March 15th, 2012
04:55 PM ET

'Red Deer Cave' people, possibly a new human species?

Newly identified partial skeletons of "mysterious humans" excavated at two caves in southwest China display an unique mix of primitive and modern anatomical features, scientists say.

"Their skulls are anatomically unique. They look very different to all modern humans, whether alive today or in Africa 150,000 years ago," said evolutionary biologist Darren Curnoe, the lead author of the study, from the University of New South Wales in Australia.

The fossils found at excavation sites in Longlin Cave, in Guangxi Province, and the Maludong Cave, in Yunnan Province, indicate that the stone-aged people had short, flat faces and lacked a modern chin. They had thick skull bones, a rounded brain case, prominent brow ridges and a moderate-size brain.

They were dubbed the "Red Deer Cave" people because scientists say these prehistoric people hunted extinct red deer and cooked them in the cave at Maludong, where four of the five partial skeletal fossils were found.

Whether the Red Deer Cave people are indeed a new species indicating a new evolutionary line or whether they are a very early population of modern humans remains a controversial topic of discussion among scientists.

The team of Australian and Chinese researchers remains cautiously optimistic when it comes to classifying what they have unearthed.

"The evidence is quite fairly balanced at the moment. It's weighted towards the idea that the Red Deer Cave people might represent a new population, possibly a new species," Curnoe said.

Details of the discovery are published in the scientific journal PLoS ONE.

Archeological evidence dates these prehistoric hunters and gatherers to 14,500 to 11,500 years ago, indicating that for a sliver of time in East Asia, the Red Deer Cave people may have shared the landscape with modern-looking people who displayed the beginnings of farming.

Despite Asia being the largest subcontinent, the fossil record for human evolution remains slim. The vast majority of prehistoric archeology has focused on Europe and Africa, scientists say.

"Understanding the fossil records of East Asia is the missing link to our overall understanding of human evolution," Curnoe said.

The Maludong site had actually been excavated the first time by the Chinese in 1989. At that time, several bags of fossils were found, but it was only in 2008 that the site was studied and the remains analyzed by Curnoe and his team of researchers.

The age of the cave sites was determined by collecting sediment samples and tested using radioactive carbon dating.

At the Longlin Cave, the remains of a lower jaw set in a bed of sediment were found by a geologist back in 1979 and rediscovered in a the basement laboratory of one of the Chinese researchers in 2009. The bones first had to be removed from the sediment rock. Then, using a CT Scan 3D, models of the skull were made, showing both the prominent primitive and modern features.

Due to the uncertainty surrounding the human fossil record, paleoanthropologists say, more conclusive DNA testing is required.

Initial DNA testing conducted on the fossils did not show evidence of human DNA, but Curnoe and his team will push forward.

"If we are successful in extracting DNA, it will give us a really accurate understanding of precisely who these people are and where they might fit in the human evolutionary tree," he said.

"We are trying to understand the common story. What unites us all? Where do we come from? In understanding our evolutionary past, this might help us understand where we are today and where we might be going," Curnoe added.

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  1. Joshua

    lol it's obama the monkey! monkey people rofl

    March 16, 2012 at 4:07 am |
  2. Joshua

    The artistic interpretation looks like any other hoodlum in the street – lol – it looks like obama the monkey ape man, rofl

    March 16, 2012 at 4:06 am |
  3. Joshua

    Doesn't the artistic interpretation look a little racist? I mean if you were to replace that image with michelle obama you could hardly tell any difference.

    March 16, 2012 at 3:42 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      i suspect this is just a fail troll trying to bait someone into a dumb argument.

      March 16, 2012 at 5:12 am |
      • FifthApe

        Very poor troll at that. Imagine, when you suck at being a troll....

        March 16, 2012 at 9:12 am |
      • Peaceful Hippie Chick

        @FunkyBooty... Aren't we all just trolls along the evolutionary path? Thousands of years from now... when our fossilized remains are dug up from under a long ago destroyed office building... some evolved being may just reconstruct one of us and proclaim us "Trollpeople" from the 21st century. They may even give us spiked up, rainbow colored hair... kalidescope eyes... and elf ears. But... regardless... the above "failed troll" still got you to answer... ;oP Peace and sparkling heart to you... and some glitter tossed in...

        March 16, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • Bible Clown©

      I kinda thought it was yo mama.

      March 16, 2012 at 10:14 am |
  4. XO

    The common story is already laid out in Genesis. Why strive so hard to create a new one that's far more fetched than the Biblical account.

    March 16, 2012 at 3:41 am |
    • Primewonk

      Because the Genesis stories are just that. Stories. Myths. Fairy-tales.

      As opposed to science. Fact. Evidence.

      March 16, 2012 at 8:28 am |
  5. Jim Stanek

    You know, the last thing this caveman said was: "It's the big one! I'm comin' Elizabeth, comin' to join ya!"

    March 16, 2012 at 3:38 am |
  6. crazycatman

    Evolution is false. The commenters on this thread prove that they haven't evolved since this guy was walking around.

    March 16, 2012 at 3:08 am |
    • Primewonk

      Then you should have no problem posting the citations to the peer-reviewed scientific reseach that falsified the theory of evolution.

      March 16, 2012 at 8:33 am |
  7. James

    This is the bill cosby family tree

    March 16, 2012 at 3:04 am |
  8. milman

    jeeee, this guy looks like someone we all know,

    March 16, 2012 at 2:43 am |
  9. checkyofacts

    This looks like the dad from "Good Times"!

    March 16, 2012 at 2:37 am |
  10. Face

    Being able to obtain DNA specimens from these early humanoids is exciting! What a rare opportunity for us to learn more about our relation to other humanoids.

    March 16, 2012 at 2:32 am |
  11. Navin Johnson

    Too stupid to understand science? That is why man invented religion.

    March 16, 2012 at 2:16 am |
    • Mark

      You're pathetic. These "scientists" have got you totally fooled. You're the one believing in a religion and you don't even know it. Evolutionists tell you all these wild tales and despite the fact that you don't understand it and are unable to tell fact from fiction they encourage you to have "faith" and pretend you do see the light. Then they give you permission to gloat and look down on everyone who doesn't "believe".
      Step outside your mental prison and look at these stories rationally for 2 seconds and you'll see they are all totally garbage. We're not talking about the laws of physics here, or advanced mathematics. This is a philosophy that appeals to many scientists and they push it on the world.
      Despite the pedestal you've been taught to put these evolutionary priests on you have to understand that scientists at least as easilly duped as the rest of the world. They consistently fall victim to fraudulent research and bogus discovery's. IN the past the "scientific method" always kept the church clean enough. But welcome to the wonderful world of "peer review" vetting where literally ANYTHING is possible and ANYTHING can be presented as truth no matter how unlikely and unprovable!

      March 16, 2012 at 8:27 am |
      • Primewonk

        Mark, just because you choose to be ignorant about science doesn't mean the rest of do. There are 400,000 professional scientists in the related fields. On average they have a dozen years of college education and training. Yet folks like you, with no education in the fields, claim they are wrong.

        I want you to do me a favor, google Dunning-Kruger effect. See if you can figure out why it applies to you.

        March 16, 2012 at 9:24 am |
  12. Mike

    uhhh... how did he shave off his mustache??? duh!!

    March 16, 2012 at 2:10 am |
  13. Mark

    Great job CNN. Love the artists renderring of this ape man you incuded. And as usual I'm sure the parts of the drawing htat actually make this creature look like a monkey/man just happen to be the parts left up to the artists imagination.

    Also love the way you print this load of crap as though it's fact and don't mention ANY conflicting scientific viewpoints other then to say it's "controversial".

    Hey my team of "Scientists" just dug up a rock from Pluto that has a giant peace sign scratched in to it. I'll send you over the full story so you can print it without doing any vetting whatsoever. You can trust me!
    IDIOTS!
    BTW thanks for talking to all those brilliant economists and grilling them on their never ending ability to give the economy a giant thumbs up for tomorrow. So glad we had that advanced knowledge in 2008. Also nice to see that everyone you talk to since 2008 has said recovery is just around the corner. Also thanks for being all over Bush and Cheney when they tried to invade Iraq for WMD's. Your ialways so keen on getting to the bottom of things.
    I'm being sarcastic obviously and pointing out that you absolutely suck as journalists and it's consistently for the same reason.
    Do you idiots even have an editor or any employee who is actually qualified to vet evolutionary claims? Or do you seriously just print whatever they tell you they've discovered? You do realize these guys jobs are based on grants and funding and such so it's in their best interests to feed you a load of sh|t?????????

    Smarten up!

    March 16, 2012 at 1:55 am |
    • Jim Stanek

      Thank you Mark. Brilliantly said. It appears to me that CNN photoshopped a picture of Redd Foxx to make him resemble this Red River Cave man.

      March 16, 2012 at 3:40 am |
    • Primewonk

      " Do you idiots even have an editor or any employee who is actually qualified to vet evolutionary claims?"

      The theory of evolution is the single most confirmed theory in all of science. The folks who study gravity wish they had 1/10th the amount of evidence for their theory s the folks who study evolution. 99.95% of the professional scientists in the relevant fields agree that the theory of evolution describes the diversification of life on earth. In 150+ years the theory of evolution has never been falsified. Not once.

      March 16, 2012 at 9:29 am |
  14. garwin1

    From the drawing, he appears to be a very well groomed caveman.

    March 16, 2012 at 1:36 am |
  15. Linda

    Go Obama! You must check out this link:
    http://www.defendrush.org
    You will not be disappointed unless you are a complete ignorant moron
    Enjoy! It has given me and my friends so much laughter! Ha!

    March 16, 2012 at 1:29 am |
  16. Peter T

    Curious–would these bones actually be "fossils" after just 11,500-14,500 years? Or were they just bones that were dug up?

    March 16, 2012 at 1:22 am |
  17. Mark

    Very interesting facial hair style you've got on him. So he trims his facial hair to look like monkey hair? What rock did you A-h0les find that evidence under?
    "remains a controversial topic of discussion among scientists"- Ya, because some think you're completely full of crap and completely making up your own fantasy "history of man" which you couldn't possibly ever be able to prove but is convenient when it comes time for grants and funding.
    And if you're going to print that this animal/man cooked and ate an extinct red dear please also list the evidence you have for saying that.
    Funny how the farther back in history you people go the more you're able to find out about a creatures personal habits.
    You guy's are like the TMZ of the science world. (not a compliment)

    March 16, 2012 at 1:20 am |
  18. Stephen

    God has truly revealed himself thru the the things in nature as the scripture states. The earth is at the perfect distance from the sun for a moderate climate. any closer and it would be too hot or farther to cold. The atmosphere has the gases such as oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen that make up the air we need to breath. If any of those concentrations were to change it could render us unable to survive. a solar day is about 24 hours. which gives us generally half day and half night excluding some parts of the earth like alaska, etc... and of course man needs sleep. also water is here on the planet which we all need to survive. Dna a complex genetic code in our blood stream, the blueprint for each of us. where there is a code there is a coder. God is that coder who wrote the genetic code. All who know the lord Jesus have the manifestation of the lord himself in our life. I have seen the lord reveal himself to me and my family many times in different ways. and of course Jesus stated unless we recieve the kingdom of heaven as a child we will by no means enter into it. Of course what characterizes a child nomallly is the child accepts the words of his parents as true.
    the issue is we have all broken the laws of God such as: we shall not bear false witness,(lie), we shall not dishonor our parents, we shall not covet. the judgement of GOd is on all of us. Jesus paid the price for your sins by offering his blood in your place. Jesus is the son of God who came to the earth to Die for our sins and redeem us back to Gods favor. this allows for you to escape the impending judgement of God in HEll and enter into heaven.
    Jesus is a real historical person as recorded in the bible, and also other writings such as Josephus the jewish historian, tacitus the roman historian and the jewish talmud. He was crucified, placed in the tomb, Three days later raised to life and then appeared to many.
    This is the issue. Life is a gift. GOd has called you from nothingness into his physical realm. we were created by God and for God. the lord is kind, gracious and just. But if we ignore the salvation the jesus has made available then we will experience Gods wrath. He cannot excuse sin but it must be punished. either you will pay for your sins or you will accept Gods payment for your sins thru Jesus. THe scripture states " the wages of sin is death, But the gift of God is Eternal life thru Jesus christ our lord. If you dont believe these things. Then pray. Ask Jesus to reveal himself to you in a way you will understand. and in his time. Many people bring up old testament ordinances that God gave to Moses such as not eating certain things such as shellfish or not shaving the side burns and many other things. . all these things were a forshadow of The perfect covenant of Jesus. when he died these things were no longer required accept obedience and submission ot JEsus Christ as lord.

    March 16, 2012 at 1:08 am |
  19. Pimpson

    Looks like my uncle Rick.

    March 16, 2012 at 12:58 am |
  20. lance corporal

    all these "fossils" where put here by the devil to fool and tempt you from the truth that we where thrown out of god's garden 5,000 years ago and he will soon come back to judge us....... are you ready?

    I know this because an evangelical preacher in SC told me this and I believe it
    I'm not a fool to believe centuries of science and peer reviewed careful hi tech study of physical evidence

    March 16, 2012 at 12:57 am |
  21. MiBigAl

    This is all well and good, but I think the real question that most of us need an answer to is "Who did he vote for in the Republican primaries"? Actually, he probably would vote Democratic once he figured out that very few of the religious right believe in Evolution which would mean that they just don't believe he ever existed. Even a caveman could do it.

    March 16, 2012 at 12:43 am |
  22. nykspree8

    new species? I see ghetto ass people who look exactly like this walking around everyday.

    March 16, 2012 at 12:38 am |
  23. scot pederson

    Such a convenient theory, but if evolution were true in the past then it should hold true in the present. But yet since the theory was developed there has not been 1 species that has "reached" its new "evolved", finished process. Who cares if it takes millions of years according to evolutionists. With millions of species there still should be hundreds or thousands of species every decade that finally leave their previous level of evolution and make the final leap to the next stage.

    It's such a leap of faith it is staggering that so many people fall for this. You repeat a lie enough times and people will believe it.

    March 16, 2012 at 12:35 am |
  24. Navin Johnson

    Don't you people know. The Earth is only 100 years old...

    March 16, 2012 at 12:33 am |
    • XO

      Actually, it's only 10 minutes old.

      March 16, 2012 at 3:44 am |
  25. Navin Johnson

    "prehistoric people hunted extinct red deer" Now why would people hunt extinct animals? Maybe they meant to say "now extinct"...

    March 16, 2012 at 12:32 am |
  26. AtheisHuman

    Hahahaha... you people are so stupid. Than you for the hours of reading entertainment.

    March 16, 2012 at 12:26 am |
  27. Howard Dean

    Science/Logic is sugoi!

    March 16, 2012 at 12:23 am |
  28. Johnny

    I have seen this man before!

    March 16, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • milman

      sure you have, he is on TV almost every day,

      March 16, 2012 at 2:47 am |
  29. jay zee

    that looks like Rush Limbaugh!

    March 16, 2012 at 12:07 am |
  30. Abrondon

    I'm sure the fossils had a hairy neck and back just like the artist's conception. It's amazing what conclusions they jump to based on bone fragments. When future anthropologists dig us up they'll probably declare each of us as a distinct species, lol.

    March 15, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
  31. chris

    they found him in southern china and they make him look white. gota love white scientist. every ape they find looks white and every god they create is white. look is been proven by DNA; evolution came out of africa. we are all blacks. you turn white because you migrated to northen countries where climates are cold. I'm tired of these people finding skulls in south america (trying to show the whites were in the new world first and proven to be fake three years after) and place around the world to show that the white men is the ultimate race. WHITE PEOPLE, YOU ARE BLACK TOO. ACCEPT IT! YOU CAME FROM EUROPE.

    March 15, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
    • chris

      if you look at all the the people in that souther belt, they are all dark skinned all the way to australia. there's no way that skull will loook like it does now. where's the oriental features?

      March 15, 2012 at 11:45 pm |
    • lance corporal

      actually both white and black people started out brown, and racism is wrong no matter who does it

      March 16, 2012 at 12:59 am |
  32. Brandon

    This is just the Chinese trying their hardest to discredit that Man origins come from Africa. They will not accept that Africa is the birthplace of mankind.

    March 15, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
  33. sonic10158

    the subject of the next Geico commercial!

    March 15, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
  34. Marvin

    Proof is used to convince people that something happened. It is not a prerequisite for something to happen.

    The only technology back then to show anything happen was writing. (talking about bible times). Let me ask you this, what would it take for you to believe, what "proof" would you require, based on the technology of the time, to show that certain things happened? So really, honestly do you think its realistic to be "able" to prove, to your satisfaction things happened, based on the technology back then?

    Both Religion and Science Community have made many mistakes in the past, both have made statements only later to be proven wrong. There are nut jobs, rude, obnoxious, elitist people on both sides.

    All I ask, please don't insult each other. Respect each others' beliefs. Agree to disagree.

    March 15, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Marvin

      happened*

      March 15, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
  35. bobcat2u

    Kinda looks like George W. with lambchop sideburns.

    March 15, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
  36. Fabio

    Bigfoot!

    March 15, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  37. Rich

    It does look like Redd Foxx!! And about half the nba/nfl players.

    March 15, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
  38. showmeyourgod

    Score one for science.

    March 15, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • sonic10158

      because religion is not anti-science (despite what it is known as in pop-culture), what didn't get the score?

      March 15, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
  39. RDS35

    On the seventh day god was resting, relaxing, just kicking it with a few angles, having a few to drink and enjoying the buds from the "tree of life" And god said "Yo, you angels, go get that box of reject parts and bury them in different places around earth" And God saw that it was good and he laughed his ass off thinking about how this would screw with the humans in a few thousand years

    March 15, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
  40. Tom

    How many tries would it take to go from an ape to a human? Seems like these "oddities" should be lying all over the place. Now from 30 partial bones (from another article) we have a missing link article again. These stories always put a smile on my face.

    March 15, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
  41. Ed

    Every time archeologists find a "New Species" of "Primitive Man" for the last few years he has what looks to be African feature, whether found in Europe, China or wherever. Am I to conclude that whites are further along in the evolutionary path?

    March 15, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
  42. Chris

    Certainly the researching scientists know more than I about whether the skulls of these remains are "anatomically unique", but I must say the photo above does not seem to show it. My initial impression and my impression after studying the photo is that I do indeed see these features in modern day persons. My question would be, what is the particular structure or feature that the researchers consider unique? As far as lacking a "modern chin", the chin shown in this photograph is familiar, in my opinion, and I believe I've seen similar bone structure in modern people. Again, I know less than they do and am basing my opinion on only my own observations.

    March 15, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
  43. Jerry

    "subcontinent"?!?

    Please hire some writers and editors with scientific backgrounds for doing scientific stories. Barring that, at least hire some who actually PASSED Basic Science!

    "subcontinent", indeed!

    March 15, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
  44. LookAndSEE

    Evolution is the Biggest HOAX today!

    March 15, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
  45. Loyal Northern Democrat

    Obama has released a statement that the remains were actually found in Hawaii.

    March 15, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
  46. johdoe

    Look like ancestors of Muslim people.

    March 15, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
    • Loyal Northern Democrat

      Muslums are not people. They are targets.

      March 15, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
  47. bl4ck0utsUn

    @ Colin, loved the stork analogy! @ Michael, go back to your cave, with your fairy tales!

    March 15, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
  48. Jeff

    Could this be the ancestor of Red Foxx?

    March 15, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
  49. Devin Munce

    This is such crap-liberal news media

    March 15, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
  50. newbie

    I'm sure the women were just as attractive. The humans must have interbred with them.

    March 15, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
  51. oogly

    Poor thing was probably killed by one of his own.... monkey on monkey violence is so shameful.

    March 15, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • newbie

      Not a monkey, an ape, just like you!

      March 15, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
  52. guest

    With a longer beard, he would look like a Taliban!

    March 15, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
  53. Monkeyman

    ***sigh*** we're all doomed, but hey, at least we're all segregated still.....***sigh one more time***

    March 15, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
  54. blessedgeek

    Reminds me of Ben Bernanke.

    March 15, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • newbie

      Figures lie and liars figure?

      March 15, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
  55. Monkeyman

    ***sigh*** mankind is doomed by people's lack of judgement along with being separated.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
  56. newbie

    They are ready to clone a woolly mammoth, why not a woolly human?

    March 15, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
  57. newbie

    I wonder if they could clone the DNA of the human species, and implant it in th ehuman egg with all the chromosomes removed. Let's bring these species back to life!

    March 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
  58. Papo

    Please be aware the science only comes into conflict with *some* religious beliefs and a few concepts of the unlimited definitions of what "God" is or could be, most prominently Abrahamic Faiths. Science is the "how", but not necessarily the "why". Atheists that refute this are as ignorant as the closed-minded Bible-thumpers they love to hate. Never deny with certainty that which cannot be proven or disproven, or your "fact" becomes little more than faith.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • newbie

      Why what? All one can do is speculate. No religion is smarter about this than any 5th grader.

      March 15, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • brobin

      As an atheist, I don't have to prove anything. I am not the one making up fairy tales that require proof. I don't believe in any of the thousands of religious myths and you don't believe in most of them either. You are the one making extraordinary claims that your myth is the truth.. so prove it or admit that your particular myth has no more truth to it then any other. In fact, your Bible contains clear inaccuracies that conflict with the view that it is the work of an all knowing God. It appears to be exactly what it is, the word of iron age men, with the limited understanding of iron age men, and the morals and ethics of misogynous men.

      March 15, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • Jerry

      "I contend we are both atheists, I just believe
      in one fewer god than you do. When you
      understand why you dismiss all the other
      possible gods, you will understand why I
      dismiss yours."

      - Stephen F. Roberts -

      March 15, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
  59. John

    "In understanding our evolutionary past, this might help us understand where we are today and where we might be going," Curnoe added. Well, half right, Doc. But we're not going back there, so where we're going is still a mystery.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
  60. Ja-Coffalotte

    Looks like Fred down the block

    March 15, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
  61. Dorkus

    I think it's the missing link between apes and liberals, only in liberals the brain didn't grow like the ape's did.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
  62. select20

    Lol, also, with just a skull, how did they determine how hairy this person or thing was supposed to be? What a joke.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Ja-Coffalotte

      It is meant to be a joke for the click happy idiots known as youths

      March 15, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
  63. Norman

    Any chance these bones were found at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?????

    March 15, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
  64. justme

    Piltdown man returns!

    March 15, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
  65. select20

    I hate how science finds a skull, (or bone) and automatically makes the determination that it's a "New Species of Human". I've seen ton's of people that resemble that picture. I've seen so many crazy things come from Evolutionists in the past 10 years its rediculous. I couldn't whole-heartedly believe it if I wanted to. You know what puts my mind to rest? Genesis 1, God created it all in 6 days and rested on the 7th. There... done... I don't have to think about it anymore. So much easier and peaceful trusting in what the Bible says.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • Ralf The Dog.

      Who wants easy or peaceful. That sounds boring and stupid. I much prefer the excitement and challenge of finding the truth.

      March 15, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
      • select20

        Challenge in finding the truth? How do you know the truth when you see it?

        March 15, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
      • Ralf The Dog.

        You start by creating a theory. Use that theory to make a prediction that would be true, if your theory is correct, but not true if it is not. If your prediction is wrong, you throw out your theory. If it is correct, you find another way to test it. The more tests you pass, the closer you get to truth.

        March 15, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Red Mike

      for some reason people overlook the fact that it says IN THE ARTICLE they found bones. no skin. no eyeballs. no hair. bones. period. they took remains (aka pieces) of a lower jawbone, extrapolated an entire skull off it, wrapped it in skin, and took liberties with everything else including the nose, eyes, ears, and hair... remember back in the day when they did that with dinosaurs? and here we are a few decades down the road and we're finally realizing some of these guys were nothing like the "artists' renderings" we all believed years ago. pathetic.

      March 15, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
      • select20

        Yeah I know, gets on my nerves how they twist things around to try and make their "Discoveries" more valid.

        March 15, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
      • Ralf The Dog.

        That is what science is all about. You make a theory, you find a way to test that theory. If your theory passes the test, you find a new way to test it. If it does not, you MUST throw out that theory.

        March 15, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
      • Ralf The Dog.

        There are some things we know, other things we just guess. We do not know the skin color or the color of the eyes. We can make a good guess at hair, however, we can't prove it. What we can do, is look at millions of skulls from many different animals, learn how different parts interact. What does a jawbone like this say about the base of the skull? what does the slope of the forehead say about placement of the eyes. For a skull of this size, what is the average amount of flesh below the skin and above the bones for primates of this size? You would be surprised about how much you can learn from a bone, and how much you can verify or disprove by finding other bones from the same site later. "If this is true, the 'bla bla bla' will look like this." Later, they find the 'bla bla bla' and it does or does not look like that.

        March 15, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
      • Red Mike

        no. science is about searching for truth. not trying to do the absurd. and by "the absurd," I mean: trying to reconstruct a whole skull from eroded, fossilized bone fragments from millenia ago... it's difficult to do even with fairly fresh bones... let alone bones with most of the attachment points worn away...and most of the bone missing... you really think their results are accurate? their results reflect what they want them to reflect.

        real science is about proof and rationale, not artists' renderings and people making wild extrapolations just to make the news. sometimes i wish shows like csi would go off the air so folks would stop mistaking pseudo-science for science...

        March 15, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • brobin

      They didn't just find some bones and make this claim. This is the result of several years of studies on a collection of bones. The picture is an artists rendering, not the output of the scientists. There is an imagine floating around of the actual reconstructed skull if you want to educate yourself.

      Also, if you knew anything about this field, you would know that they have a very detailed understanding of differences in bones and are quite capable of identifying differences within a species. They are finding unique differences that do not exist in modern day humans.

      March 15, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
  66. Jim

    Kinda looks like a republican. LOL

    March 15, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
  67. Red Mike

    "Initial DNA testing conducted on the fossils did not show evidence of human DNA, but Curnoe and his team will push forward."

    keep 'testing' until you make that square peg fit that round hole!!! the things people will eat out of your hand if you've got a lab coat on... o brother...

    March 15, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
  68. ThsIsNotReal22

    Evolution is a lie

    March 15, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  69. Anunnaki

    Looks like they were casualties of the Great Deluge.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
  70. Almighty

    More Science lies.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • hagmarths

      Haha – good sarcasm. Unfortunately, there are very ignorant people who actually believe that, somehow, finding fossils of yet another humanoid species along the winding trail of our evolution, is a lie. Someone might take you seriously.

      March 15, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
  71. WritinStone

    Godfrey – I will pray for you. You are an idoloter who has taken to worshipping a false god – a book – rather than seek the spiritual wisdom within that Christ revealed to be in each of us. His wisdom is not opposed to evolution. Repent of your sins, my son. Repent.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
  72. mofo

    Russel Brand?

    March 15, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
  73. Steve

    This is the same guy that works at the 7-11 either that or it is al sharpton

    March 15, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
  74. CG

    Seriously, does everything have to be politicized these days? I swear, they could post an article with a basic explanation on what causes the sky to be blue, and somehow all the liberals & conservatives here would find a way to use it as an excuse to bash each other.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • WritinStone

      With due respect, when people refute the very, very well established science of evolution because it doesn't fit their belief, they are positioning themselves to be taken down a few notches of arrogance and self-centeredness.

      March 15, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
  75. billy jester

    Looks like he might be related to the president of iran, but I bet he smells a lot better.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
  76. Mordac

    Rick Santorum, is that you?

    March 15, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
  77. Rim

    Can CNN remove the Living/Eatocracy or CNN games from the front page and have a science section made readily available?
    We live in a day and age where people can instantly get information to help further progress mankind in an intelligent way and yet because the way CNN's page is set up people are more likely to know the top 10 places to buy a cupcake instead of knowing the overwhelming facts surrounding evolution.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • WritinStone

      If the top 10 places to buy cupcakes were placed next to the top 10 established facts about evolution, I think the cupcakes would get a lot more clicks. Unfortunately, the market is overwhelmed by people who do not think so they create demand for supply of trash rather than worthwhile knowledge.

      March 15, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
  78. Jon's Uncle

    ISN'T THAT THE JUNKYARD DOG WHO USED TO WRESTLE IN MID SOUTH CHAMPIONSHIP WRESTLING?
    do do do do do another one bites the dust do do do do do another one bites the dust

    March 15, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
  79. Knotty Meee

    what's his vertical leaping ability and agility rating.....

    March 15, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
  80. ArranWebb

    That is a really lovely artists drawing. But it is not science. This is fantasy meets Darwinian aspirations.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
  81. john

    your hangovers gonna sck.. its only thursday man

    March 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
  82. Dave

    Ahemm... No pictures of said skull?.... = not real. Put up or go away.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
  83. md

    I always had my doubts about us being compared to monkeys. Now I have absolutely no doubt anymore that in today's world the direction we have been going, we truly are nothing but bunch of stupid and wild animals who have been let out
    of the zoo. We are being fed with junks like this articles and the liberal ideas. Just hopeless case.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
  84. Daleri

    It seems more like they were monkeys that humans also ate along with the red deer.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
  85. john

    we have more proof that we came from aliens than we do about evolution.. wheres all those articles? ha ha..

    March 15, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Zeta Reticulan

      We're on Ancient Aliens dude!

      March 15, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
  86. mit

    It looks like Obama

    March 15, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
  87. Alfred the Great

    We don't need any new Neanderthals, the Republican part is full of them.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
  88. tarheel

    Kind of looks like President Obama's Dad!

    March 15, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
  89. Knuckle dragger

    If God created Adam and represented him to you how old would you say he was. You may say 18 years or maybe 20 years but you would be wrong he would only be 1 second old. What you see is not necessarily what you get. Point two once you find the human intermediates Darwin claimed to exist what are the intermediates for mosquitoes and snails and the thousands and millions of other species on this planet. So many lies but so little time.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
  90. Two-Cents

    I very much enjoyed reading everyone's comments; some funny, some in poor taste, but for the most part, I sense they were honest remarks. I encourage everyone here to continue their study of the origin of man by following a specialist on this subject – Dr. Chuck Missler. Visit http://www.khouse.org It just may shake your 'world view' – whether you're a creationist or evolutionist. If you google the word 'Giants' or 'Nephilim', you will step into a whole new paradigm of thought based on: hundreds of other people's bona-fide research and their in-depth understanding and study of major religions and cultures around the globe... which by the way all seem to have historic roots in 'giant' human beings existing thousands of years ago. If one is familiar with the basics of Greek Mythology, the dots are eerily connected.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • Knotty Meee

      hey, nobody wants your two cents....hahahahahahahahahahahahah
      get it?????

      March 15, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
  91. ron

    this dont make no sense at all how does this happen when cavemen were here for millions of years and there sayin that this guy lived 10000 years ago.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
  92. jon

    So that's where my uncle went. He has been missing for years. At least they found him.

    March 15, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Jon's Uncle

      I have always despised you and your mother. That's why I was hiding in plain sight until cnn found me. Hell, little nephew, i even played 3 seasons of pro basketball

      March 15, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
  93. josetoyou

    This looks just like our incompetent, arrogant, ignorant, muslim leader(less) "little-zero".

    March 15, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
  94. VinceRN

    This is not the first time a claim of a new human species has come out of China, and this is likely to have as much success as the other times.

    March 15, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
  95. dan

    so why does he have to be black?

    March 15, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
  96. A

    Thank you for this science article. It's a shame CNN removed their dedicated science section. I'm looking forward to hearing the results of further analysis on these fossils. Human evolution is fascinating.

    March 15, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
  97. Fluttershy

    Liar LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR !!!!!! THis is not TRUE!!!! Because GOD made HUMANS all equal and AT ONCE! This thing exists only because SATAN but it in the ground to fool people to fall from CHRIST JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    March 15, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
  98. ralph

    I get a kick out of how the so-called experts seem to "know" skin color and hair placement. There's so much we don't know about primitive humans. I'm not prepared to draw conclusions based on a relative few skeletal remains. What if what's been found were just unattractive people back then? I can see it now – Ugly Joe's best friend approaches him in heaven and says, "Can you believe they're basing what everybody looked like on your skeleton?"

    March 15, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
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