tidal effects.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:53 am |
  32. Snc735

    There is nothing new here. Same old stuff being reported on Mars.

    February 7, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • DrD

      there is new evidence

      February 7, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • ﺶCHEﺶ

      Yeb, we hear ya!
      You just don't want to be bothered.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:35 am |
  33. Pete

    Scientists now confirm that something might have been!

    February 7, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • DrD

      they confirm that they have found evidence, moron - turns out that can be important

      February 7, 2012 at 8:53 am |
  34. whb

    did any of these scientist see this first hand? sounds a lot like the best of science and give us some more money to study this , crap crap crap

    February 7, 2012 at 8:21 am |
    • Joe T.

      It's called exploration. Finding out more about our universe. This doesn't intrigue you at all? Why did you read the article? Where's your sense of wonder and adventure?

      It's a good thing that scientists in the past didn't stop when people like you told them it was pointless. It's called advancing civilization.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • gremlinus

      We can tell the composition of stars millions of light years away too. Take a physics class some day. People who say this is crap have no vision and no understanding of what goes into it or what comes out of it.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • lefty avenger

      Ignorant Republican

      February 7, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • DrD

      they deserve more money 🙂

      February 7, 2012 at 8:54 am |
      • bob

        : D

        March 19, 2013 at 7:38 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      really? unless a scientist actually sees it physically it must be wrong?

      February 7, 2012 at 9:37 am |
  35. Mary Jane

    Destroy capitalism.

    February 7, 2012 at 7:59 am |
    • Peikoviany

      They die laughing when they see you.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • lefty avenger

      on mars?

      February 7, 2012 at 8:37 am |
  36. boyamidumb

    How long will it be before someone, somewhere is saying "there is evidence that the Earth once had oceans. and life"

    February 7, 2012 at 7:51 am |
    • JustTrustMe


      February 7, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • TWH

      I suspect in several hundred million years. at that point the sun will be approaching red giant phase, so it may be hard to study the remnants of the planet.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:13 am |
      • Matt

        Several hundred million? Your stellar timelines are a bit off.

        February 7, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • suckityup

      well about 1.1 billion years from now the sun will be 10% brighter and about 40% in lets say 3.3billion years. The oceans should completely evaporate between this time frame.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Scott

      TWH: That actually falls into the billions of years range, but yes.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • lefty avenger

      Not too long, republicans will destroy earth with their corporate blood lust for oil and fracking.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • Jim

      There is no intelligent life on earth

      February 7, 2012 at 9:01 am |
  37. Andy

    Still yawn...

    February 7, 2012 at 7:43 am |
  38. AL

    That's no moon.....

    February 7, 2012 at 7:43 am |
    • CLEpost

      I've got a bad feeling about this...

      February 7, 2012 at 9:36 am |
  39. james

    You know, there's evidence that life existed almost as soon as the Earth started cooling. If that's the case then certainly Mars could've had life at any point when water graced its surface.

    February 7, 2012 at 7:41 am |
    • gremlinus

      The atmospheric pressure probably wouldn't have allowed for it. The water spent too much time in solid form to sustain life development. At least life as we define it.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:40 am |
      • LeRoy_Was_Here

        There is also reason to believe that Mars had a thicker atmosphere in the past, with higher atmospheric pressure. Indeed, the oceans would not have been able to exist at all, were that not true.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:20 am |
  40. AtheisHuman

    If there is any life out there it is better left undiscovered. Because if they are complete morons like life on this planet, then I don't really want to know about it. : |

    February 7, 2012 at 7:33 am |
    • Samuel

      So true!

      February 7, 2012 at 7:42 am |
    • lefty avenger

      now now, perhaps there is intelligent life in the universe, it's just not to be found here.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:39 am |
  41. Carl

    I wonder why there's all the speculation about oceans full of water all the time. It's obvious that the temperatures and atmosphere aren't suitable for that and haven't been for the last 3 billion years or more – maybe ever. Also, the lack of asteroid craters on one half of the surface clearly points to an origin of the smoothness there which is less than a billion years ago. The explanation for the apparent "ocean bed's" is clearly something else – and that can only be an extreme impact in the last 1000 million years or so, blowing a large part of the surface of Mars into space. Not as unlikely as it sounds, with the asteroid belt neighbouring Mars and the denser asteroids mostly on the inside of it. What's been flowing there was lava and dust, not so much water.

    February 7, 2012 at 7:23 am |
    • Samuel

      Right, and you should be believed over anyone else because?

      February 7, 2012 at 7:39 am |
      • Carl

        You don't need too believe me – or any other single person for that matter. Just make up your own opinion from the facts. How would you explain away that the atmosphere of Mars is too thin and too cold for liquid water, and, judging by the relatively little change in earth's temperature over the last 3.9 billion years, probably was so during that whole time? How do you explain the difference in number of craters on the two sides, especially when water is unlikely to have caused it?

        February 7, 2012 at 8:49 am |
      • addison

        Carl, earth loses part of it's atmosphere all the time. The reason Earth is not dead is that Earth has a molten core, Mars does not, therefore no magnetic field to protect it, and with volcanism, no replenishing the atmosphere with new gasses as constantly still happens on earth.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:13 am |
      • Carl

        Addison, besides the answer I gave Aaron, the question is, how much is blown away every year. Afaik, Earth only looses a few tons in that time period. Even if it was a few thousand tons, that's nothing on a planetary scale. Earth has a magnetic field as protection, Mars is further away, which should have a similar effect, as radiation decreases with distance (though the individual particles of the solar wind will not loose speed in the vacuum and the lower gravity of Mars (with it's present atmosphere) also adds to more losses). Earth's moon probably did loose nearly all it's hydrogen through solar wind and lack of protection. But Mars is bigger, further away, and was obviously hot on the inside not too long ago, judging by Olympus Mons, though probably not through a naturally hot core.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • gremlinus

      I don't think the scientists make a big deal out of it. A lot of this falls into what we conjectured and predicted. I think it's the media that makes a big deal out of it. Mainly because they don't know how science works and they are used to rushing to a conclusion.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • Aaron

      Carl – It's significant for many reasons. But let's pare it down to a few simple facts. Mars has no magnetoshpere, so solar winds basically stripped it of any water. In the presence of both magnetic protection, and water, human life would be easily sustainable. We already know that there are extreme environments on earth where life flourishes, though we never would have suspected it. So the possibility that life could exist in Mars' present state makes it an excellent possibility that it supported much more complex life before.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:46 am |
      • Carl

        If the atmosphere of Mars was never too much more dense than today, than, yes, a lot of water (especially hydrogen) might have been blown away by the solar wind. How much, I can't tell, that's for people who have more tools available to calculate. However, if the atmosphere always was as it is, there simply was no liquid water. At best, some more ice, and some muddy "lava" around fresh volcanos. Only if there also was a *lot* of hydrogen in the atmosphere would there potentially be enough heat trapped to have oceans (think of a Neptune-size atmosphere). But I doubt so much could have been blown away in the last 3 billion years – admittedly without hard numbers available, for both how much hydrogen would be needed and how much could have been carried away.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • Marie

      If the smooth surface were due to lava flow, MARSIS would have been able to determine that. The chemical make up of the surface would have been different, and it wouldn't have been sedimentary material that was found there. Also, there is strong evidence that Mars' atmosphere could have been very different and thicker in the past. Evidence of a magnetic field were found years ago, a magnetic field that would have protected the atmosphere from solar wind (which, though less intense than at 1 AU away, would still be strong enough to blow away a significant portion of the atmosphere).

      February 7, 2012 at 9:57 am |
      • Carl

        Your comment, Marie, seems to be slightly more enlightened and I can't say exactly what composition would be there in either case. However, one of the things I have never seen on any of the pictures is salt deposits, as would be expected with water slushing around and concentrating the salt where the water evaporates. Also, if there ever was an ocean, there would also have been rain. And the rain would have eroded away most of the craters of the rugged side of Mars, as it does on Earth. As there obviously wasn't any rain on Mars in the last 4 billion years (because that's how old a few of the craters must be), there probably also wasn't any ocean. I'm also not doubting that heating up parts of the mantel of Mars – for instance in an impact – would actually release some water or at least mud. The same that happened on Earth at comparably high temperatures – see the Dekkan Traps – might have happened on Mars with materials which liquify at lower temperatures – mud. But a mud slide or eruption, even if it happens on a large scale, doesn't make an ocean.

        February 7, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • LeRoy_Was_Here

      In addition to what Addison said, Mars also has much lower gravity, which makes it much easier for Mars to gradually lose its atmosphere. And that is exactly what we have good reason to think happened, over the first few billion years of Mars' history.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:29 am |
  42. Future Review

    1) Is the N.E.A.R. project that monitors interstellar space for asteroids still active?
    2) Does it cover the Earth by 360 degrees?
    3) What is the smallest asteroid that it can detect?
    4) What is NASA's policy if an asteroid is found to be on a collision course with Earth?
    5) How can the public view all of N.E.A.R.'s data?
    6) If N.E.A.R. can detect smaller asteroids, then UFOs can be detected, why is this information classified?

    These questions and more will be posted to NASA's website, people should know!

    February 7, 2012 at 7:19 am |
    • JihadJoe

      None of this will be disclosed, there are things people shouldnt know... Cant know.... Please refrain from any further inquiry.. for the sake of you and your famly...

      February 7, 2012 at 7:25 am |
    • Joe T.

      Maybe they don't talk about U.F.O.'s because they never found any?

      February 7, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • gremlinus

      6) is a false conclusion.
      The rest are just not worth it to even try to answer.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • addison

      Yes NEAR is still Active.
      Yes it could detect UFO's, except any moron knows that the Klingon's around Uranus use cloaking devices and it is not capable of detecting them.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:10 am |
  43. angryersmell

    Life finds a way.

    February 7, 2012 at 7:09 am |
    • Bub

      Nice Jurassic Park pull

      February 7, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • ﺶCHEﺶ

      Really? Never heard of that one!
      I thought the saying is: LOVE always finds a way?
      You really did pull this one off from the rabbit hat for real!
      Let me ask you this though: How can you be angry and STILL have a LIFE? Come on spill it?

      February 7, 2012 at 10:21 am |
  44. Goose66

    Didn't we decide that after Spirit/Opportunity? Are the Europeans just catching up?

    February 7, 2012 at 7:08 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      unless spirit/opportunity are able to penetrate 60 to 80 meters below the surface I would say the Europeans are ahead.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:42 am |
  45. rational

    Valles Marenaris is a water-gouged canyon. Yes, Mars once had water. We have known this for decades.

    Why is this news?

    February 7, 2012 at 6:56 am |
    • JihadJoe

      We have had theorys of water on mars for years, and like today it is still theories that have and may never be proven.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:27 am |
      • Primewonk

        Theories are never proven. That's not how science rolls. A theory can be proposed, confirmed, modified, or falsified.

        February 7, 2012 at 8:30 am |
  46. Jim

    How does an article about Mars immediately prompt so many nonsense arguments about God, politics, etc? Do people really just sit around waiting for things to argue about? What are you trolls even reading science articles?

    February 7, 2012 at 6:21 am |
    • Brian

      To answer your question, yes, some people do sit around waiting for things to argue about. Welcome to the CNN comments section. 😉

      February 7, 2012 at 6:44 am |
    • PABLO

      Good point Jim. This is a simple scientific article speculating about what new evidence may mean. For it to generate the type of discourse below is a sad commentary on this collection of readers.

      February 7, 2012 at 6:52 am |
  47. Joe

    There's an awful lot of "may have", "could have", and "probably" in this article. THey don't know any more about oceans on Mars than they did 50 years ago. These kinds of press releases are just smoke and mirror gimmicks to drum up publicity. They are intentionally ambiguous so they can't be proven right or wrong. When will you people wake up!!

    February 7, 2012 at 5:12 am |
    • sean

      You're kidding around, right?

      February 7, 2012 at 5:57 am |
    • CarlSagan

      To say we know no more about this than 50 years ago is just plain ignorant. I agree there is speculation, but we know a heck of a lot more about Mars than even 10 years ago, especially as it regards a history of past water. One probe has found ice directly below the surface.

      February 7, 2012 at 6:00 am |
    • Say What?

      joe your wrong on so many levels it's insane to start.

      February 7, 2012 at 6:13 am |
    • PABLO

      what an illiterate idiot.

      February 7, 2012 at 6:46 am |
    • Brendan

      Hey Joe, please consult with an educated friend (if you have one) before embarrassing yourself with such expressions of ignorance.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:15 am |
    • jimtanker

      I have to side with Joe on this one. We do know very little about Mars as a whole and the landers and probes that we have sent have done very little besides mapping the planet's surface. Most of this article is conjecture meant to bring in readers.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:08 am |
      • Joe T.

        So because scientists don't claim to know 100%, we shouldn't listen to anything they say? Makes sense to me! If I were an idiot.

        This is the scientific method at work. Maybe you and Joe should have paid attention in science class.

        February 7, 2012 at 8:33 am |
    • Drew

      We've seen articles like this every year claiming "new" evidence on the possibility of MARS having water. I remember the TIME article last year. That article seems a lot like this one, except even more convincing. I think it's an interesting issue but I don't think Joe's point is that far off. How much more do we really know now? Instead of calling him an idiot try telling him what you know that he (or I) don't. Yes, we've discovered some new craters that look like they could have sustained flowing water... we've been doing that for years.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:07 am |
      • Brian

        I think the issue is that this is new supporting evidence. Perhaps it's time to just come out and say that Mars had water at one time, but scientists are a conservative lot. 🙂

        February 7, 2012 at 11:02 am |
  48. David

    This is not much of a surprise, I mean all you have to do is look at the planet, and it does look like at one time it might have supported life. I think science is catching up to me finally.

    February 7, 2012 at 4:50 am |
    • Casey

      ROFL your just as dumb as CNN

      February 7, 2012 at 6:01 am |
      • KingAZD

        you're *cough*

        February 7, 2012 at 6:08 am |
  49. Joe

    By golly, this proves the old testament story is true then. Noah was a Martian and when the planet flooded, he built an ark and fled to Earth.

    February 7, 2012 at 4:48 am |
    • usa401

      Except there is recorded history before Jesus and Noah. And I dont think what was described as a boat would have been able to fly in space. Not to mention most animals would have died on the long trip.

      The bible is ment to teach about faith not replace logic and reason.

      February 7, 2012 at 6:29 am |
      • Sean

        Your logic and reason seem to have been replaced. The definition of faith is belief without REASON. Your bible isn’t meant for anything more than herding sheep.

        February 7, 2012 at 8:17 am |
  50. Bill

    I love how "science" can claim to know how the universe was formed, but can not figure out where an ocean used to be.

    February 7, 2012 at 4:23 am |
    • 343 Guilty Spark

      You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all our lost time. Human history, is it? Fascinating. Oh, how I will enjoy every moment of it's categorization. To think that you would destroy this installation, as well as this record... I am shocked. Almost too shocked for words.

      February 7, 2012 at 4:27 am |
    • rudy

      i love how "science" looks to attempt to explain the origins as an alternative to some who say we were populated by aliens or created in 6 days, or the earth is the center of the universe and all that is on this planet is ours for the taking to exploit how we want. i love paradise. im going to be beat my wife now because i am her master and she is made to please me.

      February 7, 2012 at 4:32 am |
      • 343 Guilty Spark

        More Questions? Splendid. I will be happy to assist you!

        February 7, 2012 at 4:34 am |
    • Mark

      I don't think science claims to "know" how the universe started. They have theories that appear to fit the evidence going back to fractions of a second before the start and offer these as the best explanations that the best minds in science have come up with. I doubt any scientist would claim to "know" for sure that the universe unfolded in a particular way.

      February 7, 2012 at 5:43 am |
      • Casey

        They know nothing stop trusting in ignorant men.

        February 7, 2012 at 6:02 am |
      • Sean

        Like the goat herders who wrote the bible? I agree I’ll trust the educated scientist.

        February 7, 2012 at 8:21 am |
      • Cedar Rapids

        The ignorant person here is you casey

        February 7, 2012 at 10:02 am |
      • Mark

        @Cacey You sit there quite happily using the technology science has provided you to write your comment while calling scientists ignorant. Talk about taking a crap in the pool you drink from.

        February 7, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Guest

      I love how people claim to know the history of origin because of one outdated and misinterpreted book(collection of writings?)
      "Because the bible tells me so" Is not sound deductive reasoning

      February 7, 2012 at 6:15 am |
    • Mario

      Bill, science CAN figure out whether or not an ocean was there. They just haven't gathered enough evidence yet because IT'S ANOTHER PLANET!!!

      February 7, 2012 at 6:20 am |
    • NowtrytoTHINK

      "Science" as you use the term does not exist. It is not a body of thought. There is no Great Tome of Science. It is also not a big guy on a throne. "Science" does not prove anything. Science is not a religion but a system of study. Individual scientists come up with theories based on available data and support/refute theories through further analysis, experimentation and study. They publish their findings only after OTHER scientists have had a chance to pick them apart in a process called "peer review."

      So mistake #1: "Science" cannot claim to know how the universe was formed. Scientists have a wide variety of theories on the matter, some more popular than others.
      mistake #2: "Science" is not TRYING to "figure out" where an ocean used to be. SCIENTISTS are analyzing data as they come in. Data are limited due to the distance of the subject and means of collection. In all likelihood there will be several theories on the matter before all is said and done.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:12 am |
    • Crunchy Granola

      With science we seek truth with self-professed ignorance, and as the data presents itself we continually test the result for validity. With religion we claim the truth with self-professed confidence and as the data presents itself we refuse to acknowledge the results, unless it agrees with our premiss.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:50 am |
      • NowtrytoTHINK

        Be careful there Crunchy. There are more than enough scientists in the world who are completely dogmatic and fit neatly into that second category and there are more than enough people of faith who do not "reject the data." In fact, many scientists are also religious/spiritual people. Overgeneralizing is not good for children and other living things.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:06 am |
  51. Still Wondering...

    I wonder why some people who bleive in God, whoever their god is, insist on denying God's right to create other creatures! They beleive in angels, don't they? They beleive in deveils and spirits, right? So, what is the big deal if there are other creatures elsewhere in the universe? Whether they are similar to us or not is really irreleavent. So, keep your eyes wide open and your mind flexible and see how you can still beleive in God and all creatures he created here and elsewhere...this is a muslim point of view anyway....

    February 7, 2012 at 3:57 am |
    • dsavio

      It's because the people to whom you are referring have religions that claim human beings are the chosen of god, that they are unique in the universe, Indeed that the universe itself was created For them.

      They MUST deny the existence of extraterrestrials, because the existence of such creatures would by its very nature prove, or at least strongly suggest, that their entire religion is fiction. Deeply resonant, and often meaningful and effecting, but fiction.

      February 7, 2012 at 4:27 am |
      • Steve_vgm

        The existence of "extraterrestrials" doesn't disprove Christianity. Rather, it would tear away at what the organized ones have painted mankind up to be. The Bible clearly mentions the Others that walked the Earth in those days, mentions the destruction of the planet that used to be between Mars and Jupiter... People just don't want to put the whole picture together, the destruction of that missing planet wiped out Mars, threw all the remaining planets out of their circular orbits, created the asteroid belt between Mars&Jupiter and the irregular moons around the outer planets.

        February 7, 2012 at 7:30 am |
      • humanbean

        Wow Steve. I guess delusion begets more delusion. No surprises here. Move along!

        February 7, 2012 at 8:27 am |
      • irunner

        Missing planet? Why wasn't I told about this in any of the science classes I've taken?

        February 7, 2012 at 9:08 am |
    • Crunchy Granola

      I feel the the belief in god should never be discounted or criticized: another man or woman's beliefs are their own. I do have concern, however, when one ridicules another's beliefs to bolster their own, be they theist or atheist.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:56 am |
  52. jeff

    oceans on mars is not new news... now prehistoric critters fossils would be erectile exciting...

    February 7, 2012 at 3:56 am |
  53. Justin

    May we never have the chance to continue what we have done to this planet, on other worlds.

    February 7, 2012 at 3:43 am |
    • 343 Guilty Spark

      After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life within three radii of the galactic center, died, as planned. Would you like to see the relevant data?

      February 7, 2012 at 3:49 am |
      • Dejwe

        3 rings? Are you joking? There were at least 5! Your 3 ring sect will be crushed! 😛

        February 7, 2012 at 4:22 am |
      • 343 Guilty Spark

        There are 7 reclaimer, where did you get 3 from?

        February 7, 2012 at 4:24 am |
    • Rich

      Amen Brother.

      February 7, 2012 at 3:50 am |
  54. ﺶCHEﺶ

    Yeb, NASA looking for more Gov't Welfare Check in the mail. What a waste?

    February 7, 2012 at 3:41 am |
    • Buzz Bodhi

      A waste? How so? The money spent by NASA on these kinds of projects ultimately goes to individuals who pay their mortgages and raise their families. There is not a single penny in orbit around Mars at this time. Technologies, such as remote sensing used on Mars space probes, and technologies used on other NASA projects are used throughout the world to everyone's benefit. NASA does all this, and on a budget which amounts to little more than a rounding error in the nation's budget calculations

      February 7, 2012 at 7:07 am |
    • Richard

      Better than wasting it on your kind.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Justin

      Yeah so the first line of the article says this was discoverd by the European Spacy Agency...I'm almost positive that isn't what NASA stands for...

      February 7, 2012 at 9:56 am |
    • Jason

      Go back to Israel...

      February 7, 2012 at 10:10 am |
      • ﺶCHEﺶ

        Dead wrong, buddy! Jewish ain't my THING though.
        You haven't seen me parading on Park Ave., NYC as some rabbi selling some fake so-called jewish Torah Scrolls made of out of rolls of toilet paper and pro-claiming them to be 3,000 yrs. old and selling them for $M's to fake American Christians a.k.a. Southern Christian Evangelicals in US.
        Welcome to CNN forum!

        February 7, 2012 at 10:53 am |
  55. Buck Adams

    Is it possible for magma flowing from Olympusmons to have caused something that liooks deceptively looks like evidence of an ocean?

    February 7, 2012 at 3:38 am |
  56. michael peninsula

    I am a religious person from the deep South (Alabama). I believe in Jesus Christ and Gawd. You won't find life anywhere else in the universe nor signs of life because the Holy Bible states that Gawd created the universe and man in six days, and on the seventh day, He rested.

    Man is the only thing that Gawd created in the Universe – and we didn't come from no stinking apes either.

    From a proud member of the GOP in South Alabama .

    February 7, 2012 at 3:18 am |
    • Kenny

      Who created the Dinosaurs?

      February 7, 2012 at 3:26 am |
      • Dejwe

        Jebus' Great-Uncle ...

        February 7, 2012 at 4:25 am |
      • Casey

        God you idiot

        February 7, 2012 at 6:03 am |
      • Jason

        For some reason, they think dinosaurs were around less than 20,000 years ago. Christians can be so silly sometimes. Of course then you have Mormons that wear magical underwear and believe they will get on a spaceship when they die that takes them to heaven. Then you have Hindues that worship the cow. And Muslims, well we all know about Muslims.

        February 7, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • HawaiianCane

      I think your world is going to come crashing down on you within the next generation when we inevitably make discoveries that will change everything we know. the higgs boson was nearly spotted at the end of last year... but I'd imagine a deeply religious man from the south who can't even spell the name of his beloved deity correctly would know anything about that.

      February 7, 2012 at 3:29 am |
    • SD

      Wanna try spelling God again? And then if that's what you believe, who created the Bible?

      February 7, 2012 at 3:29 am |
      • ﺶCHEﺶ

        Rest your heart!
        FACTS UNDISPUTED: Majority of GOPers are uneducated, retarded, imbecilic and extremely illiterate. Not only that, they are bunch of robots with induced pre-programmed talking points as their daily fixes. They become incoherent and completely lost without their usual talking points from deceitful master puppeteers and generators of their daily dose of talking points. For Heaven’s sake, how much more Education does this imbecilic GOPer needs in so-called America to be able to spell just 4-letter word; G-O-D whom they fume about as a badge of honor in every decision in America? These are the same uneducated, retarded, imbecilic illiterates making Pres. Obama’s job extremely difficult.

        February 7, 2012 at 4:17 am |
    • 343 Guilty Spark

      I find your sarcasm amusing, but sarcasm will not protect you from The Flood.

      February 7, 2012 at 3:32 am |
    • Randy S

      Useless sarcasm from a complete idiot. To get away from Alabama maybe you need to head over to North Korea or Syria where your brand of humor can be handled appropriately.

      February 7, 2012 at 3:39 am |
      • SD

        I wish there was a "like" button that I could repeatedly hit for this comment

        February 7, 2012 at 3:42 am |
    • Kenny

      What about those giant fossils (Dino bones) that we discovered which supposedly had been extinct for more than 65,000,000 years ago? That's 8 digits in the tens of millions compared to our current 4-digit calendar at just a tad over 2,012 years....well, except for the Chinese at over 5,000 - but who created the people from the Forbidden City, not the same God that you speak of?

      February 7, 2012 at 3:44 am |
      • Joe T.

        Satan did it.

        February 7, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • ﺶCHEﺶ

      Hey Buddy, I'm also a Christian by BIRTH. Get this though your head. The Bible was written thousands of years after the FACT; true or otherwise. Who knows the so-called authors could have injected their own conspiracy agenda. All bets are off if any of said authors are jews. With mass deceits; we have rabbis making so-called Torah Scrolls out of rolls of toilet paper and pro-claiming them to be 3,000 yrs. old. No wonder toilet papers have are so expensive these days.
      Have an open mind else those Sunday Fake Christian Republicans can turn you against your own mother or country. Does Al-Qaeda and Taliban ring a bell?

      February 7, 2012 at 3:57 am |
      • Dejwe

        100s of years after the fact, not thousands, but who's counting. Not only Emperor Constantin dicated 1 of the many versions of Christianity as the "right one" - and then even that changed with the First, Second, and Third Councils of Nicea .... religion is the retreat for the mentally ill and unevolved human. It's like a sort of spiritual/mental AIDs ... science, logic, and reason the cure.

        February 7, 2012 at 4:32 am |
      • 343 Guilty Spark

        Why do you meddlers insist on using such inaccurate verbiage?

        February 7, 2012 at 4:38 am |
      • ﺶCHEﺶ

        @343 Guilty Spark, glad you asked?
        It's this mentally challenged and intellectually deficient bigot who thinks the World or its Universe is merely 100's of years old.
        To them the Algebraic Sum [ ∑ ] of (X + X = 2).
        I bet this mentally challenged and intellectually deficient bigot does not even know the difference between A.D and B.C. or when mankind started recordings of events or history.

        February 7, 2012 at 5:00 am |
      • Bill

        You can't be "born" a Christian. Christianity is a choice, not a birthright.

        February 7, 2012 at 10:29 am |
      • ﺶCHEﺶ

        Didn't have that "CHOICE" when I was baptized minutes after BIRTH. Did I?
        That's the difference between a TRUE Christian by BIRTH and phony Americans Fake Sunday Christians. Does Gentiles the Son of the Living God spoke of ring a bell? Enroll in your Sunday School. Will ya?

        February 7, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • Ian

      Please be an example of Poe's Law... please!

      February 11, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
  57. ConfucianScholar

    I wonder if there are visible fossilized skeletons on the dry ocean bed.

    February 7, 2012 at 2:21 am |
    • crazycatman

      Life wouldn't have existed long enough for vertebrates to evolve. We might find some fossilized bacteria; maybe something like trilobites - nothing more advanced than that.

      February 7, 2012 at 2:32 am |
      • SD

        Unless you're a Scientology nut =p

        February 7, 2012 at 3:36 am |
      • Dejwe

        Near the coast line, it's possible ... definitely not in the deep oceans.

        February 7, 2012 at 4:35 am |
  58. Former Marine

    I'm telling y'all, there is evidence of a flood on Mars from a long time ago. What if some of our ancestors gathered together enough of each species on Mars to repopulate another area, you know, like Earth? We could all be Martians!

    February 7, 2012 at 2:03 am |
    • scifieye

      Not a new theory, but a good one. However, one would have to assume that DNA is in all living things, even on other planets, since it is found in all living things on Earth. Now, even if we came from Mars, we would not have been able to "gather up" all of the living things on Mars and brought them here. So, I suggest that we are a mixture of living things originally from here, and also from elsewhere. Perhaps when we do find life on other planets, it will not be unlike life here.

      February 7, 2012 at 2:44 am |
    • SB

      No. Just no. Look, the reality is interesting enough without making up some sci-fi/history channel "ancient aliens" gibberish. There's no need to obscure actual science with voodoo and nonsense. The science of the matter is quite cool on its own.

      February 7, 2012 at 2:48 am |
      • 343 Guilty Spark

        If you're saying the flood is on Mars, then we need to act fast!

        The Flood is all consuming and we need to initiate the containment protocol.

        February 7, 2012 at 3:19 am |
    • ﺶCHEﺶ

      Keep dreaming. Your problems are effects of ridiculous GOP wars.

      February 7, 2012 at 4:20 am |
  59. virgoptrex

    I have seen this news being repeated over and over again since the first mars rover landed in 1997.....nothing new.

    February 7, 2012 at 1:44 am |
    • SB

      No, you haven't. In general, evidence of Mars' watery past has been mounting for quite a long time. That is true. This however is new data.

      February 7, 2012 at 2:21 am |
    • ﺶCHEﺶ

      Yeb, this is a way for NASA to get more Gov't Welfare Checks in the mail to built a Space Colony for imbecilic GOPers and their irks. Don’t lose your guard; it’s a coded deceitful GOP project in disguise. Haven't we all read or heard these before years ago? Nwet. gave you a hint weeks ago. Stay alert!

      February 7, 2012 at 4:28 am |
      • Buzz Bodhi

        Wow – somebody's in a bad mood. Historically NASA's budgets have been a target by republicans. Republicans killed the Apollo project just when it was getting interesting. Newt's unfortunate comments about a Moon colony are nothing are nothing more than pandering politics. And no, simply because a news story about Mars has appeared not long after Newt made his Moon colony comments does NOT mean the two are connected. You might also have noticed that the story is based on European Space Agency work, not NASA's. Chill Dude.

        February 7, 2012 at 7:29 am |
  60. Jason

    Whenever I visit comments about space exploration, it seems like most people dont understand the point of it or why so much money is spent on it. Let me simply put a perspective on it. A bit over 500 years ago people used to think the world was flat and that it was lunacy to explore the oceans. Now, we know it's not flat and have a discovered some pretty interesting places.

    February 7, 2012 at 1:28 am |
    • Bill in Florida

      Even more crazy than the flat-Earth people centuries ago is that most humans still believe in a mythical deity who lives among the clouds and knows everything.

      February 7, 2012 at 2:02 am |
      • Groo

        Is it crazier than the civilizations from over 2000 years ago who knew not only that the Earth was round, but also had a map of the solar system, with the sun and planets in their respective sizes among the remains they left behind? Even crazier than the fact that those very people said they learned about those things from their gods, or that part of their religious ideas made it into the Bible?

        February 7, 2012 at 2:36 am |
      • 343 Guilty Spark

        You have much to learn reclaimer.

        February 7, 2012 at 3:35 am |
      • Cedar Rapids

        "but also had a map of the solar system, with the sun and planets in their respective sizes among the remains they left behind? Even crazier than the fact that those very people said they learned about those things from their gods, or that part of their religious ideas made it into the Bible?"

        ok i'll bite, show me where this stuff can be found, i could do with a good laugh.

        February 7, 2012 at 9:55 am |
      • Blahman

        @GROO Look, I'm not saying it's aliens........but it's aliens.

        February 7, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Utmu

      Actually, most people around the time of say, Christopher Columbus, didn't believe the Earth was flat, the percentage of people who thought the Earth was flat is comparable to how many people today believe that aliens built the pyramids.

      February 7, 2012 at 2:10 am |
    • Jeffo

      Actually they have known the Earth is round for almost 2000 years. The myth of a flat earth comes from a Washington Irving fictional book "A History of the Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus".

      February 7, 2012 at 2:12 am |
    • Utmu

      I don't mean to be rude or anything... sorry if I came off that way. I agree with what you're saying though, I think it would be great to explore space, look at what happened as a result of the Age of Exploration (despite the fact that most people thought the Earth was round, they still didn't know how far it would be until they reached "Asia", so it was still a brave feat).

      February 7, 2012 at 2:21 am |
    • ﺶCHEﺶ

      You must be working for NASA and a NASA delegated propaganda spokesman. Take a hike! Will ya?
      You’ve the nerve to call those who have tangential opinions doubting Thomases.

      February 7, 2012 at 4:33 am |
      • irunner

        Did NASA fire you or otherwise ruin your day at some point? Where does all this anti-NASA stuff come from?

        February 7, 2012 at 9:51 am |
  61. Vasmikey

    Tilt the planet 23.5 degrees for seasonal variance, add a moon to stabilize the poles, move the sphere to an average distance of 93 million miles from the sun, give it an elliptical orbit with a speed of about 67,000 mph, spin it at 1000 mph, then add a magnetic field by giving it a solid ferrite iron core with spinning hot magma to protect it from solar radiation, and an ozone atmosphere to block out UVs and you might have something worth discovering.

    February 7, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • Ptwinds

      Right on, well done.

      February 7, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • Jason

      Well, there are about 10^24 planets, so odds are there are quite a few that nearly fit those requirements exactly.

      February 7, 2012 at 1:19 am |
      • Vasmikey

        Jason, famed scientist Fredrick Hoyle did the calculations for us and figured that if you took all the atoms existing in the universe as a number, it couldn't begin to approach the odds of all of these factors coming together with such precision. Try just figuring out the odds of a planetary body spinning around a star at the average distance of 93 million miles. A one percent variance makes life uninhabitable. The earth is unique.

        February 7, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Michael

      My first reply, having been reserved for a post of distinction. Well played.

      February 7, 2012 at 1:19 am |
    • Jerry

      Mars has an axial tilt of 25.19°, already. Creating a breathable atmosphere (with ozone layer) would take a century or two and would warm things up more than enough. The hardest thing would be creating a planetary magnetic field and there are already several interesting and, perhaps, technologically feasible now or in the near future, proposals to take care of that.

      You and your descendants can stay here, if you like, but I'd make the trip, (even if it were a one-way trip,) in a heartbeat. I'm 47, now, so I could put a couple decades or so into colony-building. Sign me up, NASA!

      February 7, 2012 at 2:11 am |
      • rudy

        i just dont get this desire to "populate" mars. whats the point? it would take an annoyingly long time and lot of work to get even a hint of what living is like for us on earth. this planet we are on, and some would say was given to us, is an incredible place. more amazing in my eyes to any nebula, black hole, star nursery out there. thing is us humans suck. im cynical i know but i expect with our nature that we will let it all slip away as we have been for thousands of years. back then the population was a fraction of todays so not much negative from that. then the industrial revolution, medicine, technology- god we are screwed.

        February 7, 2012 at 4:18 am |
      • Vasmikey

        Jerry, it may be tilted that way today, however, Mars's obliquity is believed to fluctuate between standing almost straight up and leaning over as much as 60 degrees. This is because it has no moon to keep the poles stable. As it is, the climate is impacted to the point of causing severe weather over most of the planet's surface.

        February 7, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • rudy

      true that.
      size of our star, mass of our planet, the magnetic field etc. perfect and rare situation. a perfect and the only place life as we know it would exist. thing is, this is life as we know it and all life here has adjusted to the situation. logic would say with the likely billions of other planets in the universe there would be something simular to ours or good enough for life to take hold..

      February 7, 2012 at 4:01 am |
    • rudy

      i just dont get this desire to "populate" mars. whats the point? it would take an annoyingly long time and lot of work to get even a hint of what living is like for us on earth. this planet we are on, and some would say was given to us, is an incredible place. more amazing in my eyes to any nebula, black hole, star nursery out there. thing is us humans suck. im cynical i know but i expect with our nature that we will let it all slip away as we have been for thousands of years. back then the population was a fraction of todays so not much negative from that. then the industrial revolution, medicine, technology- god we are screwed.

      February 7, 2012 at 4:15 am |
  62. mmi16

    Where is Marvin the Martians home?

    February 7, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • Scallywag151

      I looked into that for you and found that his home is located at:
      40.75° NL / 9.46° WL
      The city or area is called “Cydonia” or something like that?

      February 7, 2012 at 1:43 am |
  63. ocean

    I wonder whether Mars' ocean was salty and had waves.

    February 7, 2012 at 12:53 am |


    February 7, 2012 at 12:48 am |
    • Bill in Florida

      You mean like dead children become angels to live peacefully with God for all eternity? Lies like that?

      February 7, 2012 at 2:04 am |
      • ﺶCHEﺶ

        Yeb, we heard that before, haven't we?
        Every dead white american child is suddenly transformed to an Angel.

        FACTS UNDISPUTED: The child could have shot him/her self in the head yet; is suddenly transformed to some Arch Angel watching over us all.

        February 7, 2012 at 4:40 am |
      • LookAtYourself

        If you're so intelligent Bill, prove to me that God don't exist so the rest of us can follow you and believe you're an inspiration to everyone.

        February 7, 2012 at 5:58 am |
    • Bryan

      This is a theory, not a lie. You seem like an awfully paranoid individual.

      February 7, 2012 at 2:11 am |
    • JJ in Chula Vista, CA

      @SATELLITES, because there's empirical evidence supporting the theory that Mars had oceans billions of years ago, and there's absolutely no evidence what so ever supporting religious beliefs.

      February 7, 2012 at 2:12 am |
  65. nucci

    Of course mars had life and of course an ocean. Did you know aliens used to live there also. They used mars as a resource base back in the day when they were constructing an atmospheric shield for their own planet. Life is not rare and we are not either. Get over yourselves.

    February 7, 2012 at 12:45 am |
    • JSkellington

      Get over yourself "Jacques Cousteau" LOL

      February 7, 2012 at 12:48 am |
  66. JSkellington

    "Mars may have had oceans" Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is pretty obvious.

    February 7, 2012 at 12:37 am |
  67. SkyKing

    Send Newt there.

    February 7, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • ﺶCHEﺶ

      Nope! Sit tight.
      Nwet's. Space Colony has to be built first. He's working it on through NASA hence this article.
      It’s a coded deceitful GOP project in disguise. Fat ASS Nwet. doesn't want to be rushed. Sit tight, buddy!

      February 7, 2012 at 5:14 am |
  68. Maltese Falcon

    The question is not whether there was ever "life" on Mars but whether there was Cytomegalovirus in the ocean, and what happened to it once the water boiled off or froze.

    February 7, 2012 at 12:28 am |
  69. jesse

    i'm so tired of you "wanna be" funny satirical republicans out there. You're not funny nor are you smart so go watch fox or something because you're taking up way to much bandwidth with your stupidity.

    February 7, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • ﺶCHEﺶ

      Glad you have the courage to tell these imbecilic knuckle heads like it is!
      They are bunch of induced pre-programmed talking points robots. They’re useless, become incoherent and completely lost without their usual talking points from deceitful master puppeteers and generators of their daily dose of talking points.

      February 7, 2012 at 5:19 am |
      • conservative

        I think you said that already... maybe 4 or 5 times, try something new because your starting to sound like you are "completely lost without your usual talking points"

        February 7, 2012 at 6:02 am |
  70. Terry

    That's it – Global Warming. Mars experienced – Global Warming.

    February 6, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
    • Maltese Falcon

      Is there anything on Mars now? No. Rocks and dust.
      Looks like people had been there – a while ago.

      February 7, 2012 at 12:23 am |
  71. william moore

    Sometime during the formation of our solar system Mars probably had a lenghtly period of temperate climate and most likely had liquid water on its surface. No way of telling what the atmospheric conditions were at that time.
    Some algae or simple water life could have developed, but I doubt if any little green martians evolved.

    February 6, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • Maltese Falcon

      I don't believe there was a formation of the Solar System in the traditional sense you seem to be referring to.

      February 7, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • Scott

      It could have been little green Martian algae.

      February 7, 2012 at 1:25 am |
  72. JOHN

    Life is all over the Universe....err..Multiverse. Key leaders in our government know this and are forbidden from telling the public. Someday, one of these people will grow a pair and tell the truth. It makes zero sense that life is only on this Earth, when there are trillions of billions of planets in out galaxy alone. And there are trillions of billions galaxies.
    I hope that I live long enough to see this event.

    February 6, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • qwewqe

      you wont

      February 6, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Patriarchae

      I don't think anybody denies that other life is extraordinarily likely. However, whatever life that is is so far from us that you will be long dead by the time they are discovered. Don't get your hopes up, you were born too early.

      February 6, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • Observer

      It's good that a blogger figured this out. Just supply ANY PROOF and you can be a hero.

      February 7, 2012 at 12:46 am |
    • Former Marine

      Riiiiiiiiiiiiight...A group of people that can't keep ANYTHING a secret (Kennedy or any other President's affairs anyone? Watergate?) has managed to keep life on another planet a secret. Good work uncovering it in a CNN comment there John. We all totally believe you.

      February 7, 2012 at 2:07 am |
    • rudy

      trillions of billions of planets in our galaxy? dont think so. maybe thousands of billions.
      you are funny. like these leaders you refer to know of ufos and aliens etc. like GW bush "knows" about how the us government "orchestrated" 911. give me a fact and i will believe it. in the meantime i dont believe the government knows sh_t as well as any preacher of any religion for that matter

      February 7, 2012 at 4:27 am |
  73. YounanMarketingAndManagementAssociatesInc,Int'l Intst'r

    About Queen Elizabeth's 60 anniversary of her throne rule, diamond anniversary (? sixty isn't the diamond anniversary though – 75 years is diamond jubillee anniversary in fact!!!!!) 60 may be platinum. they falsified
    now the reason mrs. elizabeth is on the throne after her father edward's death is because the uncle, or elizabeth the princesses father's edward's brother, married a man named wallis simpson. that cut him out of becoming the king after his brother's death. but wallis simpson was related to our neighbors, on the second house north on 595 bruce at wyandotte or the family house across from us on the corner area that got redeveloped into an apartment building.
    they were a simpson's couple older ones man and woman and friends of my mother and the family, but the ones next door who had a wally named son weren't very friendly. it is a strange series of occurrences stories in our direct link of troublesome abuse to the royale family of england. the cunnings family had various car accidents and all died, including the wally son and ....
    elizabeth the II name is another name, that isn't her name there were no two elizabeths in that time period of royal family inheritors.
    and also you stole my waterway (boat/ship) parade.of 1000 or more vessels. part of my weaver's expo world's fair.

    February 6, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • Wobbles

      Go take your med and please put your tinfoil hat back on.

      February 6, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • mervyn

      are ewe high?

      February 6, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
  74. Kevin E

    Oh Praise the Lord Jesus Christ! God is so creative and amazing 🙂

    February 6, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • qwewqe

      jesus was an idiot

      February 6, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
      • LookAtYourself

        And you're not?

        February 7, 2012 at 5:53 am |
      • Joe

        Ya know, I'm not religious, and don't mind people who say there's no god (because I agree), but saying nasty stuff about a guy named Jesus who, according to all accounts, seemed like a great person who really cared about people– that irks me quite a bit.

        February 7, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • Duke

      Jesus was an insecure being ... demanding worship ?

      February 7, 2012 at 1:07 am |
      • Human Being

        Jesus never demanded worship. He was neither God, nor the "son" of God, but only a Messenger of God. Everything else is made up Christian fantasy – utterly non-sensical and meaningless.

        February 7, 2012 at 1:38 am |
      • Kevin E

        Created beings also worship Him after His resurrection.

        Matthew 28:9,17 – After His resurrection, His disciples worshipped Him. [Cf. John 20:28,29]

        Luke 24:52 – Even after He had ascended back to heaven, they worshipped Him.

        Hebrews 1:6 – Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.

        Note that men were rebuked for worshipping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshipping Jesus. Angels are even instructed by the Father to worship Jesus. The context of the above passages cannot fit the idea of obeisance to an earthly king or ruler. They refer to honoring Jesus as a religious authority – the very thing forbidden when offered to Peter, angels, etc.

        Hence, Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Scriptures, including Jesus' own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity.

        February 7, 2012 at 6:17 am |
      • Kevin E

        Jesus was often worshiped while He appeared on earth before His resurrection.

        Matthew 8:2 – A leper came and worshiped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]

        Matthew 14:33 – After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshiped Him saying He was the Son of God.

        John 9:38 – After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshiped Jesus.

        Note that such religious worship would have been blasphemy and should have been forbidden as it was in the case of Peter, the angel, etc., if Jesus had been just a man on earth.

        February 7, 2012 at 6:18 am |
      • Kevin E

        Jesus receives the unique glory of God.

        John 5:23 – All men should honor the Son "just as" they honor the Father. To fail to give this honor to the Son is to fail to properly honor the Father.

        "Just as" (kathos) is translated "even as" in KJV, ASV, NASB, RSV (cf. Thayer and Arndt & Gingrich). Other examples of its use in comparisons is found in Luke 6:31; 11:30; 17:26; John 3:14; 2 Corinthians 10:7; Colossians 3:13; etc.

        The significance of the word, when used in comparisons, is that one item or action is just like the other regarding the aspect in which they are being compared. Hence Jesus rightly receives honor just like the honor the Father receives. And if we refuse to give such honor to the Son, then we are refusing to honor the Father!

        John 17:5 – Jesus prayed to the Father to "glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was" (NKJV, cf. NASB, NEB; others are similar – ASV, KJV). Jesus asks to be glorified together with the Father with the glory He possessed "with" (para) the Father from eternity.

        The clear implication is that Jesus and the Father both possessed the same glory before the world began. Jesus, in coming to earth as a servant, did not then appear to possess that glory but appeared as a man (this is part of what he gave up on coming to earth – Philippians 2:6-8). But having nearly completed His work on earth (John 17:4) and being ready to ascend to the Father, Jesus anticipated receiving this glory again (Philippians 2:9-11).

        However, we have already learned that no one but God can receive the glory God has (Isaiah 42:8; 48:11). Jesus did receive that glory with the approval of the Father. Therefore, Jesus possesses Deity.

        Revelation 5:12-14 – Both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus) were praised by the created things, who attributed to them "blessing and honor and glory and power." Note that the same glory and honor belongs to both Father and Son.

        Hebrews 1:3 – Jesus is the brightness of the Father's glory (or the effulgence or radiance of His glory). That glory which shines from the Father also shines from Jesus because He is the creator (v2), upholds all things (v3), and is the express image of God (v3).

        1 Corinthians 2:8; James 2:1 – Jesus is called the "Lord of glory," just as God in the Old Testament is called the "King of glory" (Psalm 24:7-10).

        Note that the glory Jesus possesses is not just the glory possessed by men or angels. His glory is above that of angels (Hebrews 1:6,13). He is above all principality, power, might, dominion, and every name that is named (Ephesians 1:21; Philippians 2:9-11). No created being possesses the glory and honor Jesus does.

        We have seen, however, that Jesus deserves the glory, honor, and worship of Deity even as the Father does. God forbids this to be given to any but Deity, but Jesus does receive it. This would be blasphemy if Jesus were not God.

        February 7, 2012 at 6:21 am |
      • Jason

        I'm sorry, I don't believe in magical sky wizards. Your "faith" is so silly it is sad. Might as well believe in Peter Pan or Harry Potter.

        February 7, 2012 at 10:04 am |
  75. YounanMarketingAndManagementAssociatesInc,Int'l Intst'r

    About Queen Elizabeth's 60 anniversary of her throne rule, diamond anniversary (? sixty isn't the diamond anniversary though – 75 years is diamond jubillee anniversary in fact!!!!!) 60 may be platinum. they falsified
    now the reason mrs. elizabeth is on the throne after her father edward's death is because the uncle, or elizabeth the princesses father's edward's brother, married a man named wallis simpson. that cut him out of becoming the king after his brother's death. but wallis simpson was related to our neighbors, on the second house north on 595 bruce at wyandotte.
    they were a simpson's couple older ones man and woman and friends of my mother and the family, but the ones next door who had a wally named son weren't very friendly. it is a strange series of occurrences stories in our direct link of troublesome abuse to the royale family of england. the cunnings family had various car accidents and all died, including the wally son and ....
    elizabeth the II name is another name, that isn't her name there were no two elizabeths in that time period of royal family inheritors.
    and also you stole my waterway (boat/ship) parade.of 1000 or more vessels. part of my weaver's expo world's fair.

    February 6, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Geoz

      um... yea.... wallis was woman. massive fail.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:44 am |
  76. Wobbles

    Of course Mars had oceans. Anyone who has read The Martian Chronicles knows that.

    February 6, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
  77. Joshua

    The comments on this blog have a high antropological value, showing that evolution has not work for some persons.
    But It is not surprising that these "BLOGPITHECUS" have learned to type, some so (I apoligize to the latter for the comparison)

    As Blogpithecus are not bilingual, I clarify the PITHECUS in ancient Greek means APE

    February 6, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • Bryan

      Your attempt at an intelligent and philosophical post has failed miserably as your spelling and grammar are both atrocious.

      February 7, 2012 at 2:20 am |
  78. Reason & Logic

    That blue thing on the planet reminds me of a nose on Mr. Potato Head.

    February 6, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • jmarklane

      I think you've nailed it! I always suspected Mr. Potato Head was an alien invader! Should have known - a Martian!! And not my favorite, with those stupid little legs. The feds have no doubt been hiding this information for decades. I'm guessing the real Mr. Potato Head is being kept in a Secret Government Hiding Place, probably in Wisconsin.

      February 6, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
  79. politics r weird

    This type of understanding really is amazingly great

    February 6, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
  80. Anonymouse

    Bad recoloring of Mar's surface is bad.

    February 6, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
  81. Gop21

    Explain to me simply under 140 characters wat a magnetic field is. Oh and you have to give ppl time to Google it real quick like.

    February 6, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • JSkellington

      Google how to spell the word "what".... We will give you time.

      February 7, 2012 at 12:39 am |
  82. Gop21

    I've never said i did i told him to Google it. Anyways, Wat is it

    February 6, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
  83. Gop21

    I've never said i did i told him to Google it. Anyways wat is it?

    February 6, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
  84. Gop21

    @billy. Google it ur on CNN.

    February 6, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
  85. Gop21

    Lol @ Judas Priest. Everyone complains about big bad BP but who gets to sit done and write idiotic comments. Oil powers the electric company that u use. Ppl have that right in America so i dont care.

    February 6, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • MC

      Uh, actually half-wit, electricity is made from coal, natural gas, hydroelectric and nuclear. Petroleum accounts for about 1% of it.

      February 6, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
      • Buzz Bodhi

        Wake up people. Electricity is GENERATED by burning oil, coal, gas. Electricity is all around us, in everything around us and in us. This is the 21st century for cryin' out loud. I wish we could just stop burning dead things to keep warm and start generating power efficiently.

        February 7, 2012 at 7:15 am |
  86. Billy32

    Ackk! Why you big fat sucker pants. How could mars have oceans!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    February 6, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
  87. dudley0415

    Possibly life of some very basic form – but no iPhones, and what's life without an iPhone?

    February 6, 2012 at 7:54 pm |

    February 6, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
  89. Obamabus

    In a related event, they believe they've found evidence of nougat, caramel and almonds just below the chocolate surface.

    February 6, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
  90. Blah

    I have concluded that the planet Neptune "may" have mountains of Jello and rivers of Nutella. Saying Mars "may" have had oceans is not a conclusion. It's a hypothesis.

    February 6, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Judas Priest

      Based on thirty seconds of research, I have concluded that you "may" be an idiot.

      February 6, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
      • DocCutty

        Actually, you're the idiot. He's right.

        February 6, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
      • Rob


        You're annoying... really annoying.

        February 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • swisscottage

      True. How is "Mars may have had oceans" a news story?

      February 6, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • Elizabeth

      Neptune has pretty oceans of liquid nitrogen; not a good landing site. Mars has powerful storms that make our tornadoes look tame; nothing could live there now if it did in the past. Maybe all the activity is underground.

      February 6, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
      • swisscottage

        I've wondered that myself. Maybe there are underground caverns that are warm enough for carbon-based life. But could they live without the sun?

        February 6, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
    • JDT

      most scientific-based advances start out as hypothesis... so what's your point?

      February 7, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      Based on the evidence collected. Unless you have any evidence of jello your comparison is worthless and nonsensical.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:48 am |
  91. dale

    Mars lost his magnetic field, Earth will be just like Mars one day, when Eerth loses his magnetic field.

    February 6, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Judas Priest

      Loss of magnetic field is not the only reason for Mars' current condition. Add to it distance from the Sun, low gravity, and low-mass moons.
      Additionally, Earth's magnetic field has occasionally disappeared for short periods of time, and reappeared again (usually with polarity reversed). Earth's composition is different enough, and tidal interaction with our moon strong enough, to make permanent loss of the magnetic field unlikely.

      February 6, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
      • Yakobi

        If you ask Algore, he'd blame it on global warming.

        February 6, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
      • ﺶCHEﺶ

        Hey Right Rev. Judas, you really know how to make things up. What the heck are you talking about? This is not some scripture. It's Advanced Physics for Heaven's sake way out of your league. Leave it to those of us with that Adv. Engineering background. You can’t spin this on us for 30-pieces of jewish silver. You feel me?

        February 7, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • Josh

      Very true. Mar's iron core cooled off, and solidified. With that, it lost is magnetic field and therefore its shielding from the sun's "wind". The solar wind then was able to blow away Mar's atmosphere and water.

      Someday, Earth's iron core will do the same, and we'll suffer the same consequences.

      February 6, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
      • Fritz

        I don't think we will. Once we figure out we don't need the Earth to survive, we'll be long gone from this world before that happens.

        February 6, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • Aaron

      Yes that will happen one day, but the sun will destroy this solar system well before that happens. The reason primarily Mars couldn't keep its magnetic field was due to the fact that it is not large or dense enough to a maintain molten core like the earth can and so cooled much faster. Once it cooled there wasn't enough electromagnetic energy easily swirling around to generate or maintain a field large enough to combat the solar wind. Once the magnetic shield was down the solar wind slowly eroded away its atmosphere to what it is today which is quite thin.

      February 6, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Billy32

      what is a magnetic field?

      February 6, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
      • Fritz

        As long as you don't ask us what a 'magnetic field' is then we all know what it is. But if you ask us, then we don't have a clue.

        February 6, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • ﺶCHEﺶ

      Hey, know your Basic Physics. Looks like you didn't take your 1st. Grade class Physics lessons seriously.
      When an object losses it magnetism or magnetic forces; there's ONLY one-degree of freedom (DOF) of its directional travel. And that is South Bound to disaster imaginable. Make sure you have an updated life insurance for your next of kin. Ooooops! You will collect it though?

      February 7, 2012 at 10:02 am |
  92. dreamer96

    This sounds like old news to me..I though everyone had already agreed Mars had oceans and an atmosphere...and a small spinning liquid metal earth..but Mar's core was smaller, less nuclear material to sustain it , and cooled and stopped spinning, and Mars lost it's magnetic field...(did they find volcanic rocks with polarized magnet alignment?, I though they did)...Well once the magnetic field was gone..the atmosphere heated up and started to boiled off, an the ocean's water...I wonder how much we got of Mar's ocean..

    February 6, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  93. harry

    Which means we'll pollute it, spill oil all over it and kill off any type of life that may exist there.

    February 6, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • Samuel

      If there's a resource to be exploited somewhere, we'll be there. We truly behave like parasites more then civilized being don't we?

      February 7, 2012 at 7:41 am |
  94. cpc65

    If the red planet had oceans, and possibly life, you know what that means? OIL! BP will be there in a heartbeat.

    February 6, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Judas Priest

      The short length of time these oceans existed make the formation of life unlikely.

      February 6, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
      • DocCutty

        Would you know a joke if it bit you in the butt?

        February 6, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
      • Elizabeth

        Just need a little water, methane, some lightning, and you've got amino acids. Life doesn't start out complex.

        February 6, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • Lemark

      No man, its the short length of time for the 2nd ocean. The first may have been around long enough to support life.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:07 am |


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