Scientists getting clearer picture of 'God particle'
The CDF detector at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois, has given scientists new clues to the Higgs boson.
March 7th, 2012
04:00 AM ET

Scientists getting clearer picture of 'God particle'

This could be the year of the Higgs boson, the most sought-after particle in all of physics. More clues about it are emerging at a U.S.-based collider whose budgetary woes shut it down last year.

The Department of Energy’s Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory (Fermilab) has just announced that it has found hints of the ever-so-important particle, which are consistent with observations from the Large Hadron Collider.

Finding the Higgs boson would help explain the origin of mass, one of the open questions in physicists' current understanding of the way the universe works. The particle has been so difficult to pin down (metaphorically speaking) that physicist Leon Lederman reportedly wanted to call his book "The Goddamn Particle." But he truncated that epithet to "The God Particle," which may have helped elevate the particle's allure in popular culture.

Scientists working on two independent experiments at the Tevatron accelerator in Batavia, Illinois, see patterns in data that might - just might - be indicative of signals from a Higgs boson. If so, that particle would have a mass between 115 to 135 GeV.

"A clearer picture is starting to emerge," said Rob Roser, physicist at Fermilab.

But the results from U.S. collider experiments don't have enough statistical significance to call their data a discovery.

Neither do the analyses that have come out of the Large Hadron Collider, located 328 feet underground beneath the border of France and Switzerland. The LHC announced similar results in December 2011. But the $10 billion machine, which is much more powerful than Tevatron, did not deliver proof of the existence of the Higgs boson, either.

"The search continues," Roser said.

Related: Why is the 'God particle' so important?

Tevatron, which booted up in 1983, had its final run in September 2011. Scientists are still investigating the dataset gleaned from smashing protons and anti-protons. Anti-protons can be extracted from colliding protons into a target.

The Higgs boson announcement comes on the tail of another breakthrough from what used to be the United States' most powerful particle accelerator: The Tevatron measured the mass of the W boson, another particle, at an unprecedented level of precision. This number and the mass of the top quark, another particle, can help predict the mass of the Higgs boson. That, too, is consistent with this new result.

Sadly, there's no more data to analyze from the defunct collider, Roser said. But he and colleagues may still be able to improve their analyses enough to have just a bit more certainty about the potential Higgs boson.

"All our good ideas are done already. What’s left are some hard ideas," he said. "Maybe we can improve it [the Higgs analysis] at the 10 to 20% level."

Also on the bright side, the LHC is expected to deliver four times the amount of data in 2012 than it got in the last two years. "That should be enough for it to make a proof-positive statement" about whether there really is or is not a Higgs boson, Roser said.

Scientists announced the development at Rencontres de Moriond, the annual conference on Electroweak Interactions and Unified Theories, in Italy.

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  24. jr

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  25. Karyn

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  26. Jaymo

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    Take those $10 billion dollars and see how many poor people can be helped, sounds better, doesn't it?

    July 3, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Earthling

      Keep your religious nonsense in your church where it belongs. If you want to believe obvious claptrap like the bible and other fairy tales, go ahead, but do it on your own time. People are trying to have an intelligent discussion here.

      July 4, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
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    I do believe in God and that he knows everything, and since we have just realized the big bang in the last few hundred years, think of how much knowledge that has yet to be discovered. and we have the nerve to discredit God like we know everything....even your Socrates realized that the more that he learned, the less he realized he actually knew.

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    April 3, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • jfc1

      ....ever notice how religious people are so sure about religion that it overcomes any scientific skepticism in a society that rose out of tens of thousands of years of irrational human behavior *because* of logic, reason, and fact-based science?

      None of that matters because they KNOW.

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      Do they ever bother to think of that?

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    • Earthling

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      March 18, 2012 at 10:49 am |
  37. christopher

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      How many faiths did you try before you settled on your particular faith?

      Atheists just don't make that leap of faith. We don't believe anything we don't have reason to. If we decided to believe in a god or gods, we would have a huge challenge trying to pick one from the thousands available.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:44 am |
  40. Malta

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    • Patrick

      Theists pick delusion. Just sayin'.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:44 am |
  41. krehator

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    March 8, 2012 at 2:58 am |
    • Patrick

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      No one has definitive answers, and scientists will be the first to tell you this, as they do not suffer from the misunderstanding that many non-scientists do.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:56 am |
  42. Larry

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    March 7, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
  43. opinion8it

    I bet God gets a kick out of man building this huge contraption to try and duplicate a particle - imagine creating a universe.

    March 7, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • Patrick

      "imagine creating a universe"

      LoL! As if such a thing could be done.

      March 7, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • uKnewit2

      Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense

      March 7, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • uKnewit2

      To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy
      What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof

      March 7, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
  44. wetblanket

    Listen, God, no God, that argument could go on for days.

    I'm happy just knowing that no matter what side of the aisle you're on, we all spend our valuable and finite time with fruitful labors such as science-article-discussion-posting. And to think! I almost called my mom instead of reading this thread.

    March 7, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Patrick

      I called my mom because of this thread!

      March 7, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Sean


      March 8, 2012 at 8:37 am |
  45. martin

    Einstein said he was trying to get into the mind of God, when he developed the theory of relativity.
    But the fact that we live an incredibly complex and infinitely mysterious existence doesn't necessary prove
    there is all-powerful, sentient creator who inhabits a parallel reality, manipulates our own reality but remains completely invisible. All it proves is that we inhabit an incredibly complex and infinitely mysterious reality. The problem is, if you don't buy into a God scenario, you don't have anywhere else to go at this point.

    March 7, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • uKnewit2

      Einstein stated that he didn`t belive in the GOD deal either

      March 7, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  46. AGuest9

    CNN, PLEASE stop using that ridiculous moniker! If you want to be historically correct, call it "that godd@mn particle", which is it's proper (and original) name.

    March 7, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
  47. Leucadia Bob

    BACON is the TRUE GOD Particle:

    March 7, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • wetblanket

      based on your apparent proclivities bob, I'm convinced we would make fast friends.

      March 7, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
  48. Dave

    I am a physicist. I think I will name my next paper "The God Article" so I can get more press... Yeah, that'll give me more credibility.

    March 7, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  49. Soosh

    All scientists must presuppose that nature is orderly in order for scientific testing to be meaningful. For instance, measuring the speed of a ball rolling down an inclined plane would be pointless if the force of gravity were constantly changing in an unpredictable way. Why is there an order and consistancy in everything?

    March 7, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • M-Theory

      Well we call them 'laws"... and they are what we observe empirically. If we saw that things changed we would adjust to suit. But the Basis of Einstein's relativity is that everything affects everything else and it's always changing.

      March 7, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • AGuest9

      At the macro level, things appear to be orderly. Look at something as simple as a petri dish full of pond water and you will see quite a different realm. Look up Einstein's paper on Brownian motion. Also, try the book "Chaos, Order, Chaos". Things are not as they appear.

      March 7, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • clearfog

      Quantum mechanics teaches us that cause and effect are not orderly, but random. It is only because of applied probability theory that things appear orderly on the macro level. That is, god does play dice and the unknown parameter argument raised by Einstein to preserve the concept of an orderly universe is wrong, the ERP Paradox notwithstanding, as demonstrated by the work of John Bell.

      March 7, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • uKnewit2

      for ever action there is a reaction ,that is science , god is a creation of man , a fantasy of the weak minded

      March 7, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
  50. Hunter

    We are all God since it is our thoughts and energy that created this world and these particles!

    March 7, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • M-Theory

      You may be closer to the truth than you even realize. At the core of mass may be an idea.

      March 7, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • we're all freaking gonna die!

      I use to believe that, but now I understand the organic balance of life and how we are in relationship to the earth, who is dominate over us, not the other way round. now spirit is another realm altogether.

      March 7, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • clearfog

      True, in a sense. The observed does not exist independent of an observer who is a necessary component of the system. Quantum mechanics 101. If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, it does not make a sound. John Bell and others. BTW – the observer need not be human or even alive. An understanding of decoherence resolves that issue and preserves the sanity of Schroedinger's cat.

      March 7, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
  51. we're all freaking gonna die!

    BaWahahahahahahahahaha.... that Goddam particle again!!

    March 7, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
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    If Jesus had wanted us to know the origin of mass, he would have told us when he wrote the bible!

    March 7, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
  53. justmeanddog

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    Visions of Bosons at my feet
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    For whilst I take eternal rest
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    The Mass of Gas I will not seek
    Nor from my grave will I speak
    But know you this before I depart
    This whole Higgs thing could be just a Fart.

    March 7, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  54. amcgarva

    The word "data" is plural as in (from the 4th to last paragraph): "Sadly, there are no more data to analyze..." rather than
    "Sadly, there's no more data to analyze..."

    It is a pretty pathetic peeve to have, I admit. But it is amazing how often the word is treated as singular (as "datum").

    March 7, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
  55. THOR

    Your puny Jesus promised to get rid of the wicked
    My father Odin promised to get rid of Ice Giants
    Do you see any Ice Giants

    March 7, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • M-Theory

      Proof of the past existence of Ice Giants settles it

      March 7, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
  56. Javelin

    75% of the universe is made of Dark energy, and we know almost nothing about it. All this effort to find Higgs and it doesn't even do anything to explain Dark Energy. How much you wanna bet that the current scientific model for how the universe works gets completely thrown out in 10 years?

    March 7, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • M-Theory

      Dark energy is thought to be the 'virtual mass' of quantum fluctuations in empty space... which is ridiculous to me. If Quantum fluctuations partially exist as particles in our dimension then having mass makes more sense.

      March 7, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
  57. Mike

    This will show us we are connected to an even bigger reality... perhaps the God particle is not a misnomer.

    March 7, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
  58. David Claytor

    Theory: An educated, insightful, scientifically-sound guess.

    March 7, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
  59. Rustyy

    no wonder I'm fat, too many Higgs boson value meals

    March 7, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
  60. M-Theory

    Has anyone thought about this particle not entirely existing in this dimension? I believe quantum fluctuations may be transition particles that exist in a somewhat separate dimension. Gravitons may be similar. Why can't the Big Bang be a white hole that exists as black hole in our future...when space/time becomes non-relative in the singularity? In this scenario time is cyclical and relative and it is 2-dimensional. String theory predicts multiple dimensions in sub Planck-length space. If this is true, a relative-time can exist within one of these and only interact with our time at the core of a black hole. Time is relative.

    March 7, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • Mike

      Perhaps the big bag is part of two super-membranes (M-Theory) colliding together, creating a force that reorganizes the universe as we know it. Hence, to your point we are seeing the side-affects of an even bigger picture.

      March 7, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
  61. DCBuck

    Can anyone say, "Massive taxpayer-fueled boondoggle?" Where's a bridge to nowhere when you need one?

    March 7, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
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      What a waste, indeed. In the time it took you to read the article (probably the headline only) and write your comment, you could have learned a lot more about the Kardashians.

      March 7, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • AGuest9

      88.6 million Americans OWED taxes in 2008 (the last year I was able to find data on. This is in addition to the 42 million that received a tax refund. If you take the $35 million dollar request by DoE to support American research at CERN, you would find that it cost each of the people that had to pay in about 39.5 CENTS to support this research. You lose more that amount of money in your car seats each year.

      March 7, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
  62. christina

    here's a hint: it isn't a particle.

    March 7, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • Sean

      Here is another… it’s not a god ether…


      March 8, 2012 at 8:36 am |
  63. t0mm

    Religion is a bunch of hocus pocus nonsense. Praying is doing nothing about something. Science and religion are one big oxymoron. After 5,000 years of so-called civilizatoin, wouln't that make any intelligent and knowing god a great big underacheiver?

    Pardon typos

    March 7, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
  64. Redman

    Read the Bible if you want to find the "God Particle"

    March 7, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
  65. Badly-Bent

    It's like a dangling particle and we haven't yet figured out why or where it dangles.

    March 7, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • clearfog

      That's dangling participle.

      March 7, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  66. Q


    March 7, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  67. Q

    Reliigion + Quantum physics / contradiction = infinity

    March 7, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
  68. MP in VA

    Um, I'm not an atheist, but you do realize, eventually, as you go further back in time, you will get to a point where God had to have spontaneously been formed from random particles, thus owing his (her? its?) existence to Physics. He had to come from somewhere.

    March 7, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • uKnewit2

      yep ,so who made god , and then who made the one who made god , and so on and so on and so on ..........................religion is a joke

      March 7, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Partos

      You are traping yourself in the deminsion of time, I would not do that if it was me. If God created all things he created time, space and all other deminsions. I would suspect that he would not be subjct to the laws he created. .................. sorta like being a US congressmen and being above (and exempt) from the laws you create and impose on everyone else.

      July 4, 2012 at 2:56 am |
  69. Brian

    Something cannot come from nothing. The more you try to disprove God the more you will realized that there is a God

    March 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • clearfog

      Something can come from nothing because nothingness is unstable. I refer you to your first year course in quantum mechanics. You did takes that course, right?

      March 7, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
  70. GBfromOhio

    As Sherman the shark said to his uber-intelligent alter ego from an alternate universe ... "I like pie"

    March 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
  71. C

    2012 – the year the God particle was discovered... Mere seconds later Earth was swallowed up in the newly discovered black hole that was the direct result of the God particle.... Yay Humans!

    March 7, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • clearfog

      Yay dumbed down pseudo-science.

      March 7, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
  72. M-Theory

    Has anyone thought about this particle not entirely existing in this dimension? I believe quantum fluctuations may be transition particles that exist in a somewhat separate dimension. Gravitons may be similar. Why can't the Big Bang be a white hole that exists as black hole in our future...when space/time becomes non-relative in the singularity? In this senario time is cyclical and relative and it is 2-dimensional. String theory predicts multiple dimensions in sub Planck-length space. If this is true, a relative-time can exist within one of these and only interact with our time at the core of a black hole. Time is relative.

    March 7, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • C

      Not of your dead... Then anything goes and time means squat.

      March 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
      • C


        March 7, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
      • M-Theory

        Actually, if time is cyclical then you may live again, and have lived forever. You may also be the same person typing this to yourself right you are the person reading it.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  73. bobbz

    You are all idiots. I was thrilled that CNN took space on their page to promote science, and an extremely significant discovery at that. What do you do with this news? Become another statistic for why Americans get called idiots by countries that actually care about science and engineering.

    March 7, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
  74. dr badongo

    messi fu.. all what do you thinks about? aaa mother f.....

    March 7, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  75. Patrick

    Science will never be able to explain the universe. I'm surprised they're still at it. Waist of time physics is...

    March 7, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • clearfog

      And a waist (sic) of time in English education too.

      March 7, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Patrick

      Science already has. Take a physics course, or a chemistry course, or a biology course, or a cosmology course, or...

      March 7, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
  76. TonyNVA

    I'm no longer surprised at the number of ignorant people in this country; but how proud they are of it amazes me.

    March 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Patrick

      America is historically anti-intellectual. I would guess it comes from our puritanical origins.

      March 7, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
  77. Sean

    Science will fly you to the Moon; religion will fly you into a building.

    March 7, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • mary

      Do you understand that in the scientific community God has become a career killer.. If you believe in a creator , you will be laughed out of the loop..
      so many who would say there is a God , will not..
      Its like the "Oprah effect' in show business.. You go along with what she thinks..
      In this case you go along with what the most notorious scientific mind thinks..
      Take Hawking.. who , who values his career and his notoriety, is going to tell him he is wrong on the God "thing"..?
      come on..People need to start "thinking" about these things.. Quiet letting career mindied people dictate..
      Because many of those scientists DO actually believe there must have been intelligence behind this.. But will NOT admit it.. For fear of loosing all they have worked for...

      March 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Sean

      Of course it’s a career killer. So is Big Foot, UFOs(Alien) and the Loch Ness monster. All of which have eye wittiness and more physical proof than we have for a ‘creator’. That doesn’t mean they are real or likely to be so.

      >People need to start "thinking" about these things
      I agree, but that’s only half the battle.. time to let the indoctrination go.

      March 7, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  78. mary

    Science is great at finding what is already there..
    And though I love the discoveries as much as anyone else..I still believe there was "creation" and at some point we are going to dig too deep.. And its going to reveal that we are getting stopped from going any further...
    Its always amazed me that scientific discoveries which prove more and more how mysterious and complex the universe is..Seems to draw people farther from the belief in a creator.. It seems to me..All science is proving is 'complexity' which could not have been random.. Its like the more we know the more stubborn and stupid we become about the who of it .
    All science proves in my opinion is that there is no way, it was random.. That there surely had to be intelligence behind the design..

    March 7, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • Sean

      So where then is your proof of a creator… or is this more hypocrisy?

      March 7, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
      • mary

        'First there was nothing, then it exploded'...........
        If the vastness of the universe and the complexity of life doesn't show you all the proof you need.. Then you have no power of deduction..
        Its a simple thing for you .. You have the "show me" mentality..
        Well its being shown to you daily.. These discoveries only prove there was no randomness to it..
        Its insanity to believe this all just popped up one day..

        March 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
      • Sean

        Lol that old chestnut?

        First the theory doesn’t go ‘'First there was nothing, then it exploded”

        Secondly as you said yourself all that’s been proven is the complexity. That doesn’t mean anything on its own. You are interjecting your own ‘faith’ into it.

        Lastly.. thank you for making my point… you profess to have knowledge of which you only have conjecture to support. As in no proof.

        Logic fail. Thanks for playing.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
  79. clearfog

    Elizabeth Landau – Thanks for the article. Don't be jumping off any bridges after reading the some of the comments. We need more science articles.

    March 7, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
  80. DJames

    From the article itself: Physicist Leon Lederman wrote a book called The God Particle. Seems to me that scientists came up with this term, not the media.

    March 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • clearfog


      March 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
      • Sean

        Convenient how he left that part out eh?

        March 7, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  81. brother jake's brutha

    Oh they finally read Lederman's "The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?" Should be required of them long ago...

    March 7, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
  82. Just Sayin ...

    So long and thanks for all the fish.

    March 7, 2012 at 3:48 pm |

      You are welcome, NOW get back Jojo...

      March 7, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
  83. jj

    I recently read the statement that the universe is a machine for creating gods. (Spiritual growth, reincarnation, etc.)

    March 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Amish & ANDY

      Are ye sure it wasn't " the university is a machine for creating gods." (Spiritual growth, reincarnation, etc.)

      March 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
  84. dudley0415

    The "most sought after particle in physics" would be the next great discovery in science. Most every physicist is looking for it in some way or another. Since it is a race to be the first to find it, it is almost surely going to be found. Due to the notoriety to be gleaned from such a discovery, Particle physics may be in the difficult position of leaving skepticism, a valuable and necessary position in physics, almost completely up to the public. Not too long ago we found that scientists realized that there was 3X the number of stars they originally thought, "Making a huge mess out of everything." We also know that the universe is accelerating, not decelerating, another strange find in recent physics. Even if 'irrefutable evidence' is announced, it will take decades to "prove" the data, during which time we hope that it will be hotly debated. We hope that this version of a unified theory in PP (since the HB is supposed to help define mass and how other particles get their mass) will prove a battleground for debate, diction and the free exchange of ideas, and not devolve into a political argument like Global Warming.

    March 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • fred

      Nicely said. . . but Al Gore has Global Warming solved but no one wants to get involved. People are like that at a train wreck. They rubber-neck but no way will they help clean-up the tracks or the aid the dying.
      A lot of people are trying to solve the Static Theory at Neiman Marcus; free shipping throws everyone off kilter and they wind up buying things they don't need.
      I'm in marketing, not Physics.

      March 7, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  85. Mr. Dee Baggs III

    Oh, that silly layman. Am I right DannoB.S.?

    March 7, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • christopher

      "Thank you mando.. this is not about any god. Those people, in another time and place, would be condoning torture as spiritual cleansing. All over a book written by ancient politicians. I am highly spiritual, not ignorant." -GREAT COMMENT !!

      March 18, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
  86. MandoZink

    This is really the most important particle left to discover. One of the most intriguing mysteries in particle physics is why there was a slight matter-antimatter imbalance at the onset of the expansion of the universe. Most of the matter and antimatter annihilated each other, leaving a slight surplus of matter. This is called the "CP violation", an unexplained imbalance. The Higgs Boson is thought to be the particle responsible for breaking the symmetry that should have left the universe with only radiation and no matter.

    March 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Mark B.

      Try God.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
      • owen

        Which god? Osiris? Thor? Yahweh? Allah? Quetzalcoatl?

        March 7, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
      • clearfog

        First, you have to indict Him.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
      • mh

        I tried him – didn't like it. Science is better, much more truthful.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
      • MandoZink

        Which one? Besides, been there – tried that. It is comforting for those who have no other perspective. I will admit that. "Got Science?"

        March 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
      • Earthling

        Try the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
      • Paul

        Owen, whichever God you choose, as long as you come to the reality that order and design is the result of an intelligent mind. That something outside of our own universe began what we know today to be... and God said, "let there be light". funny how we just learned about the big bang in the past century, however moses saw it, or was revealed to him, thousands of years ago. What a brilliant and beautiful (not to mention susinct) way to put, what must have been, a truly awesome revelation. I love how no matter how much science uncovers, there is still so much more to explain. Praise the Lord of our universe! whatever you choose to call him owen.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
      • Primewonk

        " and God said, "let there be light". funny how we just learned about the big bang in the past century, however moses saw it, or was revealed to him, thousands of years ago."

        Except, of course, that your bible got it all wrong. "Let there be light came AFTER your god says he formed the earth.

        In reality, the early universe was way too hot and way too dense for any planets, stars or light. The universe had to cool and expand for 300,000 years before there was light. A few more million years before any stars formed, and a whopping 9 billion more years before the earth formed.

        Why do you guys lie?

        March 7, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
      • Patrick

        *Thumbs up to that one!

        March 7, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
      • jim

        @Primewonk They lie because the truth destroys their fantasy.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
      • Rob

        One if their was a Spaghetti monster an Italian would have eaten by now. Damn ginnies also really you are talking god in a science topic. That's like putting vinager on my baked potato don't do screw with my baed potato. I'll beam it at the thick head of yours.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
      • cwestions

        @ Primewonk

        Of course you know, because you were there...

        March 7, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
      • David Claytor

        God explains the creation eloquently and poignantly in exactly one chapter of the Bible. Man is still trying to explain away creation with countless theories, models, books, speculations, assumptions etc. It's amazing how He laid out the creation and the order in which things were created cannot be disputed by any one examining it through an objective lens.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
      • Edwin

        Primework - you sound like one of the intolerant religious bunch, assuming your particular literal interpretation of everything is the only correct interpretation.

        The Bible was never meant to be a piece of scientific literature. I do not believe it to be God's work, either, but to dismiss it because it states that light came after the earth is foolish. Remember, it was less than a century ago that we as a species thought up the Big Bang. In another century or two we will look back at it as one of our more foolish notions, having since moved on to bigger and better theories of the origin of the universe. Prove to me that the Big Bang *MUST* have occurred exactly as you understand it, and I can accept your belittling of the Bible - otherwise be quiet.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
      • conrad

        This has become such a tired old conversation. Why does it have to be either/or. Can't there be God and science? I'd think in as complex a universe as this there would be room for both.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
      • clearfog

        @Paul You are confused. Moses did not write Genesis. In fact, there is almost no evidence that Moses existed, that the Jews were ever in Egypt, or that they wandered for 40 years, lost in a fairly small desert.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
      • CueBallSTL

        @Paul: "Owen, whichever God you choose, as long as you come to the reality that order and design is the result of an intelligent mind."

        Belief in intelligent design is a sign of an unintelligent mind.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike

        March 7, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
      • Suzanne

        God has some awesome science! Oh, there's only one God and you can use whatever name is familiar to you:) Silly mortals.

        March 7, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        he don`t never answer his phone ,

        March 7, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
      • Suzanne

        It's a party line. Just pick up and start talking.

        March 7, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
      • Patrick

        Just don't expect the main attraction to be on the line. It's just a bunch of chatter with other people expecting miracles.

        March 7, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
      • mickey1313

        I find it funny that in the belief blog thiests complaine about athiests posting, but in the science blog, they have no problem pokeing their fairy-tale believing noises into the subject. HYPOCRITES

        March 8, 2012 at 12:32 am |
      • mickey1313

        paul, your argument is very weak. All arguments for thiesm are so weak they hold no water. I want one, just one good sound argument that does not rely on self reliance to make a point, to be brought forward by the thiests to justify their bilnd faith. It is so sad that humans are so dumb.

        March 8, 2012 at 12:37 am |
      • What Now

        Science is less judgemental. Science encourages critical thinking. I take science.

        March 8, 2012 at 9:59 am |
      • raawww

        The only thing outside are universe is more universes yep and they are the reason for the big bang which the old sea splitter never thought of and order what kind of order is in the universes there is no order only similar chaos

        March 9, 2012 at 1:31 am |
      • Jessy The Gnostic

        I tried God. Ironically, he told me to look at the large Hadron Collider. Imagine God having to explain to me the complex and scientific details on the creation of the universe. That conversation would be as long as there are books in a library. I just had a thought though... what God, doesn't exactly know how he came into being and that maybe, just maybe, we are here in this mortal world to figure that out?

        ***puts on the flame-resistant suit for the inevitable flame from the religious trolls***

        July 3, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • clearfog

      How does the asymmetry of the K-Mason fit into this?

      March 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
      • MandoZink

        Not sure. The K meson, or kaon, is another broken symmetry that occurs during a weak interaction decay. Google the "hyperphysics " website for a neat physics particle tree with explanations. You might attend a few good lectures first.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
      • MandoZink

        "You might attend a few good lectures first" was not an insult, in case you though it might be. I used the Hyperphysics for years. When I finally saw some particle physics lectures, the Hyperphysics site became a lot more interesting.

        March 7, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
      • clearfog

        No offense taken. It was a good suggestion.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Bnowell

      theoretical physicists are nothing more than mathematiallly gifted science fiction writers. They stand to profit by coming
      up with "theories" that can neither be proven or disproven.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
      • clearfog

        You are confused. "Theories" that cannot be proven or disproven are called religions. "Theories" posited by scientists by definition can be proven or disproven.

        March 7, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
      • MandoZink

        Oh, I wouldn't say that. They eventually all become testable as we advance. They weren't just making these things up. We definitely ended WW2 with a "proof of concept".

        March 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
      • nightscout

        what do you think religion is?

        March 7, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
      • tffl

        Yeah, that's it. They come up with theories because there is so much money in it for them...

        March 7, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
      • nightscout

        Ok, I will clue you in: Religion started as a set of guidelines for human conduct, which turned into 'beliefs'. The problem with beliefs is that you kill or die for – and with no proof as to why.
        Consider the number of times the Bible has been written, interpreted, with questionable motives 'updated', the number of versions, etc etc etc all at the hands of a few men that had to justify their actions to other men. So, where's the beef?

        March 7, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
      • Maccerz

        You're absolutely right. Why, just the other day I saw a scientist driving his Ferrari into his million dollar mansion

        March 7, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
      • dmac

        Actually, religion started as a way for primitive man to explain anything he could not understand, or more specifically, things that he was afraid of (weather, drought, famine, good harvests, rain, etc.) They had no concept of how thigns worked so decided it must be the work of a higher being or beings. So the god(s) were either happy with them or mad at them and they would act accordingly. I gotta tell you, the human race is still a long, long way from being able to do without it.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
      • boobie

        'Maccerz" HAHAHAHA!! that was awesome. i sure do love my civic... wonder when i'll see the $$$ start rolling in. maybe i'll change careers and go into one of the snazzy tax free clubs and wait for donations to start rolling in. guess i'll have to learn to cry a lot and make up stuff on the fly... ugh.. that almost sounds as hard as what i do now.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
      • iamdeadlyserious

        Might want to look up the definition of "Theory" as it relates to science there, pal.

        March 7, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        Bnowell sounds like a man with a GED.....

        March 7, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
      • Neeneko

        Yeah.. the computer you are typing on does not work without the 'theories' that theoretical physicists came up with. You think private industry came up with the science behind modern computer chips? Nope...

        April 5, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • M-Theory

      Yes but the anti Higgs boson destroyed all but a few Higgs bosons..... Find the Anti-Higgs boson by watching Jersey Shore tonight at 8PM. thanks

      March 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Popso

      Okay, so God didn't create just existed? What? You're saying there was no existence before the Big Bang occurred? Sorry, but science will NEVER completely understand the universe. I choose to believe in a God because it simply makes more sense that it was intellectually created rather than "it just was". Its a better explanation overall. I'm not saying people are wrong in their scientific answers; I'm simply arguing that science will never fulfill the intangible parts of life...dreams, faith, love, belief; these things cannot be explained through science. I actually believe that we are a fractal of a fractal of a fractal and there are infinite universes inside of us...just like we are inside a universe inside a universe inside a universe, etc...for infinity.

      March 7, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
      • brian

        You make it sound completely one-sided. you say there was nothing before the big bang as if you are mocking it... but then believe that a god created everything.. and nothing was before him.
        How can you say no to the big bang, because they cant say what was before it.. but accept god (1 of thousands.. so your odds of choosing right are very bad) who just came out of no where, flies around space creating planets and life forms.
        Bit hypocritical.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
      • clearfog

        If you understood the physics of the Big Bang, you would understand that asking what happened before it is a meaningless question. In logic, it is called a category error. EG What is the Earth like one mile north of the north pole? There is no such north and there was no such time before the Big Bang.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
      • Patrick

        Putting it simply here, best to research further if you want to know:
        The background radiation that we can measure at the furthest point of presence in our cosmos is the evidence of the Big Bang. As we look further and further away from Earth, we see earlier and earlier events of the universe. The background radiation is the furthest presence and there is nothing beyond it. This has led to the consensus that the Big Bang was a starting point of the universe and nothing – not even time – existed before the Big Bang.

        March 7, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        Popso you need to grt back on your meds......

        March 7, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
      • Malta

        Popso what you said is brilliant. That's exactly what I think. It's much more difficult to not believe in God than to actually believe. According to these people the big bang is God! Which is obviously not the case. God won't prove to anyone he's alive just because He's tested. He doesn't need to prove anything. With or without us He's alive and always and forever will be. If you chat to Him with a believing heart you will then see Him. But that's the only way.

        March 8, 2012 at 9:23 am |
      • Patrick

        "Simply makes more sense" is a cop-out and intellectually dishonest. But go ahead and explain that simplicity so we can all understand.

        Also, do you feel all the faiths make more sense, or just some of them? Which ones?

        March 8, 2012 at 10:47 am |
      • christopher

        I'd like to pipe up on this topic and clarify (or get clarifies!) about this.. Are we talking about OUR galaxy and the big bang? Because it certainly looks all blown to hell. Why cant an explosion bigger than that exist? maybe God is outside of that, playing with his fireworks, trying to get a quark to pop out!

        March 10, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Edwin

      It's the most important particle - now... in 50 years, there may be something WAY more interesting to study. I sure hope so - imagine a universe with no more bizarre mysteries left to explore...

      March 7, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
      • Samskwirl

        ...well, there will always be the religious nuts to study.

        March 8, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • Elizabeth

      The answer is the time stamp of your posting: 3.33 These three numbers represent the Holy Trinity... the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

      March 7, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
      • CueBallSTL

        So what does 5:27 say about you?

        March 7, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
      • uKnewit2

        Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.

        March 7, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
      • Jim

        Elisabeth, apparently someone lied to you when they said the bible says god is trinitarian. If you think that 1 John 5:7–8 (aka comma johanneum) proves it, you were lied to again. This was added centuries later by scribes who wanted to force their own personal interpretation into the New Testament. It is a well known fact that many early Christian groups did not believe in a trinitarian God. As is usually the case, history was written by the winners. The most powerful group then oppressed, persecuted and murdered the groups they believed were heretics. There is no devine inspiration in your theology of a trinity. It is all man-made.

        March 8, 2012 at 3:26 am |
      • Malta

        @Jim. Funny first time I heard that this is a lie. Not even the harshest critics of Jesus ever dared to say He lied. It is known to be the most accurate piece of history in the world. I wonder why people still wish that it is all a lie.

        March 8, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • conrad

      Doesn't the fact that there was a slight imbalance of matter effectively demonstrate that the assumption of balance is inaccurate, or at least conditional? Maybe all things only tend to equilibrium unless willed to be otherwise?

      March 7, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • femanvate

      Really, this is the last great piece of the puzzle that will let humans understand the universe? Please pick up a history book, Mr Scientist. People have been claiming that for thousands of years. We only understand a fraction of the universe and its good to know more, but don't claim you know it all. Arrogance is dangerous.

      March 7, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
      • MandoZink

        No! This is about discoveries in the Particle Physics field, not the entire gamut of knowledge. Please pick up a science book! By the way, history books are full of these types of misunderstandings of science.

        March 7, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • dink

      Thank you mando.. this is not about any god. Those people, in another time and place, would be condoning torture as spiritual cleansing. All over a book written by ancient politicians. I am highly spiritual, not ignorant.

      March 18, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Caveman

      The Higgs will never be found. Matter gets it's mass from space itself and the more dense matter is, the more energy it pulls from space to give it it's mass "THROUGH FIELDS", not particles.

      "My second discovery was of a physical truth of the greatest importance. As I have searched the entire scientific records in more than a half dozen languages for a long time without finding the least anticipation, I consider myself the original discoverer of this truth, which can be expressed by the statement: There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment." — Nikola Tesla

      July 3, 2012 at 9:00 am |
      • emte

        The Higgs particle is a part of the Higgs field, as a water partical is part of a cup of water.

        July 5, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • M&M

      Look all you want: GOD is the creator of the very first particle!

      July 3, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
      • Earthling

        Sorry, no. In order for someone to create something, it is first necessary for that being to actually exist.

        July 4, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Vijay

      I appreciate the progress of Science. But I think, there is no need to give it the name as 'GOD PARTICLE'. It unnecessarily invites the debate between the Science and the God. The 'God' is a limited idea of human mind and that's why it has just created many religions so, I appreciate Science as it is progressing towards the Truth step-by-step.

      I, at this time, wish that the Science no on-wards think above the physical level so that it can progress more swiftly towards the Truth and not be enslave in one idea like 'God particle' ( as the religion is enslaved in just one idea of 'God').
      The Truth has a vast opportunity bring real freedom to the mankind – let us hope Science can do that.....!

      July 3, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • DFZ

      If the Higgs boson is ALL the LHC turns up I'll be disappointed.

      July 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • tim

      as technology improves, we may find that the god particle is made of even smaller parts. it is only our inability to get a clear picture of such small elements. keep your minds open.

      July 4, 2012 at 12:42 am |
    • HolisticDNA

      Higgs Boson / “God Particle” -2012 Science validates a 150+ year old discovery ……….Steve Meyer / New Thought Movement

      This definition of New Thought / The New Thought Movement represents an excellenet summary from Wikipedia, and I agree wtih 98% of it. The other 2% – I believe that sickness can start in the mind and/or the body; not just the mind, and that “God” is a religous manufactured term and description of what is actually Infinite Intelligence, and therefore should be removed from the definition….

      “New Thought promotes the ideas that “Infinite Intelligence” or “God” is ubiquitous, spirit is the totality of real things, true human selfhood is divine, divine thought is a force for good, sickness originates in the mind, and “right thinking” has a healing effect.[1][2]

      Although New Thought is neither monolithic nor doctrinaire, in general modern day adherents of New Thought believe that “God” or “Infinite Intelligence” is “supreme, universal, and everlasting”, that divinity dwells within each person, that all people are spiritual beings, that “the highest spiritual principle [is] loving one another unconditionally … and teaching and healing one another”, and that “our mental states are carried forward into manifestation and become our experience in daily living”.[1][2]

      The New Thought movement is a spiritually-focused or philosophical interpretation of New Thought beliefs. Started in the early 19th century, today the movement consists of a loosely allied group of religious denominations, secular membership organizations,[citation needed] authors, philosophers, and individuals who share a set of beliefs concerning metaphysics, positive thinking, the law of attraction, healing, life force, creative visualization, and personal power.[3] The three major religious denominations within the New Thought movement are Religious Science, Unity Church and the Church of Divine Science. There are many other smaller churches within the New Thought movement, as well as schools and umbrella organizations.”

      August 11, 2012 at 10:04 am |
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