Planets, planets, planets!
By Elizabeth Landau, CNN
We still don't know if Earth, as a planet that currently harbors life, is alone in the universe. But scientists are actively searching for clues about other potential habitable worlds outside our solar system.
Astronomers are presenting their latest findings at the American Astronomical Society annual conference in Long Beach, California, this week. The word on the cosmic street is that Earth-sized planets are relatively common and that hundreds of new planet candidates have been identified.
"We have begun to truly map the planets in our galaxy akin to the way that early explorers mapped the Earth," said Sara Seager, professor of planetary science and physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who works with data from the NASA Kepler mission, which aims to identify planets outside of Earth's solar system.
Scientists from the University of California, Berkeley and the University of Hawaii at Manoa have estimated that 17% of stars that are like our sun host planets with a diameter of one to two times that of Earth, which orbit close to these stars.
This is based on data from NASA's Kepler mission, which can only detect planets that have a much smaller orbital radius (about 25%) than Earth's. That means that 17% of sun-like stars in the galaxy would have a planet about the size of Earth, or slightly bigger, within the orbit of Mercury.
If we're talking about planets about the size of Earth or a little bigger - that are within Earth-like orbits - that could apply to as many as 50% of all stars in the galaxy, but that doesn't mean these planets could host life.
A planet with a diameter of two to three times that of Earth would generally resemble Uranus and Neptune, according to the scientists. These planets would have a rocky core, hydrogen and helium gases and maybe even water. Near to a star, a rocky planet could have oceans with depths of hundreds of miles.
The Kepler telescope takes repeated images of the constellation Cygnus - specifically, of 150,000 stars. Computer software analyzes those images by looking for dimming of the stars, which might indicate that a planet is passing in front of it during orbit. At least three transits must be observed to be considered the signal of a planet candidate.
"Based on the new Kepler results, it's just breathtaking to realize that some of our very nearest neighboring stars must have Earth-size planets," Seager said.
It is easier for Kepler to detect big planets because these planets make the star dim more than small planets during transit. For example, a Jupiter-sized planet makes a star dim by one part in 100, while a planet the size of Earth would only dim a star by one part in 10,000. Given these limitations, researchers estimate that Kepler misses about one in four Earth-sized planets.
And there's more news from Kepler this week: The mission has discovered 461 candidate planets. That means that they still need to be confirmed as planets, but there's a whole lot of them. In terms of potential targets for extraterrestrial life, four of these are less than twice the size of Earth and have orbits in the "habitable zone."
That's the term astronomers use to talk about the range of distance from a star in which liquid water could exist on a planet's surface.
The 461 planets come from observations that took place from May 2009 to March 2011. Researchers found an uptick in the number of smaller planet candidates and the stars that have more than one potential planet orbiting them.
Kepler's database of potential planets has increased 20% since February 2012, with a total of 2,740 planet candidates orbiting 2,036 stars.
Scientists must perform additional analyses to confirm that a planet exists. So far, from the Kepler data, there have been 105 planets confirmed.
It appears 43% of the potential planets identified by Kepler have neighbor planets, meaning many of them exist in multi-planet solar systems.
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We should put all this money into better radar and a rail gun, then we could just shoot one of the aliens flying over Los Alamos down for first contact.
It figures... Why should our planet be special?
It is only question of time before life on an other planet is confirmed.
Life on Earth, rose from the oceans.
Perhaps, a balloon creature floating inside a Gas Giant ?
I estimate that there are 1.342987 trillion earth-like planets in the universe. 72.487% will be reachable from earth within 2.1356 x 10 cubed billion years. Put it in the history books and let's see how long it is till someone tops this estimate.
yea right agreed!
Observing Proxima Centauri
Large radio telescope, synthesized from satellites orbiting the same distance as Pluto
Operating at 1.5 GHZ (0.2 meters) - Theoretical resolution ~ 816 meters
distance to Pluto 6e12 meters - distance to Proxima Centauri 4.24*9.46e15
1.22*(0.2)/(12*10^12) = x/(4.24*9.46*10^15) - x=815.6
This will be awesome to colonize on other planets! We would have such good technology! Like in Halo! Lol i am a huge Halo fan.
If we start soon, in the next Interglacial , 90,000 years from now,
Humans might live on a Alpha Centauri system planet.
Average speed needed 300000*(4.24/90000) =14.1 kilometers/second.
At the rate of population growth, extraction of resources, toxification of the oceans, depletion of the ozone, etc. all because of capitalism and consumer object fetishism we're lucky if we have 50 years.
Let’s say we found 100 of them just like earth with 75 degree F tempature and all , what you do next you can't go there in your life time
Actually, the idea is to find earth-like planets within 10-20 light years away from earth, with our current technology we're able to match at least 1/4 the speed of light so a planet 10 light years away would take a 40 year trip, if you're 30 today, you'll be 70 by the time you arrive, quite possible. Cryosleep is actually a viable option too in the future and it's becoming more of a science fact than science fiction.I believe it will be possible some day, hopefully within the next 30-50 years.
Just ONE warp flight and the Vulcans will make first contact!
We can't get remotely close to the speed of light.
http://www.feelguide.com/2010/09/30/mit-research-indicates-we-will-soon-travel-14-speed-of-light-by-using-ships-made-of-metamaterials-and-general-relativity/
70 by the time it arrives, dead by the time the first photo gets back.
No doubt there are planty of earth like planets and we will bag some of them in 2013 but what you can do as you can't reach there in your life time , infact in millions of life time ...
E-T will be phoning home pretty soon
Waving a flag for PLUTO!! Let's restore to planetary status
Let's travel. 🙂
I just think we should stop looking for other life out there. I highly doubt they will run up to us and shake our hand. We may be a threat which needs eliminated.
It would not be necessary to find intelligent extraterrestrial life; a simple organism like bacteria would do just fine. That alone would be the greatest discovery since, who knows when. Imagine what such findings would do for science, religion, politics, etc.
It seems that it might be pretentious to believe that "Earth, as a planet that currently harbours life, is alone in the Universe." On the other hand, ever since the Big Bang, life must have started somewhere first, or at least at several places at the same time, more or less.
We have absolutely NO data on life anywhere other than here – so its all guesses. Why is it pretentious to say that Earth is the only place to harbor (advanced, human) life?
not pretentious....conceited is the correct word
This makes me wonder about parrelel (sp) universe or multiuniverses. Did you read the Science Times (New York Times) a few weeks ago? There's an article you may be interested in re multiverses.
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Obama has declared a new tax on them.
I call dibs on any planet named Babeoria or Amazonia!
It's quite amazing that after all these years of blatant fakery that NASA et al. is still able to con most people with their astro-evolutionary PR such as this. It's obvious they faked the lunar landings (inside the three-foil-thick LEM) and no doubt have been staging the rest of 'human spaceflight' as none of it is possible due to atmospheric heat generated at hypersonic reentry being '10 times hotter than the sun', i.e. a meteor. Knowing this, NASA and the CCCP were both formed, via the same NAZI scientists, to con the entire world with the alleged and obviously staged 'space race' (Yuri Gagarin 'bailing' from his Vostok at hypersonic is comical at best, as well as Glenn's 'reentry' stunt following the monkeys).
As a result of this 50-year strategically planned fraud, we know have the International Fake Station (orbital satellite) flying above, yet thank goodness the actors are 'grounded' inside the hangar in Baikonur. And maybe, just maybe one day with their fakery NASA will be able to 'prove' evolution and that we all came from monkeys as Apollo 17 astro-actor Dr. Harrison Schmitt thinks. Wake up folks and smell the roses of reality – NASA, the grandest con in human history....
http://www.fountainsofthegreatdeep.com/IFS.htm
Haven't laughed this hard in a long time – come out of your bunker dooms day prepper !!
Did I say anything about a 'dooms day'?
It's time to send this idiot into space and leave him there.
Please do, yet since I have stood on the very spot NASA faked parts of Apollo, then we can save the dollars for additional fake pictures of 'exploding stars' to keep the astro-evolutinists entertained.....
Thanks, I needed a laugh 🙂
Your welcome, and laugh while you can my friend.
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yea right
How utterly stupid.
Please reply with intelligent, scientific comments, otherwise you indeed reveal yourself as being stupid.
Only religious people and anti-evolution people make these types of comments.
Religion, just like evolution, is fraudulent. I believe only in truth.
If the ISS is the IFS, then what's that big hunk of junk that I can see with my telescope on clear summer nights?
You have very poor reading skills. Reread my post and it answers your silly question.
You're totally right. . . My cell phone uses semaphore instead of a satellite signal.
Satellites are real, so what's your point?
LOL... I pray you have tongue firmly inserted in cheek sir
Pray hard.
Damn, you truly rank among the top ten idiots I have ever met and I have met some seriously demented individuals. I suppose you also think that our satellites are not in space.
Ruben, obviously you're no physicists, hence you'd better just go back to your cartoons and remain in dupedom. Reality is too much for you to handle.
guys guys...dont take "Buck" seriously.
Nay, take 'seriously' NASA's drops from C130's.....
Interesting point of view. I have never thought of that. This is the kind of critical thinking that we need. It triggered my interest to take a deeper look at the space program. Thank you for your post.
Why you're very welcome there Mr. Gary....
better be careful and not fall off the edge of the earth ......being its flat and all
You wish I think the world is flat. Tiz round, like your head.....
I hope you don't honestly believe what you have said. But for anyone who doe believe in the apollo hoax. We can line up a laser with a reflector on the moon, shoot the laser to the moon, and time how long it takes to return. We can then work backwards to find the distance the laser traveled. This is empirical evidence that there are man-made objects on the moon. If you have the equipment, you can do the experiment yourself.
Austin, NASA has been bouncing signals off the moon prior to Apollo. Do your homework. Also, you gotta love how NASA has to 'prove' they landed on the moon inside their 'three-foil-thick' tin-can literally 'held together with staples and Scotch tape' with their pics.... Hmm, NASA 'proves' NASA claims.... Gotta love it....
Spent four years building and testing Apollo hardware in Downey and at the Cape. Believe me you stone age idiot "twernt" no fake!
Mr. Buck, I'm all about challenging theories and claims, but this article is about finding potential earth-like planets in our galaxy for the purpose of some day having alternate destination where to look for a new home when earth drifts away from the habitable zone (millions of years from now, but still).
Then you go on bashing on NASA (seems to me you have a personal vendetta against this agency/organization) alluding to the claims that the Apollo missions and moon landing are all fake. Well, let's assume for a moment YOU are RIGHT, now let's apply logic here:
1. NASA is all a fake and their claims are false.
My response: Who cares? I mean specially you, if you know for a fact all the claims from NASA are false why do you persist in following their research? To tell people the truth? Who are you tell people to wake up? I mean NASA has a large array of scientiests, engineers, technicians, etc. and they DO research for better understanding of the cosmos for all humanity, and you are who again to claim this agency just dedicate their lives to misinform the public? Does that really make sense to anyone?
2. How about privatized companies that have made contact with the ISS, are they fake too?
My response: How far does your obsession goes? Are companies like Space X also involved with deceiving the world as well? Isn't that a bit too paranoid? Do you have a problem trusting anyone? Do you feel goverments are out to get you and lie to you about everything? Get off your self-important cloud! Be realistic with your claims, give it a little more thought.
3. It is all staged, it is all a strategically planned fraud.
My response: Ok Mr. Know-it-all, so how about you fund a multi-billion dollar/euro company/agency/organization and give us the truth since you seem know more than NASA. Most of us are not that naive to believe in claims like Nibiru (which obviously didn't happen) I can accept if you try to challenge claims of that nature, but really to diss on NASA . . . REALLY? now that is really comical my friend.
Ok buck. NASA is fake, but India has sent Chandrayaan to the moon and discovered water and in fact the NASA probe that went with it was sent crashing to create a mild explosion near the southern hemisphere to take out the outer layers of the soil and study water traces underneath. This mild explosion could be seen with amateur telescopes from earth. Now you can say the telescopes are fake too. You can also spot the ISS on certain days by going to their site. Usually during dawn and dusk. Maybe your eyes n brains are fake too and you reside in the matrix in galaxy NGC 3233, star 343, planet 5 and you are an illusion existing on earth posting on cnn.
Don't you think the astronauts could've left a strobe light or something up there for us doubters. (and don't try to hold out funny photoshopped pictures as examples)
Well gravity would have to play some cause. if you have too much gravitational force against a star providing heat or light like the sun. it will determine what kind of path the planet would travel around the central star. it can also depend on the density of the core too. the planet could be big with a less dense core creating a smaller gravitational pull and wind up like jupiter in a spot outside of the habital zone. not to mention the makeup of the planetary materials... ex.. gases, solids, or liquids.
Of the billions of solar systems in just our galaxy there must be thousands of planets in their stars' "habitable" zone (temperature wise, atmospheric wise, and gravity wise) to support a form of carbon-based life as we know it. Enough time has passed for those life forms to have evolved to intelligent beings and to either destroy themselves, die out from natural catastrophes, or even leave their doomed planets and colonize other star systems. The distances involved for communication with these civilizations are just too great for us, with our present technology, to allow direct communication in a normal earth lifetime. So, for the present it is just a matter of faith that we are not the only intelligent beings in this galaxy. The odds favor that we are not alone. We are in the infancy of a most exciting time of finding and identifying these "earth-like" planets and I suspect that within the next 200 years we will be talking to our "neighbors".
We're not the only intelligent beings on this planet, let alone the galaxy. Just because dolphins or whales or chimps or dogs or ants for that matter haven't built spaceships doesn't make them a species that lacks intelligence.
I guess you didn't watch the Republican primaries? Who says "we" are intelligent life?
I don't think we will find any Republicans on these other planets
The Earth is extremely unique and I doubt humans will ever find another similar planet. Instead of trying to find similar Earthlike planets we would be better off building large scale super structures similar to the vessel in Arthur C. Clarke's "Rendezvous With Rama", or developing underground cities on Mars since there are a lot fewer quakes than what the Earth or the Moon experiences. Humanity needs to spread out and soon.
While I like the concept of a human martian colony, I'm not yet convinced that it would be more beneficial than an underground moon colony. Let alone more beneficial for earth. A Mars colony stands a better chance of being self-sufficient (out of not much more than necessity) but the Moon colony would be much easier to re-supply and to communicate with.
Even if we found another Earth-like planet, it would probably be at the very least, several light years away. So for the foreseeable future, space habitats would be better if you're talking about an alternative to living on Earth. But that's not the main reason for the search. The search for Earth-like planets is to answer the age-old question, "are we alone". Are we? I doubt it.
In complete agreement. We should dust off the old prints from '69 and figure how to get someone to the moon for just a few hundred billion.
cosmic radiation & the effect of no gravity on the human body are still major hurdles to get over before any generation-type ships could be employed.... radiation being the bigger problem.
Humanity needs to adopt free birth control and soon.
Passport read?
"A planet with a diameter of two to three times that of Earth would generally resemble Ur anus?"
Yours, not mine. 🙂
There is nothing more arrogant than the belief that there is no other life in the universe.
The same people that don't believe in God, believe that we are not alone in the Universe (i.e other human-like lifeforms). The likelyhood of either is the same.
Or not. I'd say the odds are pretty good for E.T. There are somewhere between 100 billion and 200 billion stars in our galaxy. Scientist believe there are 100 – 200 billion galaxies. So I seriously doubt that the Earth is unique. On the other hand, what are the chances of an invisible, supernatural being in the sky that magically poofed the Universe into existence? And for that matter, must have poofed himself into existence as well.
... Except for the statement you just made.
While I do believe there is a good chance of there being other life out there (probably moreso to do with the fact I WANT there to be), I would say that your statement in and of itself is the pinnacle of arrogance. You are purporting a fact as truth without any concrete evidence (Religions do it alot). Bayesian logic would actually say it is not probable for there to be life out there because we don't have any actual EVIDENCE and the PRIOR PROBABILITY is very low (again due to lack of evidence). Of course if you don't accept Bayes' way of logic that is a different story 🙂
Again, I tend to want to agree that there is MOST LIKELY life out there, but most forms of logic would tell you otherwise. Bottom line, you are presenting a statement that is hypocritical. Just be comfortable in the fact that we just don't know 🙂 Real comforting, huh? haha
Or, you could argue that we DO have evidence that at least one planet has life – Earth. And it orbits a yellow dwarf star (VERY common in the Universe) and it's made of elements that are readily available almost anywhere in the Universe.
evidence of life on planets..... 1
evidence of a supreme being.... 0
I think 1 is bigger than 0
Josef, fair argument. I still have no CERTAINTY of life elsewhere, but of course there is some chance. I hope we find it soon.
Joel I am not arguing for a supreme being, merely drawing the comparison that he was doing the same thing most religions do. I think "being" is a misnomer here. Of course it can't be a being, but I still hold on hope for some supreme power/energy. Admittedly that is more based on feeling than fact.
I was just trying to say his initial argument was pretty arrogant.
Scientists are being a bit myopic in looking for new "Earth's". The Earth has a twin planet named Venus. I'm not talking about the location of Venus – but I'm looking at its atmosphere which is 100x as thick as the Earth's. Which is more common in the Universe, a thick atmosphere like Venus or a extremely thin (in comparison) atmosphere like Earth's?
I believe the answer is more like Venus. So even if we find an identical Earth (size-wise), we could not live there because of the crushing atmosphere. There are many more aspects of Earth that are unique – probably unique enough so that human life is only possible here. Here's the whole theory; http://rampsontheory.blogspot.com
trillions of stars, trillions of planets, yet we are alone. You're odds of being right are 1 in one trillion, buddy
1 in a TreDecillion (10**42) more like.
The earth too experienced runaway greenhouse effects and a much thicker atmosphere in its prehistoric past. Iron in the ocean absorbed the extra C02 and deposited it on the ocean floor as rust. I mention this because the likelihood of finding an Earth-like (circa 2013) planet depends as much on WHEN you look as where you look.
or the blast wave from the supernova 4.5 Gya stripped the atmosphere pretty good.
Odd that the Earth's atmosphere is about 1/100th of the density of Venus' and Mars' atmosphere is about 1/100th the density of Earth's. So that would indicate to me that the thickness of a rocky planet's atmosphere would be in some proportion to it's proximity to the parent star.
Mars – maximum surface pressure is only 0.6% of that of the Earth (101.3 kPa). So its more like 1/1000 of Earth and not 1/100. I'm not sure you can draw any conclusions about atmosphere density and distance from star.
I I agree...humans can't even exist in most places on our own earth unassisted by elaborate equipment. Whether it be 6 miles underground where gravity would crush us if the heat didn't melt us, or 3 miles up a mountain where our bodies stop functioning properly due to lack of air pressure let alone the lack of oxygen concentration to breath properly. Talk about a Goldilocks situation, even among 100 billion potential planets considered in the habitable zone, would any of them be so precisely like Earth to really allow us to walk around without extremely complex life support equipment? I think we need to focus on making sure our own planet can sustain us, and that we can live a sustainable lifestyle right where we are.
BubbaCo....why blame our planetary mess on God?
They're all filled up with Republitards and libtards, so we have to make do here.
I don't think the OP has an understanding of how this works. The planet doesn't have to be the size of our planet to hold life, it could be 100 times larger or smaller and still hold life. The only thing that matters is whether life, whatever that alien life may be, which may be far different from ours, can survive at the distance the planet is orbiting it's star and has surface condition's that are survivable to whatever life it may hold. Even according to our very limited knowledge based only on our planets lifeforms we've discovered that microorganisms and other animals can survive a staggering number of environments some that even us humans cannot survive without protective and assistive gear. Give it another 50-100 years, I'm confident we will have at least discovered micro-organisms elsewhere with probes/drones/rovers if we haven't already made contact with other sentient beings directly. I'm more inclined to believe in life on other planets in our multi-verse than I am any gods at least.
It's called gravity. If the planet is too big the gravity will be too great for life to form. If its to small, it will not have enough gravity to hold to its atmosphere, and you will have mars.
Actually Mars lost it's atmosphere because it's core cooled down. This weakened it's magnetic field and started to cook away the atmosphere with radiation. You should probably have some remote clue about the subject before you start correcting people.
Also high gravity doesn't preclude life whatsoever. Again you are severely misinformed.
But at what point is gravity too much for life to form? At what point is the atmosphere too thin to support life? These are questions we don't have answers to yet. The only reason we get excited about an Earth sized planet is because it resembles the only current example of a planet with life, Earth. However, that does not mean that life is necessarily impossible on a much larger or smaller planet.
You Sir, don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Using Mars as saying how it looks, not what happen to it. And your misinformed if you do not think gravity has anything to do with life forming. http://www.dsls.usra.edu/biologycourse/workbook/Unit7-1.2%20Suppl.pdf
wouldn't a less dense planet allow for a larger diameter and similar gravity ?
Exactly. Mars lost its atmosphere because it didn't have the gravity to hold it. So that begs the question of where did Mars get its atmosphere (and water) in the first place? The answer is at http://rampsontheory.blogspot.com
http://www.dsls.usra.edu/biologycourse/workbook/Unit7-1.2%20Suppl.pdf
Agreed. And as for strong gravity, it wouldn't be a problem for smaller, insect-like organisms or even bacteria.
But what conditions are necessary for live to BEGIN? When life began on Earth, the Earth was MUCH different than it is now. It probably had an atmosphere similar in composition to Venus and Mars (mostly nitrogen) although with a different density, it was probably a lot hotter, the oceans were more acidic, etc. So conditions that we know today are not necessarily the conditions required for life to START.
There are millions of inhabited planets.
http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=14
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I'm sure you're kidding but....if it has God in it you can file it under fantasy, not sci-fi.
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Eliminate church tax exempt status for one year(71Billion) and we fund NASA for 4 years(17.7Billion).
Also to someone else's point. Planet orbits aren't dependent on the plane of the galaxy. Some are in line, some aren't :]
While I understand the idea, it won't easily work unless you eliminate tax on all non-profit or charitable organizations. If that be the case, the by all means, do away with all. But doing it for one piece of the group that receives tax exemption?
It's not like we need more funding for NASA anyway. What, to discover a planet like Mars (uninhabitable) that seems to be like Earth (habitable) in a galaxy 10 light years away. We'll never get there anyway. It's awesome to dream about, and the sci-fi aspect is interesting, but unless they come up with an Orson Scott Card method of space travel, then those planets will become unreachable, and we spend time and money studying something for the pure joy and interest of it. It is interesting, and fun ... like driving around a Ferari. Although I wouldn't recommend anyone loaded down in debt to buy a Ferari. Would you?
The nearest galaxy is MILLIONS of light years away, not 10. The nearest STAR is 4 1/2 light years away, not feasible now but maybe in the future.
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The technique described in the article for finding planets doesn't make sense. Think about it – the diameter of Earth's orbit around the Sun is 186,000,000 miles. The diameter of the Sun is 865,000 miles – less than 1/2 of 1%. Unless you were looking at our solar system absolutely edge on, you'd never see Earth transit across the Sun – Earth would always be above or below it. Same would hold true for these other systems. So, what am I missing?
What are you missing ? The ability to think in 3 space.
You are missing the fact that Kepler is observing the light emitted by stars over the course of several months at a time. The location is almost irrelevant. If you put a light blub in a lamp, it doesnt matter what direction you look at it; as long as you have a view of lightbulb, the light will be just bright, no matter if you are under it, above it, or where-ever. However, to address the point you are referring to, Kepler is extremely limited. Kepler would only detect planets whose orbital paths transit the star in the direction Kepler is looking from. So orbital patterns and planetary mass do matter considerably. This is the extent of our current technology due to our society's expenditures on "defense" and fighting wars. We pour all of our money into defending a little slice of this rock, when we could be out colonizing space. We have unfortunately made discoveries which we will be unable to study until our species evolves much more. We know almost nothing about physics, and what goes on in deep space. Technology has to develop MUCH more, which wont happen for several hundred years.
Responding to your comment "Kepler would only detect planets whose orbital paths transit the star in the direction Kepler is looking from". That's exactly my point. With the simple math I did, the chances are about 1 in 200 that a planet about the same distance from it's star as Earth is from the Sun would ever transit across that star on a path visible from our direction. Not very good odds. I've also read of a technique used where the "wobble" of a star from planetary gravitation is measured, and the existence of planets can be deduced, but this appears to be different.
As for the other comments – from the perspective of Kepler, space is two dimensional unless you have a way to magically move Kepler several billion miles "above" or "below" it's current viewing plane. Please let us know how you managed to accomplish that.
It seems that the Earth's orbit does not always move in a completely planar orbit, is that correct ... anybody? Or is the orbit itself rotating as the Earth is in orbit? There must be some 3D movement so that the relative position of the planar orbit moves, therefor allowing a view from Earth with the sun and another planet with its star(s) ... so that we'd at some time see that other blip on the star? ??
Imagine yourself in a different position in 3D space (Up/down) and your problem is solved. You're imagining a 2D universe.
That is the point, we only see those disturbances on other suns when we do see the planets that are edge on from our view...All the others we miss and will not see in this kind of observation.
Which one is Kolob?
Zoom in. Whichever one has the giant magic underwear factory.
That made me smile...thanks
"We still don't know if Earth, as a planet that currently harbors life, is alone in the universe." WHAT ??? This is NOT CNN's Belief Blog ! Dumbest first line ever.
Huh? It's a pretty good assumption that we're not the only life in the universe, but until we find proof of it it's ok to say we don't know...
All we do 'know' is that Earth is the only habitable planet in the universe. That we know for sure ... because it's us (life) knowing it. The rest we guess, assume, theorize over, or conclude based on mathematical probability ... we've never seen any other life, so we don't 'know' it.
Your first statement is incorrect. All we know is the Earth is habitable. Start there. Saying "the only" means you've vetted all other possibilities.
could we possibly you know.. Start toward that planet made 100% of diamond? I bet the entire planet would be harvested in a year.
Good idea, only the value of diamonds would drop rather quickly 🙂
I would say, lets start one from scratch and keep Republicans and Demos out of it.
It would be best place to live. 🙂
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1. how many planets are looking back at us and wondering if we support life?
2. how the heck we gonna get there ?
3. Are we then going to screw that planet like we have our own. If we are, it's better we never get out of the solar system.
Can't we find just one to send Honey Boo-Boo to?
Don't forget her mother.
Her mother is a planet.
NASA couldn't afford to build a vehicle large enough to transport that family to anywhere, let alone the COST of the enormous amount of fuel it would take to get Momma 3 feet off of the ground!
This method would not seem to detect planets orbiting their respective stars in a different plane than one that blocks light visible to Kepler.
unless i'm misunderstanding the term, wouldn't the planet pass in front of the star regardless of it's plane? no matter the angle, it's going around the planet and will at some point cross in front of the star.
But it also has to pass between the star and Earth. With some math, we are able to only see ~1% of planets this way. There are still thousands we haven't even been able to see!
Draw a small circle on paper- that's the star. Now draw a larger circle around it- that's the orbit of the planet, and does not pass in front of the star.
In the Milky Way, a large percentage of stars orbit the center of the galaxy on a plane close to the one that our Sun is on. Also, for most planetary systems, it seems that they also orbit their star on the same plane. This is my assumption, which may be completely wrong.
Could some astronomer or someone with actual knowledge of this please correct me. Because, if correct, then it means that the technique used by Kepler would indeed detect a lot of planet crossings.
You don't need a professional astronomer to answer your question. Go outside tonight and look at the sky. You'll see that the Milky Way is not aligned with the ecliptic (or the 'zodiac'.) And there's no reason that our solar system would be on the same plane as the galaxy – the solar system formed billions of years after the formation of the galaxy. Kepler is looking at 150,000 stars – there are bound to be many planetary systems that are on close to the same plane as our solar system.
This technique measures light to discover planets, so an orbit not passing between Earth and the Star may make the planet 'invisible' but it can still be discovered by the other planet hunting technique, the amount the star itself wobbles due to the planets orbit. If the star has a planet that does not obscure light due to our position versus the planets, it could still be discovered by the stars wobble moving up and down. Kepler is not the only planer hunter.
II agree, that is why there will be a majority of planets we can never detect with this process. However, if we really want to find planets similar to our own, we can't detect the wobble in the star as Earth sized planets just don't tug enough on the star with their own gravitational pull to be detected.
Has Uranus ever been probed?
So we know that there are lots of Earth-sized planets in orbits that are in Mercury-sized orbits around Sum-like stars, and we know that there are lots of Neptune-sized planets that are in Earth-like orbits. It sounds like we need a next-generation probe to find Earth-sized planets in Earth-like orbits around Sun-like stars.
Let's do it.
Sid
Sorry about the typos above. I'm at work and was in a rush.
Sid
Can't do that. Social spending is more important, and policing the world and making America safe for corporate profits. We're too short sighted.
Remember, we're $16 TRILLION in debt. I really like all of this space science, but at some point you have to justify spending this money to build a probe that ultimately gathers knowledge for no other purpose than to gather knowledge.
NASA's budget is $18 billion, which is 0.48% of the federal budget. The cost of the latest aircraft carrier is $13.5 billion. It's amazing NASA can do so much with so little.
@ Chris. Couldn't have said it better!
We have. It's called the James Webb Space Telescope.
It is interesting to speculate what alien Kepler probes have deduced about our solar system.
That is a lot of global warming.
Gravity makes all the difference in the universe.
Astonishing, absolutely breathtaking, that astronomers can find planets thousands or even hundreds of thousands of light-years away. For all the stupid things people do, once in a while we do something brilliant, and this is an example.
"A planet with a diameter of two to three times that of Earth would generally resemble Uranus"...And a perfect place to ship all the Republicans. They'd BELONG there.
Cap'n: What a disappointing comment.
AGREE!! Including the bunch of retarded of the TEA PARTY!! Now Cantor and Boehner are fighting because both wants to drive the Spaceship!! LOLOLOLOLOL
Earth will become the ghetto of the Universe.
What's to say it already isn't?
aren't we already?
I like how these articles present what we see as in the here and now... the light reaching us from these stars is millions of years old. A planet that we "see" today may have been sucked into its sun long, long ago.
You're correct that the light from the observed stars has traveled a long time to reach Kepler's telescope, but the light is unlikely millions of years old. The Kepler mission is looking at a region of our own Milky Way galaxy; even if the light came from the farthest reaches of the galaxy, it would only be 120,000 years old. I'd have to double-check with the experts, but I believe most of Kepler's targets are much closer than that.
Indeed. Most of the stars in Cygnus are within 5000 ly. Some are less than 100 ly away. Joe's comment reflects a general ignorance of basic science. Not understanding the relative distances to stars within our local area, local clusters, milkey way and outside galaxies is one error. The other is that stars do not "suck" planets into themselves. After completing fusion burninig on the main sequence - usually many millions to billions of years, stars may expand to consume their planets, as our sun is likely to do to Earth several billions of sears from now.
LOL, Zing!
No Joe, the light from a star 10 light years away reaches us in 10 years...We are looking at stars in our own galaxy, the Milky Way, not stars in other galaxies...The Milky Way is only 100,000 light years in diameter. It's only the other galaxies that are millions of light yeas away.
If god would quit working on all these new planets, THIS one might be a better place.
That was good one 🙂 True for man as well. We cannot handle one earth what will we do of these other planets.
Leave this one behind for all those that can't seem stop fighting and bickering, and start fresh somewhere new, where there may still be some peace and quiet. And now we know why extraterrestrials have not made contact with us.....
we have this one and WE have screwed it up with over population, bad developement and numerous other sins. Maybe "god" just said the hell with us and has left us to suffer our own just rewards for our stewardship.
Meanwhile on this side of the celestial "tracks"...